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Post# 413342   9/3/2019 at 15:06 (309 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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What do you think will come after the Avalir 2? I

Post# 413344 , Reply# 1   9/3/2019 at 16:15 (309 days old) by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

Must be like trying to redesign a racehorse. They've got a winning formula and they're reluctant to change any part of it.
Is there really much difference between any of the recent Kirbys? Other than bag colour?
Don't get me wrong, I like them, but I'd be hard-pressed to explain the differences between say a G4 and an Avalir 2.

Post# 413345 , Reply# 2   9/3/2019 at 16:18 (309 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah I think it must be really boring working at Kirby just making the same machine over and over again

Post# 413351 , Reply# 3   9/3/2019 at 20:52 (309 days old) by Juju93 (florida)        

Yeah about at lease with a g4 and avalir 2 you can see the difference other than bag and color change. But if you think of it, and I know Iíve express this a lot models sentria (2006) up to the current Avalir 2 have literally looked the same. The only difference is the color and name, other than that theyíre basically identical in terms of use, sounds and functions. I do hope they change the look and sound of the Kirby, because if I see another sentria recolored and renamed again Iím loosing all hope in Kirby. Hell Theyíve even closed down the only service center in town. But hereís what I would like to see in the future Kirby:
Quieter operation (because the current design is way to loud on hard surface floors)
Lighter weight
Longer cord
But most importantly: no more looking like a 2006 sentria with a new color and
Also new optional accessories to purchase, maybe bring back the handi butler as well as the carpet rake.

Post# 413358 , Reply# 4   9/4/2019 at 03:25 (308 days old) by superocd (PNW US)        

Personally I'd like to see them drop Tech Drive and revert back to a modern take on the 500 series/Dual Sanitronic. Squeeze the current G3-Avalir II motor into a replica of the classic 500 series shell, transfer over the fancase and emptor from the Sentria/Avalir (since that configuration affords the best airflow out of all the Kirby machines), perhaps optimize the old-style floor nozzle to maintain or beat the current standing of 150 CFM, and they would have a winner. While the G series machines are great (I have an Avalir and used to have a Sentria I) I think that it's time to bid adieu to the design and revert back to their roots. I have a Legend and a DS50 and neither of them have Tech Drive yet are still easy to maneuver, plus there isn't a parasitic loss in the form of the motor having to send power to the wheels via a transmission in addition to the fan and brushroll.

Of course I don't think that the above will happen as people are fickle and would turn down a perfectly good vacuum because it looks like it's from the 60s. They already have one strike against them for having an outer cloth bag -- for too many people these days, a cloth bag equals old tech even though a machine equipped with one typically outperforms basically everything sold at Target, Walmart, Sears, Best Buy, and so on. People in general do not care to educate themselves on the technology behind their appliances, cars, and so on. They just buy what looks cool. Having them bring back something like a modernized Dual Sanitronic 50 may turn off a lot of would be buyers, so the rational side of me says maybe it would be cool for enthusiasts and open minded people but not the general public.

At the same time, I feel that maybe Kirby should keep on going with the G series design -- there's nothing bad about the G series, it's just that Tech Drive isn't all that necessary. The advantages are that it does work well, it is time tested and parts are more or less interchangeable from model to model. One more iteration of the Gxx/Sentria/Avalir only means more parts for the forseeable future.

Post# 413359 , Reply# 5   9/4/2019 at 03:29 (308 days old) by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

A hose attachment port (bayonet style) where the belt-lifter is now? Turn the belt-lifter to disengage the roller, and the port aligns to accept the hose?
On-board hose storage with basic tools? Removing and attaching the head each time is a pain.

Post# 413360 , Reply# 6   9/4/2019 at 08:59 (308 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I don't really care what the next Kirby looks like as long as it's made of metal and doesn't contain a bunch of self-destructing circuit boards. The next new thing is of minimal importance to me because I won't be buying it before it's the next old thing, anyway. And if I'm truly honest with myself, I have more than enough high quality Kirby and Electrolux vacuums at my house to last me a lifetime and then some.

