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Thread Number: 34240
/ Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
GE motors in Kirby D50? |
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Post# 370993 , Reply# 1 4/18/2017 at 21:52 (2,564 days old) by vacuumlad1650  (Wauponsee, IL) |
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Post# 370996 , Reply# 2 4/18/2017 at 22:22 (2,564 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 371000 , Reply# 3 4/18/2017 at 22:41 (2,564 days old) by Oreck_XL (Brooklyn, New York 11211) | ||
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Post# 371006 , Reply# 4 4/18/2017 at 23:32 (2,564 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 371025 , Reply# 5 4/19/2017 at 08:18 (2,564 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Black & Decker If I am not mistaking, wasn't there a relationship between Black and Decker and GE? Edited: Actually B&D bought GE small appliance division. This may be the link to GE the OP posted. This post was last edited 04/19/2017 at 11:29 | ||
| Post# 371032 , Reply# 6 4/19/2017 at 09:32 (2,563 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
When the Old VCCC went to the Kirby factory, back then the G5 was the new model, I specifically asked about the armatures and field coils, since the assembly line was taking them out of cardboard boxes and installing them. The Kirby Company at that time did NOT wind their own armatures and coils, but purchased them from a manufacturer (they did not share who that manufacturer was). It's possible that GE was the manufacturer during the Dual 50's run, as GE would make the armatures and coils for Bison just a couple of years later. GE and Black & Decker had no relationship. Black & Decker bought Air-Way's motor manufacturing plant back when Hoover sued Air-Way over the beater bars patent infringement (in retaliation for Air-Way suing Hoover for using their patented disposable bag). Black and Decker made coils and armatures for other manufacturers, like Rexair, before designing a 'drop in' motor (as used by Filtex and Modern Hygiene (Royal). Black & Decker sold out to Lamb (Ametek) in the late 1940's.
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Post# 371051 , Reply# 8 4/19/2017 at 13:04 (2,563 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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KirbystheBest
Harley,
GE also sold its outdoor products division in Canada to Black & Decker, because when I looked up electric mowers on Kijiji (Canada's equivalent to eBay/Craigslist), I found pictures of CGE mowers with the B&D badging. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 371052 , Reply# 9 4/19/2017 at 13:11 (2,563 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Yes, I believe it says in the article Canada, Brazil, Mexico, Singapore. | ||
| Post# 371054 , Reply# 10 4/19/2017 at 14:02 (2,563 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 371055 , Reply# 11 4/19/2017 at 14:37 (2,563 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Post# 371065 , Reply# 13 4/19/2017 at 17:42 (2,563 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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yes, that is true.
There's a great story about how the one and only V.C.C.C. began. It was John Lucia and Alex who began it.... starting at the Hoover Company. Stacey Krammes welcomed them and it all took off after that.
I wasn't a member then, but, I can provide very public info about its inception. According the the club's historical documentation, it began there and is still alive and well. I've never seen any files about an old one, and, later, a new one. All of this info can be obtained... minutes of all meetings are still kept for members to see. I hope this clears up some of the many misconceptions. Others know far more than I do. | ||
| Post# 371082 , Reply# 14 4/19/2017 at 19:14 (2,563 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
The V.C.C.C.C began January 2, 1983 and still going strong.
Thank you John:
The Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club began on January 2, 1983 and 34 years later is still alive and well. You are absolutely correct, there was never a day that it didn't exist. Also let me assure you, every feature used today has been in place since the first meeting which was held in my mom's family room in Chesterton, Indiana. That was the weekend of May 4, 5, and 6, 1985. Business meeting, outing to see a vacuum shop which that year was The Henry Company, repair seminar, on an Electrolux 1205, banquet and awards. The only change was that in 85 we ended the meeting with the business talk as we used it to establish the rules and procedures. Three months later in August I bought a house in Naperville, Illinois and made that the official club headquarters until I relocated to California in 95. We even had a club mascot, my cat Caligula (shown above) which is now my username in his memory. That location was perfect as there was a motel on my corner called The Stardust, a Dunkin Donuts right down the street so I could provide breakfast for everybody, a family restaurant called Grandma Sally's and we held every banquet at a place called Rascal's from May 86 till May 93. As to the meetings in 94, we returned to our birthplace The Hoover Historical Center, and in 95 were guests of the Vac-Hunter, Bob Kautzman. It was also that weekend that I got approved for my new house and was on to San Diego that Monday. Those were awesome years and we had a lot of fun. 
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| Post# 371083 , Reply# 15 4/19/2017 at 19:22 (2,563 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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The official club cake. | ||
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Post# 371084 , Reply# 16 4/19/2017 at 19:26 (2,563 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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wow, Alex. Thanks, so much for clearing all of that up.
I was only in my early 20s when it all began. I had no idea that our club existed until Mike Pletcher (who lives only about an hour from me) told me about it. I 'lurked' for about a year, (I heard a lot happened at that time). I officially joined just before the convention in Ohio, celebrating Hoover's 100th birthday. It was there that I met Rick Benedict, the great Terry Lattz, and so many others. Of course, that weekend began a lifelong friendship with Tom Anderson, his family, and so many others whom I now call my friends. I return to N. Canton quite often, and have been welcomed in every building associated w/ The Hoover Co.even the buildings which have closed.
