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Post# 400184   10/30/2018 at 20:31 (232 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hi everyone,
I am new to the forum and I have some Kirby vacuum cleaner questions. I will start with the most important. This fall I acquired a Kirby Tradition vacuum cleaner and I have been cleaning it up and using it. It is a later model unit so it has the plastic type fan, Classic III style speed switch etc. It has been converted to a shake out bag and is in decent shape. I had to replace the vis-a-belt window and the belt. I also polished it. It came with two mostly complete attachment sets. The question that I have about it is what year was it made and does anyone have a spare manual for it (funny, with two attachment sets no manual)? I called the company on the serial number and they were not helpful. Thank you in advance. My next questions are less important. I am sort of looking for a Kirby DS 80 because my grandma had one. It is the first one that my dad remembers as a young boy. It was traded in on the Heritage II that we have in the garage and use to vacuum out the car. I want to have one like it because they are the last of that style and are a unique color. I am not in any hurry with this search. My last questions are regarding my great-grandmas Kirby 508 that I found in the barn. It is in poor shape. It does not turn on and the bag has been chewed on by mice in spots. I want to make it run again at some point. I am thinking that the switch or brushes are bad for starters, but it could be something else within the motor. Another odd thing is that it has red trim instead of grey, and the bag does not match the original. It has been in the shed for a while and it is not pretty. Was it common practice for salesmen to replace the trim on older vacuum's with that of newer vacuums so they could sell the old one for a higher price? It also has a 10 blade metal fan. It does not have a factory rebuild tag so I am assuming all of the modifications were done in town. If anyone has any thoughts or ideas please let me know. Thank you in advance. Sorry for being so long winded.
- Sean





Post# 400189 , Reply# 1   10/30/2018 at 22:06 (232 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
seanoliver77

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Sean,

The Kirby Tradition 3CB was produced from 1979 to 1981. Since you say your machine has a plastic fan and the Classic Omega/III-type speed switch (134374), then I assume yours is a 1980 or early '81... or perhaps a '79 if the plastic fan replaced the metal fan, and if the speed switch you describe had replaced the one originally mounted to the headlight cap (on serial nos. F000001-F399999).

There were also versions of the Tradition with the speed switch you describe AND the metal fan. Those ran between serial nos. F400001-F499999 with the additional headlight cap lock button (also on the early Traditions with the speed switch inside the light cap), and serial nos. F500001-F999999 on those machines with the conventional headlight cap.

Thus, I ask: what is the serial number on your machine, please?

A link to the Tradition owner's manual here:
www.kirby.com/Manuals/Old...

~Ben



Post# 400196 , Reply# 2   10/31/2018 at 12:17 (232 days old) by Rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
also,

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you can download the Kirby phone app and have access to all the owners' manuals

Post# 400201 , Reply# 3   10/31/2018 at 14:41 (232 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thank you for helping. The serial number on this machine is G374863. I do not know much about the actual machine because I just bought it a farm auction. There have been several things that have been modified. The belt that was in it I am sure is part of an inner tube from a car. I replaced that. I also had trouble with the belt lifter assembly, and did call the company about that as well, but they were not helpful. I did learn that you can buy a new floor nozzle if you want, however, those are about $115, which is considerably more than I paid for the unit. I fixed the belt lifter with J-B Weld and it is holding. I only did this as a last resort and would not recommend it, unless you are desperate for it to work within a day. Thank you for helping me.

-Sean


Post# 400212 , Reply# 4   10/31/2018 at 18:15 (231 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
seanoliver77

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Sean,

Your Tradition was built in the fall of 1980, so the plastic fan would be the correct one.

The belts you'll want will depend on the construction of the brush roll assembly:
1 - if your brush roll assembly is painted silver and has the transparent plastic sleeves on both ends, order the 159056 belt (159056G for 3 belts; 159056A for 25 belts)
2 - or, if the brush roll assembly has a bare wood finish and has the removable end caps, then it will have ball bearings inside. Order belt part no. 301291G.

~Ben


Post# 400213 , Reply# 5   10/31/2018 at 19:19 (231 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thanks. My brushroll is painted silver and has clear end caps. Should I replace it as well? I did order belts for it, however they are the ones from Amazon that are not OEM Kirby but do fit. I bought them in a pack of three. The belts have a number that is printed on them which is 9165 (I am assuming it is a part number) and they are non knurled. How do I tell if the brushroll needs to be replaced? The one that is in it seems to work, but I cannot get the adjustment screws to turn so maybe it needs to be fixed. The bristles do seem like they are in good shape though. Thanks again.
-Sean


Post# 400215 , Reply# 6   10/31/2018 at 19:27 (231 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

I believe your brush roll will have to be replaced if the two adjustment screws are rusted out (that is usually the reason why you can't turn them). These adjustment screws will have to be turned gradually (and both must also be adjusted equally) to keep the bristles sticking out at least 1/8" beyond the rug plate opening, in order to ensure effective cleaning. It must also be replaced if the bristles are worn down so much you can no longer turn the two screws to get more bristles.