As for the idea of deleting the Tech Drive, I honestly can't see Kirby doing that. It's been integral to their design for three decades and is their answer to the criticism that their machines are too heavy, which is a major turnoff for many people. It would make as much sense as Cadillac suddenly deciding to quit including automatic transmissions, cruise control, power windows, seats, steering, etc. on their cars.

Post# 413365 , Reply# 7   9/4/2019 at 09:44 (308 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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I would love to see another Kirby in green.

Post# 413368 , Reply# 8   9/4/2019 at 10:05 (308 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

Kirby needs to have 2 models instead of one, at least while they transition to a more modern machine. they need to keep the current upright design with some improvements for the diehard fans. But they also need something with on board tools that is more modern for everyone else. While the classic Kirby cleans carpet very well, many users seem to hate using them. I've mentioned before the dismal owner satisfaction ratings of Kirby's by their owners in Consumer Reports.

Post# 413372 , Reply# 9   9/4/2019 at 11:47 (308 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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I think they should take a two-model approach. Have a lightweight, modernized rendition of the older 500 series for the bottom of the line, and a new G-Series for the top of the line. I'm sure customers would appreciate a lighter Kirby like the old 500 series was. Hell, even some plasticrap machines are heavier than the old 500 series Kirby.

Post# 413378 , Reply# 10   9/4/2019 at 17:00 (308 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, MO)        

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Kirby is never going to have two models at the same time. Not going to happen. You have to think about how it's sold. The door to door salesman has two jobs. Get into the house at any cost. Number two: make them unhappy with the vacuum they have now. That's it. Their entire job. The more unhappy they are with their present vac, the more likely they will be to buy a new machine. Can you imagine having two models in the van with 10 salesmen who are out canvasing neighborhoods?

Salesmen in general last a very short while. To get them to remember the features of ONE machine is almost impossible, much less two. Just in the US alone, Kirby is selling about 30,000 units per month. Probably none to vacuum collectors, which is why they don't care about making anything 'vintage'.

I have a good friend who does the repair work for the largest Kirby distributor in a Southern state. He sends me pictures of the trade ins so I can pick out what I want him to bring me. The vast majority of cleaners traded in on a new Kirby are cheap plastic vacuums - not old Kirbys. Maybe because old Kirbys are owned by people who don't want to let a Kirby salesman back in.

Post# 413379 , Reply# 11   9/4/2019 at 17:25 (308 days old) by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

I guess it'd take quite a few years to forget the Kirby Salesman. Especially when you're still paying for the last one.

Post# 413380 , Reply# 12   9/4/2019 at 17:42 (308 days old) by broomvac (N/A)        

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I think Kirby would do well with a large, independently powered direct drive (think Panasonic) brush roll which activates whenever you lean the handle back. We all know that an aggressive brush roll can ďpullĒ a vacuum along; why not have this direct drive brush change direction of rotation to help pull/push the vacuum with each stroke. You could also deactivate it with the flip of a switch for bare floor cleaning.

For wet cleaning, slide off the regular carpet body/drum and install one dedicated to shampooing. Since itís independently driven, the suction motor could be switched off altogether.

This system could also enable onboard tools, something Kirby needs.

Post# 413389 , Reply# 13   9/4/2019 at 19:23 (308 days old) by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

We Vacuum Collectors, Service-Engineers, and those of us who refurbish older machines, are not Kirby's intended target market, but I can't help thinking manufacturers would benefit from asking for improvement ideas here, or maybe running questionnaires/polls? They do seem to be somewhat insulated.

Post# 413390 , Reply# 14   9/4/2019 at 19:25 (308 days old) by vaclab (Pickerington, Ohio)        
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From Alan, at least performance-wise. I might make a video more fully explaining this, but it may very well be that the "Tech Drive" is the most important piece of engineering in modern Kirbys.

Think about this:

With the Tech Drive, a HUGE amount of CFM forced deep down into pile carpet is made usable and gives the best airflow I've ever measured through a medium pile carpet. Removing the Tech Drive would mean either the nozzle would have to be made significantly larger to decrease the airflow density and/or the CFM would have to be decreased from 150-ish to maybe 90-ish.

