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Thread Number: 28178
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New wool loop carpeting...need suitable canister type. |
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| Post# 314994 , Reply# 1 2/9/2015 at 11:28 (3,363 days old) by Miskini (Northville, Michigan ) | ||
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| Post# 314995 , Reply# 2 2/9/2015 at 11:31 (3,363 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 314999 , Reply# 3 2/9/2015 at 11:54 (3,363 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
 If you're after a straight suction cleaner, don't spend a fortune on a powernozzle Miele.
Miele offer a variety of models with straight suction only floorheads. I read an article recently online (I shall hunt for it) that recommended using a straight suction cleaner but with very strong suction, so it won't damage the carpet but will still clean effectively.
Something like the S8 Calima or S8 Alize would be good. Both come with straight suction floortools and are cheaper than the powernozzle models. | ||
| Post# 315000 , Reply# 4 2/9/2015 at 11:58 (3,363 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Straight suction floor nozzles can be hard work though. I'd go for a delicate brushroll like Sebo do. | ||
| Post# 315002 , Reply# 5 2/9/2015 at 12:16 (3,363 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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If you like a good work out go for a straight suction nozzle if you like an easy life go for a delicate brushroll :-) | ||
| Post# 315003 , Reply# 6 2/9/2015 at 12:18 (3,363 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Not necessarily true Marcus, depends on the carpet and how it is fitted. I tried a Henry on a friends carpet not so long back and it was so smooth to use - I was really surprised.
Also, the Sebo delicate brushroll would have to be bought separately, which is extra cost. I don't believe it is fitted as standard to any Sebo vacuums. With a Miele, you could just buy the cleaner and be ready to go. | ||
| Post# 315004 , Reply# 7 2/9/2015 at 12:24 (3,363 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I like a brushroll on carpet. Carpet needs agitation but of course wool needs lighter agitation. But whatever works best for you. :-) | ||
| Post# 315006 , Reply# 8 2/9/2015 at 12:33 (3,363 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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Carpet photo's Closeup of the carpet. Probably 4-5 mm nap height. | ||
| Post# 315008 , Reply# 10 2/9/2015 at 12:48 (3,363 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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| Post# 315009 , Reply# 11 2/9/2015 at 12:57 (3,363 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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That looks like a wool, berber carpet. See attached link. It is highly recommended not to use a vacuum with a brushroll AT ALL on this type of carpet. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK | ||
| Post# 315010 , Reply# 12 2/9/2015 at 12:58 (3,363 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Why do you prefer Miele or Riccar to Sebo Eric? I am impressed with the Riccar Brilliance. | ||
| Post# 315014 , Reply# 14 2/9/2015 at 14:07 (3,363 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Simplemind - thank you for showing the thickness of your carpet. Mine are a lot thinner than yours which is why I use a combination of brush roll and/or suction only floor tool.
Thus reiterating for a straight suction only floor tool fitted to many canister vacs. True, if you have a pet and thus added pet hair is required to be cleaned up, I wouldn't suggest using anything more than just a suction only floor tool or a "combi" tool that has added lint pickers. The following photo shows a mix of new and old Miele suction only floor tools - the last two nearer the bottom of the photo have non rubberised perimeter bumper and sole plates that can provide a far easier push on wool loop. I don't tend to use the double pedal AirTeq floor heads - the rubber plates on the front of them tends to resist the wool loops in general making it harder to push, thus "scarring" the wool - I prefer the single pedal Miele floor tools as they have all metal soleplates that aid better, lighter gliding and still as effective pick up without damage. 
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| Post# 315111 , Reply# 20 2/10/2015 at 15:12 (3,362 days old) by Ctvacman (CT) | ||
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The miele 217 is very delicate, I would use it on lower suction so it doesn't really stick to the carpet. Or you can get delicate brush strips for simplicity machines. | ||
| Post# 315146 , Reply# 24 2/11/2015 at 02:07 (3,361 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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You may think im crazy... But, I would use a straight suctionnozzle such as a Filter Queen, or a Rainbow Jet rug tool, for a power nozzle, I would use a PN1 or PN2 Electrolux.The small opening plus soft brush cleans well but is very gentle. | ||
| Post# 315155 , Reply# 26 2/11/2015 at 05:47 (3,361 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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You're right. It was a problem I had with my new Numatic Henry - it came with a plastic soleplate which on my wool carpets didnt make gliding easy. Bought a Nilfisk floor head on recommendation and it works beautifully now without the scraping sound and feeling from the handle. Also glides like it should.
