Thread Number: 31315
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Is there any difference between an 800w Miele and a 1600w one? |
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Post# 346415 , Reply# 1   3/5/2016 at 18:11 (2,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I can't say I have experience of a 800 watt Miele C2. I have however read reviews in other European countries and owners seem to be disappointed with the lack of pull from the 800 watt models. Thus Im quite happy to stick with my "old" 1200 watt S8 Ecoline. I doubt I would buy another Miele S8 after it though as the 1200 watt one seems powerful enough without going any lower.
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Post# 346428 , Reply# 4   3/5/2016 at 19:20 (2,973 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 346431 , Reply# 5   3/5/2016 at 19:58 (2,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Vacerator - the models in the UK and Europe are different - since the U.S and Canada don't have to bother with EU laws about lowering motor output. Same with SEBO and lots of other brands - the models in the U.S are slightly different.
HI-LO: I can't stand Miele's new model names, C1, C2, C3 etc as they all stock old and newer bodies with varying outputs. It is most confusing. Okay.. The S5 body vacuums AS FAR AS I KNOW lack the one touch comfort cord rewind. So the S8 bodied Miele's are better in this respect as they have the one touch cord rewind. I note that Miele's latest S8 models all seem to feature 7.5 metre cord lengths which frankly I can just put up with. I do however note that House of Fraser appear to be selling MY S8340 Ecoline which has a 1200 watt motor, came originally with 3 floor heads and has a Super Air Clean filter as standard and 9 metre power cord length. Based on the fact you can update with filter upgrades, I'd say the S8340 is still worth it despite being something like 3 to 4 years old. My review can be found on Ciao but the House of Fraser link lists the model at £160 CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK |
Post# 346435 , Reply# 6   3/5/2016 at 20:27 (2,973 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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sebo_fan: Oooh thanks for the link there, that cleaners quite good value! |
Post# 346462 , Reply# 7   3/6/2016 at 04:36 (2,973 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 346463 , Reply# 8   3/6/2016 at 04:38 (2,973 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 346464 , Reply# 9   3/6/2016 at 04:39 (2,973 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 346465 , Reply# 10   3/6/2016 at 04:53 (2,973 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Thanks Chris, the first one you linked is what I am most like going to purchase. Seems a really good bargain, |
Post# 346474 , Reply# 12   3/6/2016 at 06:07 (2,973 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 346481 , Reply# 13   3/6/2016 at 08:08 (2,972 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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That dealer is using that ploy to bait and switch buyers up to a more expensive Miele then. I will never go there again. |
Post# 346489 , Reply# 14   3/6/2016 at 10:16 (2,972 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Vacerator - the prices are also VERY different. SEBO and Miele are priced expensively in the U.S - the U.K have cheaper prices in general, but even those are considered pricey for premium.
Your examples of $749 equates to £526 which could easily buy you the latest Vorwerk upright. $649 equates to £455-97 which with an added £50 could buy you Miele's Robot RX1... |
Post# 346490 , Reply# 15   3/6/2016 at 10:20 (2,972 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 346502 , Reply# 17   3/6/2016 at 11:33 (2,972 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Chris I was quoted £525 for a VK150 last week when I spoke to a sales person from Vorwerk UK. It was VERY tempting but I think I'm happy with my VK131 for the time being.
There's one on EBay UK going for £499 and its new (apparently). If you don't ask you don't get. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK on eBay |
Post# 346503 , Reply# 18   3/6/2016 at 11:37 (2,972 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Also Vacerator - Miele vacs in the U.S seem to have specialist models with different floor heads. It is like that in the U.K to a degree but spares and accessories are far more widespread. I've been buying Miele vacs since the 1990s and if there's one thing I have learnt in the experience process, then its being able to buy a basic Miele vac and buying spares or accessories for it to bring it up to similar spec of higher priced vacs in the range.
