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Post# 377380   8/28/2017 at 17:52 (834 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH)        

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Now that the Avalir has been out for a while, and it was Kirby's Anniversary Model, will the next be a color change only or a completely new model????

What are your thoughts and what color would you like to see?

I would like to see a completely new model change and think an Emerald
Green color (not the D80 color) would be very attractive. I would also like
to see an electric hose connection with somekind of motorized mini nozzle for
couches, cars, and hard to reach areas, along with a redesign of attachments.



Sincerely,

Bud Mattingly
PR-21





Post# 377398 , Reply# 1   8/28/2017 at 22:18 (834 days old) by S2_82 (Columbus, Ohio)        

Great topic for discussion, however is a new model even set to be released anytime soon? I agree, an emerald color scheme would be great

Post# 377408 , Reply# 2   8/29/2017 at 00:54 (834 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
I can't wait to see what succeeds the G-Series..

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Here's what I'd love to see in the next-gen model. In my mind, I still envision a direct-air model, with a soft bag, and no on-board tools (no more than a wand and short stretch hose anyway, but even that's unlikely).

-Much lighter weight. Still aluminum (or another metal) housings, but trimmed way down. No transmission, and lightweight-enough that it won't be necessary. Something closer to a Sanitronic or a traditional Royal in terms of weight. This would be so easy for the Scott Fetzer Company to achieve.
-A lifetime belt.
-A convenient brushroll shutoff option for quick cleaning of hard floors (via a button or switch; no more belt lifter). I would also expect the performance on hard floors to be excellent.
-A way to quickly plug-in the hose, that will no longer require removal of the front nozzle. Removing the nozzle is easy enough, but has been proven to be a hurdle for most everyday Kirby users.
-Lower profile, and easier maneuverability.

In terms of color, I love the idea of another green model. Kirby has unfortunately gone with pretty plain color options since the G6. I'd love to see a new Kirby play up a bold color.


Post# 377410 , Reply# 3   8/29/2017 at 01:01 (834 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I am thinking it could be awhile before Kirby comes out with a new model.So--the wait will go on.Think they are going to try to get as much mileage out of the Avalir as they can.

Post# 377411 , Reply# 4   8/29/2017 at 01:14 (834 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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"Think they are going to try to get as much mileage out of the Avalir as they can."

The Avalir is the definition of a company getting their mileage out of a model. It's simply an improved Generation 3, which released 27 years ago.


Post# 377413 , Reply# 5   8/29/2017 at 01:40 (834 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Yes,know about that vs the G3.Maybe they are going to stick with the G system?Time will tell.Think we are going to have to be patient.The G system has worked pretty well for Kirby-maybe if that's the case-why change it?

Post# 377424 , Reply# 6   8/29/2017 at 08:03 (834 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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Personally, I'm ready for something new and improved from Kirby. Vacuums have changed quite a lot since the G3 introduction, and I want the reliable Kirby to remain a compelling option for consumers. There's a huge market now of swivel bagless vacuums that can quickly zip around and clean a room from top-to-bottom, at a far more attractive price.

Post# 377430 , Reply# 7   8/29/2017 at 09:05 (834 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I'm with you on the electric hose!!! I would love to see that happen.
As far as color I'd like to see a green of some kind or another blue and I'd also like to see an all new color like bright yellow or turquoise.
They could do a Kirby retro and bring Sirroco back.


Post# 377436 , Reply# 8   8/29/2017 at 10:12 (834 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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Since the Kirby is sold in the home, they don't really have to make it competitive with other 'modern' vacs. All the Kirby has to do is pull enough dirt behind whatever the consumer has, to interest them enough to buy the Kirby. Remember, the consumer is most likely NOT in the market for a new vacuum when the Kirby man comes.

Post# 377437 , Reply# 9   8/29/2017 at 10:51 (834 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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As I've said before and now I'll say it again:

 

Kirby will not release a totally new cleaning system design until they can invent one with equal to or better performance than the Avalir. They will not release a new design that has substandard performance. Therefore, I believe it may be quite some time before this happens.

 

The only upright vacuum that can currently match or beat the Avalir's cleaning performance is one of the 10 amp Royal metal uprights.

 

 

 

 


Post# 377440 , Reply# 10   8/29/2017 at 11:33 (834 days old) by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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Not sure I would want to see any changes other than a better bare floor brush and improved upholstery nozzle...something with a brush strip.