If indeed all else fails with your original brush roll, then buy a new brush roll no. 152575, which will have ball bearings and which will also allow you to use the knurled belts.

~Ben


Post# 400218 , Reply# 7   10/31/2018 at 20:49 (231 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thanks. I will order a new brushroll and install it when I get the chance. I think between the bristles being worn down and the screws being full of dirt the brushroll should be replaced. I also see that I need a new nozzle seal. Does it require glue to hold it in place? Thanks.
-Sean


Post# 400219 , Reply# 8   10/31/2018 at 20:53 (231 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

You're referring to the O-ring that goes on the fan case. That seal ring is part no. 122068, and it is applied with a special glue called Pliobond.

~Ben


Post# 400224 , Reply# 9   10/31/2018 at 22:05 (231 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Yep that is what I need. Where would I find Pliobond? Is that something I have to special order or would a hardware store carry it? Is it similar to gasket maker? Is the seal directional? Thanks.
-Sean


Post# 400232 , Reply# 10   10/31/2018 at 23:35 (231 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

It (Pliobond) should be available at your local Ace Hardware store (if one exists near you).

~Ben


Post# 400235 , Reply# 11   11/1/2018 at 00:59 (231 days old) by huskyvacs (Northern Indiana)        

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If the Kirby will not turn on, check the safety switch and the connection where the lower power cord plugs into the vacuum. Spray the safety switch with electrical contact cleaner really well, and work it up and down with a screwdriver a dozen or so times. I have gotten 2 Kirbys for cheap advertised as having a dead motor only to find out the safety switches were rusty from sitting in basements and had frozen up.

But if you say it was in a barn and had mice get to it, be aware they might have crawled into the motor housing and chewed wires to make a nest inside it. Also when you are talking to Kirby about parts, they are going to quote you OEM prices. Look on eBay or in mom & pop vacuum shops, I am sure they will have a nozzle for under $50.


Post# 400285 , Reply# 12   11/1/2018 at 18:29 (230 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

I got the brushroll and seal ordered last night from USAVacuum.com and they should be in some time within the next week. I will have to try that with the 508 when I get the chance (I am currently at college so I will have to try it when I get home). The old 508 has been one of those things that I want to make run again. Grandpa did mention he thought something was wrong with the motor (30+ years ago, I do not know), but when I took the brushes out and tried to look in at the commutator I did not see or smell anything amiss, however I am also new to restoring vacuums and do not know as much about them. The brushes were not quite the same length when I took them out and inspected them. Would that be the problem? It acts like somewhere electricity is not even getting to the brushes. It does not buzz, whir or make any noise at all, just a click of the switch when you put the switch in the on position. I will have to clean it all up and see what is what. The 508 also seems to need the bearings packed but I cannot get the impeller off. I do not have the proper tools, and rust I assume. I figure if I get it to function, then I can work on making it run better and make it shiny. Thank you for the tip on the nozzle as well. I will have to call the stores and see what they say. The company was more interested in selling me a new floor nozzle, not helping me fix the old one which did not have much wrong with it. I was honestly more surprised that they would even have a part like that, seeing that the vacuum is almost 40 years old. How many other companies would have parts like that. Thanks again.
-Sean


Post# 400288 , Reply# 13   11/1/2018 at 20:30 (230 days old) by texaskirbyguy (Plano, TX)        

Hi Sean,
Welcome to the Kirby world! While restoring these may seem intimidating at first, they are very easy to work on if you are mechanically inclined.

I had made up some threads long ago that might help you in your projects and they are below:

Kirby resto tips and tricks:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bi...

My 505 restoration (including fixing its broken 508 belt lifter and removing the fan)
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bi...

My Tradition restoration:
www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bi...

Please create a resto thread for each model and post your progress. If you have questions we will be happy to help.

As for the nozzle seal, 3M car weatherstrip cement works great.
For the broken belt lifter, if you cannot fix yours, look on ebay for the floor polisher/miracle heads. They use the same lifter and those are cheaper (under $30) because very few people use or want them.
Kirbyfans on ebay has all the parts you need at great prices. The bearings should just be replaced at this point and he has them.