And if you believe going back 50 years to a high CFM, lightweight, small nozzle machine like a D80, think again IF you have lots of wall-to-wall pile carpet. My 125 CFM fully refurbished D80 is UNUSABLE in such a situation due to the "suction cup" effect, even if I place the height adjustment on position "4" and open the relief valve.


Post# 413391 , Reply# 15   9/4/2019 at 19:28 (308 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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If they incorporated vacuum into bypass motor. If they did that it would have tools built in and it could incorporate a lift away.
I'd love a d80 color scheme. I doubt any of these will happen.

Post# 413401 , Reply# 16   9/4/2019 at 21:01 (308 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA)        

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Honestly, going retro might not be a bad move for Kirby. Their machine already looks like a dated machine that's been prettied-up - to the regular consumer, that is. They might as well go all the way and make it look as retro as possible, while keeping all the current features. At minimum, they would keep their current market, and at best, they'd get new customers that like a bit of nostalgia.

Post# 413402 , Reply# 17   9/4/2019 at 21:20 (308 days old) by Rowdy141 (Biryani)        

Hi Bill,
Thank-you so much for your reasoned, easy-to-follow, explanation. I've seen so many of those YouTube videos you refer to and, quite frankly, been none the wiser afterwards.

Can I ask you; Is "The Suction Cup Effect" where the brushroll head sucks so hard to the carpet, that air isn't effectively flowing through the system, and out of the bag?

That sounds like the bit I couldn't get my head around with the Tradition and Fill-tube assembly? Is this why people regard the tube as too narrow? It has suction, but not throughput?


BTW: Well done for sitting crossed-legged for so long. I have a couple of years on you and it was making my knees hurt just watching 😀

Post# 413403 , Reply# 18   9/4/2019 at 21:27 (308 days old) by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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If they are selling 30,000 units a month--think about that for a moment--30,000 vacuums in one month. Lets see that would be 360,000 Kirbys a year! With those kind of numbers why would they be motivated to change a thing?

I'm not sure what that would translate to in gross sales but they seem to be going strong and have costs under control.

When I was still active in the vacuum business I was dumbfounded by the number of people that bought them NEW, used them for maybe 12 months and then put them in the back of a closet and bought some cheap plastic dustblower for ease of use.

We tend to super analyze vacuums and the average buyer doesn't see them as anything more than a toaster or blender or coffee maker. If an emotional pitched sale with a pretty vacuum and good demo takes place--a sale is made whether they need the vacuum or not.

Post# 413404 , Reply# 19   9/4/2019 at 21:28 (308 days old) by juju93 (florida)        

As long as they change the headlight thing as well as the shape of the belt lifter and reduce the noise and weight thats all i really care about. I say this because the past 4 models, yes thats right 4, have had the same belt lifter shape and the same 3 LED headcap. Its time to change it up, come up with something new.

I mean shoot if rainbow can come up with a new model design and platform after 8 years, shoot kirby can do the same thing.... Anything is possible. And if kirby is releasing a new "design" please release it soon, because i cant stand to see another sentria/ avalir another year.

Post# 413412 , Reply# 20   9/5/2019 at 02:14 (307 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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I know itís boring and annoying and the G3 is going to be 30 years old next year

Post# 413413 , Reply# 21   9/5/2019 at 03:09 (307 days old) by beagledad (Florida)        

Why not just go back to the Heritage style? It was light enough and no one seemed to complain about pushing and pulling it. The tech drive always seemed unnecessary to me. Without the extra weight of that transmission it wouldn't be needed.

Just give it some modern styling, remove the hose port, and give it a lifetime belt. Include a small canister (Miele C2 size) vacuum for bare floors and above floor cleaning.

Post# 413418 , Reply# 22   9/5/2019 at 09:21 (307 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I met with some fire and brimstone from the Kirby "die-hards" the last time I posted regarding this subject about how the Generation platform is tried and true, and Kirby WON'T come up with a new machine until they can come up with a better design. I myself feel 30 years is too long and the Avalir 2 is essentially a Generation 3 in drag. Yes, the Tech Drive makes the machine easier to push, but only when its plugged in. What about carrying it up and down stairs? I would welcome a lighter machine that's still all-aluminum.

