Thread Number: 27126
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SEBO returns to Argos |
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Post# 303624   10/29/2014 at 12:30 (3,466 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Online only, but good to see the brand back on Argos website. K. Felix & X vacuums.
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Post# 303625 , Reply# 1   10/29/2014 at 12:36 (3,466 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Ah, nice! I remember seeing the Sebo X4 in white being sold in Argos approx 6 years ago, so it has been quite a while, but its good to see them back again Thanks for sharing! |
Post# 303627 , Reply# 2   10/29/2014 at 12:50 (3,466 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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That's good to see I hope Sebo do well out of it :-) |
Post# 303631 , Reply# 3   10/29/2014 at 13:28 (3,466 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303632 , Reply# 4   10/29/2014 at 13:29 (3,466 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303635 , Reply# 5   10/29/2014 at 13:33 (3,466 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303636 , Reply# 6   10/29/2014 at 13:38 (3,466 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I hope so that is the cleaner I'm looking forward too ;-) |
Post# 303649 , Reply# 7   10/29/2014 at 15:24 (3,466 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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That was an X1.1, not an X4. Argos have never stocked the X4 before. It only lasted 2 catalogues - Autumn/Winter 2007 and Spring/Summer 2008. It wasn't a particularly big seller being, at the time, the most expensive bagged vacuum in the catalogue. There was also some controversy with John Lewis as Argos were under-selling them and JL threatened to pull the whole Sebo range. JL are Sebo's biggest retailer in the UK, so it made sense for Sebo to stick by them. |
Post# 303650 , Reply# 8   10/29/2014 at 15:29 (3,466 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Ah, right. Cheers for the info. |
Post# 303668 , Reply# 9   10/29/2014 at 18:21 (3,466 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)   |   | |
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Those look like fantastic prices for such high-end models compared to what we pay here in America. Your X4 pet costs only the equivalent of $495, while Amazon is asking $679 here! Any idea as to why this is? Are there are import taxes I'm unaware of? I can't imagine Americans having so much more disposable income, if any, to justify such higher prices. |
Post# 303695 , Reply# 10   10/30/2014 at 02:07 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I have seen the X4 for £218 over here which is about $357. Sebo and Miele are WAY overpriced in the US! So are Riccar but we don't have Riccar in the UK. |
Post# 303698 , Reply# 11   10/30/2014 at 03:09 (3,465 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303705 , Reply# 13   10/30/2014 at 04:53 (3,465 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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I think its because of the average wages which are higher in the USA than in the UK. |
Post# 303710 , Reply# 14   10/30/2014 at 05:24 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Not that much higher! And as I've said previously the Dealer can by the Riccar and Miele top models for no more than $500 then put a retail price of $1500 on them. $1000 mark up! I'd be asking questions if it were me :-) |
Post# 303711 , Reply# 15   10/30/2014 at 06:21 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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The other aspect to remember Marcus, is that Miele in the U.S cap their vacuums in terms of spec. Unlike the UK, where you can custom build your Miele vac to your own requirements, most Miele vacs in the U.S have specific model names that tie in certain floor heads, extra accessories, power nozzle options etc - and steadily explains the tiered prices accordingly.
Having looked at SEBO's U.S site (I have a cousin in NYC where she had to order a Canadian spec D1 because SEBO in the U.S lacked a suction only model only offering the D4 - but now they have a similar model) it would appear that SEBO allow their owners to buy in optional parts to custom build - proof that not all brands are the same with their approaches. |
Post# 303713 , Reply# 17   10/30/2014 at 06:49 (3,465 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I have come to the conclusion that SEBO build the finest bagged vacuums, in Europe at least. Love my felix. I also find their vacuums either look utilitarian and industrial, sort of classic looking like the X1 series, or retro and really stylish such as the D4's, but never at the sacrifice of usability. They are just really nice vacuums. I am a SEBO fan indeed. Much prefer them over Miele. I appreciate how SEBO still supply a power nozzle on two of their cylinders. That power nozzle being one of the best in the business.
