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Post# 453904   6/18/2022 at 10:56 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Just received my first order of the new Air-Way Sanitizor Ultra Kleen canister vacuum.

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Post# 453905 , Reply# 1   6/18/2022 at 10:56 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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It's an amazing machine with tons of selling features.

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Post# 453906 , Reply# 2   6/18/2022 at 10:58 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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But the real test is in the real world. So here we go with three weeks of testing in my home, with my three huge dogs. Siberian Husky/German Shepherd dogs tend to shed.

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Post# 453907 , Reply# 3   6/18/2022 at 10:58 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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It's very quiet and very powerful.

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Post# 453908 , Reply# 4   6/18/2022 at 10:59 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Love the steel brush roller with replaceable bristles and brush stiffeners. It 'walks' across the rug.

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Post# 453909 , Reply# 5   6/18/2022 at 11:00 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Bringing back an all-time champion name in vacuums.

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Post# 453910 , Reply# 6   6/18/2022 at 11:18 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Zakk approves.

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Post# 453924 , Reply# 7   6/18/2022 at 15:17 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Very cool!

How solid does the machine feel? The under side of the power nozzle looks like a variant of the one made for the Eureka Express.

Post# 453941 , Reply# 8   6/18/2022 at 22:26 by cam2s (Nebraska)        

Cool to see the Air Way name coming back! Odd to see it in a normal canister and not using their traditional form, but I guess thatís what you get? Who is manufacturing this vacuum? The brush is reminiscent of the VGIII/sweepngroom, but does it borrow from vacuum history elsewhere?

Post# 453957 , Reply# 9   6/19/2022 at 18:16 by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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The canister looks very much like the Electrolux cleaners made by Eureka. Is this what happened to the tooling when Eurekalux shuttered its doors?

Post# 453962 , Reply# 10   6/20/2022 at 05:31 by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Herschel, back about 10 years ago, Bissell had a canister called the Bissell Momentum that looked identical to this Air Way canister. The only differences are tge hose is top mounted and different controls and foot pedals. I would bet good money it's made by KingClean and is identical internally, except for the fact the Air Way has a powerhead receptacle to power the electric hose the Bissell never had.


As far as I am concerned, NO WAY would I touch this! Chinese made junk at it's finest. I give it 5 years before virtually all parts are NLA....and that's being generous. It's also lacking refinement....no powerhead height adjustment, no hard floor brush, there should be SEPARATE tools not a combo tool, no available mini powerhead or turbo brush, cardboard bag collar when it should have plastic bag collars. And to be frank, it looks cheap and tacky.

There are LOTS of better choices....the Titan/Kenmore canisters, Miele C1, Sebo K3, and Riccar Prima....in this price range. Tom, you should be ashamed of yourself for carrying this vacuum, especially considering you have REAL Air Way vacuums customers can compare this to! I will gladly take any of those choices or my Vita Vac any day over this!

Rob


Post# 453964 , Reply# 11   6/20/2022 at 06:46 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Why didn't AirWay stick with their METAL body canister cleaners??Those were something special.The present plastic AirWay is NOTHING special.Won't buy.

Post# 453981 , Reply# 12   6/20/2022 at 19:09 by electro (Indiana)        

I guess we have to live in the present. The days of metal cleaners are long gone and won't be coming back. Even the new Aerus products are coming from other countries.
The truth is that Hoover, Electrollux, Air-Way, Royal are all gone as we knew them. Every place you look you see so many almost new Kirby's for sale ar a fraction of their original cost.
This will give a shop owner at least something to show with an old familiar name. I don't imagine replacement parts will be available for many brands after a few years. I have an 11 year old Rainbow that I bought new and it has given very good service but everyone cannot pay the price of a new Rainbow. Not sure if today's younger buyers are even expecting a vacuum to last many years. I have 2 of my families Air-Ways. They still work but they are heavy to use.


Post# 453985 , Reply# 13   6/21/2022 at 00:14 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I will continue to use my older metal AirWays-even have one of the purple ones.Also have a "Vita-Vac" that I got from a trade in pile.Still works just fine.No need to buy that plastic model.