Post# 413423 , Reply# 23   9/5/2019 at 10:20 (307 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

Kirby has a formula that is working for them. I don't see them changing! I don't see them compromising their sales.

Post# 413424 , Reply# 24   9/5/2019 at 10:27 (307 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

We were told at the factory that Kirby did not want to make changes to their design if it meant compromising cleaning ability. Sorry, I need to upgrade my membership to edit my previous post. I wanted to add that.

Post# 413425 , Reply# 25   9/5/2019 at 11:05 (307 days old) by juju93 (florida)        

If kirby wants to keep the G-series platform thats fine, just makes some (if not a lot) of changes. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only person that thinks its noisy as hell when using it on hard surface floors, so kirby can work on making it quieter. I'm also sure that they can come up with a new belt lifter design as well as headlight cap too, even if it means adding more LED lights to it. And if anyone in the kirby company reads these forums, here are the ideas. Part of me thinks they do have something planned but their not releasing it till they can perfect it, that way it can outclean the current avalir/ G-series machine. I just wonder what their going to call this new machine/platform and for crying outloud can they please bring back the video owners manual. Them short how to videos and cutting it for me, and probably for a lot of other people either. Idk what they where thinking when they released the avalir 2 and didn't release a dvd owners manual for it. So thats another thing I'd like to see with a new kirby, even if it is a Gseries machine. Because lets be honest, nobody reads the freaking book when they have the dvd to watch.

Post# 413434 , Reply# 26   9/5/2019 at 15:48 (307 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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I guess we will all have to wait to see it

Post# 413435 , Reply# 27   9/5/2019 at 16:06 (307 days old) by Juju93 (florida)        

The way I see it is like this
1st generation ran from 1935-1970
2nd generation 1970-1990
3rd generation 1990-present
What Iím basically getting at is this; whenever a new decade or era starts is when Kirby has release a new platform. Granted they couldíve done something back in 2010 but probably didnít want to due to the 100th anniversary being so close. Now that weíre heading into 2020 (hard to believe) we should be getting something new soon. Another hint is also this, and Iíve said it in previous chat forums. Whenever Kirby releases a model with a 2 in it, it seems as if it means 2 years till something new. Take for example the model that came out in 1989 which was the legend 2, well a year or so later the G3 came out. Then fast forward to 2012 when the sentria 2 came out, and then 2 years later the avalir did. And now we have the avalir 2 (realistically sentria 4) and itís been out for day a year and a half. So Iím assuming based off of that, that we can expect something to happen from Kirby within the next year or so, hopefully sooner.

Post# 413437 , Reply# 28   9/5/2019 at 16:39 (307 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah it does seem like after very 2 model something new does happen so hopefully it will be interesting and not black lol

Post# 413439 , Reply# 29   9/5/2019 at 17:09 (307 days old) by Juju93 (florida)        

Ainít that the truth.
Iím really hoping for a blue Kirby with white accent pieces. Kind of like that limited edition Kitchenaid, which is in misty blue or maybe something in the light blue category. Maybe even baby blue

Post# 413440 , Reply# 30   9/5/2019 at 17:31 (307 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah I That would be cool

Post# 413466 , Reply# 31   9/6/2019 at 12:49 (306 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

With all of the great neighborhood web sites and social media to warn people about Kirby & other door to door salespersons being in the neighborhood, I'm surprised they can still get in houses. On my local nextdoor site, the comments were about being sure to have a no solicitors sign and to not let them in the door because "Kirby sucks in a bad way". Who is still letting them in the door? I can't imagine anyone who has a lot of hard floors even considering a Kirby.

Kirby may be a great vacuum for deep carpet, but it's bulky and lacks on board tools. The sales pitch seems to be to bully the consumer into buying the product whether they want it or not. I wonder how many returns they would have per month if they had a more reasonable 30-day return policy versus the 72-hours?