I know that Argos sales as a whole have been increasing a lot during this year, was on TV a couple of weeks ago. Hopefully SEBO will again reach a wider market. In the next couple of weeks, I am planning to get a Felix Vogue ECO, as I have given my felix navy to my sister, which she absolutely loves. |
Post# 303718 , Reply# 19   10/30/2014 at 08:19 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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They do, but my personal tastes come down to Miele, whose present range is slightly better than the SEBO K series.
The K has been out for so long that I have gone through 3 different models, all of them suffering from the awful pull-pull cord rewind. I really hope that this new SEBO E model doesn't have a pull-pull cord rewind and goes back to a push button. The D series is big and sufficient though - a premium step up from a Henry vacuum in my experience. With Miele, you need to know the size of your home when justifying the different models and bag sizes. Ive been able to get a bit more than just 3 months from the current bag in my S8 and I'm impressed with the design. |
Post# 303720 , Reply# 21   10/30/2014 at 08:52 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Having had the heavy experience already with the old S6 Ecoline I had and the AirTeq twin pedalled floor head, I have a small range of older Miele suction only floor heads that can be used with the S8. Much prefer the older ones - the AirTeq double pedal ones are far too heavy, even if they are more durable - in my experience.
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Post# 303721 , Reply# 22   10/30/2014 at 08:57 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I prefer the standard floorhead that came with my S5. The Airteq is supposed to have better pick up to compensate for the lower power motors. I haven't tried one so i don't know if this is true? |
Post# 303723 , Reply# 23   10/30/2014 at 11:50 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Miele claimed that the double pedal AirTeq head could clean up pet hairs. Not with me. I find it too bulky as well. Their thinner "AirTeq" branded single pedal floor head supplied with the S8 now, is ok. I bought one last year as a replacement for my old S5211 and before I sold it on, no different to the previous ones, really.
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Post# 303724 , Reply# 24   10/30/2014 at 12:04 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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In 2017 when the motors will be capped at 900w all the mieles will probably have the Airteq double pedal floorhead apart from the electric power head model. Unless they come up with something new. |
Post# 303736 , Reply# 25   10/30/2014 at 14:48 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I cant say I agree because both Morphy Richards, Numatic and even AEG are already beginning to use the same Wessel Werk floor head that Bosch, Miele and SEBO have always used. I can't see how it would benefit Miele owners to have the much heavier floor head. In reality I find that the standard Miele floor heads offer just as good a cleaning performance than the double pedal floor head.
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Post# 303742 , Reply# 27   10/30/2014 at 15:07 (3,465 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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That should say 700w and 800w :-) |
Post# 303771 , Reply# 28   10/30/2014 at 18:54 (3,465 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Not quite - the C1 Ecoline or otherwise known as the S2 model that has an 800 watt motor makes do with Miele's budget plastic floor head, the 350-3 floor head.
Miele's 2 pedalled floor head would only be fitted to higher end models. Miele may be expensive but they are known to cap certain specs per models - otherwise there would be no point in going for higher priced models, if the floor heads were all the same with an Eco range. In SEBO's defence, the K series have certain different characteristics - the K1 base model has a 1.8 metre hose, all others have a 2.1 metre hose.
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Post# 303781 , Reply# 29   10/30/2014 at 19:40 (3,465 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 303841 , Reply# 31   10/31/2014 at 04:57 (3,464 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Miele claim all sorts of things - as an experienced owner - you have to take everything with a pinch of salt. Personally I find the double pedal AirTeq floor heads don't make much of a difference compared to standard suction combi floor heads.
For the same cost price, SEBO's patented Deluxe Kombi is better in my experience, plus it goes flat to the floor due to its double jointed neck. |
Post# 303842 , Reply# 32   10/31/2014 at 05:13 (3,464 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303844 , Reply# 33   10/31/2014 at 06:22 (3,464 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I shall stick with my standard floorhead then Sebo Fan :-) Oliveoil are you going off the Dyson now then? |
Post# 303846 , Reply# 34   10/31/2014 at 06:34 (3,464 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I thought about buying a new Felix, but to be honest my old one keeps on going. I see no point in buying a new one, though I would be interested to know, obviously what you think of the new Eco motor when you do get it, Oli.
