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Thread Number: 24405
The Royal Metal Upright by Benjamin Edge & Jeff Schroff |
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| Post# 273149 3/23/2014 at 15:49 (4,053 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
Well Ben and Jeff, I couldn't wait any longer for you to write your book, so I compiled your posts from the last few years into a PDF about the Royal Metal Upright. I'm going to call this a draft, and keep adding to it. I'll leave the file name the same.
If you, Alex Taber, or anyone else has an issue with this compilation, or the links in it, just shout out, or delete this entire post. Also, please make any suggestions for additions or changes, and I'll do my best to get it done. Thanks a million for all the work you've done, and especially to Mr. Taber for creating and maintaining this excellent site. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK 
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Post# 273169 , Reply# 1 3/23/2014 at 18:22 (4,053 days old) by KirbyClassicIII  (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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Post# 273170 , Reply# 2 3/23/2014 at 18:23 (4,053 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 273212 , Reply# 3 3/23/2014 at 23:59 (4,053 days old) by hygiene903 (Galion, OH) | ||
Hi John, | ||
| Post# 273250 , Reply# 4 3/24/2014 at 10:37 (4,052 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
Royal's first vacuum cleaner was made in 1910. This is the model 1. Royal built the Health-Mor upright, then the first two Filter Queen model (200 and 350). They also built Modern Hygiene vacuums.
Also, Alex Taber founded the VCCC, and is considered one of the premier historians of vintage vacuums, but Vacuumland is not Alex's site. It actually belongs to the Webmasters, Robert and Fred. 
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| Post# 273258 , Reply# 5 3/24/2014 at 11:31 (4,052 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Off To A Flying Start! | ||
| Post# 273272 , Reply# 6 3/24/2014 at 13:44 (4,052 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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Vacuumland was started by the VCCC, years ago, using funds from the annual dues. About a year ago, the VCCC's Board of Directors gave up control of Vacuumland to Robert (who started Automatic Washer . org). Vacuumland belongs to Robert and his partner Fred S. who are the webmasters. It now has nothing to do with the VCCC, which is a club for dues paying members to gather at an annual gathering. The VCCC is not the only vacuum collectors club, but one of several. Many folks on Vacuumland do not belong to any "club" at all.
If you need information on the first 20 years of Royal history, the Vacuum Cleaner Museum in St. James, MO has all the information you might need. | ||
| Post# 273292 , Reply# 8 3/24/2014 at 17:44 (4,052 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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"...thanks to Tom Gasko..."
And, now I know Dysonman1 is is Tom Gasko. Gawd, I feel like a weenie!
I would so love to visit your museum, but I can't imagine the next time I'll be anywhere near Missouri. If I were to show up, it would be with camera, and I'd shoot a thousand pics! Not sure you could really help, or would want to help with the questions I had when I found Vacuumland. I simply had a well worn Model 1030Z, that needed parts and some TLC. I didn't search long before I found what I needed to know, mostly from Ben. I'm just a user, not a collector, but anything I can learn about the metal upright will help in the long run. That will be my vacuum of choice forever. Which model I finally settle on is still to be determined. I am so fond of the 131, I know it won't be replaced, but I may add a partner. That would make me a collector, eh? Anyway, while searching for parts and information, I stumbled on post after post by Ben, that so much work had gone into, and frequently no replies at all. At this point, if the archives disappear, I'll still have those posts. That reminds me of a chapter I need to add. "The Best Royal Metal Upright to Have." That's probably a question you could have easily answered, if I had known to ask you. As it is, Ben has fielded that question a few times, and I will add his replies. Might even throw in my own two cents, since I've had my hands on a few at this point. And, that brings me to a question I had for Ben. What did you mean by, "...any further revisions as to the models sold would be appreciated here." These things are coming in the door two at a time now! 
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Post# 273299 , Reply# 9 3/24/2014 at 18:41 (4,052 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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I hope they'll forgive me!
