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Post# 465996   9/9/2023 at 13:27 (259 days old) by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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Hello, Iím looking for a little more information about this machine. Iím trying to see if anyone can date this machine or iknows how to date these machines please let me know. I believe this is a 12 inch machine I really canít tell

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Post# 465997 , Reply# 1   9/9/2023 at 18:47 (259 days old) by funeraldirector (Boston)        
Versamatic

Hi,

I had one just like it and it about 2000 or so.


Brian



Post# 466005 , Reply# 2   9/10/2023 at 07:06 (259 days old) by Centralvacs1928 (Chicagoland)        

These are what the schools I attended all used.

I remember in elementary school (mid 1990s) the "old" ones had a tapered motor housing that only met the nozzle at the neck. The hose had a curved end too. The "newer" ones looked just like yours.

By junior high (late 90s-early 00s) the newest Versamatics had a larger diameter power switch button. The size of a quarter. Yours has the older style button about the size of a dime. As I recall they were identical otherwise.

It doesn't appear that the serial number contains a date code, so my best guess based on this is mid 90s.

Owen


Post# 466008 , Reply# 3   9/10/2023 at 11:27 (259 days old) by JustJunque (Western MA)        

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Not exactly pinpointing it, but; doesn't the "Made in West Germany" date it to some time before the wall came down?

Post# 466020 , Reply# 4   9/10/2023 at 20:00 (258 days old) by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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The West Germany is telling me maybe 83. Because I feel thatís how there serial numbers are Iím not positive but that is my guess

Post# 466076 , Reply# 5   9/11/2023 at 18:41 (257 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
I donít believe that this is the one from the late 1970ís

The very first Versamatics didnít have a carpet height adjustment and yours does.

Post# 466093 , Reply# 6   9/12/2023 at 08:27 (257 days old) by jade_angel (Fort Collins, CO)        

My vote also goes to 1980s. I would have guessed later than '83, but that serial number has me wondering.

The ones that Owen described above, with the different housing design - were those the ones that didn't have a carpet height adjustment, or were there three? (That description sounds more like a Vorwerk or Lindhaus to me, but I'll trust his account - there are lots of weird designs out there)

If there were three, then 1983 is probably too early, unless the new housing but without height adjustment was very short-lived. But "West Germany" puts it firmly pre-1990, unless some units still shipped from unified Germany marked thus.


Post# 466094 , Reply# 7   9/12/2023 at 09:04 (257 days old) by Bisonian (Where the buffalo roamed! (Ocala, FL))        

I was a housekeeping manager at a health care facility that used these machines in the 1980s. This version was introduced in 1986 or '87. Earlier models didn't have the light panel on the base, and were supported only by a center tube -- much like today's Sebo Felix without the swivel feature.

Post# 466098 , Reply# 8   9/12/2023 at 10:21 (257 days old) by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        
So.

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Either the top the cord should have a clock date stamp on it or on the inside of the bag door should tell you the year.

Post# 466100 , Reply# 9   9/12/2023 at 11:16 (257 days old) by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        
This was made in Novemeber of 2015.

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11 represents November and 15 represents 2015.

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Post# 466116 , Reply# 10   9/12/2023 at 16:09 (256 days old) by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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I have checked inside the bag door and the housing, and didnít see a date wheel and my machine has an aftermarket metal plug on it as well

Post# 466117 , Reply# 11   9/12/2023 at 17:22 (256 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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The older Versamatics don't have date codes on them. But I'd say it's from the 80s as well.

Post# 466118 , Reply# 12   9/12/2023 at 18:26 (256 days old) by spencersvacs92 (Wheatland, California)        

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I was thinking 83 because that is the start of the serial number, Iím more used to dating Eureka and Eureka style machines, and Iím also very confused as well

Post# 466130 , Reply# 13   9/13/2023 at 07:25 (256 days old) by OldCrankman (Lawrenceburg, Indiana)        
if its a 1983 model

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It would be the Sebo 350 body style. This is the Sebo 360 model which indicates the late 80s early 90s.

Post# 466131 , Reply# 14   9/13/2023 at 08:20 (256 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Split hairs all you want, itís still a great vacuumÖ

Itís definitely worth hanging onto, especially since itís a Sebo built Windsor and not a Karcher built Windsor. Since Windsor Industries became part of Karcher Group, shop owners and vacuum users alike have been unhappy with the build quality of the newest Karcher/Windsor Sensor models. Theyíre made with differently shaped body components to create machines that are more distinct from Seboís and apparently there are some weak spots where the plastic used to be thicker.

Iíd be interested to see if thereís an Ametek motor retrofit for the suction unit in this machine, because I always thought the suction needed improvement. Either way, itís truly a worthy, time-tested design.


Post# 466150 , Reply# 15   9/13/2023 at 16:16 (255 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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The newer Sensors and the rest of the uprights are still made by Sebo. Karcher just buys from the manufacturers for Windsor, like Panasonic making the Kenmores for Sears. I don't know about the Sensors models but I really do like the newer Versamatics they're selling today. They've upgraded the filtration and they went back to using Ametek Lamb motors, they were using Domel before which are excellent motors but they're not as efficient. If I can this weekend, I'll show you what it looks and sounds like.

Post# 471289 , Reply# 16   5/16/2024 at 23:59 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
As promised

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I just had some new Versamatics ordered and thought I'd do a side-by-side comparison between those and the older models. They're fantastic! I'm still trying to convince SEBO to import over the residential version of the 14" variant called the BS 360 since the 370 Comfort is gone now.






