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Post# 432306   9/22/2020 at 17:58 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

I have an Electrolux Diamond Jubilee that needs new brushes but I need the part number of the motor. As far as I know it's the original motor and I've looked online for a parts list but never found one. I don't have the vacuum with me so I can't look myself. I was hoping someone could tell me what the part number is. I'm new to the forum and would appreciate your help, thanks.




Post# 432313 , Reply# 1   9/22/2020 at 21:11 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Not sure but hereís an idea

Electrolux is now called Aerus. You may wish to contact your local Aerus dealer and see if they can give you the number or have the brushes in stock. Iím not sure there ever was a particular part number for the motor brushes. You might need the serial number which is on the bottom of the main unit stamped on the plastic glide and swivel wheel bracket. It should start and end with a letter and have several digits in the middle. The diamond jubilee may have had more than one motor put in during its production as the early models had issues so they may need the serial number to tell which motor your has.

Are you in Morristown, New Jersey by chance?

Jon


Post# 432315 , Reply# 2   9/22/2020 at 21:21 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Jon I called Aerus last week and tried to email one of their franchises in Asheville, but they never responded. I found some companies that sell motor brushes but they always ask for the part number of the motor to make sure the right one is ordered. I thought I might be able to get that here are looking at some older threads. I live in Morristown TN.

Post# 432321 , Reply# 3   9/22/2020 at 22:02 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Ok

A lot of people have found this Aerus dealer very helpful. While out of state, he has a reputation for helping out distant customers. He has been an Electrolux franchise for a very long time, since 1976. His name is Ray Satterwhite. He may be able to send you what you need. His franchise website is rvavacuums.com and his phone number is there on the site. His son Bryan restores old units as well so he is not just interested in selling you a new machine from what I understand.

He is out of Richmond VA. Sorry the local franchise isnít being too helpful for you.

Took a long shot you were in NJ...I grew up in Morristown, NJ and thatís why I asked.

Let us know how you make out. I need brushes for my Electrolux Silverado, if he can get you your I may call him for mine.

Jon


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Post# 432328 , Reply# 4   9/23/2020 at 05:07 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Jon thanks for that link I'll give them a call today. This repair job has turned into a real treasure hunt. Never thought it'd be so hard to track down a part. I did run across another site that has brushes, but I know nothing about them www.sweetsweep.com/elmoca... We used to have a real good repair shop in Morristown for decades, but it went out of business 12-18 months ago.

Steve


Post# 432330 , Reply# 5   9/23/2020 at 07:47 by Kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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You could try searching Google or eBay and match up the old brushes to an image of the new ones. Thatís what Iíve done in the past. Usually the listing will be something like model G brushes with the model identified.

Post# 432331 , Reply# 6   9/23/2020 at 07:48 by Kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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These may work. See link below.



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Post# 432335 , Reply# 7   9/23/2020 at 08:18 by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
Steve

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I looked at Kenny's link....if you scroll down to the comments, someone asked if these would fit a Diamond Jubilee, and the answer was Yes.... Hope that helps!

Steve



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Post# 432339 , Reply# 8   9/23/2020 at 09:46 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
On another note

While you are repairing the motor, you may want to check your hose. If it is the braided type they often disintegrate from the inside out and gradually start leaking resulting in poor suction and cleaning efficiency. The newer rubber type donít do that so if you have one of those you should be good. But if itís braided once you get the motor going again, you might want to check the hose.

To check the hose, open the blower door on the top, and run the vacuum without the hose on covering the suction end with your hand and there should be virtually no air blowing out from the blower port. Then put the hose on, make sure the suction control valve on the hose handle is closed, then cover the suction end of the hose at the handle and check hoe much air is coming out of the blower port end and if itís a lot, the hose is leaking. Make sure the suction control wheel on the hose Handle is closed when performing this check.

The old braided hoses usually only last 10 to 20 years so you may have already replaced. If it turns out you need a new one used genuine ones are usually available on eBay every now and then and generics are available too But they tend to not be as good and new genuine ones are available from Aerus and Ray Satterwhite can send one.

If you have a sidekick mini power nozzle some of the generic hoses wonít work with it. I recommend a genuine hose because people have complained of issues with the suction control valves not staying shut on the generics as well as the screws stripping out in time and the sidekicks not working. The hose is a heavy use item and so I have found getting the genuine is best especially if the machine is a regular use machine.

