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Silver King, the most undeservingly maligned vacuum amongst collectors.
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Post# 280049   5/10/2014 at 16:24 (1,956 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I know most collectors who know of or have heard of Silver Kings have said things like they clog up immediately or they're just so outdated and clunky, but I love the damn things, I think they're great vacuums.

I love how light they are for an all metal vacuum, and on the wheels they used it pulls around easily. It is a noisy vacuum though, with a 2 can bypass cooled lamb motor in an all metal housing, it does have a lot of rushing air noise, it's not loud, just a large quantity of noise. And I can fill the whole can with dirt before I lose much power at all. The newer filters, best described as a HEPA bag made into a flat round filter disk, filters very well and they shed the dirt back off into the can better than the old paper filters, and they also don't clog easily.

The Douglas PN is OK, nothing special in the quality department, but it meets the requirements needed to clean well, it has a good chevron brush and the bristles do groom the rug well. But it is a $40 PN on a $1800 (back when this was new) vacuum...

I'm watching my aunt and uncles dogs while they're gone, so I brought my black Silver King to their house. I vacuumed the whole house very thoroughly 2 timed and packed the can full as you can see, and I didn't lose any power at all. They have a Dyson DC17.





Post# 280050 , Reply# 1   5/10/2014 at 16:24 (1,956 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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And the vac itself...

Post# 280058 , Reply# 2   5/10/2014 at 17:40 (1,956 days old) by cam2s (Nebraska)        
I love my Silver King!

It's not perfect by any means, you are right the filters can clog quicky and the Douglas pn is nothing to get excited about, but that doesn't stop it from being a beast. I'm always horrified at what it can pull out of my carpet. Of course, it's always nice to use a machine that has a solid quality feel to it.

Post# 280059 , Reply# 3   5/10/2014 at 17:49 (1,956 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

Wow that thing is full. I can only imagine how many times the water would have stopped moving in one of the water trap vacuums. I have done it a couple of times.

I hope the Dyson supporters see this.

One could have undoubtly filled a bag or two on the Kirby.


Post# 280093 , Reply# 4   5/11/2014 at 00:03 (1,956 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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It did great! I quit bringing my rainbow over here because it was such a pain to use, I had to stop all the time and changing the water. I like taking the silver king because it holds a ton of dirt and the filters are excellent filtering as well as cheap and easy to get.

Post# 280108 , Reply# 5   5/11/2014 at 08:14 (1,956 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I like that machine. especially the blue one. I dont think they were sold here in Sa but back in the 80's this style of machine was very popular with people with large homes I remember seeing them when i was younger just cant remember the names of them.


Post# 280109 , Reply# 6   5/11/2014 at 08:23 (1,956 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
The new filters

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Are pretty good, i've got the newest model (to my knowledge) the blue max air 2000. It came with a pump style hose and a wessel werks nozzle. The only real complaint i have about the thing is the noise level, other than that it's a well built vacuum that performs very well.

I'm honestly horrified that you managed to dig all that out with that douglas power head.


Post# 280160 , Reply# 7   5/11/2014 at 16:07 (1,955 days old) by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
I Think..

The newer filters make a big difference! The old ones plugged up so bad you could hear the motor change pitch with every stroke..I LOVE my Silver Kings..But I use a Kenmore bag in the short Pan and a Fairfax bag in the big one with a paper filter on top.

Post# 280163 , Reply# 8   5/11/2014 at 16:21 (1,955 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

It is incredable what a good quality and well maintained vacuum can recover from carpeting.

I for one wouldn't own a bagless upright vacuum on a bet. The only acceptable portable bagless vacuum would be a water trap vacuum. And those are a pain to set up and clean up.

We have a couple of the bagless Hoover Windtunnels at work. I am for ever cleaning the filters on those things. Not worth the money or the time spent on it.


Post# 280166 , Reply# 9   5/11/2014 at 16:49 (1,955 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

Wow that's a shocking sight. LOL

It looks somewhat similar to a Filter Queen. I guess it might be a play on words... Filter QUEEN... Silver KING...


Post# 280177 , Reply# 10   5/11/2014 at 18:05 (1,955 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
silver queen, filter king,

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Don't forget silver knight! I believe user Kenkart has one!


Post# 280180 , Reply# 11   5/11/2014 at 18:09 (1,955 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.)        

By the way, does anyone know who makes Douglas nozzles? Never heard of them before.

Post# 280233 , Reply# 12   5/12/2014 at 11:07 (1,955 days old) by jade_angel (Newport News, VA)        

Those nozzles were made by the Douglas company, as I recall, and used with a whole bunch of vacuums. I've personally seen them with Sani-Clean and Silver King, but I think they shipped with others too.

In my experience they perform alright if paired with good airflow, though probably not as well as a Wessel Werk EBK360 or the current Tacony power nozzles.


Post# 280253 , Reply# 13   5/12/2014 at 14:43 (1,954 days old) by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Actually...

They clean quite well, My Metropolitan tank has one.Douglas is whats left of the old Kingston company.

Post# 280259 , Reply# 14   5/12/2014 at 15:34 (1,954 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
Silver Knight

By coincidence my red and chrome Silver Knight will be on EBay this week.Should have some nice Silver King attachments in original gray caddy next week.