Im ever so happy with my old 360. I initially thought it would be too big for my home but I have been pleasantly surprised. Just does what I want it to do, and has better performance than the X1 due to it having a manual height adjustment. |
Post# 303850 , Reply# 35   10/31/2014 at 07:42 (3,464 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 303909 , Reply# 36   10/31/2014 at 18:09 (3,464 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I reserved it today, picking it up tomorrow (it is now 11:05 pm on Friday 31st. Happy Halloween everyone :)
Hmm, not really, marcusprit. I love the dyson. It cleans wonderfully and is certainly the best bagless vacuum I have used, but since having a lot of family over recently due to my dad passing away, and how much more messy the house has got, and the more often I have had to empty the bin, the less I am liking bagless machines, but I knew this anyway. It is like I said, you cant have it all ways. With bagless vacuums, we know there is this problems, with bags, you have rotting filth for weeks at a time, but having a charcoal filter reduces this a lot I must say. I just love the felix and have never said otherwise. Yes, the felix has a couple of problems, the dyson does, but the felix is a classic all rounder, can do it all. VW Golf of vacuums - German quality and efficiency in a package a lot of people can use and get hold of, if this makes sense. I am getting the vogue because the colour scheme looks really nice, and different. |
Post# 303916 , Reply# 37   10/31/2014 at 18:34 (3,464 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 303948 , Reply# 38   11/1/2014 at 03:03 (3,463 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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Sorry to hear of your loss oliveoiltinfoil. I know where your coming from with regards to emptying a bagless vacuum. Must admit I don't miss emptying one. Your right they both have their issues bag or bagless.
Nice choice the Felix Vogue. Look forward to hearing what you think of the Eco version of the Felix Vogue. |
Post# 303950 , Reply# 40   11/1/2014 at 04:23 (3,463 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Ahh thank you everyone. Yes, I am not only worrying about vacuum cleaners. He did pass a few weeks back, but life goes on. Just gotta move forward !
Anyways yes, it is hard for me to say which I prefer. Bagless is obviously the less expensive option, although bagged vacuums, especially SEBO bags are to be honest inexpensive to replace given how long they last. They work out at just over £1 per bag. I'm picking it up later on, and shall post a thread once I have done so ! |
Post# 303951 , Reply# 41   11/1/2014 at 04:28 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Be interesting to see how the 700w motor compared to the 1300w. Might not be as much difference as you'd expect :-) Enjoy! |
Post# 303962 , Reply# 42   11/1/2014 at 08:19 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Dont forget Marcus - we are all collectors - so, even if Oli adored the Dyson, the love for purchasing new vacs is never far away.
I was talking to a rep the other day regarding the SEBO E Airbelt - it has a ONE TOUCH cord rewind button. So relieved, so yes, I will be buying a SEBO E as soon as they arrive in the UK! |
Post# 303965 , Reply# 43   11/1/2014 at 08:51 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Yes I'm looking forward to the E series. Will it have an exhaust filter similar to the D series? |
Post# 303966 , Reply# 44   11/1/2014 at 09:04 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 303969 , Reply# 45   11/1/2014 at 09:45 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Should be available in February. Might get the power nozzle model E3 I think it's going to be called. I know you're not a fan of power nozzles on cylinder cleaners but I prefer them to the noisy turbo brush. :-) |
Post# 303975 , Reply# 46   11/1/2014 at 10:38 (3,463 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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I'm the complete opposite. I'm highly allergic to dust allergens. I once had to empty a friends Argos Value bagless vac and was ill for 3 days afterwards.
I like the fact that all that dust and dirt is contained in a bag and not going anywhere. The minute you hit the bin release button on your bagless vac, you lose that sealed system and end up with leaks. It's unavoidable. I much prefer to put the bag seal on the Sebo bag and chuck it straight into the bin, not coming into any contact with that dust. |
Post# 303979 , Reply# 48   11/1/2014 at 11:33 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well, in light of the fact that most vacuums now come with lower motors, not all turbo brushes are noisier. Or so I have found recently.
