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Post# 299007   9/20/2014 at 13:36 (3,505 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

At one of the estate sales this morning, I was waylaid in the kitchen, looking at Corningware. Robert beat me to the basement, and when I got to the bottom of the stairs, he told me to follow him. That's usually a decent sign. Lol! We meandered through the laundry room and this Kenmore canister was sitting in a small room to the side. Marked $22, I couldn't leave it, especially in such nice condition. Just gave it a quick wipe, haven't plugged it in yet.. I think the hose must have been replaced, but maybe not.. The cleaner looks like it didn't get much use. I love the 10' hose! I'll have to put it on line for a spa day... I'm curious to play with this; I've never had a Kenmore of this era. Does anyone know of there are HEPA bags available for this cleaner?

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Post# 299009 , Reply# 1   9/20/2014 at 13:42 (3,505 days old) by sbakerde (Millsboro, DE )        
I'm a little jelly

I have the same unit but yours is in much better shape. Incredible find!

Post# 299011 , Reply# 2   9/20/2014 at 13:46 (3,505 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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Very nice!

Post# 299027 , Reply# 3   9/20/2014 at 15:18 (3,505 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Also found this GE. It's been repainted (took me a bit to realize that, as it was done really well). Nice little machine!

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Post# 299031 , Reply# 4   9/20/2014 at 15:48 (3,505 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Amazing find. I can't believe the beautiful condition it's in. Was this from a collector?

Those are such well made vacuums. Everything is high quality and fits just so. Nothing about them is cheap. The round hole in the rear face allows you to plug the hose in and use it as a blower. This feature was deleted in the last couple of years that canister body was built. I use HEPA bags for a Numatic Henry in mine. You have to fold the bottom edge of the bag's cardboard end under a little to get the red bag adapter to seat, but that is a minor nuisance. You can also use a HEPA bag for a Riccar or Simplicity canister but that bag is much smaller than the Numatic bag. Even the Numatic bag is not quite as wide as the 5023/5033/E bag Kenmore sells.

Where is the red spout the bag attaches to? There is supposed to be a red spout with a flat end that slides into the slot in the bag chamber where the hose penetrates the body. I don't see it in the images. Without that it is basically impossible to get a bag to stay put. The elastic opening in the bag is supposed to fit over the spout. The flat end slides into the slot in the vacuum body, and the hose fits snugly into the inside diameter of the spout with a seal. Without that red spout, you have to finagle the bag over the end of the hose and they never seal right, and sometimes pop off during use. Been there done that. Find that red spout if you don't already have it. Good luck, I have been a couple of years trying to find one as I'm down one as well.

Store the hose laid straight and flat on the floor to preserve it. Don't hang it. Those hoses are harder than all get out to find. Preserve it carefully.

Ten foot hose, large bag capacity, great suction tools, just a happy combination of qualities. One of my favorite vacuums. Glad this one found a good home. I am looking at a more or less similar blue on on ebay for $129 and it is badly yellowed. Yours looks new. Well bought, bravo.


Post# 299038 , Reply# 5   9/20/2014 at 16:30 (3,505 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        

Thanks!

 

Nope, not from a collector.. Just an estate sale.  Everything in the house was remarkably clean and in near perfect shape.  She also had 2 SP Hoover Windtunnels elsewhere in the house that I didn't even give a second look to; already have one.. I may go back to the sale tomorrow, there was a TON of stuff packed into the house.

 

The red bag adapter is present, it just didn't make it into the photos.  I'll have to hunt down some higher filtration bags.  With these machines, one of the things that has never appealed to me is the sort of "Rube Goldberg" appearance of the powernozzle.  To me these just don't look very finished or polished; odd little wheels, and knobs sticking out all over the place.  I'll give it a try though, before I make a final decision about it. 

 


Post# 299047 , Reply# 6   9/20/2014 at 16:54 (3,505 days old) by kenkart ()        
Hi Fred...

As you know, these are a little new for me to consider them vintage, but for deep cleaning plush carpet, they really are fantastic...as you also know, I dont really like power nozzles in general, im more of a 1950s straight suction fan...

