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Post# 403330   12/30/2018 at 16:06 (230 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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Is he selling a legitimate Revelation Compact ? The badge does not seem original i think C4 whit Revelation badging and tools is this the very 1 compact?? 500 bucks woahhhh

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Post# 403341 , Reply# 1   12/30/2018 at 18:10 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Just seeing pic I posted. I think somebody had some pieces original and built art deco box. I'm not sure 1963 told you 50% cotton etc. The box looks like fiberboard. I know they didn't have fiberboard until maybe the 90s.
It's a nice rare salesman piece but this person built in fashion of other boxes. I could be wrong but jmo.
Les


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Post# 403342 , Reply# 2   12/30/2018 at 18:12 (230 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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and at 500 $ is it the real thing does he have proof that this is a true revelation?
It does looks alot like a c4 whit a re badge on it the revelation c2 hada diffrent sticker and no side fins exahsut on bottom.Whit out seeing the name plate underneat and model number i cannot be sure .


Post# 403347 , Reply# 3   12/30/2018 at 18:58 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I'm saying he made the box and had sale items and made display box and modded vacuum to fit. It's real nice but there no way it's original. If a salesman used it it would be a little worn.
Les


Post# 403348 , Reply# 4   12/30/2018 at 19:11 (230 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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bingoo

Post# 403352 , Reply# 5   12/30/2018 at 21:08 (230 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington, NC)        

You are both wrong! Everything about that is correct! Compacts and Revelations often were sold with storage chests or in those days called "hassocks." It was a fancy way to store vacuum in plain site in your home and even have an extra piece of furniture. Rainbows were sold with storage chests, and many other machines as well! I have 3 vintage compacts in chests. Chests were even available for Electrolux as an after market item. I've seen many makes of canister/tank vacuum in chests such as this.

Post# 403353 , Reply# 6   12/30/2018 at 21:44 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Wrong?

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Look at the picture it's fiberboard. This is what make it yourself furniture with veneer glued on is sold at Walmart. They didn't have this wood until the late 90s it's engineered fiberboard. I do have a degree in construction. In framing they teach you how I joists are made in similar process just alot more layers. This is fiberboard they didn't have this for almost 40 years.

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Post# 403355 , Reply# 7   12/30/2018 at 21:49 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I hope the displays you have are real. I mean this is a nice display piece but if I was going to fake until I make it it would look period correct. You could glue boards together and plane flat. Go to antique store and not Wal Mart. I'd take cotton off box too or the potential hazard sticker too. The type set looks almost like they used a computer. I'm just messing with you. This is a fake and not a good one at that.
Les


Post# 403356 , Reply# 8   12/30/2018 at 21:52 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Post# 403357 , Reply# 9   12/30/2018 at 21:53 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
This too

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Northwest manufacturer company St Paul Minnesota established in 2008.


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Post# 403358 , Reply# 10   12/30/2018 at 22:05 (230 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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ok the chest is not the original one its made of fiber board my family had many compact this is not factory hassocks...

Post# 403359 , Reply# 11   12/30/2018 at 22:10 (230 days old) by luxflairguy (Wilmington, NC)        

Believe what you want!

Vacuums and storage chests have been around since the 40's!


Post# 403360 , Reply# 12   12/30/2018 at 22:35 (230 days old) by Electroluxxxx (Syracuse, NY )        
Lee may I call you Lee

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I don't know how to say this but the northwest manufacturing co that you managed to look up is for outdoor wood furnaces, and the wood used is actually particle board which btw was introduced and first produced in Germany in 1887. Many many vacuum cleaner hassocks were actually made from particle board. That SALES hassock is original to that machine. No offense but If you have a degree in construction you may want to take a refresher course because there are alot of differences between MDF, Particle board, Formica, Fiber Board, etc... Although they are all very similar in a way they are different not to mention that Fiber board was introduced in the 80s.

People try to help you with the information that you seek and you try to either outsmart them or contradict them which is not smart when asking for advice. This would be a good reason to why not many people reply to threads that you create. Again im not trying to be rude but I am being blunt and honest and i am sure that I am speaking for many people. Alot of us here are longtime members with a lot of Knowledge, and we are all here to help one another and give advice. Don't ruin that opportunity, take what you can learn, run with it and discard the rest.