Post# 400289 , Reply# 14   11/1/2018 at 22:29 (230 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thank you for your help. I have been working on and using the Tradition and it is a good vacuum. It is a shakeout bag model, which I assume is modified because it has the full length zipper and no pocket. I fixed the belt lifter with J-B Weld. The 3 sections of it were coming apart when I would move the belt lifter up to put the belt on the spindle. It would get to that amount of tension and just snap right apart. I tried multiple times to make it right, including pushing it together tighter and spreading the tabs on the finger itself but to no avail. Then I J-B Welded the belt lifter pieces together and pressed the finger in. It works now. It was a fight, but I made it work. If I had it to do over again, I would not take the belt lifter out of the head to replace the vis-a-belt window. That is where my trouble started. I am happy with this machine. As for the 508, it is going to have to wait until I get home to work on it. Thank you for helping me out.
-Sean


Post# 400293 , Reply# 15   11/1/2018 at 23:45 (230 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

It is possible to use the full-length zipper bag as shake out if you remove the fill tube assembly from the Sani Emtor.

~Ben


Post# 400296 , Reply# 16   11/2/2018 at 01:25 (230 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

I forgot to show you some pictures of my Kirby Tradition: it is a 1979 model. Unlike yours, my Tradition has the metal fan.

The last 3 pictures show it with the shake out bag I got a month ago. That one is in better shape than the bag you see in the first 4 pictures.

~Ben


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Post# 400309 , Reply# 17   11/2/2018 at 18:52 (229 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Neat. Does your Tradition have the locking headlight cap and different speed switch? Do you like operating it? Are bags hard to change on these models? I am pretty sure that the previous owner(s) made the modification so it is a shake out bag. I was actually happy to see it in a way because bags are one less thing to replace. The bag was full to the top when I emptied it. It looked like dirt, dryer lint and hair. I cleaned it all out and put the em-tor back on the vacuum and tried it out in the hall. It started right up and didn't smoke or make bad noises so I turned it off and cleaned the dirt off of the outside of the machine. I like how the Tradition looks, the blue and shiny aluminum look good together. When I get the chance I will have to get some pictures of mine up here. Getting them from my flip phone to the computer may take time. I may just text them to my mother and have her email them to me. My parts shipped so they should be here no later than Monday. I will go to the store tomorrow to pick up Pliobond and go from there. I have liked working on this machine, I needed something to keep me busy. Polishing a vacuum cleaner and working on it did the trick. I also get to learn about the machine. That is one of my favorite things about working on any form of equipment is getting to learn about it. Thanks for sharing pictures with me.
-Sean


Post# 400311 , Reply# 18   11/2/2018 at 19:57 (229 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

It still has the locking headlight cap, but no longer does it have the original speed switch (134379) that you mount to the cap... it was since converted to the one below the fan case, like many of these early Traditions had since 1980. The 134379 speed switch had two buttons (low and high speed; only the hose uses the latter).

While the cap lock mechanism seemed fine, it was the speed switch (134379) that seemed to be misunderstood among many Kirby owners when they first bought these in 1979-80. What the intent of the switch was, it was to ensure that the machine would not run until the cap was firmly down toward the accessory that was currently attached (rug nozzle, hose, Crystalator, power polisher, Handi-Butler or Rug Renovator) and then locked into place. Thus, if someone tried to unlock and then open the cap while the machine was running, it would shut off. It was also supposed to keep moisture out of the motor when the Rug Renovator was being used. Each of the front-mounted accessories had a metal pin attached to them to jibe with one of the two buttons of the speed switch.

The problem with the 134379 speed switch was so much that Kirby advised owners to bring in their affected units for conversion to the 134374 speed switch (the one that is mounted to the fan case). Some of the later units, with the older style speed switch so mentioned, also had a blue rubber cover placed over it... this was, again, to keep moisture out of the motor while the Rug Renovator was being used. The blue cover also caused problems (notably, the speed switch selector arm being stuck in the down or "high speed" position) and Kirby also told owners to remove it when affected.

I also have an NOS headlight lock button (162079S), which I intend to use when I get around to doing more work on my Tradition.

~Ben


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Post# 400316 , Reply# 19   11/2/2018 at 21:12 (229 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Interesting. It makes sense why Kirby would use or want to use such safety features. Too bad the features were not well received and ended up breaking. I got the pictures to my computer so I will attempt to upload them. I do not have the before polishing picture yet so I may get it uploaded tomorrow. The pictures that I do have are two of the vacuum post polishing and one with the attachment sets open to view the contents Sorry in advance if they are blurry, they were taken on a flip phone with a poor camera. I hope that the difference can be seen between the before and after pictures. It is/was pretty significant. It is impressive what it looks like when the oxidation and water spots are taken off. Initially I just used Mother's aluminum polish on a soft rag, but there were some tougher spots where I used #0000 steel wool and Mother's aluminum polish and that worked better for the tough water spots. I still have a little bit to clean up on the em-tor but overall it is way better. It took me several hours to get it how it is know. Thank you for sharing about your vacuum and explaining what they changed and why.

