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Thread Number: 40493
/ Tag: Brand New Vacuum Cleaners
A Tier and Special tier vacuum brands |
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| Post# 430065 8/15/2020 at 12:10 (1,349 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 430123 , Reply# 2 8/15/2020 at 20:15 (1,349 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Lol
You have to take his videos with a grain of salt.
Hoover cordless is trash. Shark ION flex, Dyson's $600 cordless,riccar/simplicity volt, LG are the best cordless vacuums. The Miele I've heard is good too. You mention no one getting above a c grade or higher with a bagless. The rainbow, hyla, sebo and almost every central vacuum has a bagless system. Royals backpack vacuum is the new rebranded Hoover. The sanitaire is bissells and Hoover's commercial upright. I thought oreck got bought out. Sanitaire has the along with NSS and Proteam which I believe is owned by Emerson are the best commercial vacuums. Proteams backpack vacuum is one and sanitaire is two. He knows his stuff and I think he says things just for a reaction and it works great. He has plenty of threads that irk people. Nice video and screw Dyson. Sir Dyson is worth $12.7 billion dollars. He is still a douche. Les | ||
| Post# 430134 , Reply# 3 8/15/2020 at 23:14 (1,349 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 430149 , Reply# 6 8/16/2020 at 10:16 (1,348 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR) | ||
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Just curious, what is so special about Lindhaus vacuums ? | ||
| Post# 430165 , Reply# 8 8/16/2020 at 16:49 (1,348 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@kirby519 Think you're simply misinformed on the matter.
Kirby doesn't outperform very many vacuums in 2020. Most vacuums have double to triple the power now. The rubber belt causes inconsistent results something that everybody else has done away with as well. If we were talking pre G7 pre g10 I would agree with you and with their longevity. But post G10 Kirby's simply aren't lasting . There was a motor bearing issue made a lot of them die within 5 years . Consumers are no longer used to the dirty air fan so often once the fan is broken the machine is discarded. So much for longevity. Why would a consumer pay three four times the price for this machine in 2020 when many other machines will out clean it and Outlast it in the $500-1000 price range @ralph123 Has a great point about customer satisfaction most Kirby customers are dissatisfied with their machine after they purchase it. I recently bought a G3 because I like it late 19080s styling. Now folks two things can be true at once. #1 Kirby's are outdated,have below average performance and overpriced. #2 Kirby vacuums are a joy to use and collect for us folks on vacuumland. @ralph123 They've made top notch rather innovative products for years out of Italy. Unlike Miele and some of the other A Tier manufacturers they haven't had any recalls. No notable problems in quality or model issues. Truly an S tier brand that's underrated that continues innovate. | ||
Post# 430175 , Reply# 10 8/16/2020 at 20:35 (1,348 days old) by kloveland  (Tulsa) |
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I have a hard time reading and processing all this Kirby hate. Not saying it was mentioned on this thread. I remember reading someone on here said Kirbys were not deep carpet cleaners? Come on now, what???
I can literally see my Avalir lift the carpet off the floor and feel the vibration underneath my feet. I can see the argument it may be difficult for some users to switch between the different modes (canister/shampooer). After all of Vaclab's tests on airflow. I don't see how the numbers can lie. I've yet to find a bypass (clean air) machine that deep cleans carpet as well as my Kirbys. | ||
| Post# 430184 , Reply# 11 8/16/2020 at 22:28 (1,348 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hmm
I mentioned he likes to rile people up didn't I?
The avalir motor is supposed to have I'm guessing a different field to produce higher RPMs. If you buy an avalir take the motor out buy a replacement motor. They use the same motor g3-avalir2. I'd get an early sentria field on it. I'd pop front and rear motor bearings off. I'd go to a bearing wholesaler and get the best bearing available. I have a Kenmore elite upright. I believe it was a vacuum of the year by somebody. I have seen it rated at 150 CFM and I don't doubt it at all. It has no belt. I'm pretty sure it can pull the carpet off the tack strip. It's got very high agitation. I get highly agitated when using it. I pull it across the floor and hope it doesn't inhale a rug or little cat toy. I hate the vacuum. I use my c9 and cxl with Wessell werk ebk-360 power nozzle. It's rated 2.5 amps and has a geared belt. It's my daily driver and I love it. Kirby is pretty good at agitation. If it had a geared belt and a sensor to stop the brush roll it would help. Kirby is a complete machine and has everything you need. You could argue it's underpowered. You could call it efficient. Europe has a power limit of around 1200 watts. They use air-powered nozzles. If Kirby is 840 watts is take it over any 1200 watt air nozzle vacuum any day. I assume approximately 10 amps is the max output but 12 amps are usually the highest power of vacuums. It will clean as good as a Sebo or Miele. It's going to ruin more items than both competitors. It isn't going to filter anywhere near either of the competitors. Yet he knows all this and people are going to reply. It's like I've been here before. I may be in the twilight zone or somewhere else where I need new balance to comprehend this. Les | ||
| Post# 430191 , Reply# 12 8/16/2020 at 23:06 (1,348 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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ok Boomer
@kirby519 I'm not trying to be rude dude. But you're way out of touch with reality here.