You might not personally come into contact with any dust, but bagless is still messy. Dyson and others make great claims about bottom trapdoor releases, but if you dump the dust into a kitchen bag, the dust goes everywhere in terms of dust clouds. Same with putting the dust into another bag before tying it up and shoving that into a kitchen bin. I do have bagless vacuums though - they are worth considering for cheap and cheerful usage as well as other variations of usage such as cordless dust busters. |
Post# 303980 , Reply# 49   11/1/2014 at 11:44 (3,463 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 303982 , Reply# 51   11/1/2014 at 11:48 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I haven't noticed any dust clouds I should have said. I agree with you Dyson boy |
Post# 303984 , Reply# 52   11/1/2014 at 11:50 (3,463 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Very well put Turbo500. I couldn't have said it better myself.
Marcusprit: Surely the Sebo Felix or X4 performs as well or better than the Dyson and would eliminate that 3rd step of emptying the dirt bin into a bag then disposing the bag. Most dust clouds are INVISIBLE and always happen whenever you empty a bagless vac into a wast basket. Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it isn't there. That dust just reappears on top of your furniture in a couple of days, then you have to vacuum it up all over again. When I vacuum my home with my Kirby Sentria, I KNOW my home is CLEAN!
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Post# 303985 , Reply# 53   11/1/2014 at 11:51 (3,463 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 303989 , Reply# 55   11/1/2014 at 12:04 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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The Dyson is also easier to manoeuvre has better filtration a better hose assembly and edge cleaning on both sides. So in my humble opinion the Dyson wins :-) |
Post# 303990 , Reply# 56   11/1/2014 at 12:06 (3,463 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 303994 , Reply# 57   11/1/2014 at 12:35 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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It all comes down to personal usage and what you like as per the design. However there are other considerations to take on board.
I don't think I would have a Dyson upright again - I find them too abrasive and whilst they may well have softer brush rolls these days, the fact that there's always that forceful suction that can't be adjusted means my wool carpets and other loop carpets are in danger of being ripped to shreds. This is the reality of what happens when homes are required to have heavier, warmer carpets in colder conditions and if you have paid for the carpet YOURSELF. I agree here with Sptyks in terms of actual invisible dust in the air If you want a shocker invest in any one of those cheap globe fresh air machines. You'll be shocked once you go past them with a bagless vacuum. more so than one with a bag - the amount of dust particles that those machines catch and suck up out of the air is remarkable. |
Post# 303996 , Reply# 58   11/1/2014 at 12:42 (3,463 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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I have to disagree ever so slightly on the dyson's performance. In my honest opinion, the felix and dyson are very much neck and neck. They both win, in the own way, if this makes sense.
I love the dysons agitation. The suction at the head is the best I have ever come across on a vacuum. The agitation is very good. However, I have found on very low pile carpeting (I have kitchen carpet in the, yeah, kitchen!) it doesn't do as well, as the head is elevated slightly with the tiny wheels on the head. I think the bristles could do with being fuller and maybe two rows, and longer. What I most dislike about the dyson is probably the massive brush motor belt thing which leaves and inch of carpet ungroomed, and although I overlap my strokes, it is not a clean sweep. It means when you over lap, you have to make sure you go over the bit which is missed. The felix on the other hand still has very good suction, even at the cleaner head, although it isn't as well sealed, which is a good and bad thing. It doesn't snow plough at all, and although you can change the slider on the dyson, when you do this, you loose a lot of suction. The felix is much simpler in design, which a lot will like, in terms of how it performs. It is a large brushroll, thick with long stiff bristles, 2 rows and there are a lot of bristles. With the sebo, you obviously do get a decrease in suction as the bag fills, but it is nothing on the scale bagged vacuum used to be with paper bags. And as sebo_fan said, we are vacuum enthusiasts and not the average consumer. We love vacuums, not just one particular brand. Dyson and Sebo are my favourites for their respected type (bagged and bagless) I have disregarded modern day Candy Hoover, Morphy Richards, Russell Hobbs, Samsung and Vax to producing cheap, throw away vacuums. I find Hoovers to be very over priced for what they are. Vax typically are well priced. None of these manfuacturers make "original" genuine vacs, rather produced by a third party somewhere in China. With dyson, Sebo, Numatic and Miele you are buying in house designed and made vacuums. Thing is, some hoover and vax products are as expensive as mieles and sebo's, but you are buying Chinese quality, not German or British quality. |
Post# 303999 , Reply# 60   11/1/2014 at 12:51 (3,463 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 304000 , Reply# 61   11/1/2014 at 12:53 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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But thats the point I was also making, without actually saying it - to what extend does dirt become top fluff from a carpet after being continually cleaned? There is never an iota of maximum dust being pulled out of a carpet because eventually carpet tread will start to come out rather than actual dust!