Post# 299059 , Reply# 7   9/20/2014 at 17:33 (3,505 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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I enjoyed these machines, aunt had one and landlady before the Concept 1.

Post# 299063 , Reply# 8   9/20/2014 at 17:57 (3,505 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
Wow Fred

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Great vacuums especially the Kenmore made by Whirlpool those never died .
My neighbor had one Mrs. Galloway hers was avacado green sears best .
She also had a 60's Mini Cooper in Coper brown with a white vinyl push back sunroof
it was a tiny car but she lived that more than her 1970 Lincoln Town car .

Dan


Post# 299074 , Reply# 9   9/20/2014 at 19:34 (3,505 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

The first generation of the Powermate such as the one shown wasn't so well developed. Subsequent generations have stood the test of time and have become the industry standard. Current production Kenmore Powermates, Hayden Deluxe, Centec, Nutone and Panasonic powered floor brushes are all developments of the second generation Powermate and many parts are swappable across more than 35 model years. A second generation Powermate will work fine with this vacuum. That is what my examples came with. I use a Hayden Deluxe powered brush with them just to save the wear and tear on the originals.

Kirbyloverdan, I ran some model numbers of these same vacuums as well as the model number of an earlier steel bodied canister from the preceding generation past Sears in a letter, asking who actually made them. Sears reply was they were not built by Whirlpool but by Matsushita Electric Corporation of America. It may have been under contract to Whirlpool (I am still trying to understand how it worked), but according to Sears these vacuums were manufactured by Matsushita. They had several big plants in the US at the time. Before you protest consider that Whirlpool owns the Maytag name but contracts out the production of Maytag branded vacuums to Tacony. There is precedence for Whirlpool to contract out the production of their vacuums to third parties rather than build them in house. I believe that was the case with these. This takes nothing away from the excellence of their design and construction.


Post# 299079 , Reply# 10   9/20/2014 at 19:54 (3,505 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        
Score!

I have the "Sears Best" version of that model and it's a great vacuum. Fred, think Hoover Dimension 1000, only not as sleek! I love the way the vacuum itself and the power nozzle sound, powerful and efficient.

Post# 299085 , Reply# 11   9/20/2014 at 20:51 (3,505 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Yep, one of the all time great canister vacuums. Their ease of use and durability are amazing to me. Only the paucity of hoses makes me pause before using mine on a routine basis.

Post# 299086 , Reply# 12   9/20/2014 at 20:53 (3,505 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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DT thanks for the info I always appreciate the facts about vacuums I don't know everything and I am always glad to learn more ;)

Dan


Post# 299090 , Reply# 13   9/20/2014 at 21:27 (3,505 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I still do not believe that Matsushita had any involvement with Kenmore vacs in the 1970's. They were just entering the North American market with their own line of imported Made in Japan vacs that looked nothing like the Kenmores. Whirlpool had no need to get vacs made by a newcomer to the US market: they actually had far more experience in vac-making for Americans than the Japanese and did not need them.

Until a Panasonic Annual Report or corporate trade article shows me a contractual agreement from the 1970's between Sears and Whirlpool and Matsushita, I will not be convinced. I trust a document from the archives of Panasonic more than a letter from a young consumer relations agent at Sears.

Just my humble opinion... :-)


Post# 299099 , Reply# 14   9/20/2014 at 23:18 (3,505 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

I don't know why it bothers you so much. So what if Matsushita built them. Why is that so offensive to you? Are you equally bothered that Whirlpool farms their current vacuum production out to Tacony? If they farm their vacuum manufacturing out today, why not three decades ago?

Why would you believe the word of Panasonic more than Sears? I have asked this question of Panasonic a few times and they have refused so far to reply. They may be bound by some contractural terms not to say anything. I don't know, that's just conjecture. Sears at least was forthcoming about it. You can say what you want but do you have a letter from either Panasonic or Sears as I do that contradicts what I have?


