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Thread Number: 27227
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Newly designed Sebo Felix synthetic bags ? |
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| Post# 305120 11/7/2014 at 04:15 (3,458 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
Following on from the post about my new Felix Vogue ECO, I got a box of bags for the felix from argos, curtusy of the £10 gift voucher when you spend over £100.
Didn't think much of it. Argos are selling them for £8.95 at the moment, cheapest I have found online, so I got them. The got delivered the day after the felix came, but it was only yesterday I opened the box to find that the bags have been redesigned, and look much better ! There wasn't much wrong the Felix's bags anyway, since they went synthetic, although I have experienced them leaking at the bottom, where coarse animal hair can make its way through the bag, but they are cheap and do the job. These new bags look much more akin to Miele bags now. The "stitching" is much wider and thicker, the bags feel heavier and sturdier, just much better quality, yet the price has stayed the same. I thought something was off when I opened them and they now stack them differently, they band them up 4 at a time, because I initially thought the box had already been opened. Who would want to open a box of vacuum bags for a sebo I don't know, but there we are. This is a company that gives customers what they want, not what they think they want. Very admirable and quite rare in todays world! | ||
| Post# 305121 , Reply# 1 11/7/2014 at 04:30 (3,458 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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That is good to see. :-) Next improvement I'd like to see personally as an allergy sufferer is to achieve an A rating exhaust filter as I look for the highest filtration possible. | ||
| Post# 305122 , Reply# 2 11/7/2014 at 04:35 (3,458 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Haven't we talked about this a 1000 times already ? These ratings are bloody useless at the moment. If a miele without a HEPA filter earns a higher exhaust emissions rating than one with a HEPA filter, then what merit do these ratings hold ?
If they are good enough to use in hospitals and endorsed by BAF, then they are good enough for me. | ||
| Post# 305124 , Reply# 4 11/7/2014 at 04:58 (3,458 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305129 , Reply# 6 11/7/2014 at 05:23 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Oh dear, here we go again.
What you fail to realise Marcus, is that even IF a vacuum cleaner emits higher than 0% on particle emissions, it isn't going to contribute to the amount of dust already present in the home even before you switch the vacuum cleaner on! What am I referring to? Dust in the air. If you have an air purifier already, there is really no need to worry about whether a vacuum cleaner emits dust - the fact that the air purifier is already cleaning the air should be enough to keep your home air clean. Short of living in a vacuum yourself, you will never be able to escape from dust. Open a window and dust from the air can come in. You might not see it at first but in time you may see it hovering around in the air. Secondly I wish to point out that way back in the 1990s from Miele's own vacuum cleaner brochures, they used S-CLASS FILTERS similar to SEBO - well before Miele jumped on the HEPA bandwagon. The filters used were the Active Air Clean and the S-Class filter that were shortly renamed when HEPA came along. | ||
| Post# 305135 , Reply# 8 11/7/2014 at 05:47 (3,457 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Getting back to the bags guys, don't you think they look great !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| Post# 305136 , Reply# 9 11/7/2014 at 05:50 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Oh no it wouldn't!!
You seem to forget that the vacuum cleaner is sucking up whatever is in the carpet or on the floor. Air moves around the home above the floor line as well as the science of dust you can't see that your air purifier will be picking up. If vacuum cleaners could clean the air that a room has in a home, why would there be the need for an air purifier?? The main hose would have to be a lot larger than 32mm/35mm to be able to cope with general dust that you can't see. Central heating systems produce dust as do other devices - you'd have to have the size of a ceiling air conditioner in terms of something powerful enough to literally suck the dirty air out of a room - a domestic or even commercial vacuum won't do it alone. Not only that, but the exhaust air is only one part on a vacuum cleaner that can be measured for dust emission - it isn't just the dust that the machine is sucking up, but the kind of dust that the motor is producing that is factored onto the filter it has to take it up as well as what the machine is putting out. A successful vacuum cleaner also has to be completely sealed, which most Miele and SEBO vacs are - however, there is a reason to why SEBO don't have any air valves on their handles - it leaks air, it leaks dust - and if you look at any used Miele handle with an air valve open you can see the clogged dust around that area. | ||
| Post# 305140 , Reply# 11 11/7/2014 at 06:04 (3,457 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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That may be the case Marcus, but that's likely to be carbon dust emmisions from the motor. Remember, on the Sebo, that the S Class Filter is before the motor, so household dust will never be reaching the motor itself.
