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Thread Number: 45278
/ Tag: Pre-1950 Vacuum Cleaners
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| Post# 469011 , Reply# 1 1/27/2024 at 20:04 by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
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| Post# 469015 , Reply# 2 1/27/2024 at 20:46 by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
 Also keep in mind some sparking is normal with these old motors, so do not try to eliminate all the sparking entirely. They are all hand built and do not have the same tolerance as precision engineered motors today. The wires running through the handle was a way for them to negate wear and tear on the cloth cords from running against furniture or from hands, and to prevent shocks. Very innovative for the time period. Birtman did it on their Bee-Vac vacuums too. Just take your time and be delicate and you will get it. 👍 | ||
| Post# 469018 , Reply# 3 1/27/2024 at 20:54 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 469116 , Reply# 5 1/30/2024 at 19:08 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Have a bee vac junior that had oiler ports like your apex.
The spindle on the fan you put vice grips or pliers with a rag on the teeth to not hurt the fan. The spindle will come off but the fan stays attached. You need needle nose vice grips. The 2 oiler port location are floating bearings. You put the vice grips on the upper armature shaft so the armature won't spin. Then you spin off the fan off the spindle. Then once the fan is off there's going to be 2 screws holding the bearing plate in. Loosen the screws or bolts and the bearing plate will come off. Be careful to keep track of where the washers go when taking everything off. The 2 screws from the bearing plate hold in the coil usually and screw into right above where the carbon brush housing is. I'd leave the coil in. I'm guessing this is how yours comes apart as the 2 oiler ports are bearings and they float. This makes the fan removal different than any other vacuum I've disassembled. I sprayed degreaser and sprayed water into the housing after I took everything out. I let it air dry and that should make the motor housing clean as it can be. | ||
| Post# 469131 , Reply# 6 1/30/2024 at 21:44 by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
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This is not a Kirby or Bee Vac! This will break the hub of the cast, 1 piece fan! See the rear bushing, and the rotor in it? Tap the back of it with an ice pick. Or, pry it from the front vent holes with a screwdriver. Nothing is holding the bearing plate in except friction. The fan is almost impossible to remove without the armature removed from the unit. I got this information from an old VL thread about an Apex like this and it WORKS. The fan does not need to be removed in the way he did so - as you can see, nothing on the bearing plate. Hopefully my screenshot can be read, if not it is thread 8069. | ||
| Post# 469149 , Reply# 8 1/31/2024 at 19:23 by EvolutionClean1 (Nampa, Idaho) | ||
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She'll run Just fine. Internals of the motors were made out of softer metals back in the day, that's just wear from age. I'd be willing to bet the motors of most near antique machines probably look about the same | ||
| Post# 469150 , Reply# 9 1/31/2024 at 20:08 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 469167 , Reply# 11 2/1/2024 at 18:52 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 469189 , Reply# 13 2/2/2024 at 11:56 by Hoover300 (Kentucky) | ||
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| Post# 469201 , Reply# 14 2/3/2024 at 01:37 by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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| Post# 469209 , Reply# 15 2/3/2024 at 12:16 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 469214 , Reply# 16 2/3/2024 at 19:42 by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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| Post# 469220 , Reply# 17 2/3/2024 at 21:24 by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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I just tore apart 1926 beevac junior hand vacuum. I washed the inside with water. I use a sprayer in kitchen sink. I don't soak it in water it spray on use towel dry off. The electrical parts are taken off. It works never had trouble yet.
The beevac vacuum is back together and runs like a top. If there's cardboard or electrical I usually use a vacuum to clean it out. I plan out and only use water safely. | ||
| Post# 469345 , Reply# 18 2/7/2024 at 00:06 by Hornet (Canada) | ||
Ohiovacuums:I had a similar problem with an old fan motor , with wear in the same area, the magnetic bar plates are not lined up and are being struck by the armature , may have been dropped and the plates shifted a bit .
To fix this I took a 3” dowel laid it flat against the plates and tapped the dowel with a hammer until the plates were even again, then put a bit of lacquer on the plates to sink in and lock them in place, also you might want to check your bearings , one my be worn causing the armature to move enough to strike the plates. I did this to my old 1920’s table fan and it totally fixed the problem, hope this helps you out? | ||
| Post# 469697 , Reply# 20 2/19/2024 at 12:43 by Hornet (Canada) | ||
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Hi OhioVacuumes, I looked at your bushing for the armature and looks almost out of round , try to nickel plate and see if that helps first, if problem remains , look for another bushing that fits your armature nice and then drill out seat in housing to accept new bushing you may need to do some custom work to do this or maybe replace with a sealed bearing small enough to fit, it is one of those things that you may need to play around with to make work or you could try to drill it out to accept a bronze sleeve?
With the stripped threads I would put a small copper wire in the female thread and bend the wire over edge so not to fall in ,then screw in your screw, I have tried JB weld for this before with negative results, JB weld gets brittle when applied in such a thin coat and turns to dust when screwing back in, also there is a chance your screw may get locked in, you could also try a( medium ) Automotive locktite on the screw so if you ever need to take apart again it will come out. You could also use a little bit bigger screw and tap out the female end to fit. Hope some of these ideas help you out with your restoration. Could you post some pics of your brushes so I get a better idea on what you mean with the soldering. | ||
| Post# 469804 , Reply# 22 2/24/2024 at 12:38 by Hornet (Canada) | ||
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OhioVacuums
I see now what you are talking about with the brush holder, try removing the screws and put some penetrating oil in the holes and give some heat to the metal and with a dowel of same size tap them out, see if that will remove them, if not prewire before installing motor to give you some extra space to connect the wires together, make sure to solder them and shrink tube them. Use wires that can handle heat.
Hope this helps you. | ||
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