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Thread Number: 44103
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Nationwide gas stove ban? |
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| Post# 459276 1/9/2023 at 16:42 (472 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
I saw this earlier today. So far it's just a report or a rumor but I wouldn't be surprised if it actually does happen very soon.
nypost.com/2023/01/09/biden-admi... | ||
| Post# 459286 , Reply# 1 1/10/2023 at 01:56 (472 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
If this happens people will riot the capitol again guaranteed. A lot more BS. The same as them trying to ban dairy farming due to cow gas.
"The studies also linked gas stoves to respiratory illness, cardiovascular problems, cancer and other health conditions." But god forbid you ban drugs, cigarettes, and alcohol right? They are grasping at straws trying to control the population because the "cars cause pollution" gimmick did not work. | ||
| Post# 459287 , Reply# 2 1/10/2023 at 02:55 (472 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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Found a report that debunks this "law"
www.energyindepth.org/rep... "according to the report’s findings, residents would be forced to give up their access to affordable cooking fuel, because of a scientific shortcut that assumes residential cooking “using both stove and oven, without venting, would take place in a residence for 2-hours every single day for 365 days per year," | ||
Post# 459295 , Reply# 3 1/10/2023 at 09:01 (472 days old) by kloveland  (Tulsa) |
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Post# 459296 , Reply# 4 1/10/2023 at 09:10 (472 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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And electric does not pollute? What the!!! I can't see this happening my whole house is gas, water heater, furnace, dryer, stove and oven. We have plenty of gas in OK. Will the Biden Administration replace my gas appliances? A gas oven and gas log inserts are very nice to have during a power outage. Our current Admin is so far removed from reality, it's not funny! I'm sorry but that is the way I feel. | ||
| Post# 459297 , Reply# 5 1/10/2023 at 10:33 (471 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
I cook every day on my five-burner industrial GAS stove. You couldn't give me an electric stove. The worst are those flat top ones. My husband's parents have one and I HATE cooking at their home. My cast iron pans are too heavy for the glass top and I cook way too much like a chef, shaking the pan and tipping it when spooning butter over a sizzling steak. They will never really ban gas appliances in the US.
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Post# 459299 , Reply# 6 1/10/2023 at 11:14 (471 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Kenny, | ||
| Post# 459300 , Reply# 7 1/10/2023 at 12:25 (471 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
I have a gas furnace, gas logs, and a gas grill, all connected to natural gas and not propane; however I do have an electric, glass top stove and an electric dryer. As a college professor who teaches critical thinking, the idea of banning gas stoves, and the furor it appears to be creating seems to be based on the logical fallacy of predicting the most dire outcome as the only (il)logical conclusion when other more reasonable possibilities also exist. Realistically, the most likely scenario would be to implement improved ventilation standards for new installations. I have little doubt that existing stoves would be grandfathered in.
After all, when the government began mandating emission controls (unleaded gas, catalytic converters, etc.) for cars in the mid '70s, they didn't ban earlier model cars that were not thus equipped, nor did they even require them to be retrofitted; in fact, the law accommodated those vehicles by allowing the availability of leaded gasoline to continue for another 15 years or so, until the majority of those cars were no longer on the road. | ||
| Post# 459302 , Reply# 9 1/10/2023 at 12:55 (471 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I totally agree about the range hoods. Building codes should require them to be vented to the outside. My house has one of those that blows back in your face. I never turn the thing on, since it does absolutely nothing but make noise. The really irksome part is that it originally had a vented one and a previous owner got rid of it when they remodeled sometime in the '80s. Looking at the roof, it appears the vent duct is still present and intact, and I can see where the hole in the kitchen ceiling was patched over when they redid the cabinets. I've been in that house almost nine years, but one of these days, I'm going to get someone to come in and reconnect the vent. It would most likely be worth the expense and the loss of a certain amount of cabinet space.
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Post# 459304 , Reply# 11 1/10/2023 at 13:37 (471 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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my rangehood vent goes outside | ||
| Post# 459309 , Reply# 12 1/10/2023 at 14:14 (471 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX) | ||
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What kind of vent do you have? It smells great outside And there is the only reason I dislike outdoor vents.. I seem to only smell good stuff cooking when I am starved and away from home at the time... | ||
| Post# 459311 , Reply# 13 1/10/2023 at 17:19 (471 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah) | ||
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Right back at ya John that they will indeed still work whenever there's a power outage. That's why my grandmother wanted a gas stove in the first place because the small little town they were living at in Utah, the power goes out a ton especially during the winter. Unfortunately for my other grandparents, theirs's has always been electric. At least from when I had been around since they might've had a gas stove at one point. So they have an electric stove at not only their house but also at their log cabin as well. During Thanksgiving, we tried to clean their stove out at the cabin. I don't think it had ever been deep cleaned before when it was put in back in 2004. But boy we tried scrubbing all we could out of that stove with baking soda and most just wouldn't come off.
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Post# 459329 , Reply# 14 1/11/2023 at 11:30 (470 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA) |
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This is just more propaganda to make this administration look bad.