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Post# 304005 , Reply# 63   11/1/2014 at 13:03 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Yes that is also true Sebo but there is also alot of dirt and grit deep in carpets that some cleaners miss, this grit can also wear down carpet fibres. I guess its all about getting the balance right. |
Post# 304011 , Reply# 65   11/1/2014 at 13:42 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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But even if dust rots in a bag, its not harmful if you have filters on board. I would find it annoying if I had to empty a vacuum cleaner each time I use it. With a bag you just let it fill up. Why else do you think hospitals and commercial venues still use bagged vacuums? Its not a matter of cost since the bags are far more hygienic.
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Post# 304015 , Reply# 67   11/1/2014 at 13:58 (3,463 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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How does dirt in a bag rot? Dirt is dirt! Unless you vacuum up a lot of food waste it still doesn't matter. Even it it does rot, it's in a HEPA bag made of several layers, so nothing escapes, not even odor. I'm basing this on my experience with the Kirby HEPA bag, which I replace every 3-4 months and I don't ever notice any odor. |
Post# 304017 , Reply# 68   11/1/2014 at 14:02 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Of course it rots cause you get bacteria growing in it! And every bagged vacuum cleaner I've had smells including the Kirby. |
Post# 304019 , Reply# 69   11/1/2014 at 14:05 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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And a HEPA bag doesn't stop odors a charcoal filter will help a bit but you still get some odor |
Post# 304027 , Reply# 70   11/1/2014 at 14:37 (3,463 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 304029 , Reply# 71   11/1/2014 at 14:41 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Haha neither thank you very much! Why do you think Sebo, Miele and Riccar all use charcoal filters? Hmmmm |
Post# 304053 , Reply# 74   11/1/2014 at 17:06 (3,463 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)   |   | |
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Post# 304054 , Reply# 75   11/1/2014 at 17:07 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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I agree with you on that point. |
Post# 304055 , Reply# 76   11/1/2014 at 17:10 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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That is good to see. I wish they had Riccar cleaners in the UK! |
Post# 304062 , Reply# 77   11/1/2014 at 17:46 (3,463 days old) by Madaboutsebo (Midlands, UK)   |   | |
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I owned and used both bagged and bagless vacuum cleaners over the years. I prefer to own a bagged vacuum specially having a pet. I don't miss emptying and cleaning the bin out and washing filters. Each to their own for personal preference.