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| Post# 315163 , Reply# 27 2/11/2015 at 08:19 (3,361 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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Bought a Nilfisk floor head on recommendation Is this the one you bought? CLICK HERE TO GO TO simplemind's LINK | ||
| Post# 315200 , Reply# 32 2/11/2015 at 11:36 (3,361 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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I could change the brush roll But with 20 other machines in the house, I never bothered. The Miele Quickstep works fine with the regular rug/bare floor nozzle on the flat carpet in question. the PN will rip a line, however. Rip a line, sounds like something from a drug culture. | ||
| Post# 315202 , Reply# 33 2/11/2015 at 11:47 (3,361 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Or the Wichita lineman haha | ||
| Post# 315203 , Reply# 34 2/11/2015 at 11:56 (3,361 days old) by Kirbysthebest (Midwest) | ||
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Marcus Go to your room. ;-" | ||
| Post# 315204 , Reply# 35 2/11/2015 at 11:57 (3,361 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Hahahaha :-p | ||
| Post# 315222 , Reply# 36 2/11/2015 at 15:10 (3,361 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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ctvacman, thanks for calling me on the Dyson DC-50 head You're right, I remember thinking it was such a compact head that it must be an air drive, but the damned motor is on the inside of the roller. ;) | ||
| Post# 315248 , Reply# 38 2/11/2015 at 19:20 (3,361 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Nilfisk floor head
Yes, sort of. In Europe it goes under several different names including "Deluxe Kombi." Similar floor head that both SEBO, Miele and BOSCH also fit their canisters/cylinders.
Only difference here is that the one I bought has a removable clip on it if you don't want to use the park position. Also handy for stick vacuums and all brands with a 32mm size fitting. I think Nilfisk also make one suitable for 35mm.
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| Post# 315298 , Reply# 39 2/12/2015 at 07:33 (3,360 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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singing rainbow aka Scott, thanks for the offer. We may be in the GT area in the next few days, and we'll drop by. Sebo_fan, yes that head looks so similar to the Miele and looks like it would do the job. Thanks! | ||
| Post# 315371 , Reply# 40 2/12/2015 at 17:08 (3,360 days old) by Bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
@simplemind
That Electrolux floor tool you remember that your mother had is still in production today, it's still included with the TOL Aerus Electrolux canister. It's a reversible tool so it can be used on bare floors with the bristles or flipped over and used as a straight suction tool on rugs. This tool can be used with any canister vacuum of your choice as long as it uses a standard size wand, and can be purchased from Aerus or online for around $60. It works quiet well on low pile rugs which is probably why it's been in production for more than 50 years. Below is a picture of the nozzle that I found on Google, I don't have a picture of any of my own on my iPad
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| Post# 315373 , Reply# 41 2/12/2015 at 17:14 (3,360 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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Electrolux floor tool OMG, that does bring back memories! I do remember it flipping over as well. Thanks for the memories! | ||
| Post# 315375 , Reply# 42 2/12/2015 at 17:56 (3,360 days old) by singingrainbow (Texas) | ||
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By the way, We are open ten to five thirty weekdays and ten to two on Saturdays. I will be there this Saturday and comming Monday. I hope we can help you! Scott | ||
| Post# 315421 , Reply# 45 2/13/2015 at 07:04 (3,359 days old) by kenkart () | ||
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GREAT DAY A Sanitaire would be much rougher on a carpet than about anything!!! | ||
| Post# 315430 , Reply# 46 2/13/2015 at 08:29 (3,359 days old) by Ctvacman (CT) | ||
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Yea theses carpet manufactures have the weirdest ideas for what models to use and not use | ||
| Post# 315446 , Reply# 48 2/13/2015 at 10:21 (3,359 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The latest Dysons agitate very well as this video by Oliver clearly shows. :-) CLICK HERE TO GO TO marcusprit's LINK | ||
| Post# 315467 , Reply# 50 2/13/2015 at 15:31 (3,359 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
When we brought home our Eureka Model 2083 Rugulator Upright in 1974, our home was covered with expensive wall-to-wall wool broadloom. Though that top-rated Eureka had the fantastic Vibra-Groomer helix beater bar brush roll, the vacuum never damaged our carpeting. It could be that the motor was weaker than current similar Sanitaire uprights (3.5 amps versus 7 amps), but we used that beautiful golden Eureka every week for at least 10 years without any damage to the carpet fibres. And it cleaned the rugs beautifully....
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| Post# 315472 , Reply# 52 2/13/2015 at 17:03 (3,359 days old) by Kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
Berber is the 
Worst carpet and hardest to clean your right Daniel next is Frieze' with this carpet it is so hard to push most vacuums through the thick pile plus most stiff brush rolls shread the carpet fibers .
My grand parents had wool carpet and used a Hoover Convertible and later a Hoover Elite and the carpets looked brand new 35 years later when they passed and we sold their home . Dan | ||
Post# 315483 , Reply# 53 2/13/2015 at 21:01 (3,359 days old) by gottahaveahoove  (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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My sister has brand new Berber in her family room.
She just replaced 20 yr old Berber . She has only ever cleaned it with a HOOVER Dimension. She had 2 babies, 2 cats, and a Golden Retriever, all who grew up in that house. That HOOVER with a pn did a great job on that carpet.