There are no way gas cooking appliances will be a thing of the past. However, often times during power outages and storms many folks either die or become ill from the carbon dioxide produced from using the gas stove as a heat source without proper ventilation. I think since being on this forum this subject has come up many times. It also comes up on Automatic Washer. There are so many false reports and lies out there it is unbelievable. Electric is always a cleaner source of energy and now with wind power and solar it truly is cleaner. Personally, right now I don't have a gas stove but do have a gas dryer, two furnaces and a water heater that is gas. when I first moved to Dubuque, I was sad to see that there was not a gas hookup for a stove. We have been cooking on a smooth top electric for the past 18 years and I love it. The world needs to wake up and become more energy efficient getting away from fossil fuels that are destroying our planet. Wind energy, solar and water can help cut down on the use of fossil fuels immensely. I am waiting for the day when wind turbines can be purchased more affordably so I can run our home on the energy produced by the wind. | ||
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Post# 459333 , Reply# 15 1/11/2023 at 13:06 (470 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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We always had a gas stove here | ||
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Post# 459357 , Reply# 16 1/11/2023 at 21:55 (470 days old) by electrolux137 (Los Angeles) |
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"Our current Admin is so far removed from reality..." | ||
| Post# 459360 , Reply# 17 1/12/2023 at 06:06 (470 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
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This actually came from the university of Berkeley in California, which was then dug up by the USCPSC and had nothing to do with the president, until some lawmakers started pushing it along with the USCPSC gaslighting (haha pun) the white house.
I think it stems from the recent bill that Biden passed, buried in it somewhere is laws for regulating industrial energy consumption and i think something with gas stoves and restraunts were mentioned in the gist of fossil fuels and air pollution. I think all it means is gas stoves will be built to regulations (read: make them weaker) on the same level as HE washers and low flow toilets that take about 3 hours to accomplish your task. | ||
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Post# 459368 , Reply# 18 1/12/2023 at 11:23 (469 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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Miscellanea | ||
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Post# 459369 , Reply# 19 1/12/2023 at 12:05 (469 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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Well, I | ||
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Post# 459376 , Reply# 20 1/12/2023 at 13:34 (469 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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Yes, you were | ||
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Post# 459451 , Reply# 21 1/14/2023 at 08:54 (468 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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California plans to outlaw gas heaters. | ||
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Post# 459452 , Reply# 22 1/14/2023 at 09:24 (468 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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There are consequences for clean energy.
Dead whales are washing up on our shores, is this a sign of what they call progress?
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Post# 459462 , Reply# 23 1/14/2023 at 12:18 (467 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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CNN helps to push the "propaganda."
Telling the truth seems to get you in trouble at CNN. Let the "propaganda" continue.
Jim CLICK HERE TO GO TO VacMadMan's LINK | ||
| Post# 459556 , Reply# 24 1/18/2023 at 15:55 (463 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Post# 459588 , Reply# 25 1/19/2023 at 15:20 (462 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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There will always be gas. | ||
| Post# 459615 , Reply# 26 1/20/2023 at 09:43 (461 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I woke up to an an interesting piece on NPR this morning about this controversy, examining the relative effectiveness of the left's and and the right's rhetoric. the right is basically owning the debate with a personal and alarmist (if somewhat overstated) message—'they're coming for your gas stove', while the left's message, based on a long-known issue of indoor air quality, with long-standing guidance to always run the exhaust (one that vents to the outside and not back in your face) when using a gas stove, combined with environmentalists' general push against gas because it contributes to climate change, is failing too broad to gain much traction because it lacks a component of individual impact. The piece went on to say that an outright ban is very unlikely and has only been expressed as a possibility that some officials are open to examining. There is no legislation or executive order pending.
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| Post# 459652 , Reply# 27 1/21/2023 at 10:34 (460 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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NPR piece on gas stoves
Here's a link to the NPR piece I was referring to above. It really puts things into perspective. Again, relax. Nobody's coming for your gas stove...or gas logs...or gas grill...or gas water heater...or gas dryer....
CLICK HERE TO GO TO human's LINK | ||
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Post# 459664 , Reply# 28 1/22/2023 at 11:09 (459 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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Time will tell
"It's always good to know where someone sits before you ask them where they stand."
. This is one man's point of view who is a leftist and globalist. How many times have we heard them say "there is nothing to see here" or "there's no there there"? only to find out the opposite....Time will tell stay tuned. Side note: "Brady approaches stories from the consumer point-of-view to make clear how climate and energy policy-making affects individual lives. He has reported on gas utilities facing an uncertain future in a world more concerned about climate change, the long saga over the Keystone XL oil pipeline, the closing of a light bulb factory in Pennsylvania and how gas ranges pollute homes and (make climate change worse"). It's all about climate change this is not going away it's just been swept under the rug for now. Also back in the 70's they told us we were headed for the next ice age how quickly we forget... Side note #2: Someone needs to tell Al Gore water boils at 212 deg F. If you add 5 teaspoons of salt to 1.3 gallons of water (5 liters of water), it will boil at 100.4 deg C. I don't remember ever seeing our oceans "boiling" but that's just me. Jim This post was last edited 01/22/2023 at 12:49 | ||
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Post# 459687 , Reply# 29 1/23/2023 at 10:20 (458 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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"The debate is settled"
"There's always two sides to every story, and then there is the truth"...."follow the money"
Jim CLICK HERE TO GO TO VacMadMan's LINK | ||
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Post# 459688 , Reply# 30 1/23/2023 at 11:06 (458 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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Teach the kids?? | ||
| Post# 459768 , Reply# 33 1/26/2023 at 09:00 (456 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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texaskirbyguy wrote: These units will obsolete themselves quickly as control boards will be discontinued prematurely.