Post# 453991 , Reply# 14   6/21/2022 at 09:25 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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I carry all three Titan canisters (which used to be Kenmores), I carry the Clean Obsessed canisters - and to be frank the CO Electrolux copy is my best selling machine. It's my best selling because I push it. I have my mother's Model G sitting right next to it. I haven't used the new Air-Way long enough to have a proven track record, but it feels very well made and the fit and finish are great.

The material a bag collar is made from is immaterial to me. Electrolux, Compact, Tacony all use bags with cardboard collars.

I like the fact there's no internal hose in the power nozzle. I like the fact the brushes can be replaced in the brush roll and there's brush stiffeners on one side. I like the lifetime belt.

While I do not like the combo dusting tool, Air-Way has a turbo brush option and a soft dusting brush option, as well as a parquet floor tool like the Twister, so those three options are going to be a "premium" package I'll offer the customer for their trade-in vac.

The thing is quiet. I made a video this past weekend of my husband using it while I filmed and commented. The way this machine picks up dog hair is very good.

I'm not planning to sell it in my store until I've used at home all six bags (and the bag light MUST come on before I change the bag). Then, I'll take it apart and look for wear points. If I'm happy, I'll sell it in my store and display it next examples of over 100 years of Air-Way products which are all here in the Vacuum Museum section.

It has the features that the modern canister vacuum buyer wants in a canister vacuum today. It's not about the past, it's about selling something decent that will satisfy the needs of the customer as well as stay sold and not need constant repair.


Post# 453992 , Reply# 15   6/21/2022 at 09:30 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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There are three fellow collectors who have ordered one of the new machines already. And I just got it Friday.

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Post# 454001 , Reply# 16   6/21/2022 at 12:04 by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        
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Tom can't sell either Miele, Sebo, or even Riccar. He's already explained why before on this forum. And to be honest, I don't blame him. Also, it's pretty harsh to bash on a product that they just released. You should wait for a while and try one out before you judge. And who knows, maybe this new Air-Way would be one of the new best selling canisters on the market in the future. I mean you should never say never. Especially when vacuum warehouses would start stocking up on parts so a consumer can try to keep it for a little longer than 5 years. A little off topic here but just recently I went to my local vacuum store that I used to work at to get some parts, while I was waiting my fellow coworker was selling a customer a new vacuum. There were two vacuums he was demonstrating to that buyer, a red Sebo K3 canister and a black Air-Way AW8700 upright. Guess what the customer liked better? The Air-Way. Now I know that the Air-Way wasn't a canister but say that it was a canister, would you still try to push that customer into buying the Sebo over the Air-Way? Personally if my customer liked the Air-Way canister more, I wouldn't. Just like buying a vehicle or a gun, the customer should look into of what feels the best for them. Even though they would be aware of the pros and cons of what they're looking into. Because Tom doesn't have a whole lot of powernozzle canisters to sell, I don't have a problem with him selling the Air-Way. If it works out for his store and to his customers, then great! But if not, he doesn't have to sell it anymore. Anyways, that's all I wanted to say.

Post# 454037 , Reply# 17   6/22/2022 at 18:10 by marxvac (Ohio)        
Facts are Better than BS

Here are some actual facts about the new Air-Way UltraKleen.
1. The new Air-Way canister is NOT a Bissell or an Electrolux. This exciting new piece was originally designed by and for Godfrey's Vacuum in Australia. If you don't know who they are, they are only the largest and most successful vacuum store ever, with 200 locations. This is a very high quality vacuum that already has a track record, with a lot of good reviews in Aus/NZ. Retail $1299 (Google it)
2. The bag will have a plastic collar, with rubber seals, but the new tooling was just finished and bags are on order from that factory. It is also the thick 5 layer HEPA, like Miele uses, with the stuffing. Best quality available.
3. There are excellent additional tools available, such as hand turbo or parquet twister brush, which can be add-ons or thrown in. They are high quality Wessel-Werks products. See images.
4. Titan, Prima and many Miele are made in China, and if you haven't seen this vacuum your opinion is not an informed opinion. (ie you don't know what you're talking about.) As one poster said, don't judge til your have seen it, and give it a chance.
5. Parts are available, and will be available so long as Air-Way continues to order parts. Many companies simply choose not to continue supplying parts, because they are NOT dealer focused.
More info at airwayvac.com or www.facebook.com/AirWayVa...
Full catalog here - heyzine.com/flip-book/bd90732a1c...