You do have to ask if emptying a bagless bin into a plastic or paper bag surely defeats the object of bagless does it not? How many bagless owners empty the bin into a plastic bag? Emptying straight into the outside dust bin your disturbing the dust when you put other rubbish in there!? Then you have landfill. Dyson mention the new EU labels don't mention all the bags and filters that end up in landfill. What about all the users that empty bagless vacuum bins into plastic or paper bags that end up in landfill. Most plastic bags these days are biodegradable though, not sure about breakdown of synthetic bags. I'm not dissing Dyson just making a comment. Bag or bagless they have their pros and cons down to personal choice I think. I always questioned the rubber seals on bagless. When you empty the bin via the bottom trap door the rubber seals get coated in dirt and fine dust. I used to wipe them clean before closing the trap door. How many users do this? Most just empty and close. Surely the fine dust and dirt on the rubber seals will not give 100% seal? That's just me questioning this! Marcusprit can I ask you say you will save £200 over the 5 years is that filters and bags? If so how many filters and bags would this roughly be? I know the Dyson Cinetic your suppose to save on average use £500 over 10 years on bags and filters. |
Post# 304063 , Reply# 78   11/1/2014 at 17:51 (3,463 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 304064 , Reply# 79   11/1/2014 at 18:03 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 304068 , Reply# 81   11/1/2014 at 18:26 (3,463 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 304082 , Reply# 82   11/1/2014 at 19:38 (3,463 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 304086 , Reply# 83   11/1/2014 at 20:44 (3,463 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Of course Vax are made in China, as are iPhones, but plenty of people have moaned and complained about iPhones being made in China, especially the conditions the workers are put through. They have nets around the buildings to catch the workers if they try to comet suicide. I need say no more.
There is no denying it, China is not like Korea and Japan when it comes to quality and giving the customer what they want. As much as it is the fault of western companies investing in China, there is a lot of spying that goes on at Chinese facilities, especially at car plants. The Koreans and especially the Japanese have a knack similar to the Germans when it comes to creating something to the best of their ability. Quality is at the forefront, just look at what this ethic has done to their car industries. China have been making products for nearly as long as the Japanese and Koreans, yet the quality is still lacking in many aspects, yet the cost of the products do not equate to what you get. Hoover still want to charge £300 for a Chinese made vacuum. You can get a decent Miele or top of the line Sebo for that cash. And also, dirt in bags does rot. You are picking up skin cells, dust, moulds and allergies among food crumbs and in some cases animal hair, which does decompose, although having S class and HEPA filters does more or less eliminate it. One thing I have pondered over is although my dysons performance is very good, what is the point of picking up all them allergies and fine particles if they are going to fly up in the air and cover yourself in them? Even taking the bin outsides, I still get clouds of dust. It obviously depends on each household. At least with a bag you just wait for it to become full, seal the bag in which ever way and dump it. Long story short, I can see the arguments on both sides, but as of recent, I am preferring bags. |
Post# 304088 , Reply# 84   11/1/2014 at 21:14 (3,463 days old) by dys0nb0y (Luton)   |   | |
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Post# 304127 , Reply# 88   11/2/2014 at 05:43 (3,462 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 304128 , Reply# 89   11/2/2014 at 05:50 (3,462 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Super sweeper the DC41 Mk11 will not require new filters during the 5 year warranty period. The cyclones are so efficient now that they even filter down to 0.5 microns and the filters stay clean for long periods :-) |
Post# 304130 , Reply# 90   11/2/2014 at 06:33 (3,462 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 304131 , Reply# 91   11/2/2014 at 06:36 (3,462 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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Yes Oliveoil British engineering has a lot to be said for it. :-) |
Post# 304136 , Reply# 92   11/2/2014 at 07:05 (3,462 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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depends on the vacuum.
Miele bags seal automatically when you open the bag door. Sebo bags have a plastic cover that goes on before you remove the bag from the holder. The Henry bags can cause some dust to leak, yes, but if you tip the bin on it's bag so the dust all drops to the back of the back before you take it off the holder, this doesn't happen. This post was last edited 11/02/2014 at 09:02 |
Post# 304162 , Reply# 93   11/2/2014 at 08:08 (3,462 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Six weeks? That short? Try three months - or so much with a lot of bagged vac filters that don't even get that dusty because the bag gets the most of the dust.