If it turns out you need a hose and you wish to try to find a genuine used one on eBay we can tell you what to look for in the pictures. The hose handle should have the round dial for the suction control valve for surre and no switch on the handle to control the power nozzle. Aerus/Electrolux stopped stamping Electrolux on the hose handles after 2003 when the name changed to Aerus so some newer ones may not have that on them which makes it harder to tell the generics from the OEMís.

Jon


Post# 432373 , Reply# 9   9/23/2020 at 17:59 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Wow it was nice to check the thread after work see the all the good info. Kenny thanks for that link, I'll definitely be calling them. Jon the hose was replaced some years ago so we don't have to worry about that. I know what you're talking with those braided hoses. A few years ago I was cleaning out my grandparent's old house and found my grandmother's Electrolux 1205. It had been buried under some old sheets and clothes. I thought it probably doesn't work, but I plugged it in and it fired right up. Now it had no suction because the lining of the hose had deteriorated, but the guy at our now closed repair shop replaced it. So it works great.

I called Ray in Richmond, he said those brushes can be pretty hard to find, so he gave me two suggestions. I can ship the vacuum to him and his son can see if he find some used ones to install and he'd service the engine. The other was to buy an updated Diamond Jubilee called the Lux Classic. I'm glad there's another option. Thanks again for all the help. I wish I could find a forum like this for replacement thermostats in a wall heater.

Steve


Post# 432806 , Reply# 10   9/29/2020 at 17:48 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

I ordered the brushes from the above link and I'm not sure they're right. I posted a photo of one of the old brushes and the new ones I ordered. The old one has a sleeve with place for a wire that connects to the motor. The new brush doesn't so it doesn't appear this will work. Any suggestions?

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Post# 432807 , Reply# 11   9/29/2020 at 17:58 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
I wonder

I wonder if the carbon brush Itself can be taken out of the brass part and installed into the original brass part that came out of your machine? I guess youíd have to see if the carbon brush will come out of the old one first for experimenting so you donít ruin the new part if it doesnít work.

Iíll be watching as other members weigh in. Perhaps Bryan Satterwhite has some experience with this in his ďrestorationsĒ but I do know there are some members here that rebuild motors so hopefully they will help out.

Jon


Post# 432810 , Reply# 12   9/29/2020 at 18:19 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Jon I wondered about that too. I sent an email to the website to see what they say. I hope I get a reply. Some website show only the brush and spring which makes it appear possible. What a rule, I can only post one time in 30 minutes.

Steve


Post# 432850 , Reply# 13   9/30/2020 at 12:19 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Hereís something...

I saw this set on eBay as well as a set just like what you got. Iím wondering if this set is similar to what is inside yours.

This set says it fits the model Set previous to yours Which had a different style motor so not sure Iíd recommend. But I wanted to send the picture since it shows the brushes with the spring and the copper wire that runs through the spring and at the one end has the little brass plate for contact with the brass holder and the other end has the wire going into the carbon brush itself. If your old one is like this and the brass holder is nearly identical in size to your original then you may be able to swap out the brush/spring assembly with the new set into the original brass holder.

Thatís about all I can offer. Do the old brushes slide out of the old brass holder or do they appear to be locked in in some way?

Iíll look and see if I can find the member name that offered to rebuild my Silveradoís motor. Perhaps you can email him, he may have a better idea with all of this. I am interested because I think my Silverado may just need new brushes.

What were your symptoms? Mine suddenly seemed to run at a slower speed and have a lot of hissing sound with the rotation as it would slow down upon shutting off and it didnít smell good. I shut it off right away so as to avoid damage to the armature but am still unsure of exactly what went wrong, if itís the bearing seizing or the motor brushes having worn out but Iím guessing itís one of those two if not both.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Generic-Electro...

Jon


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Post# 432868 , Reply# 14   9/30/2020 at 19:18 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Jon
The vacuum just stopped working one day, it really didn't give any warning. I'm not sure if the spring will come out of the holder. My cousin only pulled the brush part of the way out. I also made some measurements of the old and new brushes and there are a couple of differences. The new holder is 2 millimetres longer than the old one. And the new brush is about one millimetre less thick than the old one. So I'm gonna say this likely won't be a good replacement. I looked at the item on Ebay, it's hard to say if they'd be a match or not. I finally got a reply from Ezvacuum, they'll see if they have the right brushes in stock.