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Post# 454039 , Reply# 18   6/22/2022 at 18:28 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Thanks so much for the extensive details!

I wish you great success with this machine. It looks to have great potential for the American market!



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Post# 454044 , Reply# 19   6/22/2022 at 22:47 by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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You are correct, Godfrey's in Australia does indeed sell this vacuum under the Wertheim brand as the Wertheim 7 Series through their own stores. As for the Wertheim brand being a quality vacuum? Hardly! IF you had done your research, you would have found out that KingClean had previously made the Riccar Pristine for Godfrey's as a Wertheim 4410 with a DustCare PB11 powerhead that had a NuTone/Dirt Devil style powerhead powerhead hood. The Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition was also sold as the Wertheim 4435, again with a restyled DustCare PB11 powerhead. Go ahead and read the reviews for those vacuums on various Australian sites - They got BLASTED for them, BIG TIME, because they ARE Chinese made junk! The reviews on those machines consistently stated they are poorly built, unreliable, and had problems with the powerhead in particular. There was also a Wertheim canister with the same powerhead sold on a home shopping channel in Britain that was a rebadged Simplicity Verve....I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo.

As for your comment about the quality of the bag, since you claim to know so much, Miele's AirClean FJM and GN bags are 9 LAYER HEPA Cloth, NOT 5 layer as you stated in your post. Most aftermarket/generic Miele bags are 5 layer HEPA Cloth, though. So there goes your claim these are the "best quality available". The material even looks like it's just a ordinary Chinese HEPA Cloth bag....nothing special. The ONLY thing I will give it credit for is the bag collar....it appears to be a copy of the bag collar used on Bosch canister HEPA Cloth bags, but with the bag flap and seal like Miele uses on the AirClean collar, very interesting! Looking at the Wertheim 7 Series bag, theirs only uses a cardboard collar with a silicone seal.

As for your assertion that the Riccar Prima, Titan canisters and some Miele canisters are made in China, yes that is correct. However, you forgot to mention it is ONLY the RETIRED Miele canisters and the latest Miele Boost bagless canister that are made at Miele's Dongguan, China plant. And they are made of German components formed into a body formed at the plant and assembled there. So they are not "true" Chinese vacuums, and they get positive reviews consistently. The Titan canisters are made of Chinese parts at a Chinese factory by Cleva, same as current Kenmore canisters. However, their designs are restyled Panasonic designs, from a Japanese company that has been called legendary in their own right by vac shops, same as Aerus Electrolux was, and are already sorely missed by many, including many consumers. The Riccar Prima is also a Chinese canister, but is made to the specifications specified by the parent company, Tacony Corporation. And might I remind you, before you dare try to nitpick and criticize it, that Tom Gasko, Dysonman1, the owner of the shop carrying this Air Way canister, helped in the design of the Riccar Prima and former Simplicity Wonder. I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London when I picked up some bags....for a Chinese made vacuum, it is certainly above average. While I didn't like the design of the bag collar and the quality of the paper used in the HEPA filter, I might have bought one if I wasn't happy already with my Simplicity Gusto, Riccar Pizzazz and The Bank Vault canisters. If I was a normal, average consumer looking for a new vacuum, I would take a Riccar Prima hands down over the Air Way UltraKleen!

I looked through the catalogue you posted a link to, and my opinion stands - the Air Way vacuums are cheap, Chinese junk. The uprights are relabeled Bernina/Prolux uprights which are cheaply built Panasonic clones. Even worse than the Cirrus brand uprights. I also find it rather funny they still have the nerve to sell the Air Way Altera and Agilus canisters....those are horrid machines! As for your assertion "Parts are available, and will be available as long as Air Way continues to order parts"....well, newsflash for ya, do you REALLY THINK the Chinese are gonna care how long some silly American or Australian company wants the parts made for? Nope! THEY will ultimately decide how long parts are available for this vacuum, NOT Air Way!