Post# 377449 , Reply# 11   8/29/2017 at 15:03 (833 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I have to agree that a radical redesign isn't exactly in Kirby's DNA. Although it's a more heavy duty machine like a Hummer, its development history has been more like a Model T Ford or the original VW Beetle. While I like the notion of being able to easily turn the brush roll off and on with a switch, a feature I actually enjoy a lot on my Electrolux Discovery II, I don't see it as being particularly practical on a Kirby, given that the brush rolls on those machines are driven directly off of the motor shaft via a belt. I honestly don't see Kirby adopting a dual-motor design like Electrolux used on its uprights, a design which was derived from their canister vacuums. Kirby has no background in canisters beyond reconfiguring their uprights into quasi-canisters.

The bottom line here is Kirby offers a machine that's fairly unique in today's market and they're successful within their particular niche so I'm sure they aren't too interested in abandoning that to follow the crowd and make something more like the plasticrap vacs everyone else is offering.


Post# 377451 , Reply# 12   8/29/2017 at 15:30 (833 days old) by Adambomb (Undisclosed )        
I gave up on Kirby and bought

A 2013 Aerus Lux Guardian upright. It's everything I need/want in an upright vacuum. It has more than adequate tool suction and grooms my rugs beautifully. I love the Sidekick, floor brush, filtration and the fact that it doesn't weigh a ton!

Post# 377572 , Reply# 13   8/29/2017 at 22:29 (833 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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I agree with Stan & Edgar on Kirby not abandoning the G Series platform anytime soon. They have a design that works, & as Edgar pointed out above, they have carved out a niche & have a reputation for quality & performance they aren't about to abandon anytime soon.

Having said that, they do need to make some changes. Will they use the concept Avalir design? No. That was way too radical of a departure in design for Kirby to consider. Will they adopt a Royal style design? No, I highly doubt that. They wouldn't have invested millions of dollars into designing the Tech Drive just to go ahead & abandon it now. In addition, many consumers would enjoy having the tech drive, especially seniors. All they need to do is reduce the overall weight of the vacuum thru changing the type of metal used, & it also wouldn't hurt to try making a lighter weight motor.

The changes Henrydreyfuss suggests above could be easily done using the existing G Series platform. To achieve the brush roll shutoff feature with no belt lifter, all Kirby would have to do is modify the fan casing & powerhead design to allow for a receptacle & plug to power a powerhead motor, & mount a small powerhead motor & geared belt at the back of the powerhead, preferably on the bag side, to turn the brushroll. Where the belt lifter resides now could be changed to allow a removable cap to insert a hose, same way you would convert a Royal Metal to use tools, minus removing the belt of course. Instead of a electric hose, to be cost effective, they would provide a external hose cord to power a hand powerbrush or separate wand & powerhead for under furniture cleaning. It might still be necessary to remove the powerhead, though, if using the hose electrically is desired.

As for the emerald green color? Maybe not. But, another Tradition Blue or G4 purplish blue would be nice to see again.

Rob


Post# 377577 , Reply# 14   8/30/2017 at 06:17 (833 days old) by Tseg (World Traveller)        

Holding out for the all-titanium Kirby... and slate color.

Post# 377609 , Reply# 15   8/30/2017 at 18:43 (832 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

i disagree about the newer kirbys being great i think its a fair vac (performance wise) i had a avalir & returned it after the 3-day 'trial' ended bcuz the classic 1cr outcleans the avalir

Post# 377611 , Reply# 16   8/30/2017 at 18:56 (832 days old) by jscarlato (Clairton, PA)        
If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

Kirby has a winning design and cleaning performance that works for millions of customers. The company is not going to make any radical changes before much research and testing, and whatever new design they come up with has to exceed in performance over the Avalir. My guess is that they will change the color of the Avalir and come out with the Avalir II, much like they came out with the maroon Legend II to succeed the H2 Legend. Green is a trendy color, but so is purple. Maybe it's time for a bright red model like the Classic III.

Post# 377725 , Reply# 17   9/2/2017 at 03:28 (830 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Titanium Kirby-would be nice--Titanium metal has gotten cheaper because of the space and aviation industries.It is still too expensive to use in an appliance such as a vacuum cleaner.If you made the fan and fancase from Titanium-it would outlast ANY plastic fan or fancase.

Post# 377814 , Reply# 18   9/4/2017 at 09:49 (828 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)        

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How about carbon fiber or carbon nanotubes? They are both some of the strongest materials known to man!

Post# 377885 , Reply# 19   9/5/2017 at 02:37 (827 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Carbon fiber-nanotubes would be more expensive than the Titanium!A carbon fiber vacuum would be REALLY expensive.The Titanium would be more abrasion resistant.But don't think EITHER materials are going to find their way into vacuum cleaners anytime soon.

