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Thread Number: 38000
/ Tag: 80s/90s Vacuum Cleaners
Royal 501 |
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Post# 404959 , Reply# 1 2/2/2019 at 09:48 (1,909 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl
Karl,
This would use a metal fan, part no. 1-502004-000. You'd have to obtain one from another Royal 501. New carbon brushes would be part no. 1-150224-000. ~Ben This post was last edited 02/02/2019 at 10:15 | ||
| Post# 404961 , Reply# 2 2/2/2019 at 12:13 (1,909 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Thank you for the response, I took it apart and cleaned it up and greased it up good, sounds much better, brushes are in good shape. The fan is a plastic one, I need to fine a new one. | ||
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Post# 404966 , Reply# 3 2/2/2019 at 14:49 (1,909 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl | ||
| Post# 404980 , Reply# 4 2/2/2019 at 20:55 (1,909 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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I just bought a metal fan for my 501 off ebay. | ||
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Post# 404983 , Reply# 5 2/2/2019 at 21:19 (1,908 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl | ||
| Post# 405003 , Reply# 6 2/3/2019 at 07:07 (1,908 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Thank you all for your help. | ||
| Post# 405005 , Reply# 7 2/3/2019 at 08:19 (1,908 days old) by vacman1961 (North Babylon, New York) | ||
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Ben, as a former Royal dealer the last of the 501's came with a black plastic fan, I think I might have some in a box somewhere from when I closed my store. | ||
| Post# 405008 , Reply# 8 2/3/2019 at 10:25 (1,908 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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I'll buy some if you find some | ||
| Post# 405009 , Reply# 9 2/3/2019 at 10:31 (1,908 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina) | ||
vacman1961's post made me curious so I checked my very late production 501 (same light blue color scheme as Karl's but with a guard in front of the power switch, which places it at the very end of the model's run) and it does indeed have a black plastic fan. I also have an earlier one with a gray and red color scheme that appears to have a metal fan. I have no idea whether the plastic fans came in with the blue color scheme or were a running change sometime thereafter.
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| Post# 405013 , Reply# 10 2/3/2019 at 14:49 (1,908 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Can I put a metal fan on mine if it originally came with a plastic fan? | ||
| Post# 405032 , Reply# 11 2/3/2019 at 22:41 (1,907 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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| Post# 405041 , Reply# 12 2/4/2019 at 00:30 (1,907 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 405177 , Reply# 13 2/7/2019 at 05:52 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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I got the metal fan for my 501 last night, I'll try to put it on tonight after work. I hope the metal fan fits right. | ||
| Post# 405198 , Reply# 14 2/7/2019 at 16:21 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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The metal fan is a little different. The center hole is smaller than the plastic one but I think a can drill it out just a little bit to make it work.
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| Post# 405201 , Reply# 15 2/7/2019 at 16:33 (1,904 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 405202 , Reply# 16 2/7/2019 at 16:39 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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The fan wont screw on enough for the belt shaft to screw on also. When the fan stops screwing there is no threads for the belt shaft showing. | ||
| Post# 405209 , Reply# 17 2/7/2019 at 17:09 (1,904 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Post# 405212 , Reply# 18 2/7/2019 at 17:25 (1,904 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl
Karl,
Here is an exploded parts breakdown for the 501. The fan, I've read, comes off clockwise; to screw it back on, it must be done in reverse. And you will want to measure the shaft hole size of the metal fan and the plastic fan. ~Ben This post was last edited 02/07/2019 at 22:02 | ||
| Post# 405217 , Reply# 19 2/7/2019 at 18:46 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Look at the picture, the center hole on the plastic fan is just a little bit bigger, that allows it to screw on the shaft farther, that allows the thread's to come through the center hole, then allowing the shaft to screw on | ||
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Post# 405219 , Reply# 20 2/7/2019 at 18:54 (1,904 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl
Karl,
The fan in my 1982 501 is definitely a metal fan. ~Ben
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| Post# 405220 , Reply# 21 2/7/2019 at 19:02 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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What am I doing wrong then?? | ||
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Post# 405221 , Reply# 22 2/7/2019 at 19:05 (1,904 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl | ||
| Post# 405222 , Reply# 23 2/7/2019 at 19:14 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Do you a picture of a plastic fan? | ||
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Post# 405223 , Reply# 24 2/7/2019 at 19:17 (1,904 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl
Karl,
I went back and checked all the replies to this subject (by vacman1961 and human) and it appears you are correct that the plastic fan was used (but on the very last machines). But... your 501 also does not have the guard by the motor switch, so that is why I still think yours has had the metal fan before. If you could please give me the serial number from yours (provided it is still legible), that would help me further. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 405224 , Reply# 25 2/7/2019 at 19:30 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Post# 405225 , Reply# 26 2/7/2019 at 19:39 (1,904 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl | ||
| Post# 405228 , Reply# 27 2/7/2019 at 20:15 (1,904 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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This what the fan shaft looks like
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| Post# 405234 , Reply# 28 2/7/2019 at 21:14 (1,903 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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So the metal fan doesn't go down far enough on the shaft to tighten? I have never drilled a fan. It may be okay if it's slightly drilled out. I may get no he should never do that but do maybe a 16th of an inch out. Put old fan on to make sure grooves are still usable. You can per say drill out center but risk losing threading. I'd say to hell with it either put plastic fan back on or make metal one work. It's not recommended you may not get metal one to work but if you want metal one to work shave small very small pieces of checking threading with old plastic one. There is even worse advise put metal one on heat it up torque it on but you would have to make sure armature shaft doesn't twist or it could be bad. So if you want metal fan slightly cut out middle section. You should keep threads and it would work. I know everyone will say don't but slow and steady it should work. I know people don't agree don't roast me. He has a metal fan either it works or it doesn't. If it doesn't you seen I have armature and fan. If it doesn't work if you cover shipping I'll send you metal one with bearing plate and fan. I have about 8 royal hand vacs. Motor and fan are parts I only needed switch for 1930s or older hand vac. I have 3 1940s royal electro hygiene ones I had 4 80s-90s ones. I had one for sale in supermarket plack with red and black bag. I gave it to my father because hand vacuums are handy. I get most at thrift store ranging from $3-$8. I have a Kirby vacuette a Douglas busy bee but royals seem to out do Kirby ones. Idk so try that don't roast me it's iffy if it works but you already have the fan it doesn't fit so worst case scenario metal one won't work. Try what I said it should work as long as drilling out is slow not slamming it in chunking metal pieces flying everywhere.