The Air Way UltraKleen is being manufactured by Qinqdao Creation Industry and Commerce Co., Ltd, of China. Hardly a reputable manufacturer. Look further down on Alibaba.com, and you will see the Airway Altera and Agilus canisters, as well as the Bissell Momentum the Air Way is based on. You should also know that the vacuum is also sold in Switzerland as the Satrap Aspira, in Iran as the German brand Rugen RU-1110, and a slightly different version with a knob for the variable speed control as the Persia France. Also note that the Rugen comes with a reusable cloth bag, and the Wertheim has a optional bag saver attachment and a optional Wessel Werk turbo floor brush. So we are certainly getting ripped off for features here in North America.

Alex - Even if I wanted to, I couldn't try out the Air Way, I have yet to see a Canadian vac shop distributor offer the Air Way brand yet. And I certainly wouldn't buy a Chinese vacuum that I would have no warranty on.

Rob


Post# 454045 , Reply# 20   6/22/2022 at 22:57 by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
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"Canadian Crank" eh? Live in my Mom's basement eh? Wow, shows how little you know of some of the forum members here in REAL LIFE! My Mom, God bless her soul, has been dead since 1998. I did previously rent a basement apartment when I lived in Orillia for 3.5 years from a retired lady though. At present, I have my own apartment in downtown London, Ontario, have a wonderful partner, and a great life. Guess what, do you REALLY think I care about what a total stranger in another country thinks of me? Hah, you wish!

Next time you might care to keep your opinions about other members personal lives to yourself because now you have egg on your face. :p

Rob



Post# 454055 , Reply# 21   6/23/2022 at 10:51 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        

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Post# 454057 , Reply# 22   6/23/2022 at 14:21 by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I always think its laughable that many collectors call Chinese manufactured machines Cheap Junk when  its the USA/European  companies that decide just how cheap and junk it is.

 

When I was in R&D I saw samples of machines from King clean that would make a Miele look like rubbish they were so well made. When you source a product from King Clean, or best clean or any of the other manufacturers you get to choose how well you want it made, you can choose the motor, the types of bearings used in the motor, the lenth of carbon brushes ( life of the motor 500 hour , 1000 hour , 2000 hour ? you decide. The hose , the diameter, the quality, the length, material 

Their has also never been a problem getting spares either from King clean, A problem with the distributing compmanys  wanting to actually have spares Yes but spares are very much available. In Fact you can get any vacuum spares you want from China, want one hundred Hoover 652 motors, They will make them and again the quality will depend on how much you want to pay per unit. 

Just because its made in China doesn't make it junk.

 

The other day I got to drive in a Chinese suv called a Haval Jolion . They are very popular here now and let me tell  you would think you were in something German not Chinese, even outside it looks very cool. My mate you traded in his Audi q5 for it said after driving it he couldn't justify the price difference between this and a New Q5. 

The quality is right up their with the est in the class and light years ahead of anything GM or Ford is currently making 

The Chinese are improving their products quality at a alarming rate automotive field, Their own in house designed vacuums cleaners are now some of the best. I still do some consulting R&D work from a SA firm that imports their own brand of vacuum cleaners and whats exciting to see now is hoe they have gone from merely copying other technology to been innovative and coming up with their own ideas 


Post# 454060 , Reply# 23   6/23/2022 at 15:35 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Well said gsheen!

Weíre surrounded by Chinese made products and they arenít going away. You also brought up a very good point about how the one sourcing the finished product gets to decide what caliber the final product will be.