Post# 299108 , Reply# 15   9/20/2014 at 23:59 (3,505 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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What if Whirlpool walked up to Matsushita and said, 'hi newcomer! How would you like to make some vacuums for us?'. What if Whirlpool did so to alleviate manufacturing pressure on themselves and had a few of their models made by Matsushita? For all we know, they could've been manufacturing the same model at the same time, or manufacturing one model for a while, then farming it out to Matsushita! You never know! laughing


Post# 299121 , Reply# 16   9/21/2014 at 01:21 (3,505 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Matsushita set up manufacturing plants in the US in 1961 under the name of Matsushita Electric Manufacturing of America. By the 1970s they had an established manufacturing base making audio, TVs and microwave ovens, along with heavy industrial equipment, power generation and distribution equipment and the like for the US market. Matsushita Electric Industrial Company, LTD, the parent, traces its beginning to 1918. Whirlppol was not formed until 1950 though it's roots date as far back as Matsushita's. Matsushita, now Panasonic, was and remains a heavyweight in the industry.

The company put everything under the Panasonic name in 2008. Panasonic was originally only used on consumer electronics and appliances for the US market. Everywhere else Matsushita used the the National brand name but that name was already trademarked in the US. Over time Panasonic gained brand recognition over the Matsushita name and in 2008 the corporate name was changed to Panasonic Corporation.

One last thing. It is telling to me that no history I have read of Whirlpool makes even one mention of making vacuum cleaners. They talk about the evolution of every other appliance they make but not a word regarding vacuum cleaners.


Post# 299149 , Reply# 17   9/21/2014 at 07:41 (3,504 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA)        
That's

a great vacuum you found. Very nice and in amazing condition.

With regard to Whirlpool involvement with vacuums, the vendor or source code of 116 indicates Whirlpool manufactured. At least from the late 1950's through the mid 1990's.

Whirlpool vacuums were produced in St. Paul MN and then at a new factory in Danville KY. Whirlpool sold the Danville facility and the vacuum business to Matushita sometime in the early to mid 1990's. There were Whirlpool branded vacuums available from 1985 to about 1991 or so.

L.P.


Post# 299153 , Reply# 18   9/21/2014 at 08:29 (3,504 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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You are correct I think the sale to Panasonic is the reason for DT's and Sears confusion .
Whirlpool also made an 8lb vacuum that David Oreck bought the rights from Whirlpool
while he was working at Sears . That's how we now have the famous 8lb Oreck thanks to
whirlpool manufacturing vacuum cleaners .
Just as Eurekalux is claiming the success from the US brand original Electrolux once you own the company you can make any claim you desire ;)

Dan


Post# 299169 , Reply# 19   9/21/2014 at 11:24 (3,504 days old) by kenkart ()        
Re Whirlpool

Whirlpool got the vacuum business from a Sears deal...Sears engeneered a hostile takeover of Birtman electric company and Seeger refrigerator company in 1957, this got their vacuum and mixer business as well as Coldspot business under 1 manufacturer..the Birtman built Kenmore vacuums have a odd looking motor built by Birtman, when this took over, they sold off the mixer business to Hamilton Beach, thus the 116 prefix, gave way to a 400 prefix, denoting HB, if you look at a Kenmore vacuum closely, somewhere you will find FSP stamped on it....Factory Specified Part = Whirlpool.Somewhere around the same late 50s timeframe, Whirlpool bought out Servel to get the ice maker, thus Coldspots had icemakers fairly early.

Post# 299173 , Reply# 20   9/21/2014 at 12:30 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

There is no confusion. I gave Sears the model numbers to a number of my vacuums, the oldest of which is a steel bodied thing that dates to the early 1970's model number 116.29971 (2-speed 2.7 "Sears Best"). I gave them the model numbers of two of my cream colored square bodied Kenmore canisters that are from the same series as this beautiful blue one. They are model numbers 116.22997(2-speed 3.9 with wood grain on lid) and 116.2399182 (variable speed 4.1). You can look all of these up in Sears Parts Direct using the model numbers and see for yourself that they are old square bodied Kenmore canister vacuums. In every case of a model number I own, Sears told me that they were manufactured for them by Matsushita. There is nothing even a little confusing about what Sears told me.