Steve


Post# 432873 , Reply# 15   9/30/2020 at 20:21 by blknblu (CT)        

Please take a picture of the motor. I have several DJ's (in storage right now)
The set you received fits an Electro Motor style Electrolux motor. Motors from Super J up can fit this model.


Post# 432923 , Reply# 16   10/1/2020 at 18:15 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Sven, I don't have the vacuum with me so I'm not sure when I can get a photo.

I asked Ezvacuum if they'd pay the return postage because I bought the part based on incorrect info on their site. The rep replied, The carbon brush sent is as per the order. There are multiple Jubilee models taking different brushes.

I replied, I think what you mean is that there are multiple Electrolux vacuums with the model number 1521. For some reason Electrolux gave that number to the Diamond Jubilee, Marquise and Grand Marquise. But there aren't multiple models of the Diamond Jubilee that I can see. So when I saw someone ask if this part will fit on a Diamond Jubilee 1521 motor and yes was the answer, I naturally thought I was getting the right part.

Steve



Post# 432924 , Reply# 17   10/1/2020 at 19:21 by blknblu (CT)        

I found some old pics.
These are from my two Diamond Jubilee's whuch have two different motors.
I believe what you have in your machine is the motor on the left.
The one on the right is the Electro Motor style with the plastic cap.


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Post# 432925 , Reply# 18   10/1/2020 at 20:25 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

I believe you're right, it is the motor on the left. The things that hold the brushes in place look like the one I have. It also has the number 6780 on it. Do you know the name of that motor or it's model number?

Steve


Post# 432927 , Reply# 19   10/1/2020 at 21:25 by blknblu (CT)        

An old post mentions Helwig Carbon brushes, part number 146 will work for the diamond jubilee motor.this should be for the motor on the left.

www.helwigcarbon.com...


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Post# 432940 , Reply# 20   10/2/2020 at 05:12 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Yes I saw that post and spoke to Helwig. To be certain this was the right part they wanted the part number of the motor which I didn't have. They also have a $25 minimum charge when ordering. So you can't just order two brushes for $12.

Steve


Post# 433030 , Reply# 21   10/3/2020 at 19:11 by blknblu (CT)        

Maybe try giving these guy a call:

Eurton Electric
store.eurtonelectric.com/vacuumb...

It may help to pull the carbon brush out of the holder and measure the thickness & width with a digital caliper. The length should be slightly longer than the brass holder. You can pick up a cheap set of digital calipers at Harbor Freight.


Post# 433031 , Reply# 22   10/3/2020 at 19:35 by blknblu (CT)        

Eurton Electric 549 seems to match the Helwig 146

Eurton Electric 549
.25" x .43" x 1.02" Brush 549
store.eurtonelectric.com/25x43x1...

Helwig 146
thickness 0.25″, width 0.437″, length 1″
www.helwigcarbon.com/shop...







Post# 433038 , Reply# 23   10/4/2020 at 00:20 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
That motor.....

on the right looks like a Lamb motor. They were often subbed in by dealers. I used to restore Diamond J's specifically and never saw an original DJ with the motor on the right.

Don't wanna start a war...just sayin'....


Kevin


Post# 433048 , Reply# 24   10/4/2020 at 12:01 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
Are you sure itís the brushes?

Not sure how much testing on the entire unit you did. Are you sure itís not just the power switch that has gone bad? If the check bag light comes on with the bag door open and the switch on and plugged in then the switch is working.

Reason this occurs to me is you said the symptoms were that the unit suddenly was not working one day. Just wonder how you got to determining itís definitely the motor brushes. Could be something else and want to make sure you eliminated all else since the brushes seem to be a hassle and if itís not them then it could be something else more easily fixable.

Jon


Post# 433052 , Reply# 25   10/4/2020 at 14:12 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Jon
My cousin is the one who took the vacuum apart and told me the brushes are bad. He said he put in some other brushes to see if they might fix it. The vacuum ran but he said there was some sparking that happened. So they weren't a fix.

Kevin and Sven, thanks for those other sites, but I may have tracked down a repair shop in another part of the state that can get the the brushes and holders. I sent them a photo of the brush/holder and the plastic part that attaches the brushes to the motor. I'm waiting to hear back. If they can't get the right one, I'll check those other sites. One other thing I learned from Helwig is they sell only the brushes, not the metal holder.

