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Post# 365398   1/20/2017 at 13:39 (664 days old) by Vintagefox (California)        

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Got another coffee can Hoover back on the road (or should I say carpets?) This one took me quite a while to complete, but I'm glad it's put back together and freshened up. Both bearings were awfully gummy so I placed a few drops of zoom spout oil to loosen up the harden old grease, letting it sit for a couple days. Brush roll has been cleaned, along with new grease and brush strips. Hand buffed the body for about 3 hrs and finished it off with a Mother's drill mini ball buffer and Mother's mag/aluminum polish. Oiled the wheels and found out there was a plate on the height adjustment with "Thick, Medium, and Thin" pile selections. It was so dirty before, I didn't even know it was there LOL.

Motor runs like butter with new grease and hoovers like it did 80+ years ago. I'm quite happy with it! It just needs little things like new motor brushes, and I have to to work on the temperamental switch as well as making it safer.

I'd like to thank Tom A. and Rick for helping me find some parts for this machine, such as the much needed fan.

PS Is there an easier way to push in grease aside from a syringe? Both of my thumbs are still a tad numb from pushing down on the plunger. Also is it wrong to use an Electrolux to clean out a Hoover? lol

-Alex


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Post# 365434 , Reply# 1   1/21/2017 at 05:35 (664 days old) by portable (Tucson, AZ)        

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Wow, that is quite a transformation. Just think, you've restored something that is pushing 90 years old, and it could go for another 50 years! I like the gray color combo with the metal. It looks great. 


Post# 365438 , Reply# 2   1/21/2017 at 08:12 (664 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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I dont usually service machines PreModem 1t0. Even the 150 tends to be a stretch. That Impeller/fan on the left...WOW!
And the size of that armature! Huge!
Andy


Post# 365532 , Reply# 3   1/23/2017 at 08:34 (662 days old) by VintageFox (California)        

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@Portable: Thanks! I quite like the color combo as well. The bumper was on there when I got it, and thankfully it buffed out nicely. Here's hoping it lasts a lot longer than 50 years.


@Vacuumlad1650: I generally service coffee can machines. Though I wouldn't use the earlier models (without beater bars) on my carpets. However they're still nice to have within a collection.
I was quite surprised at the condition of the impeller... I have no clue what the previous owner sucked up to have caused that, but it doesn't look to have damaged the motor in any way fortunately. If only this machine could talk!


Post# 365560 , Reply# 4   1/23/2017 at 17:55 (661 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Ill have a look on the parts book...i might have ONE last set of brush inserts to fit this.

Andy


Post# 365561 , Reply# 5   1/23/2017 at 19:08 (661 days old) by VintageFox (California)        

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Sounds good! This was the first machine I've come across with the non eyelet brushroll.

Post# 365564 , Reply# 6   1/23/2017 at 20:56 (661 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Here is the picture direct out of my vintage 1950s parts book. I'll have a look...I thin I have this style.
Andy


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Post# 365565 , Reply# 7   1/23/2017 at 21:15 (661 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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I believe I have One, and only One set. Pictured below. They are not marked with part numbers that I have listed in my book, so take out a measuring tape and check. If you want them, please send me an email.
Andy


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Post# 365566 , Reply# 8   1/23/2017 at 23:24 (661 days old) by VintageFox (California)        

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Will do!

And I'll be sure to look at that guide the next time I have to look for correct fitting brush strips.

-Alex


Post# 377103 , Reply# 9   8/20/2017 at 17:49 (452 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        
Hoover 725

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Alex,
It seems your Hoover 725 is a 1-Speed vacuum, is this correct? I posted a few questions 1 day ago as I have 2 Hoover 725s and one of them is just like yours with the same handle and the other is a 2-Speed Hoover 725 with a 2-Speed switch and handle. I had always thought all 725s were 2-Speed. My post is " Hoover 725 Information ". I too need a fan and should contact Tom.
Pete


Post# 377197 , Reply# 10   8/23/2017 at 00:43 (450 days old) by Vintagefox (California)        

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Hello Pete,

Yes that's right, the model 725 is indeed a single speed machine. During the restoration I spotted no evidence of cut or missing wires. I would guess it would depend on when that model was released. Perhaps the 2 speed machines were later production or possibly early production. Later models serving as an effort to cut costs, though I can't say for certain but that's what I assume to be the case.