Post# 280342 , Reply# 15   5/13/2014 at 12:26 (1,954 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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I emptied the bin and the next two vacuumings got much less hair, but tons of sand and grit. I then shampooed, sadly al I had to use there was their Hoover Dual V steamvac with a motor that sounded like the bearings were totally dry and I swear it smelled like it was burning out, but I did manage to make the carpet look a bit better. Would have been better if I felt like bringing over my Rinse'N'Vac, that would have had the carpet looking like new! I could rant on for hours about how useless I think the "residential grade" shampooers are, no water pressure and pitiful suction, but anyway... After shampooing I dumped the Silver King again and with a fresh filter I vacuumed over the shampooed areas after they dried and kept getting sand, I vacuumed every few hours, making a total of 6-7 thorough vacuumings and got so much sand, almost a whole cup of sand in that damn Silver King! The Douglas PN isn't anything special, but it does have good enough performance.

Post# 280377 , Reply# 16   5/13/2014 at 16:53 (1,953 days old) by dysonman1 (Missouri Ozarks)        

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Hope you check out the Dyson while you're there. The DC17 is an awesome vacuum when properly working. Is the brush bristles worn? Is the filter (both pre and post motor) clean? The DC17 should have removed all the sand as well as the fluff. You know how aggressive the DC17's brush is, but that machine is an old vacuum now and probably needs brushes and filters.

Post# 280378 , Reply# 17   5/13/2014 at 17:11 (1,953 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center)        
he's using the Silver King,

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In the house of a DYSON!? That explains all the crap you're pulling out of the carpets!Tongue out


Post# 280439 , Reply# 18   5/14/2014 at 03:17 (1,953 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Silver King vs Dyson-The Silver King is the winner!!!!Always wanted one--but wince at the 4K prices!!!It is a commercial type machine.Have heard of them used commercially.The Silver King has to be the ultimate "bagless" cleaner!

Post# 280465 , Reply# 19   5/14/2014 at 10:24 (1,953 days old) by ralph123 (Little Rock, AR)        

"I'm watching my aunt and uncles dogs while they're gone, so I brought my black Silver King to their house. I vacuumed the whole house very thoroughly 2 timed and packed the can full as you can see, and I didn't lose any power at all. They have a Dyson DC17."

It's very nice of you to help out your relatives by vacuuming their home thoroughly. If your aunt and uncle have many dogs and don't vacuum often, it's not surprising that there would be a lot of dirt and dog hair in their rugs. If they have a lot of shedding dogs, it's not surprising that they have a lot of hair in their rugs. Many people hate to vacuum, so they don't do a thorough job.

If you want to accurately compare the cleaning performance of the Dyson versus the Silver King, you've got to design a fair test. The Dyson can only clean if it's turned on. If you want to compare two vacuums fairly, each has to have the same opportunity to prove itself.

It appears that you are a lot more thorough in vacuuming than your Aunt and Uncle. Enjoy your Silver King.


Post# 280499 , Reply# 20   5/14/2014 at 14:38 (1,952 days old) by ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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They vacuum several times a week, usually ever 2-3 days. The Dyson's shortcoming isn't in the brushroll department, for some rugs it's brushroll is actually too much. The issue is that is has relatively low airflow, you really need to be moving some air to get the deep down dirt out. The SK simply moved more air than the Dyson. Dyson's have very strong suction but don't always move a high volume of air. The DC23 is one that I know does move a ton of air. I also think the DC07 moves more air. The most powerful upright Dyson's I've seen have all been 07s with the original plastic fan YDK motors, which is what my DC07 has in it too. The 17 uses the same rather wimpy motor as many of the Kenmore canisters made at the same time, I've used the Dyson motors in those Kenmores, so I know it's the same, and I feel it doesn't give great airflow in the Kenmore or Panasonic canisters either. To be hones the only Dyson that ever impressed me with it's cleaning ability is the DC23 motorhead.

Post# 355236 , Reply# 21   7/3/2016 at 02:45 (1,172 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I now have a SilverKing Blu Max Air 2000-very powerful beast of a vacuum-almost as much power as my central vacuums.bought the machine from another member here-mine doesn't have the powernozzle.Would love to try it with the Volt powernozzle when they become available.Don't mind the sound of this vacuum-sounds much like one of my central machines.Good,high quality machine.Too bad they went under.Was online adn did read some complaints gainst the company-much like any other DTD vacuum company.I am looking for sources of the filters-or make them from filtrte vacuum bags.The filters I have with mine are a thick Filtrete type material-about the same as the thick material the bags for one of my NuTone central units are made from.Also hoses from older TriStars will fit this vacuum.So you have hose options.

Post# 355257 , Reply# 22   7/3/2016 at 09:20 (1,172 days old) by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
I have a mint green Silver King AE.

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It's a decent vacuum. The suction on it is great. I found that my plastic Compact hose fits it, so I can use tools with it. I made a new filter out of a HEPA bag to sit OVER the paper filter. It filters much better now and has better airflow and suction. I'm thinking of getting the Volt at some point too, just not soon.




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