Steve



Post# 433703 , Reply# 26   10/18/2020 at 07:43 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

After calling and emailing numerous repair shops, I had one tell me those brushes can't be bought anymore. Their fix was to replace the motor and I was told Electrolux made a brushless motor available years ago. I was told the price was $350 so I passed. Another shop told me, Those brushes are not from an original Electrolux motor Ö that motor must have been replaced at some point Ö the brushes should look like this (without a cord attached). I provided their photo below. If that motor was replaced it's news to me, I don't recall that being done. That shop also sent me a link to a replacement motor on the evacuumstore site, but it's $126. Last week my cousin found a Marquise at Goodwill for $9 that seems to work great, so my mom is happy.

Steve


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Post# 433709 , Reply# 27   10/18/2020 at 08:59 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I used to buy.....

brushes on eBay for that motor. Maybe even from one of the vacuum shops. Anyway it wasn't an issue but I haven't rebuilt a DJ in about 5yrs.

Glad you found a solution.

Kevin


Post# 433711 , Reply# 28   10/18/2020 at 09:35 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
That's the irony of replacement parts...

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Yeah, it's kind of ironic that entire machines can often be found far cheaper than individual parts. I guess why there always seem to be machines being parted out on eBay. This past summer, I walked away from a Kirby Sentria at Goodwill because even though it was inexpensively priced, the replacement parts to put it to rights were prohibitively costly. It's a bit of a twist that the $9 thrift find will will become the daily driver, so to speak, allowing the Diamond J to potentially become a parts donor for the for the Marquise as needed.

Post# 433722 , Reply# 29   10/18/2020 at 11:24 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
I would keep

The Diamond Jubilee and all of its parts and attachments if you have the room. Anything still functioning on it will work on the Marquise as the Marquise was the next model after the Diamond Jubilee. All main unit parts and attachments and the hose are all interchangeable between the two.

Glad you have a solution.

Jon


Post# 433804 , Reply# 30   10/19/2020 at 17:51 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        
Not the solution

I wanted but my mom has something like what she's used to. I do plan on keeping the DJ for the parts. I got another reply from one of the franchises in another state, they can't get those carbon brushes anymore, only solution is to buy a new motor for $230. There's still a part of me that thinks somewhere those brushes can be found, but that may be just wishful thinking. I do appreciate all of the suggestions everyone passed along.

Steve


Post# 433881 , Reply# 31   10/20/2020 at 22:08 by Jo (Dallas,TX)        
You could...

Always put the Marquise motor into the DJ if you really wanted it to be complete especially if the DJ body is better but Iíd probably just pick whichever one has the best body and keep the other for the parts.

Perhaps youíll come across another in the future with a good motor and you can swap the motor into the DJ.

Glad we could help.

Jon


Post# 434334 , Reply# 32   10/28/2020 at 20:28 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

The body of the DJ and Marquis are about the same condition actually. My cousin found a Silverado at the dump and it works just fine. The body has rust places and the cord was repaired with electrical tape. That might be why someone got rid of it. Does the Silverado and DJ use the same motor?

Steve


Post# 434342 , Reply# 33   10/29/2020 at 08:03 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I believe so

Post# 434343 , Reply# 34   10/29/2020 at 08:43 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

The Silverado motor is the old Super J motor design. The Diamond J motor has a different history.

It was the first motor not to come in-house from the Connecticut plant. Depending on who you talk to it was either a completely outsourced motor or a motor made in another Electrolux plant down south.

They had problems with the motor originally, but Electrolux stood behind the vac completely and fixed all that had issues. I would think those vacs with problem motors either got fixed or went to the landfill.....I've never seen a Diamond J with a bad motor and I've restored at least 15 of them.

As to whether or not a Silverado motor will fit into a Diamond J...I don't know, never tried it. But I bet the Diamond J motor has the same lift or more of the old Super J design....albeit noisier.

Kevin


Post# 434344 , Reply# 35   10/29/2020 at 08:52 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
There was a.......

fire early on in production of the Super J at the Connecticut plant. So they went out of house to have the motor armatures made. Electrolux also had trouble with those motors and again, made good on replacing them.

The serial #'s of the motors in question have been documented in here. By the time the Silverado was introduced, there were no more motor issues that I'm aware of.

Kevin


Post# 434359 , Reply# 36   10/29/2020 at 18:56 by chafer444 (Morristown TN)        

Thanks for the additional info on the motors.