-Sean


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Post# 400329 , Reply# 20   11/3/2018 at 03:00 (229 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
From one newbie to another,

Welcome Sean! Lurked in the background as a reader for about ten, joined last year. These are some of the nicest and informed people you could ever meet. Very generous with their time and knowledge. I hope to meet them in person at a convention or mini-meet in the future. On your 508 you mentioned that for now you'd like to see if you could get it running and then later take it further. I would say do the easy and obvious test/inspection first. Start with the power cord, borrow a known good one , like the Tradition's cord. Then go down your list. I'll bet those mice have contributed to the problem. They got in to my sisters cabin over the last winter and wreaked havoc on most of the kitchen appliances, toaster, coffee maker, you name it. She is even replacing the stove as they ripped insulation from the oven walls and wiring throughout. So check all the wiring. You mentioned the carbon brushes were of different length. I wonder if one got hung up in the holder or the spring tension was weaker on one than the other. I would also do as Huskyvacs says and get a can of contact cleaner and spray the speed/safety switch and work the button several times with the motor unplugged of course! Even if you aren't going to do anything major now on it, I would definitely go to texaskirbyguys resto sight to gain a whole lot of insight on what's involved. You are in good hands with these people, good luck, enjoy! Billy Clyde

Post# 400341 , Reply# 21   11/3/2018 at 11:30 (229 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thanks. I do need to look at the 508 closer. I have Christmas break in several weeks so I may try it then. I have looked at it several times and tried to figure it out but haven't been able to make it go. It does not have a cord so I was using an extension cord with an adapter the takes out the ground pin and to make the cord head smaller. I should try to clean up the switch and go from there. If I get some sign of "life" after I try that, meaning a buzz or a whir or it actually runs well. Then I will go through the motor and replace or repack the bearing and put new brushes in. I will probably have to clean the commutator as well. The brushes are probably the first thing that I will do. I hope that the internal components, the armature and the field of the motor are in good shape because those are the most expensive parts to replace. The mice do have me worried. I know they were in the em-tor and bag but do not know about the actual motor. They could have snipped a couple of wires without me knowing and that would cause it to not do anything when I move the switch to the on position. My grandpa did say that he thought something was wrong in the motor. He did not know what. I assume that it was the house vacuum until at least the DS80 came in the late 1960's or early 1970. Then it was used to clean out the grain drill on the farm for several years until it died. I am assuming that my grandpa didn't want to work on it because he wanted and purchased a shopvac after this or just thought the 508 had served well and deserved to be "retired." Where most people would throw it out, my grandpa kept it. I do not know why as, even I will verify that it doesn't work. I hope that the armature and field are at least in usable condition because I want to restore it without spending a whole lot of money on it. It is still just a 70 year old vacuum cleaner. I do think would be cool to work on and make new again but, like any project they become a money pit. It does have the attachments which is a plus. The box is in horrible shape between the water stains and mouse holes. It even has the floor polisher attachment. This 508 was great grandmas and according to my grandpa he remembers her using it and it was loud.
-Sean


Post# 400366 , Reply# 22   11/3/2018 at 17:39 (228 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

I have another question. What did the Tradition and attachments cost when new? Is there a published number of how many were produced and sold? I am just curious. I picked up some weatherstrip cement today and will use that on the seal. I could not find Pliobond so this is the next best thing. I also looked up some parts for the 508 and found that some of them are cheaper than I thought. Has anyone ever attempted to build a cord that looks like the factory one? I would just have to buy the right length of cord and the ends that look similar. I just do not know it if is any cheaper than buying an already made one. I should probably mention that I like to do as much of the mechanical work and polishing etc. as I can. Not only is it cheaper but then I get to learn from it and it keeps me busy.

-Sean


Post# 400377 , Reply# 23   11/3/2018 at 19:51 (228 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

Here's the notorious blue plastic cover your Tradition's speed switch used to have placed over it. I even saw a red one for the Classic III (but not on the US 120V models, yet). Kirby did this (along with the short-lived design speed switch mounted to inside the headlight cap that was initially used on the very first Traditions) to satisfy the UL double insulated safety laws in order to continue selling the Rug Renovator component.

The 2nd picture shows the symptom the speed switch cover had posed: the cleaner running even without anything attached to the front - which meant the speed switch selector arm was jammed in the down (high speed) position!