-Alex


Post# 377217 , Reply# 11   8/23/2017 at 23:49 (449 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Hello Alex,
Thank you for the reply. My 725 1-speed motor and handle is just like yours and the motor as yours shows no sign of a cut wire. My 725 2-speed is of the same wattage but has the extra wire and is a real 2-speed motor. On YouTube Myhooverco8 shows a 725 2-speed. At the shop in the 70's I do not remember working these older vacuums an the owner did years before I worked for him. I too need a fan for the 1-speed the 2-speed is not perfect but has all the blades and I will need one for my 300 also. I did replace many fans on Kirby, Royal and Hoover because people would pick up coins and all kinds of objects. Ben would not even try to order fans for machine like ours and sell customers one of the rebuilt ones.
You had most useful information which I was looking for on the 725 and confirmed that there are 1-speed 725s.
I just received a Hoover 105 today which is about 90 percent original with original handle and one broken rear wheel and a good bag on the 105 bag holder but is not the original bag and missing one 105 type nut for the bag ring. But it run great for 95 year old vacuum. I am going to try to re-bristle the brush roll and one other Hoover.
Good luck with all your endeavors.
Thank you,
Pete


Post# 377229 , Reply# 12   8/24/2017 at 14:03 (448 days old) by MATTINLA (Burbank)        
'tis amazing...

I don't usually rave about vacuum cleaners, but the quality of construction of this is just amazing. Imagine if they had to build the HOOVER DAM TODAY? They'd build the entire thing out of particle board, pex tubing and foam panels!

Post# 377245 , Reply# 13   8/25/2017 at 00:42 (448 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Hi Alex,
This is the little Hoover 105 I just bought. It has a newer little bag which makes the 105 look like a toy vacuum. The bumper on the 105 seems to be original and well worn and there is only one of the little nuts for the bag ring and it still has the 2 spring type strain reliefs on it. I wish the one rear wheel was not broke but it is okay. The 5 vacuums I sort of got today. A GE AVF-807 that is nice, a strange Hoover 305 has no height adjuster?, a monster machine I have never seen before called a Bison Mark II, a Eureka D272 and a dressed up in blue Electro Hygiene straight suction machine that does not seen to original. Not sure what I will do with them as I tend to like my old Hoovers and Singers. I might keep the GE with my Hoovers and Singers. Sorry for my invasion in this and if you or others out there do not cares about my old machines I understand.
Have fun and enjoy,
Pete


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Post# 377249 , Reply# 14   8/25/2017 at 08:25 (448 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
A driveway with some great vacs AND--

--how many Lincoln Continentals??

Post# 377250 , Reply# 15   8/25/2017 at 08:58 (448 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Don't ever worry about if we like your old vacuums or not. That's what we are all here for and I personally am loving the vacuums!!! Especially that Bison.
Do you know any history on that one? Be very careful with it as they self destruct and is why they are no longer around.


Post# 377251 , Reply# 16   8/25/2017 at 09:01 (448 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Maybe self destruct is a strong word, they do break VERY easily and there are NOOOOOOO parts available for them anymore. Good cleaners just not well made. Many of them broke down during the in home demos.

Post# 377255 , Reply# 17   8/25/2017 at 14:08 (447 days old) by toddk13 (Milwaukee, WI)        
105 bumper replacement possibility

I have two 105's with marginal bumpers. That ribbed design is so close to what you would find on an automotive serpentine belt (the belt that drives the alternator / power steering / A/C compressor.

Post# 377259 , Reply# 18   8/25/2017 at 20:28 (447 days old) by Phaeton (Los Angeles )        

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Hello All,

This is for rugsucker; "How many Lincoln Continentals" Owned or still own? Well and what about those Cadillac, Buicks mixed in with a few Mercurys and Fords. Does the word addiction come to mind and projects never finished. I have sold off some like this 1955 Cadillac about 5 years ago. The Black 1958 Continental was donated by the original owner to Petersen Automotive Museum and as it is not classic they kept it until they could legally auction it and I bought it from a popular dealer on Lincoln Blvd years ago.