Post# 413467 , Reply# 32   9/6/2019 at 13:57 (306 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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I really hope I'm wrong here, but in New York Kirby isn't doing well. The number of distributors is diminishing and I think they're gonna get the full mileage out of that Generation platform until they close their doors. We may see another variation or two of the Generation series before they shudder completely but I don't think we'll ever see a completely new model again...

Post# 413480 , Reply# 33   9/7/2019 at 00:23 (305 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

One thing you can't argue is that Kirby and Rainbow haven't compromised their principles. Neither has sold out to a conglomerate like TTI.

Unlike so many other at one time popular brands. No one other than the purchaser decides what the machine is worth to them.

Unlike the biggest retailer in the United State. (We all know who that is) That tells the manufacturers what price point they will pay per unit to be sold in one of their stores.

The days of purchasing a quality piece of equipment are gone for those who don't feel the need for a Kirby or Rainbow and at one time Electrolux. There was a time when Hoovers were not only affordable to the masses they were also well made and reliable. The Kenmore line was also very well made and reliable as well as cost efficient to the masses.

Today's generation simply can not function without having a product improved or redesigned every 12 months to throw away money on. Today's generation wasn't taught about value and longevity. They did not suffer thru one or both world wars. A depression where the masses lost everything and struggled daily just to see another day. They have no concept of what true hardship is. They only know the benefits of the post war years when things were better because of two income family's. Today's generation has never had to do with out.

Kirby and Rainbow have survived for decades with out having to completely redesign their products. As many of you gripe about. They are still here producing their product true to form as they have for decades. As you may have noticed the models that are coveted from the past and are still spoken highly of are no longer available. Now said companies have sold out to one large conglomerate that cheapened up products to be disposable with in 2 - 3 years and most of all you can't purchase the one part that is needed to make the machine usable. P.S.True beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

Bottom line is no one is forcing you to buy it.

I for one will stick with what has been tried and true to me for over 48 years. Anyone that wants my share of today's over priced unreliable and or disposable equipment is welcome to my share.

Post# 413481 , Reply# 34   9/7/2019 at 00:52 (305 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        
@Oreck XL

Part of the Kirby's down sizing dealers is the change in floor coverings. Many home owners have gone to hard surface floors. Thus no real need for a vacuum that can suck the dust mites out from under the sissel mats on the floors in china at the same time they are vacuuming the carpet in their own living room. There is very little carpeting to vacuum.

Another reason is the on going contracted sales force that rapes and pillages anyone they come in contact with. Therefor giving Kirby a bad name. The Kirby company will and has shut down ruthless sales teams. we have lost A few dealers here for that reason alone.

Most don't realize They can name their own price with in reason. They are not at the local Walmart where the price is the price. Unless of course a competitor has a better price the same product they will price match.

In 1987 I bought a new Kirby for $650.00 the vacuum itself, above floor cleaning tools, shampooer and zip brush. The "suggested list price was $1,100.00 for the machine and above floor tools. My ace in the hole was I already knew what I was getting (been using Kirby's since 1969) and that you can in fact bargain with the sales man for a better price.

Incredibly It is still here today and performs as well as the day I bought it. Imagine that.

Post# 413490 , Reply# 35   9/7/2019 at 09:15 (305 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        

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It is a tried and true design, I will give you that. But could any other consumer product soldier on virtually unchanged for the past THIRTY years? Probably not. Take for instance, the automotive industry. Would you buy a car that looks essentially the same as the 1990 model if there are other choices out there? Probably not. I was as much a fan of the Generation 3 when it came out in 1990 as anyone else in the forum, as I was the G4, G5, G6, and so on. But, by 2014 (dovetailed with the centennial of Kirby) I expected something truly revolutionary again. That didn't happen. I saw prototype drawings on this very site of a totally new Kirby. When I saw that the Avalir was just another warmed-over Generation series machine it was a bit of a disappointment. And let's face it. The G-series IS a dated design, and the Tech Drive DOES make the machine heavier to lift up and down stairs. I think people would really like to see 12-inch "granny head" again and yours truly would love to see an on/off switch in the handle (as the prototype drawings indicated). If the Kirby salesman were to come to my house, I'd pull out my Generation 3 and ask point blank "okay, so what really IS the difference?" The answer, purely cosmetic.

