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Post# 9168   2/6/2007 at 10:23 (6,289 days old) by tuxedo2 ()        

I'm looking for a new cloth hose for my Electrolux XXX. About ten years ago, a local repair shop was able to fashion one for me using my original metal ends. No one seems to have the cloth any longer.

Any ideas? Thanks.

Post# 9207 , Reply# 1   2/6/2007 at 16:44 (6,288 days old) by crevicetool (GA )        
hoses

 I have an Idea that we are all looking for hoses. I wish I could offer some help, but was going to discuss-o-vac to ask this same question.

Post# 9211 , Reply# 2   2/6/2007 at 16:53 (6,288 days old) by vacjwt ()        

ME TO

Post# 9227 , Reply# 3   2/6/2007 at 18:25 (6,288 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Woven Hoses

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Until very recently, you could buy woven saran hoses for Electrolux from Essco and Hesco. I just checked, and they must have stopped manufacturing replacement woven hoses, because on both sites they are listed as NLA (no longer available.) I wish I would have had some warning because I would have stocked up on them. They were not original but pretty nice nonetheless. Hesco had tan and aqua. Visitors to my collection have seen them and Tania went home with one.

Your best bet at this point is to scour older vacuum shops for old stock. We found an absolutely brand new original Electrolux replacement hose at the vacuum shop in Kewaskum (sp?) WI where I found the brand new Bison. That hose now graces my LX and sometimes my XXX. Here it is. Keep looking, they are out there, you just have to hunt a bit.

Post# 9233 , Reply# 4   2/6/2007 at 19:56 (6,288 days old) by vacjwt ()        
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 try ebay I got mine off thare and it was very nice

Post# 9234 , Reply# 5   2/6/2007 at 20:01 (6,288 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Here Are A Couple of The Replacement Hoses

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One with the pistol grip and one with the regular grip. Got these from Hesco. Glad I got these. They are saran (some form of plastic or nylon.) I am sure you can find some of these in a vac shop if you go looking.

Post# 9240 , Reply# 6   2/6/2007 at 20:17 (6,288 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
Saran

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I went to Wikpedia to look up "Saran" and got this definition:

Saran (plastic)
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Saran is the trade name for a number of polymers made from vinylidene chloride (especially polyvinylidene chloride or PVDC), along with other monomers. The main advantage of Saran foil is a very low water vapor, flavor and aroma molecules, and oxygen permeability compared to other plastics. The barrier to oxygen prevents food spoilage, and the barrier to flavor and aroma molecules helps food retain its flavor and aroma.

In some jurisdictions, the name Saran is a registered trademark of the Dow Chemical Company, while in others, it has lost trademark status and become a generic term for these polymers.

This makes me wonder about the materials that were used to make up Electrolux hoses. Tomorrow I will gather up all my original Lux hoses and lay them out. Methinks that the later hoses were made from saran or some similar material. I am sure that we can count on Charles Richard to help us out here. When I think things are getting dull around here, we come up with a new topic to discuss. This one will be interesting!

Fred

Post# 9243 , Reply# 7   2/6/2007 at 20:20 (6,288 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)        
That Hose On The LX

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That hose is cloth and absolutely original. A replacement hose, but cloth nonetheless. It still holds its suction and is as close to original as you can get. Cloth vs. Saran. Let's discuss!

Fred

Post# 9261 , Reply# 8   2/6/2007 at 22:52 (6,288 days old) by vegaslux60 ()        
Rare Electrolux hoses!

 I think we'd all die for "new" or replacement hoses for our classic luxes! I'm old enough to remember them in various vac shops, but never thought to "stock -up"..... just like we all regret not buying an "extra" metal-base Hoover Convertible to just have on hand!
If any of you ever find an abundance of these saran hoses, please be kind-hearted enough to share with us Electrolux collectors!
If we use any of our classic Luxes for daily cleaning, I have a great Vinyl hose with Lux ends that is about 10 feet long. Being vinyl and not leaking at all, really peps up the suction on our model LX !!
Kenny Lawrence

Post# 9269 , Reply# 9   2/7/2007 at 02:57 (6,288 days old) by charles~richard ()        
Cloth vs. Vinyl Lux Hoses

 The last Electrolux model to have a woven cloth hose was the Model E, introduced in 1954 as an economy model to the Model LX and sold until 1956 when the E-Automatic (or "Automatic E" depending on which Electrolux literature you're referring to!) came out. The AE was the first to have a woven vinyl hose, and as far as I know the same type of vinyl material was used up through the 1992 Epic. It certainly all feels and looks the same. The electric hose, introduced with the late 1205, feels heavier and stiffer but that's because of the embedded electrical wiring and an added layer of thick insulating rubber for safety.