From 1984 on, Kenmore's first two generations of 5055 bagged machines were sold by Panasonic as their "V-Series" canister vacuums. Find out what Panasonic V9610, V9620, V9626, V9628, V9634, V9638 and V9647 are. You will see these are exactly the same canister vacuums sold by Sears under the Kenmore name. The lower cost suction only models Sears sold were likewise identical to several Panasonic models of that era.

I cannot fathom how the idea that Matsushita assembled Sears vacuums in a US plant gets so many people here so dialed up.


Post# 299176 , Reply# 21   9/21/2014 at 12:41 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Btw, the 116 prefix carries forward to their current vacuums which are still made for them by Matsushita/Panasonic, only at a plant in Mexico. My brand new Progressive is model number 116.21512012. That prefix has apparently been used by Birtman, Whirlpool and Matsushita/Panasonic and unlike other manufacturers prefixes hasn't died with the death of a manufacturer.

Post# 299192 , Reply# 22   9/21/2014 at 15:29 (3,504 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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Owns the rights to claim they made Sears vacuums from day one that's where the confusion is just like every manufacturer who purchases any company owns the right to say what ever and ignore the past .
Us true lifelong collectors know the true history of vacuums ;) Sears can say what ever they feel like saying it doesn't mean it's the word according to the almighty sears .


Dan


Post# 299198 , Reply# 23   9/21/2014 at 16:28 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

So here is my letter today to Whirlpool.

"I am trying to determine what Sears Kenmore vacuums were produced by Whirlpool and which were produced by Matsushita. I collect old Kenmore vacuums and have them going back to about 1970/71.
I posed the question to Sears giving them model numbers 116.29971, 116.22997, 116.2399182, 116.2145080 and some later model vacuums. Sears replied that all were produced by Matsushita, not Whirlpool. 116.2145080 is identical to a Panasonic MC-V9634 canister vacuum. but some in the industry and collectors still argue the identical Kenmore vacuum was a Whirlpool product.
Prior to the joint venture at your Kentucky vacuum plant circa 1990 did Whirlpool or Sears have some sort of contract with Matsushita to manufacture vacuums for Sears? From what I can see Matsushita was making at least some of Sears vacuums going back maybe all the way to 1970. Others will argue all of these vacs were built by Whirlpool up through about 1990, notwithstanding the V-Series Panasonic vacuums being part for part identical to Kenmore badged machines from 1984 forward.
Any clarity you could provide is greatly appreciated by this Kenmore vacuum fan. Thanks,

Phil"

I will post their reply if I receive one.


Post# 299199 , Reply# 24   9/21/2014 at 16:30 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Kirbyloverdan, I didn't get the information from Panasonic. It came from Sears. Panasonic has not replied to my requests for information. We will see if Whirlpool does.

Post# 299214 , Reply# 25   9/21/2014 at 18:06 (3,504 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
DT

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I understand but the confusion is coming from Sears and they are confusing you :)
I really don't think Sears has any idea of the history .
Nice letter see what they come back with hopefully it's not more confusing information .

Dan


Post# 299215 , Reply# 26   9/21/2014 at 18:15 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

So what about the Panasonic V-Series canister vacuums I listed? They are part for part identical to Kenmore canister vacuums from 1984 onwards. I think it is impossible to argue that by 1984 Matsushita was not building Kenmore vacuums, or at the very least Whirlpool and Matsushita had some sort of agreement to share design and engineering at the very least. The V-series is exactly the same vacuums as Kenmores first to generation of 5055 bagged machines. There is no confusion at all about that. Look at them and you will see what I mean.

Post# 299224 , Reply# 27   9/21/2014 at 19:46 (3,504 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany)        
Desert Tortoise

Ok, can we not turn my thread about my new Kenmore into a pissing match about?

 

Do you even believe for a minute that ANYONE left at Sears (the hot crumbling mess that they are) knows ANYTHING about products that were produced 30+ years ago!?  Give me a break!  I think others on this forum may possibly know more about Sears' vacuum cleaners than whomever is manning the switchboard at Sears. 