Post# 413492 , Reply# 36   9/7/2019 at 09:59 (305 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Quite true. I've often said that Kirby's biggest competitor is itself. Why would anyone step up to a brand new Kirby's four-figure pricetag when you can go down to you local thrift store and pick a nice one up, a few years old, with all its accessories for less than the price of a new plasticrap vac at Wallyworld? My barely used gray and orange Sentria was a hell of a lot better value at $110 than a brand new Avalir that would have cost me 10-15 times as much. I'd much rather take advantage of a somewhat saturated second hand market.

Post# 413493 , Reply# 37   9/7/2019 at 11:22 (305 days old) by dysonman1 (Rolla, MO)        
The Kirby has changed

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so much in 100 years of making them. Not. Model 1C on the left, 100th Anniversary Avalir on the right. Generation after Generation.

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Post# 413501 , Reply# 38   9/7/2019 at 14:37 (305 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Itís changed quite a bit then

Post# 413524 , Reply# 39   9/7/2019 at 20:56 (305 days old) by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
colors etc

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With minor but constant airflow improvements due to brushroll design, emptor redesigns, bag technology, fill tube diameter and construction changes, and finally a slightly higher spinning motor . But, everyone is basically correct with their statements....its almost same vacuum since 1990.

I was talking with a Kirby technician and salesman for 35+ years....he told me from what he knew of the ownership/engineering aspect of the company....they HAVE tested moving the attachments onto the handle area and several other changes.....and that they won't manufacture a 'new' Kirby unless its better performing than the existing one. IF all that's true, it certainly adds ammo to the understanding of WHY its still basically the same vacuum.

ideas to ponder....

Post# 413534 , Reply# 40   9/7/2019 at 22:47 (304 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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That's an impressive pic. The vacuum looks aerodynamically different but same uniform style. The belt lifter came in 1946 but that's 72 years ago. Small things but like you said they haven't changed much and they won't.
Beautiful 1c or 2c.

Post# 413562 , Reply# 41   9/8/2019 at 12:05 (304 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211)        
They've had long enough to develop a new design....

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We know that the Generation 3 was in the works since at least the days of the Heritage II (ala the Prometheus). And rolled it out on the 20th anniversary of the Classic platform. I hope by the 30th anniversary of the Generation 3 next year they have something new and revolutionary.

Post# 413566 , Reply# 42   9/8/2019 at 13:16 (304 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Hopefully fingers crossed

Post# 413571 , Reply# 43   9/8/2019 at 14:25 (304 days old) by Juju93 (florida)        

Well if they read these forums then they can take some ideas and roll with it. Like it shouldnít be hard. If rainbow can improve on the E2 Black and come out with the new SRX then Kirby can do something, besides a new shampooer.

Post# 413588 , Reply# 44   9/8/2019 at 20:37 (304 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Rainbow was long over due to increase the airflow and suction power of the vacuum. According to what has been posted here there is supposed to be a 30% increase.

A light bulb in the water pan hardly improves it's over all performance. I for one wasn't impressed by the redesign of the power head.

I would like to see the Kirby loose some weight. How ever I don't want a plastic vacuum either. I would like to see the Dual sanitronic make a come back with today's performance.

Post# 413606 , Reply# 45   9/9/2019 at 01:57 (303 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I don't want a Kirby with the hose and tools onboard-will just make the machine even MORE heavy,clunky,awkward and less useable.I don't use the Kirby hose hardly at all-and funny use the attachments on OTHER vacuums!In general don't like hose and tool on board uprights.And sometimes you leave a trail of tools you have to go back and pick up when they fall off.NO THANKS!Kirby has reached the peak as to how good they are going to be-NOT BROKE----DON'T FIX IT!!I can agree a new machine based on the older designs would be good to try.

Post# 413607 , Reply# 46   9/9/2019 at 02:37 (303 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

DO NOT want the direct drive brushroll-these motor in the brushrolls are plagued with expensive failures.You have to replace the WHOLE THING-otherwise its just a few dollar belt.Take the belt anytime!When the motor in the roll was really popular seen PILES of these rolls in vac shop junkpiles-along with the vacuums they went to when the customer bought a conventional belt driven brush from the vac delaer in a NEW machine.