Post# 454063 , Reply# 24   6/23/2022 at 16:55 by marxvac (Ohio)        
Meile Bag vs Air-Way UltraKleen Bag

Some comments here claim the Miele bag is superior to the UltraKleen, so I simply cut open one of each, so you can see for yourself. First of all you notice that the UltraKleen has charcoal for odors. AW 1 / Miele 0. More importantly, if you look at the thickness of the bag itself, there is little if any difference. The Air-way bag actually looks and feels a little thicker. So I guess if you take the same material, and use in thinner layers, you can claim it has 9 layers. This is called "marketing" but I can think of better words for it. Both bags spec out at the typical 99.97% to 0.3 microns, so how is one better? Anyone is welcome to come personally inspect these any time you like. As gsheen said, you can pay more and get whatever quality you want from China. So true.

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Post# 454064 , Reply# 25   6/23/2022 at 18:03 by marxvac (Ohio)        
Rob

Rob,
The dealers who embrace Air-Way are the smart ones, who see where the other manufacturers are headed. Direct to consumer! These companies do not support dealers, rather they compete with their own dealers, selling directly to our customers. They use dealers for free warranty labor, to deal with their headaches from online purchases, so they have fewer returns. Then, after they get the customer's email address, they solicit them with regular emails to steal even more bag/filter/replacement business from the dealers, often under cutting their own MAP prices. Air-Way is not sold direct to consumer. So it may or may not be better than this or that, but they are great vacuums that a dealer can sell at a profit, and stand behind, because Air-Way stands behind their dealers! Loyalty matters more than arguing how many layers you call it.

Your comments are amusing. You mention " a rebadged Simplicity Verve . . . I can only imagine how poorly the Brits thought of it compared to a Miele or Sebo." and then say you're "happy already with my . . . Bank Vault canister." SAME VACUUM! You love the Bank Vault then trash the Air-Way Altera and Agilus - THEY ARE ALL THE SAME CANISTER FROM THE SAME FACTORY. And it's not King Clean, or those other trading companies or Alibaba scammers you mentioned. The Verve, Charisma, Johhny Vac/Cirrus, Vapamore, Royal Lexon, one old silver Hoover, and the Altera/Agilus are ALL re-skinned versions of the same canister, from the same factory. Parts are all interchangeable.

You say "I have actually seen the Prima in person once at McHardy Vacuum here in London" which tells me you are not a dealer. I have had several stores for over 40 years, after selling Kirby door to door from the time I was a teenager. Yes, I am an old fart. We sold several hundred Wonders/Primas, and I have had them apart. They are OK, but very few features. We dropped them 2 or 3 years ago for selling too slowly.

I made a separate post on the bags, if you want to see a comparison.

The Air-Way uprights are an old design made in Taiwan, not China, by people who made the original Riccar and Simplicity uprights such as the first 8000's and Simplicity 5000's & 7 Series machines. You know, back when a vacuum was made to last 20/30 years. We sold thousands of those vacuums. They were all great. We still see these come in for service; some over 30 years old. (trade in time) After Tacony moved production to the states, they continued making these vacs and Cirrus. I started the Cirrus brand, before I sold it to Essco, so I have known that factory for a long time. These vacuums perform and hold up quite well. They are good basic upright vacuums, with no frills, that have very few problems. Plus they are super easy and quick to repair, which dealers like.

BTW Canavac actually distributes some Air-Way in Canada. Couple dealers in Toronto carry them. There will be more sold there soon.

I am curious Rob, how many times you have been to China? Or Taiwan? How many factories have you visited over there?


Post# 454065 , Reply# 26   6/23/2022 at 18:06 by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
Those bags are more than acceptable

I donít understand why everyone uses Miele as a benchmark for comparison. I donít think thatís very fair, no more than comparing to any other brand with HEPA because everything that Miele knows about making HEPA machines was learned the hard way and the consumer paid the price more than anyone. Miele made HEPA filters for their existing S300 and S400 series in the 1990s before they ever released a new model designed from the ground up to use HEPA. This afterthought filter was flawed too. I remember putting HEPA on my S314 and watching the filter move out of place from the being pushed up by the restricted airflow. My White Pearl did the same thing. I donít put a lot of stock in HEPA filtration because everything is fallible at one time or another and also because most of us donít have time in our lives to worry about it. I think most of us are too busy to run around behind our vacuumís exhaust to take readings with a particle meter. Even if the bags arenít perfect, theyíre still better than paper. Thatís enough for me.

