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Post# 384763   1/24/2018 at 17:06 (268 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

Hi All

Have an old Shark that isn't cutting it anymore, have read that bag-less is superior, open to all suggestions and eager to learn. Here is my info:

2200 sq. ft home, 2 stories, only 1 set of stairs
1/3 of the house is carpeted (the 5 bedrooms) and the rest of the house is CoreTec Vinyl flooring
2 cats that shed fairly well and 1 toddler
Young male that can handle a heavier vacuum
I tend to vacuum every day myself because the vinyl floors are dark walnut color and tend to show anything that gets on them.
I dust furniture and bookshelves with a cloth but prefer to use a vacuum on the couches and chairs.

Thank you,

Post# 384794 , Reply# 1   1/25/2018 at 09:04 (267 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

First off, bagless is generally terrible. There's a few reasons - one, those cyclones restrict the flow of air a lot, and airflow is what cleans; two, bagless machines are rarely well-sealed, so they leak dust; and three, bagless machines still have filters that clog up, so they are not maintenance-free. No vacuum is, frankly.

That said, for your use case, it sounds like a canister vacuum with a power nozzle is a good fit. Uprights aren't great for bare floors, and suction-only machines don't cut it for carpets. If you're buying new, then your best bet depends on your budget, but the three best brands for canisters right now are Sebo, Miele and Riccar/Simplicity. Riccar and Simplicity are two different brands for the same products, essentially, differing only in color.

The Sebo K3, E3 or D4 with the ET-1 power nozzle would all be a good fit. Note, you want an electric power nozzle, not a turbo head: turbo heads will not suffice for cat hair while electric nozzles will.

For Miele, there are versions of the low-end C1, midline C2 and high-end C3 that come with electric nozzles. You want the full-size SEB228 or SEB236 nozzles, not the compact SEB217. All three vacuums have the same motor; the key differences are that the C2 and C3 are fully sealed, and the C3 has internal tool storage.

For Simplicity or Riccar, you want the Wonder or Prima. Your call between the normal full-size power nozzle or the top-end tandem air nozzle. The latter is better, on paper, but the former is also outstanding. I have the older Verve canister with the non-tandem power nozzle and it does an outstanding job on cat hair, grooms well and shakes loose sand.

If those three are outside your budget, look at the Fuller Brush Home Maid canister, which is very similar to the Simplicity Wonder (it's made by the same parent company, Tacony Corporation), but with a different power nozzle. For the price, it's hard to beat, though the Simplicity/Riccar versions do have a better power nozzle.

Post# 384801 , Reply# 2   1/25/2018 at 11:57 (267 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@jade_angel is giving you great options!
I would second that.
Personally I steer more towards the German options than the Riccar/Simplicity options.

You might go to a vacuum store and test drive a few of them.
You'll be blown away compared to the shark.

Post# 384805 , Reply# 3   1/25/2018 at 12:49 (267 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

This all really depends how much $$ you have/want to spend on a vacuum. You can get very decent used machines for much less money than a new Sebo or Simplicity. I am sure there are vacuum stores in San Diego where you try out machines. But I would seriously consider a used machine over a new one; no sense in throwing money away.

Post# 384806 , Reply# 4   1/25/2018 at 12:53 (267 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri)        

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I would never go with a Miele - the initial cost is VERY high as is the upkeep. Bags for that german brand come four to a box for $20. I don't like throwing $5 bills in the trash can. The HEPA filter for a Miele is $50 per year. Ouch.

Why not check out the new Sharks? The new Shark Apex is a very nice vacuum. Your cost is about $275 and NO BAGS TO BUY!

Post# 384810 , Reply# 5   1/25/2018 at 13:56 (267 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I think you can get Miele bags cheaper than that and you have to have the HEPA filter it still filters very well without it. I would personally choose a Miele over a Shark.

Post# 384811 , Reply# 6   1/25/2018 at 13:57 (267 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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You dont have to have the HEPA filter I meant to say

Post# 384815 , Reply# 7   1/25/2018 at 15:09 (267 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

Thanks for all the advice so far!

Where would I try and acquire a used Sebo or Simplicity?

Shark Apex? Isn't that a bagless vacuum and hence no good?

Post# 384817 , Reply# 8   1/25/2018 at 15:17 (267 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@dysonman1 did @compddd do something personal to you? That is almost complete opposite of what the vacuum cleaner collector/service Community usually suggest.

It's also a fact you can buy the filters in bags and bulk and get them for much less than what you suggested.

I would not wish a Shark vacuum on anybody.
If you got to go $100 cheap at least get a Hoover.

Post# 384818 , Reply# 9   1/25/2018 at 15:40 (267 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri)        

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I personally like bagless vacuum cleaners. Who wants to store dirt in the closet?
I can find much better uses for my money than buying bags and filters.

Genuine Miele bags come four to a box for $20 plus sales tax. Genuine Miele hepa filters are $49.95 and according to the Miele dealer, it should be changed once a year.