When the Renaissance came out in 1993, it was the first machine with a plastic "coiled" type hose.

For more information see my Electrolux history site.

I have a very rare early test hose that is made of both materials -- it's the same color combination as the LX and E hose, but the gray background color is cloth while the blue "chevron" pattern is vinyl!

CLICK HERE TO GO TO charles~richard's LINK
Post# 9330 , Reply# 10   2/7/2007 at 15:56 (6,287 days old) by vacuumkid3 ()        

Also, Air-Way 88 Mk. II hoses are vinyl, I believe. If anyone ever sees a green-turquoise hose with white stripes, let me know! I want to get a new hose on some Air-Way ends! Makes it look and feel all original! And, it'd work better than a dry-rotted hose, too! :-)

~~K~~

Post# 9346 , Reply# 11   2/7/2007 at 18:36 (6,287 days old) by charles~richard ()        
Yes, the original Air-way 88 hose

 is woven vinyl. I have often wondered if there wasn't some central "hose manufacturing company" somewhere, since so many vacuum cleaner manufacturers used the same kind of hosing. However, I do know that at least Electrolux did manufacture their own hoses until at least the Model G and probably some time afterward.

Post# 286338 , Reply# 12   6/26/2014 at 21:12 (3,591 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

So, are the terms "saran" and "vinyl" used interchangeably?

Regarding when the woven vinyl hoses were discontinued, it seems to me it would have been when the Model 1521s were discontinued in 1994. Their white hose with blue chevron tracers appears to have been used for the mid to late Model 1521s: Grand Marquise, Legacy, Ultralux, Ultralux Classic, and Ultralux LX; along with the Ambassadors/Model 1676s (not the later Ambassador IIIs/C101s), Model 1515 (Regency Series 1500), the Model 2100s (not the ones that were named 2100 as part of the Model C141s), the Diplomat LX/Model 1677, the Model 1623s (typically sold via media sources), the Model 1625s (Advantage Series), and possibly the first Epics (Models 1718 and 1762). In fact, as I look at all the model ids, an easy way to tell which models originally would have had the plastic coiled hoses would be to check the model id. The new pattern of designating models, with a "C", three digits, and a letter, were introduced with the Renaissance (C104A); so it is likely that all canisters from that time have had the new-style hoses.

Now, does anyone know if said hoses have been made in different colors, or if just the couplings and handles have matched the canisters' bodies?

Also, have the uprights always had white plastic coiled hoses? I'm taking for granted that they are a different type of plastic, because they are non-electric hoses.

Post# 286342 , Reply# 13   6/26/2014 at 21:39 (3,591 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Kevin,

The uprights don't all have white coiled hoses and most are electric to power  a sidekick. The exceptions are the Discovery II, Special Edition and Limited Edition models which did come with a coiled white hose. Though even they had the power socket for an exterior attached cord to power a sidekick. The 4000 and 6000 had an optional white and electric hose in addition to the on board hose  My Epic 2500 has a gray electric hose, as did the 3500. I've seen sand colored electric upright hoses for the Genesis run and the last two models have had black electric hoses.

 

Tom
Post# 286343 , Reply# 14   6/26/2014 at 22:03 (3,591 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

Oh ok, Tom. I should have said "direct connect" instead of electric. Someone mentioned that the Sidekicks are for the uprights and the Sidekick IIs are for the canisters, so I was thinking pigtail v. direct connect.

Thanks for the information.

Post# 286360 , Reply# 15   6/27/2014 at 00:01 (3,591 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

Sidekicks aren't just for the uprights... they are also for the metal wand canisters sealed and the electric hoses for the 4000 and 6000 are direct connect not pigtail. Don't mean to be pedantic, but I guess I am embarassed
Post# 286415 , Reply# 16   6/27/2014 at 11:11 (3,591 days old) by kevin (Livonia)        

I appreciate all your information, Tom. As you can tell, I'm not as familiar with some of the terms, so your clarifications are helpful.

I also figured out that the Sidekicks are used with metal wands, and the Sidekick IIs and IIIs are used with electric wands.

Post# 286418 , Reply# 17   6/27/2014 at 11:20 (3,591 days old) by Gr8DaneDad ()        

I'm just having fun, no harm meant. Took me a long time to get the terminology right, and I screw up all the time.

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