Personally, Iím eager to try one of these machines and especially because of the charcoal in the bag. It looks as if the charcoal is in a central pouch and not permeated in the material of the entire bag, the way other manufacturers choose to do.




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Post# 454076 , Reply# 27   6/24/2022 at 06:27 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
Are we supposed to celebrate China??

@gsheen:

That's not entirely true. The Western companies can tell them HOW to assemble the products, and how it should be styled, but they don't always have much control over the often still-shoddy COMPONENTS that China uses. It isn't THAT simple.

And you think that Jolion is "light years" ahead of GM and Ford?? Pleeeeease. It doesn't even match a Cadillac Escalade or a Lincoln Navigator, let alone the forthcoming Lyriq. It for sure doesn't look as high-tech or modern as a Tesla either. GM and Ford are only two of the 27 US auto companies. Many observers and drivers consider the Lucid sedans superior to Mercedes. And, by the way, GM and Ford still hold the largest share of global technology patents. Your claims fall rather flat.

Let me remind you. China is a TOTALITARIAN society, with murderous despotic leaders. Imprisonment, torture, murder, and disappearance are common fates of China's OWN CITIZENS. They threaten nearly EVERY neighbor with constant war, have sunk other countries' fishing boats, make false claims of ownership of vast chunks of open ocean (which has never happened before), and is supporting and abetting other murderous despotic regimes around the world in Africa, N. Korea, and Russia.

Forgive me if I don't sing the praises of Communist China. The West is superior in every way. China, like Russia, needs expelled from the modern world like the pariah nation it is.


Post# 454080 , Reply# 28   6/24/2022 at 09:23 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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Well:
I like the new Air-Way Ultra Kleen. I have a small 3600 square foot vacuum shop where I get to come everyday for work that I enjoy. I don't have to work for anyone else. I get to decide what brands and styles of new vacuum I want to carry.

At my age, the most important thing is I sell vacuums I like. I like the Air-Way uprights because they don't give me problems. I like the Lamb motor in them. I like that I can easily fix one of them if I have to.

When I've used all six disposable bags that have come with my Air-Way Ultra, as long as no problems develop along the way, I'll be happy to sell them in my store. And why not?

If it can clean MY house, it can clean the houses of my customers. The folks at Air-Way (from the President to the sales rep) have all been kind and above-board with me. Unlike the 'german kenmore' reps who pissed me off. I may not be a big huge dealer selling hundreds a month but I'll throw my hat in the ring with a Company who treats me with kindness and respect. That's Air-Way.


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Post# 454085 , Reply# 29   6/24/2022 at 16:01 by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        
@ electromatik

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Should we celebrate China , No and everything you say about the country themselfs is true BUT 

 

Sorry but you are completely wrong on the quality control. The western companies have complete control over the quality of the products they import from China. They know that its cheap , they know that because they chose it. 

I still do R & D for one vacuum company locally and another company that does small appliances, ( kettles, toasters ext ) 

We have complete control over the quality but quality comes with a price. when we test samples we will often pic up problems  which is totally normal, ( our market is unique and harsch ) we will go back to them and they will always improve the product, change the bearing quality or whatever we ask. But those changes often come at a cost and this can move that product out  of its intended price point, Choices are made, sometimes the product is accepted as is and we get lucky and have very low returns rates, Other times the product is completely scrapped. 

 

As for the Jolion, have you driven one, Cause I have.

 

As for western manufacturing, Oh I do wish it would come back but it wont, Not soon 

We have not China to blame but ourselves, 

We shop at huge big box chain stores and Buy off amazon instead of local shops because its easier 

We tell young people to go to collage to get a deg they will spend half their life paying back instead of a Blue collar job because those are looked down on in society,  

Its our very western CEO's and upper management that move production to China because it cheaper than making it locally ( I lost my first good job because of this ) 

Their are more people alive today than in the years past so why cant Hoover, Eureka, Royal, Dirtdevil , sustain production in your country with more people than ever buying them. Greed 

 

 


Post# 454087 , Reply# 30   6/24/2022 at 16:56 by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        
I'll throw my hat in the ring with a Company who treats

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This is a very True statement. 