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Post# 403362 , Reply# 13   12/30/2018 at 22:44 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Look at the tag. The company was established in 2008. That's 48 years after the sales receipt. The fiberboard is made by the company earliest 2008. I mean it's not a belief it's a fact. I'm sure they're real ones out there but immaculate no. I can believe reality if your buying display boxes I could built exact replica for $15. You polish vacuum pieces I'll spray paint vacuum and reattach insigna. I can even replicate the sales receipt.
Luxflairguy I showed 3 pieces of proof do you still think it's period correct. I could make a better piece time correct. A company founded in 2008 isn't making fiber storage box 48 years prior. Meh it's fine.
I should report seller being fraudulent. It gives real display pieces a bad name.
Les


Post# 403363 , Reply# 14   12/30/2018 at 22:55 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Show me a particle board trunk.
The website shows est 2008. They didn't use particle board for chests. It's great it was founded a long time ago. You take log chips glue them together. The use of particle board wasn't prevelent until the late 90s. Thus birth of engineered wood for building. Anything wood pre 2000 is solid wood. I don't need a refresher course. I can also read. When did trunks get government issued warnings on items.
You can state these wonderful facts but they used real wood not glued scraps definitely not in early60s either.
Show me a particle board trunk with government warni g and a 50 percent cotton 50 percent fabric and make sure the company on the tag was established before 2000. Can you do this. If you can you can make a better fake than they did. Educate me some more.
Les you can call me les. Thanks


Post# 403364 , Reply# 15   12/30/2018 at 22:59 (230 days old) by Electroluxxxx (Syracuse, NY )        

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NORTHWEST MANUFACTURING EST. 2008 IS A WOOD FURNACE COMPANY!!!!! LOOK AT THE WEBSITE AND TELL ME THAT THEY MADE THE WOOD WHEN THEY MAKE FURNACES!

AGAIN! IT IS FACTORY ORIGINAL TO THE MACHINE!

YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NO COMMON SENSE!

learn something from a business owner (me)

company goes out of business, another company uses the name for something different.

The name northwest manufacturing could be used also as one company (wood and lumber) while another northwest manufacturing could be using it as a different company (furnaces), it is very common to have multiple businesses have the same name. stop being so dense and listen to what people are telling you. Again! the company you looked up is a FURNACE COMPANY, they DO NOT make WOOD PRODUCTS.

Do we need to spell it out any more clearer than that?


Post# 403365 , Reply# 16   12/30/2018 at 23:03 (230 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Wow

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Read this it wasn't prevelent as real wood was cheaper. Check your website.

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Post# 403366 , Reply# 17   12/30/2018 at 23:18 (229 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Blind

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On page I posted shows est 2008. There's links to dealers but it shows no history of making anything in the past. It's just a page showing there accreditation and approval.
It's Northwest manufacturing company of saint Paul Minnesota and this is page that comes up. I seen a page closed permanently but that company was not out of saint Paul Minnesota as tag reads on the chest.
Oi Vue. Let's agree to disagree.
We got our refresher course on lumber displays and what people sale.
I call it a spade but who cares I'm not buying it. Have a good night.
Les


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Post# 403368 , Reply# 18   12/30/2018 at 23:27 (229 days old) by electroluxxxx (Syracuse, NY )        

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“It had an enormous influence on furniture design. In the early 1950s”... if you’re trying to get somewhere with that you aren’t getting anywhere. If your trying to be a smart ass I can promise it won’t get you anywhere with me, ask other members or even past members and they will happily tell. Check your facts since you seem to “think you’re smarter than a fifth grader” (tv show reference)
Here’s some good reading for you! Maybe you’ll learn something or maybe you won’t.
Have a great night pumpkin! Some of us have to work in the morning and we love our beauty sleep!
😴 💤 🛏




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Post# 403369 , Reply# 19   12/30/2018 at 23:38 (229 days old) by electroluxxxx (Syracuse, NY )        

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Btw one more thing...

Northwest manufacturing INC.
RED LAKE FALLS, MN not SAINT PAUL MN

the northwest manufacturing CO. That made the chest is out of business. The one you have is incorporated


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Post# 403373 , Reply# 20   12/31/2018 at 00:22 (229 days old) by huskyvacs (Upper Midwest)        

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I'm not sure why the big argument here about whether it is or is not fake. It is a legit box and vacuum. Just because the condition is good doesn't mean it's fake. This is not something that you use daily and haul the box all around the house all the time. They usually sat in the closet.

The facts are the following....

#1: Masland Duran vinyl coverings were trademarked and first used in commerce in 1947, it was filed as a copyright in 1953, and was out of business and a dead brand by 1996.

#2: The wood is not actual wood, it's a form of cardboard called Masonite. It was used heavily in the 1930s and 1940's during WWI and WWII war rations. Many storage boxes were made of this material, and by the 1960's flooring was made of it.

#3: Northwest Mfg. Company is listed as being in "St. Paul 17, Minnesota". No city name within the last 60 years has been formatted that way. Also Atwater St. is no longer a street anymore, it's now known as Atwater Circle. That address number (459? Atwater) does not exist anymore.

#4: The "Guaranteed By Good Housekeeping" seal logo on the Duran tag debuted in 1941 and remained unchanged until 1962 when it was redesigned.

#5: The "PA 1-5395" telephone exchange number dates to a May 11, 1961 newspaper classified ad in Minneapolis, MN. The ad attached for this number hawks "$112.50 A WEEK! GUARANTEED!!! New, expanding firm needs men. No experience necessary, PA 1-5395." Now wonder who this firm could be? (Revelation Associates door-to-door sales firm perhaps?)