Vacuums aren't designed to clean the air. They're designed to suck dust and dirt out of floors and furniture. The only vacuum I'm aware of that can be used as an air purifier is the Rainbow and that has to use a water filter to be able to do it. As previously stated, the EU ratings are all over the place. Just an example, a Vax bagless upright with NO BRUSHROLL CONTROLS got a higher ratings on hard floors that a straight suction Miele. Not to mention Vax uprights getting higher ratings that Dysons and cheapo Hoover uprights getting A filteration. If those ratings are quite clearly all over the place, what makes you think you have a leg to stand on when quoting Sebo ratings? | ||
| Post# 305142 , Reply# 12 11/7/2014 at 06:06 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Sirena vacuum cleaner has a low setting to be used as an air purifier. | ||
| Post# 305143 , Reply# 13 11/7/2014 at 06:07 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Principle, Marcus and actual are not the same.
There is no way that a domestic vacuum cleaner can take the place of an air purifier. Im sorry but I completely disagree - you're giving off a marketing phrase in your statement that clearly highlights what you've been brainwashed to believe. "It is then passed through a filter and clean air is emitted.." It is clean enough perhaps to the nose, but it won't be able to justify the WHOLE ROOM IN ONE GO. Maybe the corner in which you have placed the vacuum cleaner may emit clean air - but there's just not enough power in a vacuum cleaner to keep room air clean in general - and continously. Please read the link below from Wikipedia. You might not wish to believe it, but it does state categorically what kind of vacuum cleaner is required to attain the similarities to air purifiers. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 305144 , Reply# 14 11/7/2014 at 06:10 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Its likely to be carbon dust on the X series and K series yes but not on the Felix. But anyway i don't want to argue with you, you have a lot more experience than I do. :-) | ||
| Post# 305155 , Reply# 15 11/7/2014 at 08:14 (3,457 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
Thank you oliveoiltinfoil for sharing pictures and info on the new improve SEBO Felix synthetic bags. They look great, let us know how you get on with them. I have to say they look like the same design as the X series synthetic bags from the pictures you posted when I noticed them in an X series in John Lewis. I thought they looked different to the Felix version at the time.
I've just had a quick chat unexpectedly with a SEBO Demonstrator in John Lewis while I was looking at the new Eco Felix Vogue and X series. He was showing me the changes to the Felix. I noticed the ET-1 power head has Eco on it. He showed me the improve Kombi head where they have sealed the side channels at the edges to achieve C rating pickup as oppose to as rating but you can slide them out turn them over and slide them back in to old up the side channels for better edge cleaning. I was amazed and impressed by the 700 watt Eco motor. It was powerful for its size and quieter less heat generated on full power I thought to my 1300 watt Felix Classic. At first I didn't think he had it on full power as the noise sounded like it was on half to 3/4! The suction from the hose was great too. The guy side the old motor had less blades on it compared to this newer Eco motor that has more. He said they have had this new motor for a while now but if they had used it before now people (public) would not have been interested in buying the Felix. I like the newer improve cable holder coming out the back of the handle too. I forgot to check the bag out in the machine to see if it had the newer synthetic bag in it. Oliveoiltinfoil you should certainly enjoy this newer improved Felix Eco model with the newer synthetic bags. You will have to give us an update on how your getting on with it. | ||
| Post# 305156 , Reply# 16 11/7/2014 at 08:15 (3,457 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
Oli, thanks for the info and pics with regard to the new bags. They do indeed look more substantial than the previous type - would you say they were more akin to Miele bags in terms of thickness?
Cost and value aside, I do feel Miele have a slight edge when it comes to their bags. After using an S5 for three years, the bag compartment was still clean enough to eat from. The current Sebo Ultra Bags I'm using in my D2 are very good overall, but can let a little hair and fine dust through. Not a major amount, and it wipes away easily with a dry cloth, however I was a little disappointed the first time I noticed it. If the new style bags filter as well as Miele's, that will be the icing on the cake. | ||
| Post# 305158 , Reply# 17 11/7/2014 at 08:20 (3,457 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305160 , Reply# 18 11/7/2014 at 08:26 (3,457 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
and while the world and his dog are fighting to get one hundred percent filtration to 'alleviate' allergies they don't realise the damage they are doing by not letting our immune system become accustomed to these allergens.
