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Post# 403690   1/6/2019 at 23:30 by mister3 (toronto, ontario)        

I want to purchase a new vacuum for hardwood floors and am looking for some advice on which brands/models to look at.

Items important for this purchase
1: Good HEPA filtration. I have had some issues with allergies, so this is an important feature. HEPA filtration hopefully downstream of motor

2: Sealed unit.

3: Good brand reliability over many years. I have an electrolux 89 that is 50 years old. A bit disappointed that i cannot use it anymore. i dont like having to replace stuff after 5 years.


The use will be exclusively on ceramic or hardwood floors. I have no carpets, so i was thinking of simple canister vacuums

How is Sebo, Miele or other? I have read that electrolux is not what it used to be.

I have been conditioned over mylifetime to used bagged products, but frankly dont know how good a bagless system is (or advantages/disadvantages). any comments on this item is appreciated.

i was looking at some of the miele's but i frankly have limited knowledge in this area.

thanks
-m3





Post# 403691 , Reply# 1   1/6/2019 at 23:37 by compactc9guy (Bathurst )        

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You could always puta vinyl hose on your lux 89 ebay might have some ,i suggest aerus electrolux legacy or platinum.

Post# 403700 , Reply# 2   1/7/2019 at 06:38 by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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Yeah. An Aerus Electrolux is the way to go. Truly a fine machine.

Post# 403707 , Reply# 3   1/7/2019 at 14:30 by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
How is Sebo, Miele or other?

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If it's reliability you're after, I would definitely consider Sebo. The first Sebo I ever got use belonged to a friends parents who at the time lived on a working farm (it's now a riding school and livery). 21 years later, it's still going strong with only consumables replaced.

Not sure how prices compare over there, but here in the UK, Sebo consumables like bags and filters and also replacement parts if ever needed are considerably cheaper and easier to replace that Miele.


Post# 403711 , Reply# 4   1/7/2019 at 17:32 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@mister3 If you're worried about filtration I think nilfisk is the first name in filtration followed closely by Miele,then sebo .
Quality on all those names are first-rate!
I'd highly recommend you check redit also on the same question, there are several vacuum technicians who also comment on there.

Here's a playlist of vacuum filtration that I have tested.


Particlle Scaner Tests: http://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiENBcs2au1b_COXfiy0hiaWeTxRMVGUB


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Post# 403712 , Reply# 5   1/7/2019 at 17:32 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Iíd definitely recommend a Miele C3 canister with the Parquet Twister bare floor brush. The ďAlizeĒ version in the USA is similar and has been highly rated by Consumer Reports for excellent air flow through the hose and excellent filtration and quietness.

Iíve had great customer service from McHardy Vacuum in London Ontario. They just opened a branch in Oakville or Mississauga. They have a great special on right now: a green Miele C3 with Parquet Twister floor brush for only $399. Itís a very good price for a C3!

Here is their website:



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Post# 403713 , Reply# 6   1/7/2019 at 17:37 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Indeed, you can test drive this Miele at McHardyís Oakville store (I have no business interest in this retailer - they are just really nice people!)

Here is the address:

2379 Trafalgar Rd, Oakville, ON L6H 6K7, Canada


Post# 403731 , Reply# 7   1/7/2019 at 21:07 by panasonicvac (Northern Arizona)        

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Another good option to look into is Lindhaus, particularly their Aria lineup. Through my years of working for a couple dealers, I have yet to see one come in for technical repairs. I'd say they're just as reliable as Sebo.

Post# 403740 , Reply# 8   1/7/2019 at 23:09 by mister3 (toronto, ontario)        

thank you all.
i have been researching the miele c1 or c3 and have a question about them in terms of reliability.

does the c1,c2 operate on a mechanical switch, or is it just the interface (electrical switch) that uses a motherboard/logic to run? I dont like logic board computers placed where they are not needed because they are rarely designed to last.

as a side note, i believe this is only truly necessary if the motor was brushless.

does the c3 run on a motherboard/logic board?

barring poorly maintained machine, have you found that the c1 compact and c3 are reliable machines?

i have seen some of your videos vaccumdevil, and would consider sebo models but preferred a zero particle count as you found with your miele's

-m3


Post# 403744 , Reply# 9   1/7/2019 at 23:33 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@mister3 the use of mechanical switch fairly similar to what a Dyson dc07 switch looks like. It actually switches on 120 volts to the motor the circuit board is for speed control, soft start and overload/heat protection. In terms of reliability I've actually found the C2 /s6000 to be the most reliable. The C1 and C3 are about the same in terms of reliability despite the price difference.