Post# 377958 , Reply# 20   9/6/2017 at 03:48 (826 days old) by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Dysonman1 and others here have proved an excellent point

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The Kirby is now different-enough in its own way to carve out it's own new niche. I suppose if Hoover was still selling Concept Ones as their only machine, they would prove similarly niche, but also stand their own ground in terms of performance and reliability. Kirby is also still fully-grounded in door-to-door sales, which maintain their own sales tactics and merits, outside of most company strategies, which has tremendously helped Kirby's continued success.

Even still, I'm very ready for something bold from Kirby. They have almost 3 decades now of regular complaints from everyday customers to address (weight, bulkiness, the extra steps to use tools, etc.). A much lighter-weight machine could still (easily!) achieve the same performance as their current models. They could address all common complaints of Kirbys today, and improve upon their existing product, without dropping the reliability at all.

Although excellent carpet cleaners and rugged, during my vac shop days, whenever a customer was buying bags, I asked how they liked their Kirby. The response was always negative. Owning a Sentria II (which I got for $10 at a flea market), It's sad to see something that works so well was so quickly abandoned by their buyers, despite the steep price.


Post# 378187 , Reply# 21   9/10/2017 at 11:00 (822 days old) by jfalberti (Visalia, CA)        
I agree to some point

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I have been a Kirby man since I was a kid. My grandmother hated them, but she loved her Royal. Why, I'll never know. At the time, the Sanitronic and her Royal were very much alike. While I love my Kirby, I have had some health problems in the last few years which have left me pretty weak, and I can't even pick up my Kirby to carry it. Luckily, I live in a single floor house, so I don't have to carry it much. While switching attachments is a little more complicated than other vacuums, one nice thing is they all pretty much go on the same way. Learn to change one, and you pretty much know how to change them all.

Post# 411194 , Reply# 22   7/5/2019 at 18:09 by hooverkid (PA,USA)        
New Rainbow New Kirby?

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Since rainbow finally retired the e series maybe kirby will will retire the g series. I was looking at the patents again and this would solve most of the problems some people have with kirby.
Other links: patents.google.com/patent/US7487...
patents.google.com/patent/US7690...
patents.google.com/patent/US8099...
patents.google.com/patent/US7487...
patents.google.com/patent/US7854...


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Post# 411195 , Reply# 23   7/5/2019 at 18:25 by Juju93 (florida)        

I hope they changed something soon. Lord knows I donít wanna see another sentria re-colored for the 4th/5th time. Hopefully someone in Kirby reads these forums and can take note on some of the things that we(I) would like to address on the next Kirby model. Oh and in terms of color I hope they do away with the greys and blacks and come out with a cool color scheme, kind of like the misty blue Kitchenaid with white bowl, instead itíll be a misty blue Kirby with white accents pieces.

Post# 411197 , Reply# 24   7/5/2019 at 19:08 by Kirbyg6 (York)        

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I just hope they stop doing these really really boring Colour changes and actually make something new

Post# 411198 , Reply# 25   7/5/2019 at 19:11 by rivstg1 (colorado springs)        
I'm with most previous posts on this thread

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I"d like to see a 'new' Kirby....don't think, at all, there will be one in 2019. I do like the idea of a new color like green as well. I too, feel that their approach is to not change anything unless they can improve on it. Kirby is unique in the market but some of its 'cons' compared to other available's are how tall the unit is ( can't go under some furniture), the lack of on board tools and of course, the weight.

here's to hoping for a new and improved model coming....


Post# 411199 , Reply# 26   7/5/2019 at 19:18 by Juju93 (florida)        

Yeah 30 years is a bit long. Plus seeing the sentria (2006) getting renamed and color over and over is really annoying. Hopefully when they do release a new platform itíll be quieter, and lighter in weight. Because now and days more and more homes have hard floors and if you think using a Kirby on carpet was load itís a lot louder (and itís unbearable) on hard surface floors. A few things I would like for Kirby to change in itís future models/ next platform would be:
1. No more looking like a sentria
2. Quieter sound
3. Lighter in weight
4.a redesign Multi Surface Shampoo System.... I say this because the current one is nice but itís not convenient to use in hard to reach places such as under the bed or behind the toilets in the bathroom.
5. Maybe a redesign portable shampooer too


Post# 411200 , Reply# 27   7/5/2019 at 19:55 by CMBCOOL01 (United States)        