~Ben


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Post# 400382 , Reply# 24   11/3/2018 at 22:21 (228 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Interesting. It is kind of ironic that something that is supposed to make the vacuum safer actually made it unsafe. How did Kirby initially overlook something like that? Were they not tested enough? Were the features some of those ideas that look great on paper but do not work well in real life? I am glad they remedied it and were able to continue selling the Tradition and other models that followed. Was there actually a problem with water getting into the switches on earlier models or was the UL concerned that it might pose a problem? I can see that it could, I just wonder if it actually did. However, the UL does say what can and can't be sold so it is probably best to just do what they say and fix it. Why did Kirby not go to a design like that of the Heritage II earlier? It would have saved a lot of headaches and problems. I bet it would scare anyone if the machine would run without anything on the front, dangerous as well. Thank you for sharing more about these interesting problems.

-Sean


Post# 400383 , Reply# 25   11/3/2018 at 22:57 (228 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

They did redesign the speed switch again for the Heritage I. This time, the actual speed switch (134381 for Heritage I and 134384 for Heritage II/Legend II) was inside the motor unit (what you see on the fan case is just the mechanism that triggers it), so now nothing would go wrong with the motor as much when the Rug Renovator was being used.

You are welcome.

~Ben


Post# 400384 , Reply# 26   11/3/2018 at 23:39 (228 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thanks. It makes more sense now. I guess I have looked at the switch on the Heritage II and did not think much about it. I do know that the hose off of the G5 does not work on the Heritage II. I tried it and it didn't work. Did they sell less Tradition models due to the issues previously mentioned? Thanks.

-Sean


Post# 400386 , Reply# 27   11/3/2018 at 23:53 (228 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

Sort of. The Tradition had one other hurdle: because it was the first Kirby ever to have a disposable bag system, obviously there were problems with it that first time around. The size of the fill tube was too narrow to work efficiently, and the top adapter had an oval shaped opening.

The Heritage I's fill tube was improved, but still had the oval shaped opening on the top adapter; consequently, most users opted to replace that with the Style 3 top adapter (with the circle opening). Until 1983, the Heritage I's fill tube was made of cloth (an unusual trait), and also the rug plate was redesigned (no dividing bars, except the one where the belt is) to promote the cleaning effectiveness of the new double-bristle brush roll. But even the new rug plate proved problematic, since users complained it destroyed their power cords (when ran over with the machine - something you should never, ever do in the first place), and Kirby changed the design of the rug plate (with the missing dividers back in place) in response.

You are right that the G5 hose does not work on anything up to the G4. The fan case gasket used on the G5 through the present Avalir II is much thicker, which eliminates one gasket from the hose coupling.

~Ben




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Post# 400409 , Reply# 28   11/4/2018 at 12:41 (228 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

More interesting information. I guess these issues that were remedied are what made the Heritage II such a great vacuum. I guess every company has had some problems with various models, but most of them learn from it and move on and are able to continue to grow. The cloth fill tube sounds like and interesting feature. Why did they try that? Another way to increase airflow and still utilize the disposable bag? Another thing that was good to fix. I am surprised to see that Kirby didn't design their new brush roll with the current rug plate in mind. Thanks again.

-Sean


Post# 400537 , Reply# 29   11/7/2018 at 21:54 (224 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

I got my parts installed yesterday and they work well. Thanks for sharing those part numbers and tips with me.

-Sean


Post# 400545 , Reply# 30   11/8/2018 at 09:29 (224 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

You're quite welcome!

~Ben


Post# 400742 , Reply# 31   11/12/2018 at 20:10 (219 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Now that I have a complete vacuum, I would like to locate one particular attachment for it. Does anyone have or know someone who has a blue shag king attachment? I have heard/read that these are rare and had seen one on ebay, but it had other attachments that I didn't want and they wanted too much for the small collection. thank you everyone for all of your help.

-Sean


Post# 400745 , Reply# 32   11/12/2018 at 20:38 (219 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

You are right that the Tradition was the last machine to have the Shag King option. It was used for long shag rugs.

And this was the link that you were talking about:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Kirby-Vacuum-Cl...

~Ben


Post# 400747 , Reply# 33   11/12/2018 at 20:53 (219 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

That listing is a different one than the one I saw. These tools are actually cheaper than the others. The listing that I saw was a blue shag king, miracle head, waxer and a suds-o-gun. The seller wanted $29.00 plus and I was not willing to pay that, especially for attachments that I kind of wanted but at the same time did not need. I only wanted the one attachment. Thank you for finding that link.

