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Post# 465996   9/9/2023 at 13:27 by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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Hello, Iím looking for a little more information about this machine. Iím trying to see if anyone can date this machine or iknows how to date these machines please let me know. I believe this is a 12 inch machine I really canít tell

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Post# 465997 , Reply# 1   9/9/2023 at 18:47 by funeraldirector (Boston)        


I had one just like it and it about 2000 or so.


Post# 466005 , Reply# 2   9/10/2023 at 07:06 by Centralvacs1928 (Chicagoland)        

These are what the schools I attended all used.

I remember in elementary school (mid 1990s) the "old" ones had a tapered motor housing that only met the nozzle at the neck. The hose had a curved end too. The "newer" ones looked just like yours.

By junior high (late 90s-early 00s) the newest Versamatics had a larger diameter power switch button. The size of a quarter. Yours has the older style button about the size of a dime. As I recall they were identical otherwise.

It doesn't appear that the serial number contains a date code, so my best guess based on this is mid 90s.


Post# 466008 , Reply# 3   9/10/2023 at 11:27 by JustJunque (Western MA)        

Not exactly pinpointing it, but; doesn't the "Made in West Germany" date it to some time before the wall came down?

Post# 466020 , Reply# 4   9/10/2023 at 20:00 by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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The West Germany is telling me maybe 83. Because I feel thatís how there serial numbers are Iím not positive but that is my guess

Post# 466076 , Reply# 5   9/11/2023 at 18:41 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
I donít believe that this is the one from the late 1970ís

The very first Versamatics didnít have a carpet height adjustment and yours does.

Post# 466093 , Reply# 6   9/12/2023 at 08:27 by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

My vote also goes to 1980s. I would have guessed later than '83, but that serial number has me wondering.

The ones that Owen described above, with the different housing design - were those the ones that didn't have a carpet height adjustment, or were there three? (That description sounds more like a Vorwerk or Lindhaus to me, but I'll trust his account - there are lots of weird designs out there)

If there were three, then 1983 is probably too early, unless the new housing but without height adjustment was very short-lived. But "West Germany" puts it firmly pre-1990, unless some units still shipped from unified Germany marked thus.

Post# 466094 , Reply# 7   9/12/2023 at 09:04 by Bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL))        

I was a housekeeping manager at a health care facility that used these machines in the 1980s. This version was introduced in 1986 or '87. Earlier models didn't have the light panel on the base, and were supported only by a center tube -- much like today's Sebo Felix without the swivel feature.

Post# 466098 , Reply# 8   9/12/2023 at 10:21 by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        

Either the top the cord should have a clock date stamp on it or on the inside of the bag door should tell you the year.

Post# 466100 , Reply# 9   9/12/2023 at 11:16 by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        
This was made in Novemeber of 2015.

11 represents November and 15 represents 2015.

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Post# 466116 , Reply# 10   9/12/2023 at 16:09 by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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I have checked inside the bag door and the housing, and didnít see a date wheel and my machine has an aftermarket metal plug on it as well

Post# 466117 , Reply# 11   9/12/2023 at 17:22 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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The older Versamatics don't have date codes on them. But I'd say it's from the 80s as well.

Post# 466118 , Reply# 12   9/12/2023 at 18:26 by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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I was thinking 83 because that is the start of the serial number, Iím more used to dating Eureka and Eureka style machines, and Iím also very confused as well

Post# 466130 , Reply# 13   9/13/2023 at 07:25 by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        
if its a 1983 model

It would be the Sebo 350 body style. This is the Sebo 360 model which indicates the late 80s early 90s.

Post# 466131 , Reply# 14   9/13/2023 at 08:20 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Split hairs all you want, itís still a great vacuumÖ

Itís definitely worth hanging onto, especially since itís a Sebo built Windsor and not a Karcher built Windsor. Since Windsor Industries became part of Karcher Group, shop owners and vacuum users alike have been unhappy with the build quality of the newest Karcher/Windsor Sensor models. Theyíre made with differently shaped body components to create machines that are more distinct from Seboís and apparently there are some weak spots where the plastic used to be thicker.

Iíd be interested to see if thereís an Ametek motor retrofit for the suction unit in this machine, because I always thought the suction needed improvement. Either way, itís truly a worthy, time-tested design.

Post# 466150 , Reply# 15   9/13/2023 at 16:16 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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The newer Sensors and the rest of the uprights are still made by Sebo. Karcher just buys from the manufacturers for Windsor, like Panasonic making the Kenmores for Sears. I don't know about the Sensors models but I really do like the newer Versamatics they're selling today. They've upgraded the filtration and they went back to using Ametek Lamb motors, they were using Domel before which are excellent motors but they're not as efficient. If I can this weekend, I'll show you what it looks and sounds like.

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