 

We have users on this forum who in fact work (or have worked) for Whirlpool, I won't reveal identities - but suffice it to say, I feel that we have (received) correct information. 

 

I also don't find it the least bit surprising that Whirlpool makes no mention of their vacuum cleaner production.  They got their hands slapped pretty hard by Sears when they did that - there were probably still scars until Sears completely cut the cord a few years back.  The Whirlpool machines were wonderful vacuum cleaners, it's too bad that they weren't able to continue producing them.

 

If you want to continue arguing about who made what for who -- do it in another thread.  You have plenty to choose from, as you start enough threads about the same thing(s) over and over, which could easily be contained in far fewer threads. 

 

Thanks!

 

-Fred

 

 


Post# 299227 , Reply# 28   9/21/2014 at 20:02 (3,504 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Some Info:

Fred:

This is a great score - an uncommon find in any condition, and even more so in such fantastic shape.

This is the uppermost of the MOL Kenmores from that era, just one model below the Sears Best version. The basic differences were: The Sears Best model had a detachable "tool garden" tray that fit on top of the canister, holding all the tools, and it had a two-speed motor.

The 10-foot hose you found is pretty rare. It was an option; if you will look at the specifications label you show in one of your photos, you will see it specifies a 6-foot hose. You could buy the 10-foot hose as an option. If you were buying a machine in a Sears store, you could specify the 10-foot hose and get credit for the standard 6-foot hose. The "credit back" arrangement was only available in stores; you could not get it through the catalog.

That power nozzle is one of the best and most versatile ever made, its "Rube Goldberg" appearance notwithstanding. The biggest feature is the carpet height adjustment, which puts the brush roll at the perfect height for any kind of carpet. One of my Atlanta houses had shaggy rya rugs over low-loop Berber carpet; the Sears Best version I had could handle both pile types easily. It also makes it possible to compensate for brush-roll wear. I can't tell from the photo if yours has the headlight or not; the same housing was used for both versions. The headlight is a nice, nice feature. The Edge Clean is passive, meaning there's a little non-powered red plastic brush in the corner of the soleplate that is supposed to whisk dirt away from baseboards, etc.

These were excellent vacuums, but their survival rate is not great. First, they're plastic-bodied. Second, the Sears customer wasn't the kind of "old money" customer that Electrolux had, who would maintain and repair an older vacuum.

I have only one question: What wonderful thing have you done to deserve this AND an Ironrite 95? You must be living right!


Post# 299241 , Reply# 29   9/21/2014 at 21:39 (3,504 days old) by hydralique (Los Angeles)        
I will agree . . .

A height adjustment is a mighty nice thing to have; I'm surprised that all high end power brushes don't have this feature because it makes the product that much more useful. Love the blue color of this vac too, very pretty - I really enjoyed looking at the photos. Overall a fabulous find and it's good to know it has gone to a collector and not just someone looking for a cheap vacuum.


Post# 299243 , Reply# 30   9/21/2014 at 21:45 (3,504 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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It still makes me laugh on some of those when you hit the shag setting how high up it goes. If you have/had carpet that thick you may get lost in it if you lay down!!

Post# 299244 , Reply# 31   9/21/2014 at 21:45 (3,504 days old) by kenkart ()        
The height adjustment,,

Is better than most because of 4 wheels, instead of just raising the front at an angle, it raises it level....really works., im not much on power nozzles, to me most are clunky, but clunky or not, these clean well.


Post# 299250 , Reply# 32   9/21/2014 at 21:58 (3,504 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I know they cleaned very well, we had one for a short time green/creme colour with the light on the p.n. until mom lent it to the neighbours that were moving & it moved along with them!

Post# 299258 , Reply# 33   9/21/2014 at 22:26 (3,504 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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LOL the 'who made what for Sears' war is almost as bad as the Kirby vs. Dyson war! Still makes for an interesting read! laughing

 

The Kenmore find is stunning! I have the Sears Best model in Avocado and wood-grain! It's Devine! Whenever it sees use, it follows me around and leaves no mess behind, puttering along happily the entire trip! It's marvelous on both bare floors and rugs, I'm sure your model does the same! Yours is later than mine, about the early 80s. Sears fixed their troublesome Tool Garden (you always find them with broken teeth, I got VERY lucky with my Duo-Power, and to think I almost didn't buy the thing! surprised) by integrating it into the hood! 