Post# 471336 , Reply# 17   5/19/2024 at 08:31 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Hm

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What is the difference between the versamatic and the BS360? Is it just another case of 2 wire cord vs 3 wire cord? I think in today's age a 2 motor system without a brushroll shutoff is outdated for residential usage. Unless they've changed that with their recent generation but to my knowledge the 370 lacked that feature.

It is a shame they dicontinued the plus. That's our primary work vacuum but with them being discontinued we're going to the versamatic. I think the bag change system on the plus was much easier to deal with, and while the after filter on the versamatic is a nice touch I've already seen a few people running machines with very clogged hepa filters because they don't realize they are there. The curved wand setup also takes getting used to. While the plus's was shorter it was easier to get out and back into the slot. the one big upside to the change though is the cost of repairs for when the support arm inevitably breaks through the motor housing (due to abuse) should be lower as well as consume less repair time.


Post# 471357 , Reply# 18   5/20/2024 at 12:21 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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From my understanding the BS 360 is supposedly the same (video down below). To be quite honest, I don't believe these need a switch to turn the brushroll off. Mainly because these would be been terrible for hardfloors. Especially with the brushroll spinning. Instead you can just fit a extension hose with a extension wand and barefloor tool, it would do a much better job. I definitely agree with you on the 370 about the bag change, though I don't really mind changing the bags out on the 360 since I've done that multiple times on the Versamatics. I'm sure there are people using the Plus models today with clogged filters as well, but I like that they can be washable. I also like they had a carrying handle on the back. And I like that it had more attachments stored on-board. That building where I filmed the Versamatics at previously had a Plus, one of them got replaced by a Versamatic. It definitely was a really nice machine. Wished SEBO still made them but I can see why they gave that one up.






Post# 471359 , Reply# 19   5/20/2024 at 13:05 by Blackheart (North Dakota)        

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But having to use a separate hard floor tool is not something the general user wants. The felix/dart and the auto height models can be used on hard floors and if memory serves they were also cheaper in price vs the 370. I just don't see the need for that model in a residential setting when it it lacks that convenience and the brushroll design isn't as efficient.
As for the filters the pluses don't have any hepa filter it's a loosely woven pre motor filter and a block of foam neither under normal use will get as clogged up as a hepa filter.


Post# 471360 , Reply# 20   5/20/2024 at 14:24 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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You're right that some of their uprights are designed for hard floors, however not everyone would want to use a bulky nozzle to maneuver around table or chairs on bare floors. I bet consumers with Kirbys for example would agree since I imagine they'd rather use the hose with a bare floor tool instead of using the carpet nozzle with the belt off. Myself included. Even though the Felix comes with a really nice Parquet Brush, I know the Felix wouldn't reach underneath everything versus a wand where it's much more slimmer. That's one of the reasons why in today's world I'd recommend a consumer to look into either a canister or a central vac instead. Just like Kirby if demonstrated at a dealer and shown in the manual of how to properly use the BS 360 on barefloors, I think it'd be just fine for consumers. As for the brushroll, yes it isn't the most powerful brushroll I've seen but I still like it even on thicker pile carpeting (honestly I think thicker pile carpeting is a huge waste). It's cheaper to replace the strip, less hair would get tangled up in the brushroll, and perfect for commercial pile carpeting since I've seen consumers buy residential vacuums for commercial use even the more expensive models. For example my university bought a Simplicity S20UP for one of their departments. So if there isn't a nearby Karcher/Windsor dealer to purchase a Versamatic for commercial use but there is a SEBO dealer nearby, the BS 360 would be excellent for that. The Plus I used before did had stuff that made it past through the motor and I remember that the exhaust filter was deteriorating from what I'm assuming the hot air blowing out. I don't think I've seen the other Versamatics with exhaust filters that tore apart before. Clogged yes but still in tact. I guess we'll just see how the filters on the newer Versamatics turn out but so far I really like them. To each their own but the BS 360 would be my new favorite SEBO if we ever got them here even if it's only for limited time. I'd definitely buy one over any of their other uprights even if it's more expensive like the Versamatics cause I just really enjoy them. At least we do have their mechanical models but I dislike having the power switch on the bottom and not shutting the brushroll off for using the hose. Anyways, that's my take.

Post# 471361 , Reply# 21   5/20/2024 at 14:36 by EvolutionClean1 (Nampa, Idaho)        
I had a Versamatic!

I got it on a rebuild from the local vacuum shop, I think it may have been from the '90s or 2000s. It was super quiet, seemed to perform very well, but it was like pushing a bookshelf most days 😂 very heavy and worked best being pushed in a straight line. The brush motor was robust, suction was fair, and it seemed like it had enough air flow to do the job. My biggest complaint was the fact that HEPA bags were not available. All together it did well, but I ended up selling it and switched to a '90s Sharp Twin Energy commercial.
I would however like to try one of the newer models to see if they have boosted the suction!

If there's one thing I've learned with the cleaning business, my preferences change from time to time and I like to try a variety of machines out. Each one will do something a little bit different or better than the other, any vacuum will have its advantages and drawbacks. Anyway, hope I didn't hijack, but here's a picture of the Versamatic I had 😆


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Post# 471366 , Reply# 22   5/20/2024 at 16:32 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
Nice Versamatic you had there!

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Those older blue versions were my personal favorite, not a huge fan of the newer colors today but I can see why they changed them. Yours likely had one of the older Ametek Lamb motors in it. If so, then you'd definitely notice the difference in hose performance. Actually it's pretty similar to your red SEBO X4 that's sitting next to it.


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