The other rugs in the house are 100%wool Orientals. Hoover never let any of us down. Just sayin' | ||
| Post# 315689 , Reply# 56 2/16/2015 at 19:21 (3,356 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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The Alize is a great choice - the top rated suction only canister in the latest Consumer Reports ratings.
You may think this is crazy, but the spotlight on the handle is an amazing feature! Why didn't someone think of this before? It's a brilliant idea - pardon the pun. I got one with my Miele S8 Fresh Air and you'd be surprised how helpful it is... Dark corners, under beds, dark drawers, etc. It will probably come in very handy when I clean the car interior, too. | ||
| Post# 315698 , Reply# 57 2/16/2015 at 20:19 (3,356 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I adore my Miele S8 but I bought one which doesn't have the Spotlight handle which I was at two minds with, anyway. Our UK market Miele vacs don't have names, but rather, model numbers and additional names where applicable; the same colour of the Alize is the one I have, known as S8340 Ecoline.
Im very pleased with it though I find the 650 floor head far too heavy to work with; I use a far older floor head, but Miele's newer replacement, the SBD285-3 is far more effective without half the effort; I notice it comes as standard with the Calina. The U.S market Miele's do offer better spec though - Dynamic drive wheels which are self sprung for example and an auto suction setting. The spotlight handle is a good idea - in theory. There is no clear way of turning it off though which wastes the battery. | ||
| Post# 315706 , Reply# 58 2/16/2015 at 21:09 (3,356 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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The Spotlight shuts off after a minute or two so I don't think it really burns up the batteries that much. It's just enough time to shed light on a really dark area or corner....I find it's enough time to help spot any dirt I might be missing.
I prefer the heavier AirTeq carpet nozzle - it helps put pressure on the carpet and it also has a nice rubber bumper which prevents scratching of baseboards and furniture. It feels very sturdy too. The Fresh Air is also packaged with the extra long 2 foot flexible crevice tool which is a fantastic attachment! | ||
| Post# 315707 , Reply# 59 2/16/2015 at 21:13 (3,356 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 315741 , Reply# 60 2/17/2015 at 07:19 (3,355 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Well, its a wool carpet which doesn't need extra pressure, but rather just gentle suction to remove dust. In my home I need gliding ability to clean dirt off carpets; I seldom use high suction unless Im cleaning above the floor line. The Twin Pedal AT floor head makes the S8 feel a bit bulky in my experience. It is a light canister to pull around in general, but the floor head is too heavy for me to put up with.
The rubberised bumper is good but not all that great an improvement over existing Miele floor heads in my experience. Ok it ensures extra durability from the front but the plate on the base also adds some resistance to my carpets which makes it difficult to push on wool carpets and then the added weight of the whole thing locked in! I have also found that the AT Twin Pedal floor head gets stuck under radiators because of its size. The pedals are too high up - the flatter style offered by SEBO's own patented designed Kombi Deluxe floor head is so much easier to use, even though it too has a metal plate - it does offer far better gliding and not as much strain either for use on carpets, hard floors and usage on stairs if locking onto the handles. Miele's lesser built floor heads are also flatter and don't tend to get stuck under low furniture or fixtures such as radiators. As for the Spotlight handle - its a good design feature but I think Miele should offer a manual on/off switch to save the LCD battery from running out. Otherwise it is just another thing to keep buying to use the function alone. A far nicer handle in my experience is the Comfort grip handle, which can also be ordered from Miele and copies SEBO in terms of a proper classic handle instead of a bent handle. | ||
| Post# 316043 , Reply# 62 2/19/2015 at 08:54 (3,353 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh I like Miele too, though lol
As you can see from my photo, I have the SBD285-3 and the SBD285-2 which originally came with my Miele S571. Those floor heads are similar to the ones SEBO install with their cylinder vacs too as "standard" floor heads, even though there is another one, slightly smaller with a plastic sole plate for the K series canisters. The SBD285-3 is "waiting in the wings" because my 285-2 floor head is probably on its last legs with a malfunctioning pedal that at times doesn't want to stay up for cleaning hard floors. The body is well scuffed but the metal sole plate is still very clean. But then, it is ten years old and has been used with all of my Miele vacs, so it is allowed to die off gracefully lol | ||
| Post# 318589 , Reply# 63 3/17/2015 at 10:41 (3,327 days old) by simplemind () | ||
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Many thanks to all for the help! Haven't made the purchase yet...too much travel, but I will soon. | ||
| Post# 318599 , Reply# 64 3/17/2015 at 12:05 (3,327 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I recently purchased a Miele "flex" / XXL handle from a German supplier. These handles are being fitted to some models, but not the S8 range in other countries. It gives the Miele S8 a super more compact way of being stored when not in use. It also offers a bit more length than the standard bent handle OR Comfort handle.
As you can see from the photos I have provided, the hose can be double over twice to three times around the suction tube with the floor head and tubes parked on one side and the XXL handle which has an ingenious clip on the underside to park on the other side.
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