Like you I own a small vacuum shop, and to me its the relationships with the suppliers that really matters. Their is a Local brand that I like to sell, ( also sourced from China yell) but are really well made. what I like about them is I know the CEO really well and he never misses a chance to go the extra mile for a customer. I handle their warranty work for Cape Town but their seldom is any. I never battle to get spares, OUr market is unique in that most home owners have a domestic worker that handles the cleaning but these ladys have a reputation for being very heavy handed on appliance, vacuums and ions are the NO1 destroyed household appliance in SA, On cylinder vacuums you wil be lucky to get a year out of a floor tool. 

I often get asked why i sell this brand over Miele for example and its really simple, Spares. If it breaks , when you need a floor tool I have them, I can get them easily, 1 day order wait time, Miele never has stock, the parts cost a fortune, I have started to use this brands floor tools on the Miele because they last as long, and cost around a quater of the price, they just happe to fit which helps too.

 

If a customer buys a machine from me and it breaks I need to be able to sort it out asap. Its my name on the line, not the brands as I sold them the vacuum. Made in Germany means noting when I have to tell the customer sorry no stock of the part we need to fix your vacuum 


Post# 454145 , Reply# 31   6/27/2022 at 16:16 by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
Went to Godfrey's Website and...

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Perused their online catalog.

www.godfreys.com.au/werth...

My greatest niggle is that it's a re-badged machine. Yeah, I know a lot of sellers do that, it's quite commonplace, but a name as legendary as Air-Way now being a $1299 re-badged plastic vac kinda twists me in the wrong direction.

Link to the manual:
www.godfreys.com.au/media...

Since I'm a performance guy, the manual states:
1300W (cleaner only), 1500W (with PN)
No other specs listed like suction or airflow.

Tom, I'm glad you will fill up 6 bags and then partially disassemble the machine to check for weak spots. One owner did have the wand break shortly after purchase.

If the U.S. price remains at $1300+, it'll have stiff competition I believe.

Best of luck and let us know how your trial period turns out,

Bill


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Post# 454169 , Reply# 32   6/28/2022 at 07:33 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
Some questions about the Ultra-Kleen

I have not found this for sale online anywhere as of yet. I do think it is an attractive machine. I like the black faceted paint scheme. This is now under consideration, and I would likely buy one if I can find a good deal. I would appreciate it if someone can answer the following:

Has anyone tested the filtration performance with a particle counter as of yet? If so, what are the results?

I can't read the cord length, how many feet?

Can you park the power nozzle on the machine?

Thanks for any help.



Post# 454176 , Reply# 33   6/28/2022 at 11:37 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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The cord is 25 feet, which is nice compared to the cord on my Electrolux Classic.

I believe the watt figures are different on the US model, but not by much less.

The bag chamber is black, making it very easy to see any escaped dust. My first bag is almost to the extremely full point but the airflow is still like new so I'll wait for the full bag light to show first before changing it.

Basically, I'm treating it like a customer would and not a collector. I don't think those electric wands can be fixed, I think you just replace them. The warranty is fairly long. I noticed they were using three rivets to lock the wand necks to the aluminum wand, making it stronger than the similar Tacony wand.



Post# 454180 , Reply# 34   6/28/2022 at 15:17 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

Is there a parking slot for the power nozzle anywhere on the machine? I think that makes it easier when you have to stop and for storage.

Post# 454185 , Reply# 35   6/28/2022 at 15:55 by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        
Mark

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I am going to address the comments you made about the bag first, as you made a separate post about them.

Ok, so the bag is 5 layers and has a "fluffy polypropylene" material like Miele uses. That DOES NOT make them as good as the Miele AirClean bags! You should also be aware that EnviroCare Technologies makes their generic GN and FJM canister bags this way, and Qualtex makes the Miele U uprights bags like this. I have used both, so can attest to their performance. Sure, they do filter the dust out of the air and keep the bag chamber clean, just as any HEPA Cloth bag does. I actually bought a pack of the EnviroCare FJM bags back in 2018, and was expecting them to perform similar to the Miele AirClean bags because of their construction. Boy was I ever wrong thinking they would!!