You could always buy bojack bags, but why risk voiding the warranty? After all, the Miele is extremely expensive and overpriced (very overpriced) so if you buy one you should use genuine parts.

My bagless central vac (Vacuflo) works very well, and holds a years worth of dirt before emptying.

My Rainbow is bagless, and leaves the house smelling clean and fresh.

My Kirby uses bags, and stinks after a week or two of old dirt.

Post# 384819 , Reply# 10   1/25/2018 at 15:41 (267 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

Jade Angel

Does this Miele model from BB&B have the nozzle you are talking about?


Post# 384821 , Reply# 11   1/25/2018 at 15:54 (267 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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I've gone off bagless too messy. I would like to try a Rainbow not sure I'll like all the faffing about though and they are quite heavy when the bowl is full of water.
Here in the UK you can get 4 Miele bags for around 8 -10 and the Hepa filter around 20 if you really need it. I'd rather pay for the bags than empty a bagless cleaner. I've not noticed too much smell coming from the Miele bags.

Post# 384823 , Reply# 12   1/25/2018 at 16:02 (267 days old) by Vacfan1982 (Cardiff)        

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And Rainbows aren't exactly cheap are they. I would say they were overpriced too very overpriced 😀

Post# 384826 , Reply# 13   1/25/2018 at 16:33 (267 days old) by compactc9guy (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        
my 2 cents here

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Forget about bag less unless you want a dust bleacher dust storm in the house .Miele Sebo Aerus Tristar or Filter queen altho higher end machines filters s well and some have hepa good attachements well built and built to last also
whats your budget ?awesome suction and very well built nota dust bleacher can do upholstery carpet rugs floor whit ease im byass i own few lux ap200 and Discovery 2 and Compact c9 but if i had the money id go whit a Perfect Power team or Tristar cs suction air flow ease of use . Just my opinion and thoughts is all .

Post# 384834 , Reply# 14   1/25/2018 at 18:31 (267 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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We all know the stuff cost less money in a dealer that's the way Miele is pricing structure is. And Miele sells performance packs on their website for $99 that include 4 pre filters ,HEPA and 16 bags . Which I think are pretty reasonably priced . You can also buy a box genuine bags for $18.99 from Amazon.
Dry Bagless vacuums are messy dirty and require lots of time washing filters almost every time you use them see the post about it titled Shark Week.

Shark is a company also has really no parts available though they will offer to replace your machine. If you're willing to pay the shipping.

At least if you get a low end Hoover parts and local service are readily available.

If your Kirby is stinking they make active carbon vacuum bags you can buy for it.

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Post# 384838 , Reply# 15   1/25/2018 at 19:35 (266 days old) by matt8808 (Teesside - North East - UK)        

I agree with everything jade_angel has said. Very sound advice.

I'd personally buy either the Miele or Sebo.

I have a Miele C3 myself and it is a very nice machine.

Post# 384839 , Reply# 16   1/25/2018 at 19:56 (266 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
how about a central vac

I also agree with Jade_angel's suggestions, I would say a power nozzle canister is the best choice. When it comes to the German brands, I would go with Sebo over Miele, both are good machines but Sebos are made better and most of the C1 and C2 Miele models are made in China now. This in itself does not mean they are bad, but it appears as though Miele is trying to cut costs a bit. The Riccar Prima and Simplicity Wonder are great machines, same machine just a different color.
I would avoid the filter queen, that's basically a bagless machine and will have the problems that have already been mentioned with those. If you want something bagless, a water filtration machine with a separator is the way to go.
Now to what I really wanted to mention in this message, based on the size of your house, you might consider installing a central vacuum. These are very powerful and should be able to handle all of your cleaning needs. You can get attachment kits that will include an electric power nozzle along with attachments to handle the other cleaning jobs such as a hard floor brush, dusting brush, etc.

Post# 384843 , Reply# 17   1/25/2018 at 20:22 (266 days old) by royalfan (Chicago)        

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@compddd a Miele with a power nozzle on sale I'm buying it tomorrow!
Thanks for the link .

Post# 384844 , Reply# 18   1/25/2018 at 20:44 (266 days old) by Luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

@compddd - If I were you, I would check out the offerings at a vacuum repair facility. Most have previously used units for sale I'm sure they would be glad to let you try out. Don't bother with a bagless machine. They typically don't last very long and can be a pain to clean out on a regular basis. A canister is a good choice, but I very much prefer having both an upright and a canister. The Oreck XL upright I have is great for quick pick ups when I don't feel like getting the canister out, but the canister is great for the ease of reaching under furniture and under chair legs where my upright does not reach as well. I have a used Electrolux Epic canister that is a great, powerful machine that works very well for me and the bags are very inexpensive. The bags for the Oreck are very large and I can go for quite a while between changes.

Post# 384845 , Reply# 19   1/25/2018 at 20:45 (266 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

So the C2 I found at BB&B is good? It has the SEB228 or SEB236 nozzles?