This is for kirbyvertibles; First thank you. Yes I am not sure about this Bison. The Hi Low carpet adjuster does not work and the foot pad is just flopping around. I does seem to run well but I have to get a new belt on it.

This is for toddk13; Thank you that is a good idea that I would not have thought of.

For Alex; I received a little Hoover 425 in nice condition the bag is faded and not original. I do like these cleaners. I bought a Singer Sewing Machine Belt #2125 for the Hoover 105 and it seems to work and does not put so much stress on the bottom bearing.

Thank you and all the best to all of you,
Pete


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Post# 377265 , Reply# 19   8/26/2017 at 02:15 (447 days old) by hygiene903 (Galion, OH)        
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Pete, those are some nice machines you have acquired. And I agree with Philip, the Bison is a rare machine. The company was started by a former Kirby employee who thought he could compete with Kirby but his machines were not built very well and Bison didn't last very long, I'm thinking maybe 5 years or less.
The 305 Hoover was the economy model of its time, and sold next to the mid-range 26 and the deluxe 60. As long as the carpet wasn't too heavy and the suction could lift it to the agitator it did OK. It also lacked the side connect for the tools, which connected on the bottom like the older "coffee can" models.
Your Electro-Hygiene has a replacement bag, handle grip, and bumper, but as far as I can tell, everything else is original. The handle grip and bumper would have been black, and the bag would have either been black or blue, depending on whether you have a 230 or a 2-230. Here are pics of my 230, 2-230, and the 2-230 with attachments. Part of the printing on these is worn, but you can still get a good idea of how they looked.
Jeff


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Post# 377269 , Reply# 20   8/26/2017 at 09:21 (447 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri)        
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Are you sure your Hoover is a 105? The reason I ask is the motor. The model 105 all had Hoover-built motors, yours has a Robins and Meyers motor, which was used on the model 102 (which was 1 model older than the 105). Also, model 105's had a 'grip' on top of the broomstick handle.

Nice cleaners in your collection.

The Bison was made from 1970 through about 1985. Sold by door to door salesmen until the early 1980's, the Bison's drive mechanism was the problem. Metal motor shaft to plastic drive shaft coupling. When the height was adjusted too low, the motor shaft reamed out the plastic coupling. At the end, Bison was painting the machines powder-coated brown and selling them through vac shops. It was the noise, weight, and the fact they were fragile as a woman's love, that did them in.


Post# 377294 , Reply# 21   8/26/2017 at 20:37 (446 days old) by Toddk13 (Milwaukee, WI)        
I debated a while to respond

I'm actually embarrassed to say this, but the 105 has a plain wood handle. I have two that have the same plain Jane sticks.

My 543 has a grip on the wood handle.


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Post# 377323 , Reply# 22   8/27/2017 at 09:14 (446 days old) by Dysonman1 (Missouri)        

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This is an advertisement for the Hoover model 105. You will note the nameplate for the motor is on the front of the motor. You will also note, the new handle grip. Just expand the picture. Both of my model 105 Hoover's, which are both original, have the handgrip.

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Post# 377325 , Reply# 23   8/27/2017 at 11:01 (446 days old) by toddk13 (Milwaukee, WI)        
Perhaps we are both correct?

Interesting. I see that hoover ad is not for the US. I'll take a wild guess that one of three things happened: 1. Stock of 102 plain handles were used until exhausted. 2. Different handles were sold in different markets. 3. There was a design change during production.

I've attached three 1920-1921 ads showing the plain handles. Of course they are illustrations, so it's impossible to say definitively. The patina on my 105's suggest that they are original - plain handles. Perhaps they are just early examples.


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Post# 377351 , Reply# 24   8/28/2017 at 03:26 (445 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Like how in all of those ad pictures the Hoover is shown turned on-bag poofed out--but no one pushing the vacuum across the floor!

Post# 377360 , Reply# 25   8/28/2017 at 08:37 (445 days old) by toddk13 (Milwaukee, WI)        

They were operated by invisible maids.

Post# 377404 , Reply# 26   8/29/2017 at 00:44 (444 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

With the "invisible maids" explanation-could those Hoovers be the first robotic vacuums?




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