@panasonicvac you're so right kiddos !
I had forgotten to mention Lindhouse I always forget about them they're in excellent vacuum. They do make some machines that blow a 0 too!


Post# 403745 , Reply# 10   1/7/2019 at 23:38 by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Well, all I can say is my Miele C3 seems to be extremely well made and has never had a problem in 3 years of use. And since you are not interested in a canister with a power nozzle, you wonít have electrical connections in the wands to worry about.

Miele was rated the most reliable canister vacuum brand in the UK a few years ago, if that means anything - see the link below. And the company offers a 5 year warranty on their canisters in Canada.



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Post# 403817 , Reply# 11   1/8/2019 at 23:35 by mister3 (toronto, ontario)        

is there a substantial difference between the c2 and c1,c3 repair rates, or is it slight?

Post# 403829 , Reply# 12   1/9/2019 at 11:02 by vacuumdevil (Vacuum Hell )        

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@mister3 Not in labor ,not really in parts either.

Post# 403857 , Reply# 13   1/9/2019 at 20:53 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
brands I would suggest

A Miele or Sebo would be very good. I have never tried a Lindhaus Aria but would love to, Lindhaus is a great brand though for some reason they are not talked about as much in the United States, I'm not sure if there is just not as many dealers for them or what it is. You might also consider the Riccar Prima, that is an excellent canister cleaner. And if you want the most powerful vacuum available, get a central vacuum unit and put a utility valve on it, you can then connect a central vacuum hose directly to it, that is more powerful than any portable vacuum.
Mike


Post# 403875 , Reply# 14   1/10/2019 at 01:02 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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I think your best choice here would be Electrolux

First off, let's clear the air on one thing about vacuum filtration systems: Whether vac shops want to admit it or not, it's really the BAG that does the majority of the filtration in a bagged vacuum. All the exhaust filter is capturing, regardless if it is HEPA or something like Miele's Super Air Clean filter that comes with the bags, is the motor's carbon dust & super-fine dust your eyes cannot see. And even then, that's if you use paper bags....if you use HEPA Cloth bags, the chances of that superfine dust escaping the bag are next to impossible, assuming you are installing the bag correctly & taking care of the vacuum.

What I would suggest you do is take your Electrolux into a vac shop, have them remove the hose material from the machine end, & have them use it to put a new vinyl hose & hose handle on it to work with your wand. Also have them install new carbon brushes in the motor, chances are with it's age they are going to need replacement by now & it wouldn't hurt to take a armature seating stone to the motor to clean it up & make the brushes seat properly. You have a REALLY GOOD vacuum here, & one of Electrolux Canada's best models, even if you decide to upgrade to something new it would make a great car & garage vacuum.

When you take the vacuum in, have them sell you some HEPA Cloth Electrolux Style C bags to use with the vacuum when you take it home. Chances are, assuming your allergies are mild to moderate, the vacuum shouldn't be triggering your allergy symptoms when you are cleaning. If it does, then start to look at sealed HEPA vacuums.

When you are looking at new vacuums, beware of one thing: Don't just look at whether it's a sealed system, also make sure the HEPA filter is a certified TRUE HEPA filter. There are many vacuums that claim to have a HEPA filter in a sealed system, with a inferior quality HEPA filter. Shark is a perfect example of this.