Dirty air/direct air machines, fell out of favor for not having attachments, lack of power and having extra maintenance that was no longer necessary. Dude I like Kirby vacuums they're just not the end-all to the industry not even close. You start arguing from a place of authority, by saying you're whatever age. Then you go on to say something about "co-workers or boss following me on vacuumland". I'm very confused by the statement all together. Here's an FAQ video bring you back to reality a little bit. Maybe know who you're talking to? @kloveland We don't need to turn this into another thread about bills hillbilly science That's been discussed enough. You need both air flow and sealed vacuum numbers for a machine to clean well. The working vacuum in the machine is very low as a result. Numbers don't lie if you test all the numbers and not just masturbate to CFM. Also what bill doesn't understand and refuses to talk about are air flow paths. The shape of the Kirby nozzle& fan chamber is rather inefficient . The nozzle especially creates unnecessary turbulence with a brush spinning inside it. Again I'm not saying the Kirby doesn't clean I'm saying it's below average for what's available in 2020. | ||
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Post# 430194 , Reply# 13 8/16/2020 at 23:12 (1,348 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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I think the only issue with Kirby is their ability to innovate and move with the market. That and their sales tactics. They have a powerful, proven design that is great on carpet and has a wide array of attachments for many tasks. The problem is that the new consumer level is "LAZY". They won't want to take an extra 2 seconds to do anything!! The average consumer today expects everything at the drop of a hat with a quick touch of a button from their SmartPhone and since a Kirby can't be controlled from their smart phone and has turn locks and other "mechanical" things to do, they don't want it.
I sold for Filter Queen and Rainbow for a few years. I came across MANY Kirby homeowners. They all complained about the pushy sales tactics. Some tried saying NO, and the sales reps went out to the van then came back pushing gifts, some consumers mentioned having to call the police on them. Also many of the Kirby households had purchased Kenmore, Bissell or similar vacs as their main driver as they claimed that the Kirby was too heavy and complicated to use. I have very little Lindhaus experience but know they are highly reputed for excellent build quality and filtration. Many central vacuums have the Stealth power nozzle kit available, and that is a Lindhaus power nozzle. Hoover, Dirt Devil and Oreck are TTI. I keep hearing varying stories. Some say that Maytag was killing Hoover and when the sale was finalized to TTI, they literally had no documents or anything of the past. Some say TTI is slowly working to make Hoover great again. At the same time, since TTI acquired Hoover, they later acquired the other 3 companies and have infused Hoover designs into those company names. The Royal brand is gone. Their metal machines were good cleaners and lighter weight than Kirby but with fewer options. They also weren't pushed to a consumer like Kirby is with the In home demo. Dirt Devil was always meant to be a value based, budget friendly line. Oreck pushed that 8 pound design. I for one have always suffered from the leaks in the Oreck system from poor handle connections, poor bag dock, and not enough suction power to brush roll area, I've had allergy spasms with any Oreck upright I've ever used with in just a couple minutes of being turned on. Mieles are great!! I've only used a few but have been very impressed with their performance. Sebo/ Windsor I have a hard time with. They are very durable with great filtration. The brush roll removal system for cleaning is awesome. The new E series canister is extremely quiet with lots of airflow and suction. I also like that they actually offer full sized attachments. The D4 canister even has nice storage for all of the full sized attachments and with a 40' cord rewind system, it's the longest rewind I've ever heard of from canisters and uprights. It's when Sebos attempt to clean carpet that frustrates me. I have yet to run one that accomplishes that well and I would love to. I did a sand test at a vac shop. A Miele SEB 228 and SEB 236 power nozzle really bounced the sand making an tornado like effect on the carpet and all the sand was gone in a couple passes. With the Sebo that wasn't the case at all. 20 passes trying various brush rolls and the carpet looked filthy. A Riccar Prima canister with standard Riccar power nozzle cleaned up in one pass what the Sebo couldn't in 20. Even a Hoover Spirit canister with the smaller more basic Quadraflex PowerMatic that was in the vac shop for a visit proved better performance and stronger agitation and the Spirit was Hoover's least powerful suction unit for a power team. | ||
| Post# 430205 , Reply# 14 8/17/2020 at 01:08 (1,348 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@Durango159
I see you are a man of culture as well.