I reply: This is why I refer to control boards as self-destruct devices. They're designed to fail, shortly after the warranty expires. The rapid discontinuation of specific control board models is done to ensure most consumers will simply give up and replace the appliance, which is more profitable to the manufacturer. They want us to forget that major household appliances once fell into a category known as 'durable goods'. I was faced with this a few years ago when the control board on my Lady Kenmore electric range went out. My home warranty company gave me the option of cashing me out for about $325 or having the board rebuilt. I chose the latter. When the technician came to install it, he said it should be good for at least another 25 years, based on the age of the stove. | ||
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Post# 459839 , Reply# 35 1/29/2023 at 08:27 (453 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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'We're saving the planet"
They're going to save the planet and hurt the poorest people among us in the process.
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Post# 460025 , Reply# 36 2/3/2023 at 11:54 (447 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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WH walks back possible stove ban after outrage
Oct 25th, 2022, NPR memo: NPR proposing ban on gas stoves (indoor air quality)
"The need for gas stove regulation has reached a boiling point...There is sufficient information available for CPSP to issue an NPR in FY 2023 proposing to ban gas stoves in homes." Richard Trumka JR. Consumer product safety Commission (CPSC) Oct 25,2022 So Onces again they tell us there is "nothing to see here" and then there is the truth. Let's boil this down. They do want to come after our gas stoves according to this memo. "it has reached a boiling point" So they sent out a test balloon and it blew up in their faces so now they claim that they really didn't mean it and this is all "right wing hype." "This is not going away it's just been swept under the rug for now." "it's not what the liberal media tells you, it's what they don't tell you that you need to know about." Jim | ||
| Post# 460058 , Reply# 37 2/4/2023 at 19:31 (446 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
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I'm not following you here. NPR (National Public Radio) is not proposing a ban on gas stoves, nor do they have the authority to do so. They just report the news. According to the article linked below, one commissioner on the Consumer Product Safety Commission—just one—is "open to the possibility of a nationwide ban". It's not even to the point of being proposed and thus it's nowhere near a done deal, nor is it likely to ever be one.
Read the article. It points out that a more efficient, less polluting gas burner technology has existed for quite some time, but up until now, it has failed to gain traction in the marketplace. Perhaps its time has finally come. The article also reiterates the long-standing guidance to use an exhaust van, vented to the outside, whenever a gas stove is in use. Realistically, a nationwide ban on gas stoves is simply not feasible. The far more likely possibility is that requirements for improved technology on new stoves will be implemented and the older types will gradually be retrofitted or replaced as they wear out or consumers decide to upgrade on their own. I'm old enough to remember the mid '70s when catalytic converters were first required on cars. They didn't immediately ban older cars that burned leaded fuel; in fact, they kept selling leaded fuel for another 15 years or so, until the majority of pre-emissions cars aged out as a natural progression. CLICK HERE TO GO TO human's LINK | ||
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Post# 460063 , Reply# 38 2/5/2023 at 10:48 (445 days old) by VacMadMan (Pueblo Co.) |
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Here is another article on the subject. I don't know what NPR is here.
"On January 9, 2023, Bloomberg published an article titled, US safety agency to consider ban on gas stoves amid heath fears; in which consumer product safety commissioner (CPSC) commissioner Richard Trumka Jr. claimed that gas stoves are a hidden hazard...Any option is on the table. Products that can't be made safe can be banned; A ban was presaged on October 25, 2022 When Commissioner Trumka sought to initiate a notice of proposed rulemaking at the CPSC to ban gas stoves in homes. In both Bloomberg article and a memorandum authored by Commissioner Trumka, titled 'NPR proposing Ban on gas stoves (indoor air quality); two studies were cited that attributed gas stoves to high levels of nitrous oxide as well as childhood asthma." Side note: All I'm showing here is that this was talked about this is an issue despite those who say again "there is nothing to see here" "they are not coming for your stoves". Whether it is feasible or not, it is an issue being considered. CLICK HERE TO GO TO VacMadMan's LINK This post was last edited 02/05/2023 at 12:13 | ||
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Post# 460180 , Reply# 39 2/9/2023 at 10:46 (441 days old) by a007kirbyman (--->> Originally My Mom <<--- (now Wisconsin)) |
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NPR... | ||
| Post# 460224 , Reply# 40 2/11/2023 at 23:42 (439 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Hmm
I'm glad we have electricity to help ignite the gases we use. I'm for ventilation systems. Water softeners help extend water heaters life from 10 years to 25 to 30 years. It also extend the life of anything using water.
I like throwing wood in our fire pit and cooking food a couple times a year. I'm not going to say anything else. | ||
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