As for the brands you suggested? Sebo, in my opinion, is not a good choice for allergy sufferers. Vacuumdevil has a comparison video on his channel, Performance Reviews, where he compares a Sebo E3 to a Miele C3 Brilliant. Notice how the Sebo does NOT make the particle counter go down to zero? It's because of their S Class filtration system that they claim is equivalent to HEPA. It's not! Their exhaust filter on that model is HEPA Cloth H11 bag material, not HEPA H12 or HEPA H13 pleated HEPA filters, & the Sebo D4 filter material looks to be very similar. While it may be indeed be a sealed system, the filtration material is the flaw in their system. Also note, their bags compared to Miele are inferior - they use 3 ply HEPA Cloth material, while Miele's bags are 9 ply HEPA Cloth material, that maintain the vacuum's power till it's 3/4 full, & the cost of bags & filters for both brands are comparable. Why settle for a vacuum with a inferior bag that costs the same? The prices that dealers want for comparable Miele & Sebo straight suction canisters is pretty much comparable as well. For that reason, I would rule out Sebo & focus on Miele.

I would also suggest looking into the Lindhaus Aria, Simplicity Wonder & Riccar Prima. All of these are high quality canisters, & you're likely to save some money as well over buying Miele. One thing I really like in particular about the Riccar/Simplicity canisters is the floor tool - it has a microfibre pad behind the bristles to pick up any fine dust the suction & bristles may have missed, it swivels just as nicely as Miele's Parquet Twister, & it also doesn't struggle with picking up large pieces, such as a dried pea, as the Miele tool does. One other area all three of these canisters shine over Miele is the quality of their electric hoses. If you do look at a model with a electric hose & compact powerhead, if you have any area rugs, you will notice right away the Miele electric hoses are short & stiff. Not so with these other 3 vacuums. The electric hoses are MUCH better quality than Miele, & more enjoyable to use. And all 3 of them have HEPA filters in a sealed system.

Best of luck to you in finding a good vacuum.


Rob


Post# 403912 , Reply# 15   1/10/2019 at 23:31 by mister3 (toronto, ontario)        

This is all good advice. thank you.

I think i am going to go with a Miele Complete C3 Powerline Limited Edition after much consideration.

i do have a question though regarding a parquet floor brush. the question is, i would like to use the floor brush, but am allergic to horses.

i know most of the "natural bristles" are horse hair, but some are simply not stated. "natural bristles" can be from anything. if any of you are aware of a miele compatible (35mm) good quality parquet floor brush that is not horse hair, please provide a link. i have searched my local vac store's website, with limited information



Post# 403931 , Reply# 16   1/11/2019 at 10:45 by got2bjennyg (Brunswick, Ohio, USA)        
Horse hair

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many people with allergies to ____(fill in the blank) animal think that they are allergic to the hair/fur. They are not. The proteins found in a pet's dander, skin flakes, saliva and urine are the source of the allergic reaction in some people. Also, animal hair or fur can collect pollen, mold spores and other outdoor allergens. So, if the hair is washed in warm, soapy water and rinsed thoroughly, there will be no allergens left to cause an airborne, allergic reaction.



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Post# 403954 , Reply# 17   1/11/2019 at 20:32 by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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First off, you should know the Miele floor brushes use a combination of natural hair & polyamide to make the floor brush bristles. I would assume the natural hair is likely horsehair or boars hair. I would not necessarily go out & buy a new floor brush separately right away, try it out & see if you react to it.

If you do need a replacement, though, you will need a tool adapter, preferably the metal one I linked to below. Contact a local vac shop, ask them if they deal with Hibbert International for their parts, & they should be able to add one to their next order & contact you when it is in. You might have to stop by the store & prepay for it though.

The floor brush for your Electrolux 89 would work with that adapter, if you still have it. And I personally have found that floor brush for the 86/88/89/AP series was the best one Electrolux made. The black bristles look to be synthetic, not horsehair.

If not, I was able to find a floor brush with what looks to be synthetic bristles. It's 32mm, so you would need to use that metal adapter with it, & the price is reasonable. There is also a Wessel Werk RD285 floor/rug nozzle I am linking to that will work for your situation, as it uses 2 squeegees in place of bristles. I own the white version of it, & it works beautifully on bare floors & rolls nicely due to the large wheels. It also is perfect for pet owners since there are no bristles for animal hair to stick to.

Rob

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www.hibbert.ca/buy/product/ru215...

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Post# 404431 , Reply# 18   1/22/2019 at 16:42 by ridgidwd0670 (se wood co ohio)        

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Or a old compact/tristar vac w/o pn will do nicely; bare floor brush picks up dirt really great. Its also made of metal & vac made of die-cast magnalite

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