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Post# 430213 , Reply# 15 8/17/2020 at 09:17 (1,347 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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| Post# 430221 , Reply# 17 8/17/2020 at 11:04 (1,347 days old) by KirbyG6 (York) | ||
I was really looking forward to seeing the avalir but when I saw it for the first time I was disappointed all that excitement just to see a new shampooer and a big hole in the handle I wasn’t very impressed that’s what I like about other manufacturers they seam to keep innovating whilst Kirby just thinks a a colour change will do
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| Post# 430231 , Reply# 18 8/17/2020 at 12:35 (1,347 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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@kloveland It would definitely seem powerful if you compared it to trash like that.
I don't know if you follow my channel much? But I tend to test medium to high-end machines. But even some of the basic Hoover's will out clean a Kirby. It's been like that for a long time too. @ralph123 I like that "one-trick Kirby pony" @KirbyG6 I'm glad I wasn't the only one disappointed by a hole in the handle of a vacuum. | ||
| Post# 430287 , Reply# 19 8/18/2020 at 23:06 (1,346 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Disappointment | ||
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Post# 430369 , Reply# 20 8/20/2020 at 23:40 (1,344 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Does anyone remember the thread on this site a few years back just before the Avalir release??
Everyone knew that a model change was coming. The Sentria had a very long run. People anticipated a change and were stoked. Then the Sentria II came out and we saw only color changes. Many were mad. Some couldn't believe that the Sentria II came out not long before the 100 year Anniversary but then the figured well small change now to ramp us up for a huge change. Then people knew that the 100 year Anniversary was coming up and there was a long thread of all the imaginations of many with various claims... electrified hose for running a mini power head like a Lux upright or power head under the beds, on board tools, lesser weight, clean air design, brush less motor....yada yada yada. The Avalir hit the market and it was like 70% of those who posted were heartbroken while the 30% were thrilled. Yes, it was different but not different enough to many. | ||
| Post# 430405 , Reply# 23 8/22/2020 at 08:50 (1,342 days old) by Scvacuumguy (SC) | ||
I think this guy is just trying to upset most folks. The list includes no longer made vacuums, and quite frankly, he doesn’t really know what he’s talking about...if you really want to know vacuums, go to a vacuum store that shows signs of success, has employees who have been doing this for years, and deals with the repair, sales, and maintenance of many vacuums on a daily basis. Kirby has not changed their front motor bearing since the 90’s and I’ve never seen one with a bad bearing after 5 years...we repair around 30 Kirby machines per month between two stores.
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| Post# 430418 , Reply# 24 8/22/2020 at 12:15 (1,342 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Post# 430427 , Reply# 26 8/22/2020 at 19:38 (1,342 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree) |
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@beagledad, You forgot to mention that your Miele will also reach under most pieces of furniture, which is another huge plus. | ||
| Post# 430430 , Reply# 27 8/22/2020 at 22:42 (1,342 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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Post# 430452 , Reply# 29 8/23/2020 at 09:26 (1,341 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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central vacuums Central vacuums are awesome, I have several units and use them all without pipes, it's awesome power, you cannot go wrong with a central vacuum. Mike | ||
| Post# 430469 , Reply# 30 8/23/2020 at 13:16 (1,341 days old) by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell ) | ||
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| Post# 430526 , Reply# 33 8/24/2020 at 02:42 (1,341 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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Post# 430529 , Reply# 34 8/24/2020 at 06:33 (1,340 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC) |
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Yes,the central vacs in my collection don't have "pipes" just use the 50ft hose in the utility inlets-or make an inlet for the hose to fit into. | ||
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Post# 430554 , Reply# 35 8/24/2020 at 18:04 (1,340 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States) |
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cirrus vacuum I've thought about getting a Cirrus canister, as far as I know this one is their top of the line model and it sounds really nice. Mike CLICK HERE TO GO TO n0oxy's LINK | ||
| Post# 430578 , Reply# 37 8/24/2020 at 23:24 (1,340 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY) | ||
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I can imagine
that would be extremely powerful! I'm trying to imagine a setup like that.
About Cirrus. I don't use any of the attachments that comes with it. They stay on board never touched, because I have the 12 foot hose attachment kit. So basically, the upright is like a canister. I just pop the hose off and connect it to the 12 foot hose, pop attachments on and clean. the HEPA bags are great and don't leak. The chamber is super clean and takes many months for me to have to change a bag. For example: November will be 2 years I've had it and I'm still on my 1st pack of bags with 2 bags left. Occasionally, when the bag starts to emit that stale smell, I suck up a bit of activated charcoal and the next time I turn the vac on, zero smell for a few weeks until I have to do it again. The ONLY thing that's breaking on my Cirrus is the squeegee on the bottom...more like it's tearing from friction of vacuuming...but the vacuum itself has powerful suction. I haven't had to change the HEPA filter on it either. To me, it's a big step up from walmart vacuums, but obviously it's not a super premium vacuum either. But it's definitely a happy medium. I can't comment on the canister. | ||
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