Everyday, I learn something new. So, thanks, Alex, for being one of the "pioneers" in this . | ||
| Post# 371091 , Reply# 18 4/19/2017 at 20:26 (2,563 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Rest assured there is no "OLD" VCCC! unless you consider being age 34 old.
The history is that I went to the Hoover Historical Center in August, 1980, was treated as a V.I.P. by Stack Krammes and Skip Marquat, (head of engineering) and left with tons of paperwork, pictures and so on. A year later Stacy forwarded a letter from John Lucia to me asking about Hoover models 150, and 700. I called him immediately. As far as we knew we were the only 'collectors' on the planet. A friendship was born with that phone call. Cut to August 82, John told me he was doing a cross country trip and wanted to meet me, a trip to Hoover was also on the agenda. The second week of September John came to Chesterton, Indiana, stayed with my mom and me, and we went on to Hoover together. That was a breakthrough weekend. Factory tour and both of us full V.I.P. all the way! As we were leaving the Historical Center Stacy gave me a list of people who had seen the center and might be collectors. I looked at this list and asked John "think we should form a club?" his exact words were "I doubt anybody would be interested, but write these people and see." A week later I drafted a form letter and sent it out to the names on the list. All but one wrote back "yes, form the club." The one who didn't write was Craig Long, he jumped the gun, called me the minute he got the letter. 5 hour conversation from Buffalo, New York. It took months to draft a newsletter but they went out before Christmas 82, and January 2, 83 became the official date of the clubs creation. The first newsletter was a test but one that worked. The Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club was a temporary name, but the members liked it. Still we needed letterhead, and a logo. Again I turned to Hoover. Stacy Krammes's daughter Liz was studying graphic art and I turned to her to create our logo. An abstract of The Baby Daisy, a non electric at the center. By March we had our logo, and were up and running. We were a teaching club, a resource center and a place where people who had heard 'you collect what?' all their lives could go and get answers. The club limped along till November of 84 and I lived in Lombard, Illinois. A member came to see me and asked if we could have a meeting. My response was "nobody's going to travel across the country to see some old vacuum cleaners" his response was "put the question in the newsletter" I did, in the Christmas issue, and the response was "when can we get together?" I set the first weekend of May and the place was my mom's family room. That meeting was awesome, we created all the things that are still in place. We established the rules, set a cut off year on machines, and put numerous other things in place. But the best was yet to come, in August I bought a house in Naperville, Illinois. The address was 5 south 437 Sherman Avenue. It was a block south of Ogden Ave. where there was The Stardust motel, a Dunkin Donuts on my corner, a rental store a block away for folding chairs a coffee urn and so on. There were also restaurants galore including Rascal's which would host our banquets from 86 to 93. I turned one room into the vacuum room, made my personal collection the official club collection and made my cat Caligula club mascot. That in a nutshell is the history of how John Lucia and I formed the club. Who knew that the trip to Hoover in 1980 was going to lead to a major club. And it still boggles my mind. | ||
| Post# 371119 , Reply# 19 4/20/2017 at 09:37 (2,562 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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I pick up the VCCC story in '95.
The VCCC from '95 through 2007 was a very different club. RJ Vanik presented by-laws to the assembled club, they were voted on, and installed (they were discarded by the 'new' regime). There was no board of directors - we had a President, Vice President, and Treasurer. That's it. We had to file some legal papers about the club as well. We had printed, color newsletters, four a year. That's what the $25 membership fee bought. The conventions were very different from today, with many of the members from that time long gone from today's VCCC. Hans Craig is an excellent reference for what the club 'used' to be like, and the people who made it great. Today's VCCC is NOTHING like the old one.
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| Post# 371123 , Reply# 20 4/20/2017 at 09:50 (2,562 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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| Post# 371124 , Reply# 21 4/20/2017 at 10:05 (2,562 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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From the founder of the VCCC.
While the club went through many phases the basic structure is the same. I retired in May of 95 after running the club for 12 years to have a new life in San Diego, California, and the club understandably went through a series of changes. As with all clubs it's been reconstructed, old ideas replaced, new management runs things and so on, but it was still the club John Lucia and I formed. There was never any dismantling of the club. Tom did not take it out of my name and put it in his. John Lucia and I are the ONLY names connected with the creation of The Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club.
Robert Alexander Taber. | ||
| Post# 371126 , Reply# 22 4/20/2017 at 10:26 (2,562 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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| Post# 371152 , Reply# 23 4/20/2017 at 16:50 (2,562 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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It's a MUCH different club today. Not at all the same as it was. Just because someone 'founded' a club does not a club make. The VCCC is in no one's "name", that's ridiculous. I was at Bob Taber's house for his 'meeting' in the mid 1990's in his garage. There were 12 of us. The friendships I formed then have remained to this day. There was NO banquet, no 'cocktail hour', no convention 'fee', no pretentiousness.
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| Post# 371155 , Reply# 24 4/20/2017 at 17:26 (2,562 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Sour grapes, anyone? Anyone,Bueller? | ||
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