#6: The one "Wally Blatz" on the sales card is Walter Martin "Wally" Blatz who passed away on Feb. 28, 2014. He was married to an Eleanore Hasse (the salesman misspelled her name on the card in the photo). Eleanore died in 2000. The salesman, George Kelley I cannot find out if he is still alive or not. I found a 1940 census record from St. Paul, MN that shows him as being 8 years old (born in 1932). In 1960 he would be 23 years old, meeting the age requirements for the advertisement for Revelation Vacuum salesmen.

Wally's obituary: www.findagrave.com/memori...
Elanore's obituary: www.findagrave.com/memori...

#7: I have attached two photos of Eureka storage boxes from the same period, and surprise, same materials used.


So, summing this all up....The seller is located in Elk River, MN, the box manufacturer in St. Paul, MN, the telephone exchange number to Minneapolis, MN, the door to door salesman was born in St. Paul, MN, and finally, Mr. Wally Blatz himself born and died in Minnesota.

Everything all fits to the same city and was all localized, so the claim that all these people, names, and cards can be picked completely at random and faked but all connected within the same city, that is just simply not possible. That's my thoughts on this matter.




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Post# 403374 , Reply# 21   12/31/2018 at 01:28 (229 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        

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Post# 403377 , Reply# 22   12/31/2018 at 01:37 (229 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Okay

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So it's not particle board. I was correct on that I was wrong on it not being a salesman box. Thanks for this information.
I'd apologize I was wrong to luxflairguy but he proved nothing.
Texaskirbyguy made us both eat crow.
Wow I wasted a lot of time.
Good lesson.
Thanks texaskirbyguy.
Les


Post# 403385 , Reply# 23   12/31/2018 at 14:28 (229 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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Thanks for the info.
I provided it to the seller and they were very appreciative. It was much more than they could find.
Lesson taught.
Les


Post# 403585 , Reply# 24   1/5/2019 at 15:43 (224 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        
Hassock

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Was either sold for $19.95 OR it was given away free to a door to door vacuum customer as inducement to buy TONIGHT. The salesman didn't keep his demo machine in it. In fact, the hassock was delivered later - after the customer's credit was verified.

This is the hassock for the 1957 Compact model C-4 (ironic - the same model as the black Revelation).


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Post# 403586 , Reply# 25   1/5/2019 at 15:46 (224 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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The Lewyt 55 and it's famous hassock. 1952. It's "Cedarized". There was a disc underneath the lid of the hassock that was loaded with cedar 'stinkum'. When you sat on the top of the hassock, the disc released a 'poof' of stinkum into the room.

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Post# 403588 , Reply# 26   1/5/2019 at 15:48 (224 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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The 1950 Rexair Model C - sitting on the very rare 4 quart pan with built-in wheels. The Hassock has three 'doors'. Because the Rexair was designed to be stored OFF the water pan, the hassock is extra wide to accommodate.

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Post# 403589 , Reply# 27   1/5/2019 at 15:49 (224 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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1955 - 1960 Rexair Rainbow model D with it's matching Hassock. Again, extra wide so the machine could be stored OFF the water pan.

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Post# 403590 , Reply# 28   1/5/2019 at 15:51 (224 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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Even the 1959 General Electric Swivel Top with Cord Reel had a Hassock. In this case, the hassock was most likely sold as opposed to being given away since GE cleaners were not sold door to door by aggressive salesmen. OR, a store could use them for a promotion (Buy this weekend and get a hassock half price).

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Post# 403591 , Reply# 29   1/5/2019 at 16:17 (224 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        

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i know compact had the storage hassock but we were debating wether it was the original one ,my grand mother had a compact c8 it came whit the storage hassock whit it .I was only referring this one whether or not it was a factory one that all

Post# 403601 , Reply# 30   1/5/2019 at 19:04 (224 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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I learned I have better things to do than argue if something is real. Some people post some antagonize. I'm going to watch the cowboys. I know it's real. I'm not wasting time right or wrong. Have a good night.
Les


Post# 403617 , Reply# 31   1/5/2019 at 23:46 (223 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst NB)        
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Some good point here thank yo u for the very interesting information you provided. I will keep that in mind now ,thank you so much .I was thinking it was the wrong one ,but after reading it is the right one i am sorry . I guess some thing escape my knowledge at times, happy vacuuming and thank you again for this info . I was surprise at the price if the real deal then yes i can see why its so expensive .(sorry for the typos)
happy vacuuming. and thank you for this lovely knowledge you shared whit us here .


Post# 403702 , Reply# 32   1/7/2019 at 09:28 (222 days old) by Dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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What is really interesting is that instruction manual. I have the instruction manual for both the compact and revelation versions of the model C-4. I have never seen a revelation vacuum manual with the cover as shown in the auction.

Post# 403719 , Reply# 33   1/7/2019 at 19:19 (222 days old) by Lesinutah (Utah)        
Hey

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It could be salesman demo model brochure instead of manual. But that is a Revelation in itself. Corny I know.
Les





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