then they wonder why they suffer in slightly dusty conditions. yet more brainwashing thanks to diesoon that's made allergy sufferers suffer even more. and they pay top notch for the privilege. hahaha | ||
| Post# 305161 , Reply# 19 11/7/2014 at 08:34 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha we are all exposed to pollen every summer and always have been yet hay fever is becoming more common. So whereas there is some truth in what you say there are many other factors. | ||
| Post# 305162 , Reply# 20 11/7/2014 at 08:40 (3,457 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 305168 , Reply# 22 11/7/2014 at 08:51 (3,457 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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| Post# 305178 , Reply# 24 11/7/2014 at 09:15 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305180 , Reply# 25 11/7/2014 at 09:21 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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The Air Purifier will capture that. Anyway you can say what you want i know from personal experience it has worked for me and many other people i have met through my work so i'm happy with that :) | ||
| Post# 305188 , Reply# 29 11/7/2014 at 10:20 (3,457 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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Thank you to both madaboutsebo and spiraclean.
@madaboutsebo, that is very interesting. I did not know that Sebo have made all those changes, then again, I don't have my old felix navy next to me to compare it with. I had a brief peak at the motor, or what I could, and I did noticed the a couple of blades, but what surprised me was how shiny the blades look. Defiantly a new motor. Who it is made by, I don't know, but one day someone will find out. I believe the motor fitted to post 2011 Felix's was a Bosch motor, the 2005 to 2011 one being Ametek, but not 100% sure. Sebo say all their components are sourced locally, how locally though they don't state. I imagine they mean within Europe, as a few components are made in Italy and France I believe, and also, the packaging for SEBO's are made in England believe it or not, the same company who make packaging for the iPhones ! (the box, wrappers and polystyrene) @spiraclean, they feel very similar to the Miele bags I have used. I had an S5 cat and dog and s7 around 3 years ago, and they are very good, durable bags. | ||
| Post# 305189 , Reply# 30 11/7/2014 at 10:39 (3,457 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Rob, that's a really great point that you made.
Marcus, you mentioned that alergies are on the rise, but have you ever stopped to think why? More alergies are developing because more people are insisting on high filteration and cleaner enviroments, which weakens immune systems. You need to be exposed to such things to be able to develop immunity to them. | ||
| Post# 305195 , Reply# 32 11/7/2014 at 10:53 (3,457 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Your welcome oliveoiltinfoil thought I'd share that info. To be honest I didn't know about most of though changes if that SEBO demo guy was not there to explain. He was very nice to speak to and friendly too. Good to know. Think he said there was about 5 fan blades on the old motor and about 24 fan blades on the new Eco motor which gave the same performance. I was impressed by the new Eco Felix would love one. Did know that about the packaging thank you for that information.
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| Post# 305197 , Reply# 33 11/7/2014 at 11:00 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Anyway I'm sure people are getting fed up of me talking about this so I shall say no more on the subject. You are free to form your own opinions. | ||
| Post# 305204 , Reply# 35 11/7/2014 at 12:07 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Haha there certainly are. It may be one factor but there are also other factors. Anyway what I've mentioned previously works for me. And breathing clear air into your lungs can not be a bad thing. :-) | ||
| Post# 305205 , Reply# 36 11/7/2014 at 12:23 (3,457 days old) by Sensotronic (Englandshire) | ||
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The most important thing you can do for your lungs is not smoke. | ||
| Post# 305206 , Reply# 37 11/7/2014 at 12:32 (3,457 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh yes.Thankfully no one in my household smokes. And any visitors that do smoke have to do so outside even if it's freezing. Haha | ||
| Post# 305220 , Reply# 38 11/7/2014 at 13:34 (3,457 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305418 , Reply# 39 11/9/2014 at 02:50 (3,456 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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I was waiting for someone to say that, that the more germs we kill and the more we protect ourselves from these allergy inducing pollens and dust, the weaker we become. I consider myself a very clean person, but I do not believe in these antibacterial sprays that some people use to spray down their worktop counters several times per day. I use just warm to hot water and bleach a couple of times per week and just some washing up liquid and a cloth daily, as did mg parents and touch wood, we have never contracted any horrible viruses and or any allergic reactions to dust or dust mites. This is not to say don't clean and live in squalor, but modern vacuum cleaners, and certainly sebos filtration is more than adequate for the average person health and wellbeing.