The big difference, and what makes the Miele AirClean bag superior, IS those additional layers of bag material....even if it is thinner. Those additional filter layers allow for fine dust storage within the walls of the bag. They are literally the ONLY BAG the market that you can fill up to 3/4 full without losing hardly ANY suction or airflow. Also, the cloth bag straps inside the bag cause the dirt to bounce around inside the bag and make the ENTIRE bag material absorb the dust and dirt evenly, not just the bottom and sides of the bag as a conventional bag would. Any other HEPA Cloth bag, if the walls of the bag become clogged with dust, the only way you are going to restore suction and airflow to the cleaner using that bag is by taking it outside, giving the bag a good vigorous shake to loosen the dust from the walls of the bag, and reinstalling it in the cleaner.

As far as the Air Way bag having the activated charcoal in a pouch in the bag material, they actually copied that idea from Miele. Miele introduced a bag in Europe a few years ago called the Miele HyClean 4D Smell Protect bag, which is exactly identical to the AirClean bag material, but with a pouch of activated charcoal right above the plastic bag collar.

So, now the score is Miele 3 / Air Way 0. Unless you have laboratory testing that PROVES the Air Way bags can be filled to 3/4 full without a appreciable difference in the suction and airflow of the cleaner while in operation.

Rob



Post# 454186 , Reply# 36   6/28/2022 at 15:56 by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada)        

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Link to the Miele HyClean 4D Smell Protect bags on Amazon before Miele pulled them off the market:



CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbylux77's LINK


Post# 454188 , Reply# 37   6/28/2022 at 16:36 by dysonman1 (the county)        

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There are two parking spots on the back of the canister. So far, I've only parked the combination tool which has its own post for the parking slot. The wand has the same post for the other parking slot.

One of the things I think MY customers will like is how easy it pulls on carpets. Many vacuums don't. My Miele Aquarius has such small wheels they sink into the rug and you literally drag the canister.

I had fun this past weekend experimenting with different power nozzles, wands, adapters and pigtail cords on the Air-Way. The hose end is 35MM, so I have adapters for that diameter. My EBK360 from the Ritello really is quite the nozzle connected to the Air-Way.


Post# 454347 , Reply# 38   7/2/2022 at 16:01 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
suction motor

What kind of motor is in the new Air-way? Is it a two stage motor or one of those one stage screamers? Also, what's the electric plug like on the hose? Is it standard? Converting 35 MM to 32 MM is easy, adapters are available to handle that and I have several of them.
Mike


Post# 454357 , Reply# 39   7/3/2022 at 09:20 by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Mike, I havenít had a chance to take it apart yet because we have not gone through all six bags that came with it. When Iím finished filling them to the top with household dirt, Iím going to take the machine apart and examine it thoroughly, including the circuitboard. I only went to sell customers a vacuum cleaner that is adorable. Not only for them, but because I donít wanna have to fix the damn things. So far so good. I had a small Fourth of July gathering with Vacuum friends and they all took a turn trying it out.

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Post# 454376 , Reply# 40   7/3/2022 at 15:48 by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Doing the dusting.

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Post# 455283 , Reply# 41   7/29/2022 at 07:54 by Dysonman1 (the county)        

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Itís been two months, four bags full of dirt, threw the machine at a spider and dented a wall, took it apart twice, and Iím now perfectly satisfied this is a durable machine, and one I will be proud to sell. This is the Air-way Ultra Kleen display in my store at the present time.

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Post# 456719 , Reply# 42   9/12/2022 at 22:22 by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        
I actually do love it

This is the kind of canister I want. Has anyone measured the emissions yet?

Dysonman1, I'd be interested to buy this from you, but I think you are quite far from NC. I am afraid of damage during the shipping process, but I guess I'd have to do that anyway.

Can we discuss prices privately??



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