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Post# 379613   10/12/2017 at 14:49 (348 days old) by vacuumdevil (Denver)        

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Over the years I've worked different places that have particle counters and I personally know which vacuums contain dust and which do not.I wish to share this knowledge. Right now I have access to an IQ air particle tester down to .03 microns.

Please let me know if there are any vacuums you'd like me to test. I have access to a lot of different machines that come in my shop but I'm definitely not going to have access to something rare. I'll try to post a video with the results.

Post# 379615 , Reply# 1   10/12/2017 at 14:53 (348 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Very curious

I would like to see the readings for the water based machines, Rainbow and Sirena.
I saw on one of your videos that Filter Queen didn't filter that well. Just wondering about the two water based separator machines.

Post# 379617 , Reply# 2   10/12/2017 at 15:05 (348 days old) by rainbowguy2016 (Denton ,Tx)        
Particle counter

kirbysthebest I have seen a video of the newest Rainbow being tested and it went down to 0 . Miele isn't the only one that goes down to 0 and im not sure about the Sirena.

Post# 379618 , Reply# 3   10/12/2017 at 15:13 (348 days old) by luxkid1980 (Richmond, Virginia)        

Do you have any of the Electrolux Epic series canisters in your store that you could test? I have the 6500SR, but any of the variants would be fine.

Post# 379723 , Reply# 4   10/14/2017 at 02:53 (347 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I have tested my Rainbows with the IQair meter-same with the vac shop-they don't blow "0" because of the water vapor being blown out of the Rainbow.The meter can't tell the difference between the dust or water vapor.The meter will still count the vapor even though it isn't dust or dirt.

Post# 379728 , Reply# 5   10/14/2017 at 04:03 (346 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Those Riccar uprights are not sealed? I know the 3rd one was but even it leaked. My question is, why are they not all sealed?

Post# 379736 , Reply# 6   10/14/2017 at 07:05 (346 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Why are all vacuums not sealed? It is a good question. To be honest, until I became attracted to vacuums as a hobby I had no awareness motors spit our carbon dust. I had no awareness that there are sealed and unsealed vacuums. I think for most people in this world a vacuum is a vacuum is a vacuum with the main considerations being does my floor look clean after I vacuum, to make my floor look clean do I only need to make 1 or 2 passes and is it easy to use/carry? Sealing a system invariably adds cost.

In product design a company wants to address what is important to the target customer. If the target customer identifies lower cost is important and doesn't consider whether a vacuum is sealed or not it makes sense to make a lower cost vacuum that is not sealed. Where a manufacturer's product gets squirrelly is when they claim it is sealed but it actually leaks like a sieve. To me, making a claim then not delivering on the promise is significantly worse for a brand than not making the claim at all. Based on some of this Simplicity/Riccar testing I see here I now have much less respect for the brand.

Here is a Simplicity Synergy Claim from the manufacturer:
"Want cleaning performance? You got it. Two motors work in tandem to lift more dirt and allergens than ever before from your carpets and floors and then whisk it away. Dust is trapped in Synergy's 100% sealed system and 7 layers of filtration including a self-sealing HEPA media bag, HEPA media filter and a granulated charcoal filter."

Having seen the claim and then seeing the leaking vacuum I can no longer trust any of this brand's claims.

Post# 379739 , Reply# 7   10/14/2017 at 08:19 (346 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I guess I just assumed

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all high end vacuums were sealed systems, especially nowadays, when manufacturers like to make that claim like Shark. It is annoying for a 7 filter sealed machine to leak making it almost pointless. But I think the hepa bags do 99.9% of the work. My experience with them is they catch almost everything - even fine dust. So if anything is leaking past the bag, I think it would be very minor....but it still bugs me.

Post# 379765 , Reply# 8   10/14/2017 at 18:31 (346 days old) by oldskoolguy (Chicago, Illinois)        
Try these...

Kirby with their TOL disposable bag
Hoover convertible or guardsman with A style Hepa Bag
Fuller brush mighty maid (also released under different names like cleanmax pro series quick draw)
sanitaire with a disposable bag
sanitaire with a shakeout bag
sanitaire with a dirt cup

Post# 379788 , Reply# 9   10/15/2017 at 01:39 (346 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Have a Royal metal commercial upright that I modified to use the Kirby F-Fit bag.Used my IQair meter on it-and 0.Will have to try it on a Royal with the stock paper bag.

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