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| Post# 305419 , Reply# 40 11/9/2014 at 03:00 (3,456 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I was brought up exactly the same way as you olive oil but sadly I did develop allergies.So like I say there may be some truth to it but there are many other factors and a lot more research on the immune system is needed. | ||
| Post# 305430 , Reply# 41 11/9/2014 at 08:37 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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A lot of the time though, a few "modern households" seldom wash the daily damp cloth that goes over worktops etc. That's when the breeding of bacteria and germs gets to go around the whole kitchen, which second to the toilet should be the most hygienic area in the home, in my opinion.
So very few actually put their cloths into the washing machine. Mine get thoroughly washed instead of paying out for new ones. Until they finally disintegrate, that's when they get turfed. I also have microfibre cloths as well as sponges - which can also be machine washed. | ||
| Post# 305432 , Reply# 42 11/9/2014 at 08:45 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh yes i know Nar. Ewwwwww Ych a fi! I like those cloths to be washed regularly too. Maybe i have OCD! :) Cleanliness is next to godliness as far as i'm concerned. | ||
| Post# 305433 , Reply# 43 11/9/2014 at 09:39 (3,455 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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Going off topic for a moment...
My mother was a disinfectant queen. Everything got cleaned with disinfectant - usually the pine scented stuff. And bleach in the bathroom. I haven't adopted the same habits. I tend to use just a generic kitchen spray (great for keeping kitchen grease at bay). The only thing I use disinfectant on are the bathroom, kitchen and utility room floors. The toilet gets scrubbed with toilet duck, flushed and then bleach poured down it and left for a few hours. | ||
| Post# 305434 , Reply# 44 11/9/2014 at 09:43 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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LOL my late father was the scientist in the home - but everything that was dirty had to be washed down with Dettol or Savlon. All in the days before sprays were ever invented with antibacterial agents.
My late gran, the cleaner thought of a wiser concept and thus my childhood was forever reminded to wash dirty areas down with good old Zoflora compared to horrid Dettol. I wasn't a fan of bleach either, but I preferred staying with my gran because Zoflora is definitely better than Dettol in terms of putting up with the smell. When I worked in a coffee shop many years later i couldn't abide cleaning out the Taylor ice cream machine - bloody Milton fluid - again, the stench of bleach. | ||
| Post# 305435 , Reply# 45 11/9/2014 at 09:48 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Steam cleaning is another option. | ||
| Post# 305437 , Reply# 46 11/9/2014 at 10:25 (3,455 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire) | ||
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Some bleach facts
In the UK theres 2 kinds of bleach Thin - this just disinfects Thick - this cleans AND disinfects due to its soap and detergent ingredients. Both bleaches are one of the safest chemicals to use around pets full stop. Far safer than any anti bac, multipurpose or disinfectant. Thick bleach when diluted correctly is the best one to use for cleaning floors, greasy cooker tops, toilets, drains and washing out greasy manky dishcloths between laundering. Both bleaches are very safe to use in areas where pets live as once the cleaning solution is dry on the surface it leaves behind common salt. No need to rinse. Steam cleaning I've yet to be convinced. Never found it effective. Nor am I convinced of the hard floor washers. Those brushes harbour a load of nasty crap and spray water around skirting boards which end up in those being cleaned almost everytime I use the darn thing. Not to mention they don't cope with uneven floors and leave too much excess water in grout. If you think a bucket of hot bleachy water is filthy then your not changing you water often enough. Thick bleach has dirt suspension ingredients so if your spreading the dirt back onto your floor you have used your water for far too long or not added enough bleach. | ||
| Post# 305439 , Reply# 47 11/9/2014 at 10:32 (3,455 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I know bleach is an industry favourite... but
Bleach isn't for everyone though Chris, no matter what kinds there are.