Put simply you dont need to buy a top of the range Miele cylinder vac when a more basic one does just as well. Non-marked up prices on floor heads such as the Cat and Dog Wessel Werk turbo brush for example means owners can fashion a cheap "Cat and Dog" model without spending more than if they actually bought that vacuum. It was only a few years ago that Miele in the U.S began to get spares on Amazon.com and EBAY.com - from what I can tell from conversations on here, Miele spares and accessories in the U.S were initially hard to find due to sellers hell bent on marking up prices on selected models. |
Post# 346518 , Reply# 21   3/6/2016 at 14:27 (2,972 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Mike - have you checked for an electrical outlet in the area of the black handle on the main body of your Olympus? My Canadian version of the S2/C1 Olympus (called the "Contour" in Canada) has an electrical outlet on one side of the handle which can accomodate a plug from an electrified power nozzle hose. I don't need a power nozzle, but it's nice to know that I can upgrade later and add more attachments to my Contour. Strange that your Olympus would not use the same body as mine with the same electrical outlet. It's located to one side of the handle on the inside of the loop. :-)
Maybe your Olympus was one of those cheaper versions originally made in China? My S2/C1 Contour is made in Germany. |
Post# 346530 , Reply# 22   3/6/2016 at 17:41 (2,972 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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I have not, and don't own one. Maybe that's why prices are higher in Canada. At least they are if you have one sent here. I'll keep my central vac, as many Canadians also have them. Mine has a Cana-Vac hose now. |
Post# 346546 , Reply# 23   3/6/2016 at 20:46 (2,972 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)
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Post# 346547 , Reply# 24   3/6/2016 at 20:50 (2,972 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)
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Post# 346548 , Reply# 25   3/6/2016 at 20:51 (2,972 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Ooops! Sorry Mike Vacerator! I should have been more specific...I was commenting on the post by the other Mike....Mike Noxy! He claims his Olympus does not have a built-in outlet to power up a power nozzle hose...my Contour has one and I'm sure the Olympus can be upgraded to use a power nozzle as well. But not sure...:-)
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Post# 346549 , Reply# 26   3/6/2016 at 20:52 (2,972 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 346562 , Reply# 27   3/7/2016 at 03:52 (2,972 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 346587 , Reply# 30   3/7/2016 at 07:20 (2,972 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Ok, I see. Good move for Miele, but a cord along the entire hose is very early 70's. Rainbow, Filter Queen, and Eureka even did it on low end smaller cylinders. |
Post# 346588 , Reply# 31   3/7/2016 at 07:23 (2,972 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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That's our Marin, but with our Kona power head, no light. |
Post# 346589 , Reply# 32   3/7/2016 at 07:25 (2,972 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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I meant Kona. The Onyx was an older model, either S2, or S5. |
Post# 346739 , Reply# 33   3/8/2016 at 12:22 (2,970 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)   |   | |
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I have looked at the handle and that entire side of the vacuum, there is definitely no outlet oon it. I've heard that even the c1 models are made in Germany, none of the Miele models are made in China. |
Post# 346768 , Reply# 35   3/8/2016 at 17:01 (2,970 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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That's very interesting Nooxy....no electrical outlet on your Olympus yet my suction-only Contour has one. Hmmm....I wonder if Miele did this for the Canadian market only....offering a C1 canister that is upgradeable to a power head. Any other American Olympus owners out there? Are you also lacking a power nozzle outlet on your canisters? Strange that the US market was not offered what we got north of the border.
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Post# 346769 , Reply# 36   3/8/2016 at 17:28 (2,970 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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As I've said. this is proof enough that Miele AND other brands don't sell the same vacuums as per country.
As for "added power" it has been going ever since vacuums became a domestic reality. They have forever been sold as having more power and suction. Not all vacuums with lower power in a cylinder vacuum fairs better - bag capacity has to be taken into consideration PLUS sealed suction and length of hose, tubes and main accessories. |
Post# 346816 , Reply# 37   3/9/2016 at 04:17 (2,970 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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the USA spec Titan Mielel C1 comes with an SEB 220 basic powerbrush for $499. |
Post# 346821 , Reply# 38   3/9/2016 at 06:32 (2,970 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)   |   | |
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Vacerator...I know that. Miele Canada also offers C1s with an electric power nozzle. The question is: why would they create a different body for the C1 Olympus with no electric outlet? Would it not be more economical to sell a white version of the Titus' body with no power nozzle and call that an Olympus? Why would they make 2 different main bodies of C1? My suction only red Contour has an outlet moulded into the body near the handle in case I ever want to upgrade to an electrified hose with pig-tail wire. It's strange that the American Olympus does not have it too.
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Post# 346844 , Reply# 40   3/9/2016 at 11:33 (2,969 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )   |   | |
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I have the Miele upright, it is okay, but it's a big heavy machine. It cost me a lot of money. |
Post# 346850 , Reply# 41   3/9/2016 at 13:37 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Is it difficult to steer? It packs a wolop of power for above the floor cleaning also. Same motor as the C3 cylinder, and made to last. |
Post# 346854 , Reply# 42   3/9/2016 at 13:54 (2,969 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )   |   | |
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It is pretty easy to stear but rather difficult to manoeuvre, being a big cleaner. Mine is a newer one with the EU reduced wattage motor, mine is 1500w |
Post# 346873 , Reply# 43   3/9/2016 at 17:16 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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1500 watts is plenty to clean. I have an Electrolux Oxygen (Eureka) Smart Vac cylinder rated at 1400 w, and it does fine. |
Post# 346878 , Reply# 44   3/9/2016 at 18:34 (2,969 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 346881 , Reply# 45   3/9/2016 at 19:01 (2,969 days old) by HooverLux (United Kingdom )   |   | |
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500-800w is more than sufficient for an upright. |
Post# 346938 , Reply# 46   3/10/2016 at 06:58 (2,969 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Actually Vacerator, dont believe everything you read by Miele. The S7 is an upright that was clearly designed for the U.S; I had one and found it to be too big and cumbersome to use - also having to pedal over rugs wasn't my idea of technology and removing a clog from the hose when three screws have to be undone is a bit of a farce.
I also suggest that you go to Google and look for past threads on vacuumland - you'll find lots of information that you might have posted already including SEBO vacs and Miele vacs owned by other members. Just type in what you are looking for such as "Miele S7 + vacuumland" and see what comes up. |
Post# 346945 , Reply# 47   3/10/2016 at 07:50 (2,969 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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I'm not a huge upright fan myself. Growing up, even those with small homes said a cylinder was too cumbersome. I never got that. No upright style back then could go under much furniture. Only a tall table. They had poor suction for a hose as well. |
Post# 346962 , Reply# 50   3/10/2016 at 11:39 (2,968 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 346972 , Reply# 52   3/10/2016 at 13:08 (2,968 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 346977 , Reply# 53   3/10/2016 at 14:17 (2,968 days old) by vacerator (Macomb Michigan)   |   | |
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Amen brother! |