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Thread Number: 38516
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Kirby Ratchet Pedal Problem - How To Fix? |
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Post# 409660 5/21/2019 at 23:44 (1,801 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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How do you resolve the problem of the toe-touch control (front wheel bracket shaft) going down all the way when you attempt to adjust downward? Could it be a problem with the ratchet teeth or with the ratchet spring?
I am presently facing this problem on my 1972 Classic. One solution I might think of doing would be to stretch the spring but slightly. Another would be to get a new ratchet spring (1331). What do you guys think is a long-term solution, other than replacing the front wheel bracket shaft? ~Ben | ||
| Post# 409662 , Reply# 1 5/21/2019 at 23:55 (1,801 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
Ben
I had the same problem with my g6. I asked Kent oyler he said once in a while they don't work. I can't remember but he said replace with a new one. I tried switching out everything but it just didn't work. I believe grooves wear and pushing dowvn strains axle. It's weird but replacing is only true remedy.
Les | ||
| Post# 409665 , Reply# 2 5/22/2019 at 02:20 (1,800 days old) by huskyvacs (Gnaw Bone, Indiana) | ||
Les is right. Before I became a vacuum collector and I was looking up how to fix the wheel on a Ultimate G Kirby, I remember reading a post about the foot pedal and front wheel. The person said that once the front wheel falls off, or the toe-touch pedal stops locking into place, they will never work properly again and will just break again later if a repair is attempted. The only way to fix them is to replace the entire part with a fresh one.
It has something to do with wear on the metal due to heavy use or rough care. I guess it is a similar thing to how the belt spindle on a Hoover Convertible can wear down to an hourglass shape just from friction of the belt over several decades. One of those weird times a part will wear out microscopically and very slowly. | ||
| Post# 409672 , Reply# 3 5/22/2019 at 13:54 (1,800 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
One solution | ||
| Post# 409678 , Reply# 4 5/22/2019 at 16:36 (1,800 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Yes
But the tension of pressure when you use the toe touch doesn't go anywhere it basically flexes the axle which leads to more problems. I have a bunch of Kirby's around 50 but only 20 right now. It only happened once it's a fluke but switch out off parts machine or order new one.
Good luck been. Not that you need it. It feels nice for once to have the answer to one of your questions. Les | ||
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Post# 409681 , Reply# 5 5/22/2019 at 17:19 (1,800 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Lesinutah | ||
| Post# 409686 , Reply# 6 5/22/2019 at 20:54 (1,800 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Ben
You have to replace axle and whole toe touch assembelly. It bows the metal it's hard to explain but all the parts are Carnage basically all needing replaced. Be sure to take wheels off the bowing could crack the wheels. In my case it cracked the wheels. It took me the longest time to get good at installing toe touch. I seriously had no idea what I was doing. I called Kent he laughed at me and explained how. I also had issues taking bags off and twisting emtors. I'm well versed now but the toe touch springs would fly across the room. This was when I managed to ruin the cr1 cb1 and cb3. I learned a lot of what not to do.
The issue now is taking off g series belt lifter and reinstalling. Those wVy washers get me. If you need parts let me know I think I have a few extra axles and complete toe touch assembelies. Les | ||
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Post# 409707 , Reply# 8 5/23/2019 at 19:07 (1,799 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Problem Solved!
The problem I was facing with my axle (131669S) ended up being with the inside teeth and not the ratchet lock (133069). As it turns out, the inside teeth were grounded away from years and years of use.
I hence switched to the 131673S axle, which still had good inside teeth, and the action is perfect again! ~Ben
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Post# 409712 , Reply# 10 5/23/2019 at 21:48 (1,799 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Louvac | ||
| Post# 409714 , Reply# 11 5/23/2019 at 22:28 (1,799 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey | ||
| Post# 409733 , Reply# 12 5/24/2019 at 10:54 (1,798 days old) by Louvac (A) | ||
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The reason why The reason why you don't want to grease the height control mechanism is because the grease is what causes the slipping. This is what I have been told. Greasing the mechanism would also attract more carpet fuzz and dirt to stick to the metal. | ||
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Post# 409742 , Reply# 13 5/24/2019 at 15:19 (1,798 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Louvac | ||
| Post# 409747 , Reply# 14 5/24/2019 at 18:59 (1,798 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Spring
Inside the ratchet the spring I grease and along where toe touch engages. Im not saying you are wrong. If it's worked for you don't fix it. It could be something I do that's Overkill but it is necessity maybe to reassure the voice in my head.
I grease and Clean both every 6 months. It's my OCD it's not needed but I do it anyway. Glad to see you got it fixed Ben it's a beautiful machine and rebuilding with your father makes it even more special. You can't buy those moments. Les | ||
| Post# 409921 , Reply# 15 5/29/2019 at 19:17 (1,793 days old) by Louvac (A) | ||
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Glad to help! Hey Guys! This has just been my experience. It does make sense that you should grease interlocking gears, but in this case the gears are not operating at any great speed--they're just a notch or stopping point. So, is grease really necessary? | ||
| Post# 409929 , Reply# 16 5/29/2019 at 22:36 (1,793 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Yes | ||
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Post# 414463 , Reply# 17 9/30/2019 at 18:16 (1,669 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Possible Solution Found
I think I found what the real problem with my Classic falling down from position 7 is: the ratchet lock (133069) itself!
I am going to obtain a new 133069 ratchet lock, and use that to see if the problem stops ultimately. ~Ben
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Post# 414468 , Reply# 18 9/30/2019 at 19:24 (1,669 days old) by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri) |
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Heritage II My Heritage II has this problem | ||
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Post# 414469 , Reply# 19 9/30/2019 at 20:38 (1,669 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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rodknock95 | ||
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Post# 414645 , Reply# 20 10/5/2019 at 18:28 (1,664 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Solved at Last!
The new ratchet lock I'd bought this week did the trick: the front wheel bracket shaft on my 1972 Kirby Classic now works perfectly again on all eight positions!
~Ben | ||
| Post# 414651 , Reply# 21 10/6/2019 at 01:12 (1,663 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Possible cause
Hey
I have a very reasonable answer. If you put big wheels or screw extenders on wheel shaft is the culprit. If you use extender screws it creates a weak spot on axle. This flexes and warps the axle. If you have classic 2 to legend 2 it's also a weak spot. Some just shear for other reasons. Glad you figured it out. Les | ||
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