 

LOL Mark, that Kenmore must've felt terrible as it waved bye from the back of a moving truck! I wonder what became of it?


Post# 299263 , Reply# 34   9/21/2014 at 22:35 (3,504 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Mark:

The pile on my best rya rug (a Cabin Crafts design by Bittan Valborg) was around 2-1/2 inches long. More ordinary shag carpet of the '70s was typically 1 inch to 1-1/4 inches long. That "High" setting was DAMN useful back then.

Shag had its drawbacks - especially the marks it could leave on skin. Don't ask me how I know that. :)


Post# 299264 , Reply# 35   9/21/2014 at 22:37 (3,504 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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I dunno Alex, LOL ours had the option of having it inside or on top which was useless if you stood it up, everything fell off. I did at leads get to try that before the heist. It would have been nice to gave found out how long it would have lasted. Ohh we had the floor scrubber too the turquoise one that one I lent to my bods then she left the hotel for another place & never saw that one again either.

Post# 299282 , Reply# 36   9/21/2014 at 23:29 (3,504 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        

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2 1/2 inches thick? You better not invite Mickey Rooney over or you'll never find him! Hahahaha, 2 1/2 inches thick, Mickey Rooney!.....anybody get that joke? Anyone? laughing

 

 

 

 

 

 

Who's minding the store! wink

 

 


Post# 299284 , Reply# 37   9/21/2014 at 23:42 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Danemodsandy, yes the bodies were plastic, but there is plastic and then there is plastic. Those bodies are tough. Really tough. Nothing about these vacuums is fragile. We have had one in our family since 1983, a 4.1 with the variable speed motor and the off/on/floor switch on the hose. It came with the second generation Powermate upon which all subsequent Powermates are based. It was never babied. My parents didn't collect vacuums. it was a broom with a motor in it, nothing more. In 35 years of regular use, it has needed one replacement ten foot hose (luckily it happened when you could still buy one and put your ends on it), a motor for the Powermate (needs another, the new one didn't last a quarter as long as the first) and it yellowed from age. Oh yeah, the foam pre-motor filter crumbled. The old Lamb motor still has well over half the brush length left, credit using it below full power most of the time. The lid seal still seals fine. A very careful well aimed spritz of some Triflow teflon lube to the cord reel restored smooth function. The cord itself cleaned up nice. Functionally it works like a new vacuum.

Some Retrobrite reversed the yellowing, I cleaned it out thoroughly and if I could get a reliable supply of hoses for it I am sure it would soldier on happily another 35 years. I have to replace the foam on the pre-motor filter (foam arrived this week, I've been running Electrolux bulk filter media in it's stead along with a more modern filter media for the exhaust filter), replace that Powermate motor and that's it. The brush roll and beater bar are original and still have plenty of bristle left. I use HEPA bags for Numatics to keep it clean inside. It's a great vacuum. I can't think of a tougher vacuum than these.

I'll tell you what, I have it's steel bodied predecessor, my Avocado Bomber, a Sears Best 2.7 2-Speed and this generation with it's plastic body is a better vacuum in every possible way.


Post# 299285 , Reply# 38   9/21/2014 at 23:49 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

Ok Hoovercelebrity, you tell me why examples of the Panasonic V-Series canisters and Kenmore's first gen 5055 bagged machines and the follow on Whispertone series are part for part identical. We are talking vacuums that went on sale in 1984 that were sold under the Kenmore and Panasonic names that are identical in every way but the name and model designation. What is the story? Did Whirlpool make vacuums for Matsushita rather than the other way around? I might actually believe that btw, though Matsushita also made components and appliances sold under the GE brand name. They did contract work like that and not just for Whirlpool. It was one of the ways Matsushita made a living. You make a claim to know people who were there. What is the story?