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| Post# 405240 , Reply# 29 2/7/2019 at 21:42 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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I also thought about filing that bottom part of the shaft so the metal fan will go down over that part. | ||
| Post# 405241 , Reply# 30 2/7/2019 at 21:44 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Right now that hole in the center of the fan will not go over that part of the shaft like the plastic one does. | ||
| Post# 405243 , Reply# 31 2/7/2019 at 22:05 (1,903 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 405246 , Reply# 32 2/7/2019 at 22:14 (1,903 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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Are you sure you're not having a depth problem, rather than a diameter problem? Before you jump the gun, why not get a cheap digital caliper from Harbor Freight (for like $15, good thing to have around), and measure the depth of the shaft hole in each blade, and then the diameters as well. And if the hole has a 'step' in it, you can measure the depth to that as well.
Also, is the fan itself threaded? Or is that only the belt shaft that acts as the nut that holds on the fan? | ||
| Post# 405250 , Reply# 33 2/7/2019 at 23:45 (1,903 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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| Post# 405253 , Reply# 34 2/8/2019 at 06:43 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Yes, the hole is not big enough, that is not allowing the fan to go down enough | ||
| Post# 405258 , Reply# 35 2/8/2019 at 11:29 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Wow! I don't know what I was doing wrong but I tried putting the metal fan on this morning and it went on, the belt shaft went on just fine. Sorry everyone, but thank you all for helping me. | ||
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Post# 405260 , Reply# 36 2/8/2019 at 14:32 (1,903 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Karl
Karl,
That is so awesome you were able to get the metal fan fitted! ~Ben This post was last edited 02/08/2019 at 14:49 | ||
| Post# 405261 , Reply# 37 2/8/2019 at 15:38 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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Yep, the fan went right on this morning, I was doing something wrong. The 501 works great now. | ||
| Post# 405262 , Reply# 38 2/8/2019 at 15:54 (1,903 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
Oiling...
Mine does have an oiling port... Instructions detail how to oil. Additionally (see pics for instructions) there is another access point (with bag removed) at the top and rear of the motor casting.
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| Post# 405263 , Reply# 39 2/8/2019 at 16:01 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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To oil mine I have to open the motor up, no ports. But thanks for the information. | ||
| Post# 405266 , Reply# 40 2/8/2019 at 16:56 (1,903 days old) by Hmc1981 (St. Augustine, Florida) | ||
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| Post# 405267 , Reply# 41 2/8/2019 at 16:59 (1,903 days old) by Karl (Illinois) | ||
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All of you guys were a great help. | ||
| Post# 405278 , Reply# 42 2/9/2019 at 00:48 (1,902 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah) | ||
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Hey
I think they had on different years. The 2 I have one has port one doesn't. I believe if you take off bag opposite of the fan impellor is oil port.
Either way oil it. Sometimes I try to do something and nerves and frustration prevent what your working on. I'd imagine this got you frazzled but when nerves are settled mind isn't clouded and it just works. If I get frazzled I just wait until later. Glad you got it working. These hand vacs are sweet. Les | ||
| Post# 405282 , Reply# 43 2/9/2019 at 02:19 (1,902 days old) by MadMan (Chicago, IL, USA) | ||
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Sometimes I try to plug in a USB plug, get it wrong, turn it 180 degrees, get it wrong again, turn it back around, and then it goes in. Despite only having two sides lol
I've found lots of things are fumbly like that. Part of the reason I suggested measuring it. Sometimes if something doesn't fit, I'll measure it, find it identical, and THEN it'll fit. Don't ask how that works. One of life's mysteries. | ||
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