I like the kirby design and i think changes like the new shampooer are about as radical Kirby would go and I'm honestly glad that's the case, i think the way it is now isn't that big of a deal having to change the belt and all and having a permanent head would kind of eliminate canister mode which i find very helpful i think Kirby would be wise to do things like having belts and bags available at the local grocer, I'd like to see a Motorized turbine head for the hose so i could use the kirby on canister mode to get under couches and beds where I can't use the power head undr, I'd also like to see a handi butler return, and possibly allow online sales of new machines from kirby's website, also mabye make another two speed model like the diamond as for colour I'd like either g5 red or the ultimate g grey

Post# 411215 , Reply# 28   7/6/2019 at 01:07 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

To replace the hose mode on the Kirby upright-they should provide a "package" that could include a Douglas based canister vacuum.This would work better than the hose mode on the Kirby-eliminate the danger of a pebble or quarter breaking a fan-and make the package easier to use-and it allows for two people to work at once if desired.The patent pictures just show the "Rube Goldberg" Kirby we have seen before-the multiple belts in one of the pictures could be a problem.That vacuum is just TOO complicated to be a good replacement for the present G platform.Figure Kirby has found something that WORKS-they would be best just to stick with it despite the complaints.Instead just use the Douglas canister to replace the hose mode.The upright would be used for the carpet vacuum and shampooer.And the Douglas could be equipped with a powernozzle for the spots the Kirby upright can't fit into.

Post# 411226 , Reply# 29   7/6/2019 at 10:38 by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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As I was told by an old friend who worked for Kirby Corporate:

 

The current system will remain in place until Kirby can build a completely new system that can match or improve on the performance of the current Avalir system while remaining near the current price point. So far this has not been possible, so the current design will remain in place for the foreseeable future.

 

 


Post# 411227 , Reply# 30   7/6/2019 at 11:43 by Juju93 (florida)        

thatís all fine and dandy. But change something that way it doesnít look like a dang sentria, such as the headlights, the shape of the belt lifter. Those are the two main things that have had the past few models look like a 2006 sentria, which needs to be changed. I donít care if itís a g series, just change those two things that way it doesnít look like a sentria. Also add some new optional accessories that can fit on the hose. And this may sound minor but bring back the video owners manual. Idk what they where thinking but not doing one for the current avalir 2, at lease put it on YouTube if your not going to sell it with the machine 🤦🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️

Post# 411228 , Reply# 31   7/6/2019 at 14:00 by HonestJoe68 (Mansfield, Ohio)        
Just a thought...

Does anyone else besides me secretly wish that Kirby would come out with a Second, Totally New from the ground up Vacuum Cleaner Option to sell along with the Avalir?

Iím talking a lightweight, still well made quality vacuum that would give Kirby buyers Two options, instead of just the one. Diversify and make it a companion Vacuum that you could own both or just one. Make it a vacuum without Tech drive but light enough you donít need the drive assist.

Kirby could gain an entire new part of the Vacuum Market if they made a smaller, lightweight almost mini version of the Avalir and sell to those with more hardwood floors, smaller apartments, RV and Travel Trailer owners, etc. Those people who donít have room for or the type of carpeted floors that are best for the current Kirby.

That way if Kirby offered two vacuums, everyone could be happy and find what they want without sacrificing the Avalir and itís proven worth and great performance. Something to add to the Kirby name instead of a lesser vacuum that takes away from the current model.

Oh and YES I totally agree a Green color is long overdue. Or maybe something really wild like a bright Orange color??

Just my thoughts... anyone want to comment or give their thoughts on a second Kirby vacuum?

Thanks


Post# 411230 , Reply# 32   7/6/2019 at 14:11 by Superocd (PNW US)        
I would like to see them bring back the older designs

I have a DS50 and am amazed at how light it is and how easy it is to push and carry. I also have an Avalir and while it is heavier, I'm a 25-year-old in pretty good shape so it is no effort for me to push around with Tech Drive disabled. My HII Legend is effortless as well, although it is larger than my Dual Sanitronic in all dimensions.

I think that if they dusted off the plans of their 500-series/Sanitronic machines, added a fill tube (to enable the use of HEPA bags), modernized the shell, nozzle and handle fork a bit, they'd have a well performing, well built machine without the weight. I am of the belief that Tech Drive added to the bulk of the machine. If someone doesn't know how to use Tech Drive or doesn't know that it even exists, then yes, it's going to take a bit more effort to push. And, since Tech Drive Kirby machines have a few additional parts and a bit of a bigger footprint that the older ones didn't, it's going to weigh a bit more.