-Sean


Post# 401874 , Reply# 34   12/3/2018 at 20:18 (198 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hello everyone,
I figured I should let you know that I just purchased a Shag King attachment along with parts of a Rug Renovator off of ebay for the Kirby Tradition. It should be here in about two weeks. Thank you all for telling me to check often and wait for other parts.

-Sean


Post# 401875 , Reply# 35   12/3/2018 at 20:20 (198 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

That's cool! I can't wait!

~Ben


Post# 401951 , Reply# 36   12/4/2018 at 19:16 (197 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

It will be cool. I do not necessarily want the other parts, but they my come in handy for something. It was one of those, "I probably will not find this price with free shipping again for a long time if ever" deals. I just hope they get delivered before I go back home for Christmas. I am hoping the Shag King will fluff up the carpet at my house this summer. It is not a full on shag carpet, but it does have a deeper pile. Thank you again for your ebay tips.

-Sean


Post# 402076 , Reply# 37   12/6/2018 at 16:13 (195 days old) by Rowdy141 (United Kingdom)        

I doubt you'll find a Tradition Shag-King Attachment for sale individually. that's why most of us buy another machine, or attachment set, just for the one or two parts we're missing.

I did try giving away my spare Tradition trim, parts, tools, cloth-bag, polisher... two large boxes of stuff; I mentioned 7.50 (USD 10) postage and never heard from him again!

I guess for some people, Free is not cheap enough?


Post# 402077 , Reply# 38   12/6/2018 at 16:17 (195 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Alan,

That is what I did recently to score a few attachments for my 1987 Heritage II: just buy the entire lot that included the 1984 Heritage II that they were for, which I did locally for just $15.

~Ben


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Post# 402097 , Reply# 39   12/6/2018 at 21:43 (195 days old) by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Sean, It really does pay to shop around.

The difference between what that seller wanted for the shag rake and a few other pieces at 29.00 and what Kirby Classic III got for half his price says it all. So are you going to work on the 508 when you go home for Christmas?

Post# 402098 , Reply# 40   12/6/2018 at 22:00 (195 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Ebay can be a challenge because the parts are a usually decent price but the shipping is where it gets expensive. Thankfully, this was free shipping so I figured I better take it while it was there. I figured that these tools being semi rare and being that I wanted one I better take it. I could find the other model Shag Kings separately but they were the wrong color. I want the tools to all match. I do plan to at the very least look closer at the 508 and see if I can make it turn on. If I can get it that far I can do the rest this summer. If I get it to turn on I can verify the condition of the motor without tearing it down initially, although I do think that that may be inevitable if the bearings are going to be serviced. Like I said before, I have not smelled anything amiss while looking at it before, but I am not sure that is the greatest indicator of condition. I am excited to great-grandma's vacuum fully functioning.

-Sean


Post# 402452 , Reply# 41   12/12/2018 at 14:07 (190 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

My items arrived today. I have a Shag King, Crystalator/air inlet, tank for a Rug Renovator,hose for a Rug Renovator, a crevice tool brush, a screen for the Suds-O-Gun and an assortment of Rug Renovator protection pads. The tank looks like it has been glued together so it might leak. What are the protection pads for? Do they have a purpose? I have seen them before but I am not sure what is/was done with them. Thanks for everything.

Sean


Post# 402479 , Reply# 42   12/12/2018 at 18:32 (189 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

The Rug Protector Pads were designed to be placed under certain articles of furniture to avoid getting rust spots on them while the rug was being shampooed with the Kirby assembled with the Rug Renovator.

~Ben




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Post# 402484 , Reply# 43   12/12/2018 at 21:40 (189 days old) by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Ok. That makes sense. I can see why such an accessory would be helpful. Yet another reason why Kirby is a pretty good company. They seem to think of just about every use and or option for their machines. If only the sales people were not so pushy and sometimes dishonest.

-Sean


Post# 403911 , Reply# 44   1/10/2019 at 23:31 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hello everyone,
I hope you all had a great Christmas holiday and New Years. I did some work with the Kirby 508 while I was home, however I did not get very far. I took the switch housing off of the side and tried to remove the switch. I am assuming that the main switch could be the source of my problems as it seems a little loose which could lead to a poor or nonexistent connection between the two contacts. I am able to remove the one screw that holds the switch in, but the other one is not budging. I ended up stripping the head so I am trying to come up with another method of removal. The switch makes it hard to get in there with anything besides a screwdriver. I tried to spray some kind of penetrating oil on the part of the screw and housing to make it come loose. No luck. I think a small drill would work to get the head taken off, then I could get the switch out and then I could get on the stub with a vise grip pliers or similar tool. I don't have any other ideas. I looked closer at the floor nozzle and compared it to the floor buffer and the scripts on the belt lifters are different. The floor buffer has the original "Kirby" script in cursive and the nozzle has the later style, not cursive, so I am assuming somewhere the belt lifter or whole nozzle was replaced. I do not know, I do know that it is all trimmed out in red so it must have been changed out many years ago. What do you all think?
-Sean