Bleach and Jeyes Liquid (the outdoor equivalent) can often induce coughs and/or sneezing, even breathing difficulties from some buyers. It isn't safe on skin either. Im a fan of steam mops on non porous SEALED floors. I agree that steam washer uprights with brushes are no good. Steam mops are no probs on lino and no probs on tile either, though it has to be sealed to get the best out of it. No brushes to get dirty and the mop heads just gets chucked into the washing machine without conditioner otherwise the microfibres get ruined. Having worked in a kennel when I was a teenager (another one of those school "work experience" things) we only bleached kennels, blankets etc once a week. It has to dry before dogs are allowed back in, as it is harmful on their skin. A better alternative is good old fashioned clear water vinegar. It has a lot of great uses and has a surprisingly low scent, even when use with hot mops/cloths - compared to bleach. | ||
| Post# 305440 , Reply# 48 11/9/2014 at 10:37 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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I quite like my Vax steam cleaner you can use detergent with it if you want to :-) | ||
| Post# 305442 , Reply# 49 11/9/2014 at 10:40 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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We have used white vinegar its very useful around the home. | ||
| Post# 305486 , Reply# 50 11/9/2014 at 15:59 (3,455 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 305576 , Reply# 51 11/10/2014 at 03:54 (3,455 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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I wash my microfiber cloths in the washing machine at 90. As hot as possible so it properly cleans it. Put it this way, to this date (touch wood) we have had no problems with illnesses in my household. Bleach is relatively natural, especially compared to anti bacterial sprays and things, not to mention being far cheaper. Quite often in life, the simple things work the best.
I have a Vax deluxe hardfloor washer and I always use hot water with a dash of bleach. My mother has the same thing but she uses flash detergent which I don't think is as good but she uses it as it makes the floors smell of lemon afterwards ahaha! If we can get back to bags, I contacted sebo about them because I am that sad and have that much time on my hands or did at that particular point, and they said the bags are made of a new type of cloth which is more durable but more efficient and easier for the air to pass through. All good stuff. I got a sebo stairs and pet or whatever you call it turbo tool from john lewis a couple of days ago from john lewis for £30. As far as "traditional" turbo tools god, I think the sebo one is the best. Don't know who they are made by, they look very similar to the miele ones. The are well made and decent quality unlike some cheaper ones which last a few months before either falling apart or seizing up! Excellent on the car. Proper grooms the pile of the carpet! | ||
| Post# 305578 , Reply# 52 11/10/2014 at 03:59 (3,455 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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My favourite turbo brush is the Dyson tangle free :-) | ||
| Post# 305607 , Reply# 53 11/10/2014 at 10:01 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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SEBO and Miele tools are mostly supplied by Wessel Werk, including the turbo brush you speak of, Oli.
I had a Vax S2S whatever the hell it was called. Not for me. Far too heavy, far too cumbersome and the double tank idea was good in theory - neither tank came out properly without the use of a butter knife to edge it up and off. With the floor head crabbing along, I was never in much control of it, painful hand trigger to release the steam and all the while, soaking floors that took an age to dry. Much prefer the cheaper Hometek mops and more recently the Morphy Richards "basic" steam mop. So much easier, so much lighter and does without the nonsense of anything complicated. As for using detergent, I don't normally. But then it doesn't take much to spray cleaning liquid along a floor and then get the mop to soak it up. | ||
| Post# 305608 , Reply# 54 11/10/2014 at 10:12 (3,454 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Morphy Richards is a nice steam mop. The one you can release the little scrubbing brush which can be used to get into tight corners. | ||
| Post# 305659 , Reply# 55 11/10/2014 at 16:40 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 305661 , Reply# 56 11/10/2014 at 16:58 (3,454 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 305670 , Reply# 57 11/10/2014 at 17:51 (3,454 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I seldom use a 60C wash, most of the clothing I own has to washed with a lower temp any way although bed linen, towels etc, again 40C is enough for me. I have seen no difference.
However, when I lived in London many years ago, the amount of detergent I went through was ridiculous and a lot of the washing had to be done at a higher temperature. Infact when I think about it, every "wet" appliance had to be descaled every month! Back in the days of being a student, we didn't have "concealed" element kettles either. I do miss the traditional old fashioned stainless steel kettles though - they seemed to keep boiled water hotter for longer without having to re-boil again. | ||
| Post# 306964 , Reply# 58 11/21/2014 at 17:15 (3,443 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK) | ||
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Good to see the updated and improved synthetic bags for the Felix are even better. Look forward to buying some and trying them out sees at the difference is against the first version of them!
I have to say the Felix Eco I tried in John Lewis with the Eco 700 watt motor was impressive. The demo Guy did put it on full power when I tested it on carpet was great. Least there is less heat from the machine now. Meant to check if it had the new updated synthetic bag in it! | ||
| Post# 306966 , Reply# 59 11/21/2014 at 17:46 (3,443 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The new bags were not updated "to meet customers needs," but rather because SEBO had already conducted tests regarding the older synthetic ones and wanted to see improvements - one of them being the actual bonding between the top of the bag and the ring on the plastic holder. They have also improved the K series dust bags.
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