I actually don't want them to go to a different method to attach the hose and other tools to the power unit, since that is a hallmark Kirby design and it works well. The only way I would imagine Kirby pulling this off is to create some kind of capped inlet somewhere on the fancase or on the nozzle ŗ la Royal. It wouldn't perform as well since I would assume some airflow would be drawn in from the floor nozzle. I know that having the hose sitting directly in front of the fan works really well as the airflow was just phenomenal when I used my Avalir to clean our vehicles. It performed better than my 6HP Shop Vac. Now, I will say that my wife and I have WeatherTech mats and leather seats in both of our vehicles but there's still some carpeting and little niches that still need vacuuming, and it does an awesome job. I know that the WeatherTech mat doesn't go all the way up the foot well and so dirt tends to gather there quite a bit. The small nozzle attachment on the hose of the Avalir effortlessly takes it all away.


Post# 411231 , Reply# 33   7/6/2019 at 14:12 by Juju93 (florida)        

All I care about is it looking like a sentria. I mean thatís all fine and dandy that they can tweak the handle and bag to look different but they canít do the same with the headlight and belt lifter? In previous comments/post Iíve posted what I would like to be changed and I hope the Kirby company or someone in there design departments read these post and can hopefully address these things. The main things I really would like to see changed are as followed:
1. Quieter sound
2. Lighter weight
3 no more looking like a sentria/ avalir...... itís way time to move away from whatís called the G10 and move onwards to maybe a G11.


Post# 411251 , Reply# 34   7/7/2019 at 08:46 by rodknock95 (Salem, Missouri)        
Good Points

I seen in that patent post, something about handle controls and alerts when the bag is full, that is interesting. I too would like to see a redesign. I have always been partial to Electrolux. My grandparents had them, ,but my mom had a Classic III Kirby. Since I now have both, I have to say its almost better to have a Kirby and a Electrolux. I don't think the power nozzle has enough weight to it to properly clean my thick shag rug, and the Kirby does. But the Electrolux is more convenient when using a hose and such. So I would like to see them incorporate attachments better. Maybe have a spot on the fan case where you could plug in the hose, a suction port, so to speak. They could make it like the exhaust port on the Aerus guardian platinum, except when you pull the hose out, the door that closes automatically to shut off the suction is aluminum so it matches and is unseen. It would be easy at that point to make a electric hose for it as well. Oh and get rid of the Sentria look for juju93

Post# 411256 , Reply# 35   7/7/2019 at 14:29 by human (Pines of Carolina)        
A lesson from history...

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This sort of reminds me of Henry Ford and the Model T. He kept that car in production for almost 20 years and while it was wildly successful, it also almost broke the Ford Motor Company. By the time the Model T ended its production run in 1927, Ford was still selling what was essentially a 1908 car and the industry had passed them by. Henry Ford thought the Model T was the ultimate expression of the automobile and that any further innovation was little more than a gimmick but it took a completely redesigned Model A, which had all those 'gimmicks', to save the company.

From a technical standpoint, I think it's safe to say that Kirby has pretty well perfected the style of vacuum cleaner they makeóand did so a couple of decades ago. There's really little left they can do to improve it functionally, and I think they realize that. The fact that design changes since mid-'90s have been more cosmetic than functional certainly bears this out. Kirby is a very conservative company, much as Ford was a century ago, and I do applaud them for sticking with that perfected design, even though the industry continues to move in a differentóand not necessarily positiveódirection. I would truly hate to see Kirby ditch their tried and true product in favor of something new and snazzy, just for the sake of making something new and snazzy, especially if it involved the use of self-destructing circuit boards to add useless whiz-bang features at the expense of a shorter lifespan. To my mind, that would be a huge mistake, possibly spelling the beginning of the end of the company. Fortunately, Kirby doesn't appear poised to go down that road.


Post# 411260 , Reply# 36   7/7/2019 at 16:33 by Juju93 (florida)        

This is what Iíve notice in terms of each platform
1st generation (1935-1970) (35 years)
2nd generation (1970-1990) (20 years)
3rd generation.... 1990-present... damn near 30 years now.
My point is with each generation it takes time to perfect it before it launches to the public. Also anytime a Kirby model has the number 2 in it, it seems like (to me) that itís a short temp model till the next new improvement comes along. For example back in 1989 we got the legend 2 and then a year later the G3 came out. Now fast forward to 2012 when the sentria 2 came out and then 2 and a half years later in 2014 we got the avalir (sentria 3) and then go even further to 2018 when we got avalir 2 (sentria 4) so hopefully within the next year or so a new model with come out, since weíre entering a new decade/era on time. For all we know Kirby couldíve had a new design in the works for a while now and they probably havenít had it release yet till they perfected it as well as the timing of when they wanted to release it. But with the avalir 2 they didnít really change the color let alone the pattern, so that leave me to question this. Could they have a color and pattern scheme for the new model but want to save it for a even newer model.





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