Steve


Post# 434368 , Reply# 37   10/29/2020 at 22:53 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
You're.....

welcome. And for some more weirdness....all the motors in Electrolux Canada tanks were stronger than their US counterparts. Up until the 90's when Electrolux merged the two factions(and not for the better).

Kevin


Post# 434431 , Reply# 38   11/1/2020 at 00:27 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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The brushes and their metal sleeves look nearly identical to me. Will the metal sleeves fit in the plastic holders? Is everything the same dimensions? I feel like everyone may be overlooking a very simple solution.

The old brushes have a wire on them, but the wire appears to be a tiny pigtail, with a female spade connector on each end. All other things being equal, the only difference would be the manner of electrical connection. Apparently, the spade connector on the brush sleeve is somewhat of an anomaly. Perhaps a different supplier, oddball in-between revisions thing, or aftermarket. Looking at the terrible photograph on the seller's website, the lower brush in the picture looks to have two tiny holes on the bottom left hand side of the picture. Those look like holes for a small gauge wire to be fed through and soldered on. That's what it looks like to my eye, anyway. Mind you the picture is awful.

So if these brush & sleeve assemblies fit the bill every other which way, solder some wire in there and boom, you're done.


Post# 434438 , Reply# 39   11/1/2020 at 09:46 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Sorry.....

I don't have a DJ on the bench to restore right now. I'm not taking apart my DD Diamond J or I could end this debate/query right now.

Here is a pic showing what the larger Super J brushes look like and either a G brush set or a possible Diamond J set.....don't remember

Kevin


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Post# 434439 , Reply# 40   11/1/2020 at 09:50 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
You.....

can't solder the braided wire onto/into brush carbon, of course. Looks like they drill a hole and shove the wire into it somehow....never seen the process done.

Kevin


Post# 434440 , Reply# 41   11/1/2020 at 09:57 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Often.....

more questions than answers....

Kevin


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Post# 434455 , Reply# 42   11/1/2020 at 15:18 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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I guess I didn't make myself clear. The brush sleeve or housing is metal, probably steel, and it's more than possible to solder wire to it. If you'd care to look at the picture as I described in great detail...

Now replacing just the brush in the housing is probably what I would do anyway.


Post# 434460 , Reply# 43   11/1/2020 at 17:23 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
I don't....

know why this as gone this far....talking about replacing brush holders.

You clean the holders and put new brushes in and dress the commutator with a stone.....unless a a holder is damaged somehow.

I've never had to replace the holders along with the brushes just because. No reason for me to look at detailed pics. It's like walking around the barn or going straight through it.

If he found the right size brushes with braided leads and nothing else, it would be easy to reuse the springs and attach to the holders in the same fashion as the OE setup.

Kevin


Post# 434461 , Reply# 44   11/1/2020 at 17:48 by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Post# 434499 , Reply# 45   11/2/2020 at 22:55 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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I mean, I'm with you there, Kevin. But apparently no one else is. I don't really know anything about these particular brush assemblies, but I *have* seen one type that is not possible to replace just the brush in the sleeve without destroying it. I was just offering general advice, in case these were something like that.

Post# 434508 , Reply# 46   11/3/2020 at 09:36 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Thanks.....

MM, but I just don't remember on the Diamond J....if the brushes are integral with the holders as a unit. Been some yrs since I was in one, but I don't remember this as an issue. If they were unobtainium or a real hassle to get, seems like I would remember it.

Kevin


Post# 434726 , Reply# 47   11/8/2020 at 18:16 by blknblu (CT)        

Wen through some old files, found this.
This is from a few years back.
Posting it to help future posts.
This information is no longer on the Helwig Carbon site.


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Post# 434745 , Reply# 48   11/9/2020 at 08:52 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
The brushes.....

I pictured on the left, up above, are very close to those measurements. So I'm guessing they are probably for a G. But it's the same design and were available as little as five yrs ago.

Thanks for posting the brush specs for Diamond J. Now, if we can find a source, we can put this thread to rest.

Kevin


Post# 434772 , Reply# 49   11/9/2020 at 22:07 by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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It's only 3/4" long, though. Is that enough?

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Post# 434783 , Reply# 50   11/10/2020 at 07:00 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Good....

question. The ones I pictured above are about 1.25" in length.

I don't remember length requirements because I bought brushes specific for Diamond J and never gave it a second thought. The motor in the Diamond J was a break from the traditional Elux motors, so you can't really compare.

Kevin





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