Anyway Henry's HEPA FLO bags have an outer seal that swings over and pushes in past the rubber seal. I haven't found any dust to leak out of those seals - perhaps with the paper bags in a Henry, but not the HEPA Flo types. Whilst I agree with Chris here, a lot of brands are now offering the same approach as Miele, and even before Miele did the inner self seals, they had outer pull strips in the same way that Electrolux have offered as well as Hoover with their Purepower uprights and plenty of other brands. The amount of dust that comes off a bag is NOTHING compared to the amount of dust dumped on a floor on from a dust cloud when I've emptied bagless vacs in the past. But then some owners just pull the bag roughly off the channel which casts a big cloud of unnecessary dust. As do owners who continually bang the bagless dust bin off the side of their refuse bin when dust gets stuck at the top of the shrouds. |
Post# 304173 , Reply# 94   11/2/2014 at 08:40 (3,462 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)   |   | |
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6 weeks doesn't sound a lot, but with most bagless vacuums, dust starts visibly accumulating after the first couple of uses. 6 weeks and a clean filter is still impressive.
I have never had problems with dust clouds for bagged vacuums. Biggest problem I have had with bagged vacuums was the older paper ones which would split and the dirt would go everywhere, however the new, cloth type bags are much more durable, more hygienic and loose less suction and are generally more efficient. I prefer sebo bags in terms of sealing in the dirt, although it is a flap you have to put on yourself like the numatic bags, it cover the hole itself, rather than mieles flap which is spring loaded from the inside, and I found that my S7, the bag would accumulate near this flap and it didn't make a proper seal as the flap would close, but dirt would stop it from closing properly. I did moan about the SEBO bags leaking pet hairs, although I have replaced the bag when I gave it to my sister, and she has 2 cats and 2 dogs and there is no leaking whatsoever, so maybe it was a "bad batch". |
Post# 304176 , Reply# 95   11/2/2014 at 08:45 (3,462 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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The best bag I have come across is the Miele bag. Fantastic although a bit pricey. |
Post# 304179 , Reply# 96   11/2/2014 at 08:57 (3,462 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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Ahh OK, cheers for tip Chris |
Post# 304232 , Reply# 97   11/2/2014 at 14:36 (3,462 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)   |   | |
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Post# 304329 , Reply# 99   11/3/2014 at 06:59 (3,461 days old) by marcusprit ()   |   | |
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The DC24 was noisy but the DC41 Mk11 is a lot quieter. Very similar noise to the Felix.I wasn't keen on the K1 I think the new E series will be an improvement. |
Post# 304345 , Reply# 100   11/3/2014 at 07:54 (3,461 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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The DC41 mk2 is quieter than a DC24? Wow! Impressive considering the DC24 has a 650w motor in a compact machine, in comparison to the full size DC41 which is like the best performing Dyson |
Post# 304368 , Reply# 102   11/3/2014 at 10:22 (3,461 days old) by parwaz786 ( )   |   | |
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That sounds very good! Thanks XD am so tempted |
Post# 304491 , Reply# 103   11/3/2014 at 17:42 (3,461 days old) by blakaeg (NW London, UK)   |   | |
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I'm going to Currys in Purley Way, Croydon on Saturday. Will try out a DC41 mk2 and a DC40 2015 to compare noise levels. The DC50 seems to be noisier than the DC24 only by a bit. |
Post# 304512 , Reply# 104   11/3/2014 at 19:29 (3,461 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Like mostly everything SEBO design, it requires the owner to get to know the vacuum in question rather than just rely on the controls or what you've done before.
I never bothered about the way the suction control dial on the K moved but SEBO were crafty in adding that small to enlarged plastic concave acting as the low to high suction indicator. You can always tell a private company though in the way they design things - the K3 has a fixed control dial since the suction control is on the handle due to the electric hose - but the company haven't made the K3 or the K3 Vulcano a unique design in terms of that concave being removed. A cost cutting idea maybe but some owners would probably feel they haven't had such a unique machine with the permanent concave set into the plastic for the higher cost prices. Im not one for fancy dials and LED lights. If a machine has a running light or a bag fill light, then that's all I really like. I've had vacuums before with LED lights showing the suction strength but they soon break in long term ownership. Another thing that teaches me differently over other vacuums is that SEBO filters for the most part can only be fitted one way. Same with the dust bags. Ever so simple, ever so reliable. |
Post# 304574 , Reply# 105   11/4/2014 at 06:24 (3,460 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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