Post# 299292 , Reply# 39   9/22/2014 at 00:10 (3,504 days old) by DesertTortoise ()        

It just dawned on my that this vacuum was found in Minneapolis. There is another blue one just like this one being offered on Craigslist in Minneapolis that I have been e-mailing the seller of hoping I could convince them to let me pay them to ship it out to California. They are asking $31 which I would gladly pay along with whatever shipping would cost. Under $50 I expect for the least costly ground shipping. They never reply, which might be why it has sat on Craigslist for so long. Man I would love to add one of these to brighten up the collection.

Post# 299314 , Reply# 40   9/22/2014 at 08:10 (3,503 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Phil:

I know how tough those vacs' bodies were, but what I think you're forgetting is how many people there are out there who could tear up an anvil.

I used to see broken Sears vacs in thrifts with fair regularity - in fact, my local Salvation Army had the Sears Best model recently with a broken handle, which is about the thickest, toughest portion of that vac's body.

I don't see so many today, but that is more because a Sears vac from that era is a rare find after this many years.


Post# 299316 , Reply# 41   9/22/2014 at 09:02 (3,503 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis)        
That is just about enough DT

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Listen up DesertTortoise, you were told quite clearly to drop it, you are doing nothing more than trying to pick a fight here. It certainly isn't the first time you've done this and we are quite over some of your posts being marked as offensive in other threads for that very reason.

I want you to take a posting break from VL for one full week, after that if you wish to continue posting you'll need to be extra careful with your posts. I don't want any more threads unnecessary hijacked with nonsense that adds absolutely nothing but drama.

Sorry for the interruption everyone.


Post# 299318 , Reply# 42   9/22/2014 at 09:48 (3,503 days old) by Magic-Clean (FL-GA)        
Here is

a historical document that tells the vacuum story in brief. The details are sprinkled about the 1950's (1957) through 1990's(1994) era.

L.P.


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Magic-Clean's LINK


Post# 299336 , Reply# 43   9/22/2014 at 12:39 (3,503 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        

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nice kenmore Fred, that would be from 1979 due to the tall bumper. ill post a pic of that exact vacuum from my 79 sears spring/ summer catalog when i get home tonite.

Post# 299337 , Reply# 44   9/22/2014 at 12:42 (3,503 days old) by bnsd60m9200 (Akron OH)        
Fred

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and to answer your question about hepa bags. NO. no from sears or any after market, i use vintage bags and increase the filtering by getting rid of the crappy foam filters for the pre and post motor filters and replace them with merv 10 a/c filter from home depot. ill throw up a thread about how i did that on my 1979 2997 sears best tonite.

Post# 299340 , Reply# 45   9/22/2014 at 13:04 (3,503 days old) by marks_here (_._)        

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Are those a/c filters the ones with the waves & wires on them Will?

Post# 299344 , Reply# 46   9/22/2014 at 13:33 (3,503 days old) by jrkiszla (Vallejo, CA)        

Great find! I love the wood grain -it matches my '70s Lincoln Continental!

In your photo I noticed that you were vacuuming with a Convertible -I am looking for a headlight lens for a Hoover convertible 1070, should you come across one!

All the Best,

John


Post# 299364 , Reply# 47   9/22/2014 at 15:12 (3,503 days old) by eurekastar (Amarillo, Texas)        

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Those are some nice finds and great looking vacuums!  Congratulations!


Post# 337883 , Reply# 48   11/21/2015 at 21:34 (3,078 days old) by vacuumlad1650 (Wauponsee, IL)        

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Being as they dont make Hepa bags for these, maybe i need to take t off your hands! :)
Andy Rousonelos
imdafarmer5088@gmail.com


Post# 337913 , Reply# 49   11/22/2015 at 08:57 (3,077 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
Actually.....

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There IS a way to use Hepa bags in these. I've been using Kenmore U bags in my Magicord for a couple years now. When you have so many machines, you have to find substitutes for bags whenever you can. Almost any vintage vacuum that uses regular disposable bags with a collar can have a substitute.


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