Post# 404056 , Reply# 45   1/14/2019 at 03:48 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Sean,

If you haven't already drilled that screw head off, try using an impact wrench. I bought one about 20 yrs. ago at Sears for ab out 8.00. You can google it to see what it looks like. You strike the end with a hammer and it ratchets the screw bit just a tad in either direction. Good for breaking a stubborn screw loose. Used it many times on many a Kirby, especially on the blower housing. Good luck. You could also try just putting a screw driver on the screw and while tapping with a hammer, twist on the handle. That's after you've let the penetrating oil soak in for a while, even over night. Bill

Post# 404112 , Reply# 46   1/15/2019 at 12:07 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thank you for the tips,
I will have to look into a tool like that for next time. It probably would have worked pretty well. The first time I tried to take it apart I got a little impatient and stewed the head, not as bad as I have seen but bad enough that a regular screwdriver wouldn't work. This go around I just made it worse. It involved chisels and at the end an air chisel which made the head almost smooth. I hope that the screw is now easier to drill out. I am not particularly happy with myself. I guess it is because I am used to working on farm tractors where you can try and force things more (to a point, I have broken things on them as well). I am still learning. I will go after it more this summer. It all boils down to poor technique. The hard part is to not destroy the switch. I have discovered that new ones are hard to find. I have found several on ebay but no guarantees on them working. I was thinking I could try and somehow fix the switch with either soldering or some other way to tighten it up. If it turns out to be the problem. Thanks again.

-Sean


Post# 404193 , Reply# 47   1/17/2019 at 03:52 by scudo (uk)        

...."If you haven't already drilled that screw head off, try using an impact wrench".....

What has worked for me in the past with some screws is using my cordless drill (with screwdriver bit) on the `hammer` setting.


Post# 404256 , Reply# 48   1/18/2019 at 21:06 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thank you. Another thing to try for next time so I don't mess up the slot in the head. If I would have been more patient or careful when I tried to take it apart the first time. I would not be in this situation. I definitely have some more learning to do, and new tools to find/purchase. Thank you for the tip.

-Sean


Post# 405229 , Reply# 49   2/7/2019 at 20:16 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

I also forgot to show you my Kirby Tradition attachments! I have most of them, but seven tools are still missing.

~Ben


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Post# 405356 , Reply# 50   2/11/2019 at 15:17 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Neat. I like looking at attachments. They are fascinating to me. All of the different tools and their unique purposes. I do not know how many were actually used, but there are certainly a lot of different options. The interesting thing is what parts go missing and why. Even the standard set of Kirby Attachments is impressive, then you add on Rug Renovators and the Handi-Butler on older models. Are there certain attachments that are in a standard set that are rarer than others? What all are you missing? I can see the swivel attachment, curved wand attachment and straight wand are missing. What others are not there? At least you have a Tradition manual. The manual that I have is from a Legend. Two attachment sets and neither one has the correct manual. What do you think about the blue plastic case that these attachments come in? I have heard mixed reviews.

Thanks
-Sean


Post# 405360 , Reply# 51   2/11/2019 at 18:08 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

Yes.

On the Classic 1CR and Classic Omega 1CB, a special attachment was included with the Handi-Butler: the "Swedish Massager."

The missing tools in my Tradition basic tool set are:
1 - long extension tube
2 - curved extension tube
3 - shoulder strap
4 - Suds-O-Gun cap
5 - utility air nozzle (black one currently filling in)
6 - dusting brush (gray one - for models 508 to 515 - was in this)
7 - swivel tube for surface nozzle

~Ben


Post# 405390 , Reply# 52   2/12/2019 at 11:40 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hello,

Thank you for the list. There is a partial set on ebay for $23.95, free shipping. It has some of the attachments you need. It had the curved wand, utility air nozzle, crevice tool, medium floor head with brush, upholstery brush, massage cup and blower tool. Most of them were duplicates.
There is another listing that I found, it has a lot. They are $18.99, shipping not included. It includes some parts for a Classic III as well. There was a Handi-Butler and a hose and Shag-Kings. A lot of stuff in general. Another listing has a handle and shoulder strap for $16.95 and free shipping. I have an extra Suds-O-Gun cap from when I bought my Shag-King. If you want it let me know. The only thing about it that is less than ideal is the screen. It has been replaced with a red one. The body of the part is blue but the screen is red.