Post# 384851 , Reply# 20   1/25/2018 at 23:05 (266 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@compddd Comes with SEB 228

Post# 384859 , Reply# 21   1/26/2018 at 07:28 (266 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

IMHO, the SEB228 performs slightly better than the SEB236 anyway. It's bigger and a bit chunkier, and doesn't have a light, but it actually agitates better and does a better job of dislodging sand and fuzz.

Post# 384864 , Reply# 22   1/26/2018 at 09:55 (266 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

I believe this nozzle is a rebranded Wessel-werk EBK360 which is a very good nozzle. You would think that the higher the model number, the better the nozzle, the SEB236 is actually made by Miele I think.

Post# 384893 , Reply# 23   1/26/2018 at 22:27 (265 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

I ended up getting the C2 Miele from BB&B, they allowed the 20% coupon to be used so I got it for $413 after tax, not bad I think!

Only thing I'm concerned about, do the bags fill up quick?

Post# 384900 , Reply# 24   1/27/2018 at 02:40 (265 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

FORGET the Sharks---their powernozzles have sealed non-serviceable parts.You have to replace the nozzle or even the whole vacuum.Who wants to play in the dirt and dust of these machines?A BAGGED machine is FAR better-and easier to maintain.When you replace the bag--you get a NEW primary filter!I have had NO odor problems with my Kirby bags.If you do pick up after pets and such there are carbon fiber impregnated bags available from Kirby.Try them and see if the odor problems go away.Sharks are DUMPSTER vacuums-simple as that!They are a disposable vacuum!If a Kirby bag smells-you can replace it-if the Shark smells-you have to try to wash it out or REPLACE the whole vacuum!Sebo makes a fine canister vacuum.They are well made-work well.And the D series machines have a HUGE Filtrete type bag that holds like an upright!The filters in these are easy to replace.Since the bag in a bagged vacuum deals with MOST of the dirt-filters last longer!

Post# 384914 , Reply# 25   1/27/2018 at 10:49 (265 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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DON'T go bagless! They are the absolute worst! If you are looking for a high end cleaner ($1000+), get an Aerus vacuum. Their Guardian Upright, the Guardian canister, the Lux Classic and The Lux Legacy are all made in the USA and will last you forever. They also have a little motorized brush called the "Sidekick" for cleaning pet hair. My Aerus from 1949 is still going strong. If you are looking for a middle end vacuum ($400-$900), Go with a Simplicity or Riccar vacuum. They are made in the USA and are good vacuums for $500. If you are looking for a low end cleaner ($100 and below), I would go with the Bissell PowerForce Bagged. Decent suction and it is $48.95. It's a decent budget vac.

Post# 385035 , Reply# 26   1/29/2018 at 10:37 (263 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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For me personally, the only bagless vacuum that I wouldn't ever have a problem using is a true cyclonic central vacuum like the Vacuflo for example. I wouldn't mind using some other bagless vacuums but I would only use them once every while. And there are most that I would never use but I still wouldn't have a problem collecting them.

The local Miele dealer here sells Miele vacuums at a discount price but not the bags, filters, or parts.

Post# 385046 , Reply# 27   1/29/2018 at 19:11 (262 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        


How much of a discount from the local dealer?

Post# 385064 , Reply# 28   1/30/2018 at 08:31 (262 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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The bags don't seem to fill fast at all, I know they look small, but boy it packs them full and is still working fine to the end

Post# 385067 , Reply# 29   1/30/2018 at 10:25 (262 days old) by panasonicvac (Northern Utah)        

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Usually 15% off on some models but not all of them, including trade ins as well. Sometimes just like us (I work at a vacuum store) they would also offer holiday specials but it depends on what the special is.

Post# 385069 , Reply# 30   1/30/2018 at 10:41 (262 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

@panasonicvac Bed Bath and Beyond had the Miele C2 for $120 off and I was able to stack their 20% coupon on top of that as well, did I get a good deal?

Post# 385083 , Reply# 31   1/30/2018 at 17:12 (262 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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@compddd most local dealers will accommodate that price if Miele is running a sale themselves.
I think you got a great price.
If you owned a vacuum store is the only way you get a better price than that.

Post# 385105 , Reply# 32   1/31/2018 at 00:17 (261 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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Hi Joe. Whatever you decide on I probably have that one which i will sell you at a good price.
I too live in San Diego and have a large number of vacuums i am slowly selling off.

Post# 385121 , Reply# 33   1/31/2018 at 11:39 (261 days old) by compddd (San Diego)        

@stricklybojack Do you have any Sebo D4's for sale?

Post# 385152 , Reply# 34   1/31/2018 at 22:19 (260 days old) by Stricklybojack (Southern California)        

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No I do not.
I have a Miele Aluminum and a Gemini canister though.
Plus various Tristars, a Miracle Mate, a few Filter Queens. and a bunch of other canisters.

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