Post# 413627 , Reply# 47   9/9/2019 at 15:30 (303 days old) by mmcphee (Lisbon Falls, Maine)        
Electric Attachments?

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For me, I think they should bring the of the pre-Sentria Kirby back and add some electric attachments. All they would have to do is add a power take-off socket on the side of the vacuum and make an electrified hose. That way they could offer an electric power nozzle and an electric version of the Zippbrush. Once they do that, all they would have to do it make it an optional accessory and call it the Electric Attachment Set. Kirby wouldn't even have to make the electric nozzles themselves. All they would have to do is purchase them through Wessel-Werk (EBK 360 perhaps) and then slap their names on them like every other vacuum manufacturer. That way, you can use your Kirby to get under low pieces of furniture (a magical concept in the world of Kirby) They should also bring back the normal/delicate switch that made its appearance and exit on the Diamond Edition.

They should also drop the black color scheme and come up with something different. Another thing that might be an interesting feature would be a retractable power cord. Take what a Kirby used to be in the Generation Series and add some new features that they haven't tried before.

Post# 413630 , Reply# 48   9/9/2019 at 17:28 (303 days old) by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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Yeah I think black is a boring colour I would like to see a yellow one again or the purple we sore on the g5

Post# 413631 , Reply# 49   9/9/2019 at 18:28 (303 days old) by Juju93 (florida)        

Also scale down the overall size of the carpet shampooer. Itís too bulky and canít get into tight spaces.

Post# 413634 , Reply# 50   9/9/2019 at 20:23 (303 days old) by superocd (PNW US)        
Re: the carpet shampooer

I think that it would be cool to change from the "dry" method (suds) to an actual extractor by upgrading the motor, fan and fancase to handle direct water contact. A modified shampooer head could incorporate the extraction nozzle and brush in one unit. The collection tank could be a part of a different handle specifically for carpet extraction mode, which could also incorporate the solution reservoir, pump/regulator, controls and hot water inlet (no "clean water" tank, just get it from the source). Perhaps this would be the second best thing to using a truckmount service or a true commercial grade extractor.

Post# 413635 , Reply# 51   9/9/2019 at 20:59 (303 days old) by luxlife (Under a Pecan Tree)        
I think the rug renovator would be a great CRB design...

That is, if they can make the modifications to it. CRB stands for Counter Rotating Brushes, which is the basis of the Host carpet cleaning platform, Whittakerís LOMAC platform and plenty of other brands that emphasize low moisture and encapsulation for carpet cleaning. It would totally revolutionize that attachment for Kirby.

Post# 413638 , Reply# 52   9/9/2019 at 21:51 (302 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)        

I think they should design a canister and corner the market. I use my Kirby for bi-day whip outs, and when I really get in the cleaning mode, use the Aerus Guardian cause its easier to switch from carpet mode to hose mode.


Post# 413647 , Reply# 53   9/10/2019 at 01:45 (302 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Kirby canister-wouldn't that be from their Douglas division?Retract cord on the Kirby-drather stick with what they have-I just don't like cordreels on uprights.The powered attachments sounds nice.How bout replacing the foam carpet cleaner with a true dry one using Host or Capture.There could be an attachment to spread and work those in-than the regular nozzle and reusable dump bag to pick the powder back up in.

Post# 413663 , Reply# 54   9/10/2019 at 15:30 (302 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
These are reasons

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why people like vacuum collectors would be a great source for vac manufacturers. We know these cleaners, use them, love/hate them.
Wouldn't you love to sit down with "Research and Development" at these companies?

Post# 413715 , Reply# 55   9/12/2019 at 11:01 (300 days old) by mmcphee (Lisbon Falls, Maine)        
Dual Motors?

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Another thing that Kirby could do to change up the Generation Series might infuriate some people is make the power nozzle electric. That way, the main motor could focus on raw suction and self propel and that way, It might be able to produce more airflow.

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