Thanks,
Sean


Post# 408725 , Reply# 53   4/26/2019 at 23:28 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hello,

I am getting ready to head home for the summer. I hope that at some point I get to work on the 508. There may not be time but I will figure something out. I know that I will vacuum out the bag on the Tradition. It needs it. I purchased a new hose for the Heritage II and am looking forward to using it. Ben, did you find any of the attachments that you needed? I still have a couple that you can have if you want.
-Sean


Post# 408734 , Reply# 54   4/27/2019 at 01:32 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

No. I'd love to have the few you claim to have, please. Send me an e-mail, with pictures of these items, to either:
(1) ClassicTVLover81@comcast.net
or, if (1) fails...
(2) benjamin.marioe1@gmail.com

Thank you,



Ben


Post# 408762 , Reply# 55   4/27/2019 at 11:39 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hi,

The extra attachments that I have are a suds-o-gun cap that has the red screen, tank and hose for a Tradition Rug Renovator and an air intake guard. The Rug Renovator tank screen is also red and has fallen apart. As a side note, I also went on ebay and purchased a NOS apparently, foot switch for the 508. Is it NOS? I do not know. It said it is that does not mean it is. I figured for $15.00 it couldn't hurt. I will get a picture of some of these things and send them to you.
Thanks.
-Sean


Post# 408768 , Reply# 56   4/27/2019 at 14:54 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Ben,

I sent you an email to the first address. It did send. Hope to hear from you.

Thanks,

-Sean


Post# 408785 , Reply# 57   4/27/2019 at 16:55 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

I got it!

~Ben


Post# 408786 , Reply# 58   4/27/2019 at 17:01 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Ben,
Great. What do you think?

-Sean


Post# 408788 , Reply# 59   4/27/2019 at 17:20 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Sean,

Looking forward to your updates on these machines throughout the summer, keep us posted! By the way, if you don't mind, what courses are you taking at college? Billy

Post# 408789 , Reply# 60   4/27/2019 at 17:43 by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        
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Sean,

I would definitely be interested in the Suds-O-Gun cap and everything else relevant to your Tradition.

~Ben


Post# 408795 , Reply# 61   4/27/2019 at 18:56 by kirbyklekter (Concord,Ca.)        
Oooops! My bad,

Sean, Ben, I landed right in the middle of your conversation and I just wanted to apologize for that. Mom was right, "look Both ways before crossing."

Post# 408797 , Reply# 62   4/27/2019 at 19:15 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Ben,
I will get pictures and a better description of what I will send you if you want it. I will try to set a reasonable price so both of us get a fair deal. This might take a week or two. There is no reason to have two attachment sets. Thank you for your patience. Billy, the answer to your question is, I am in the process of attaining an Agriculture Operations degree. With hopes of some day taking over the family farm or starting my own. I have several more years of this and may work at a different Ag enterprise for a couple of years before returning to farming. Thanks for asking.

-Sean


Post# 409205 , Reply# 63   5/8/2019 at 09:02 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Hello everyone,

I have been busy farming ever since I got home. Ben, most of my attachments that you need I can send you if you want me to. I do not want to over charge for these pieces so after they ship we can discuss a price. I received my switch for the 508 and it feels like it will work better. The toggle part feels more tight. I will need help wiring it, as I only see one terminal to wire to. I hope the switch fixes the turning on problem so I don't have to buy other motor parts outside of brushes. I will probably work more on it once seeding is done. Thanks.
-Sean


Post# 409226 , Reply# 64   5/8/2019 at 21:31 by Lesinutah (Utah)        
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I imagine your talking about the power toggle switch. You wouldn't necessarily see posts. There is a black and white wire from headlight. There is black and white wire from field coil and black and white wire going under the body to nozzle safety switch. The blacks go together and whites go together. If say you have 4 screws on bottom of the toggle switch.
1 3
2 4
The 1 would be black. The 4 would be white wires and on the side of switch 1&3 2 green wires or ground wires are installed there.
It's been a little bit since I did one but that's what I remember.
Hope to see a 508 pic soon they are nice vacs.
Les


Post# 409274 , Reply# 65   5/9/2019 at 09:19 by seanoliver77 (KALISPELL)        

Thank you. I looked at the new switch and did not see the usual posts. I will start working on it here shortly once I get some other things taken care of. I still need to remove one of the screws to get the old switch out of the housing. I think I will have to drill it out or something and just buy a new screw that is the same length and thread pattern. After I replace that switch and see if that makes it run, I will replace the brushes as well and polish it, along with replace the wheels and rubber trim on the head light. It still needs a bag but I cannot find one as of yet. I am looking forward to making great-grandma's Kirby about as good as new. Thanks again.

-Sean





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