Hi John, welcome to Vacuumland, I'm Robert Seger and no worries what so ever, there really isn't a way you would have known that unless you were around here last April when the transition happened. Thank you Tom for filling him in. Yes the VCCC is a completely separate club from Vacuumland. I had heard through the grapevine that Louis Rescigno and Chad Cunningham from the VCCC were working on a separate website specifically for the VCCC, but I don't have the details, maybe they can fill us in at some point. Great Royal .pdf by the way! | ||
| Post# 273320 , Reply# 10 3/24/2014 at 20:31 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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Here are some Royal ads I found on eBay that add to your Royal survey: From 1941: 
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| Post# 273321 , Reply# 11 3/24/2014 at 20:33 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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From 1972: 
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| Post# 273323 , Reply# 12 3/24/2014 at 20:35 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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From 1924: 
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| Post# 273324 , Reply# 13 3/24/2014 at 20:36 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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Another from 1924: 
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| Post# 273330 , Reply# 14 3/24/2014 at 21:02 (4,052 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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What A Day!
Started this cold, dreary Monday with news that I might have dissed the owners of this site, got overwhelmed at work, spent 20 minutes in line at the post office for a damage claim, lost an Ebay auction for vintage parts I could have used...
Then the tide turned. Took delivery of two Royal Metal Uprights in really good condition, met Tom Gasko and Robert. Got some great ideas for the book and some cool ads to top it off. They are a hoot! Been cleaning up one of those vacuums and I'm whipped, so I won't be able to edit the book tonight. I'm thinking of sending the Word document straight to Ben & Jeff to play with. I've only got Adobe Acrobat Pro for another 28 days, and then the trial ends, so I hope to have it final by then. Great to meet you Robert, and thanks! | ||
| Post# 273334 , Reply# 15 3/24/2014 at 21:27 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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From 1937 (with June Lang who was recently featured in "Ali Baba Goes to Town"): 
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| Post# 273339 , Reply# 16 3/24/2014 at 21:45 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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From 1920 "The Trail of Play-Bound Feet": 
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| Post# 273341 , Reply# 17 3/24/2014 at 21:46 (4,052 days old) by kevin (Livonia) | ||
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From 1926 "The Easiest Cleaning Imaginable" 
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| Post# 273437 , Reply# 19 3/25/2014 at 18:58 (4,051 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
Thanks for the effort all, | ||
| Post# 273458 , Reply# 20 3/25/2014 at 20:36 (4,051 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Whipped Again
Stayed up too late last night, and struggled to be productive all day. Got home and blew through the polishing and assembly of the 880. It's pretty as can be, but I'm doubly spent now.
Word does save as PDF, but only text hyperlinks function, not image links. Found out that's an old bug, that's still not fixed. Just installed PDFCreator, and neither the text or image hyperlinks work, nor do the bookmark links. Maybe PDF Architect will work better, but I need a key to allow it to open the Word document. Needless to say, I'm going to hit the sack without doing any more editing tonight. Thanks for the effort! 
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Post# 273746 , Reply# 22 3/27/2014 at 21:53 (4,049 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 273778 , Reply# 23 3/28/2014 at 05:57 (4,048 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Might As Well Keep It
You've got money wrapped up in that unit now. If you replaced the roller brush, that's $25.00 and probably that much again for the balance of parts. If it had a light blue bag, it should have had a light blue belt cover.
The newer bag should fit without modification. Lubricate the rubber gasket in the neck, and see if it doesn't slip on. Don't file the pins! Probably should have kept the old bag, and just patched it. Those are REALLY porous compared to the orange bags. Helps air flow with the six blade fan and smaller motor. The disposable bag is doing the dirt collecting, and can be purchased in HEPA versions if that would help your dad. Anyway, you wouldn't get much for it now without the original bag, so might as well make use of it, especially with the money already invested. | ||
| Post# 273844 , Reply# 25 3/28/2014 at 16:28 (4,048 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN) | ||
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June Lang was not the only- -celebrity to have a Royal in their home.A book showing various Elvis items included an invoice from a Memphis carpet store for carpeting AND a Royal vacuum for Graceland in about the early 70s. | ||
| Post# 273903 , Reply# 26 3/28/2014 at 20:24 (4,048 days old) by ilovevacs () | ||
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does anyone have a Royal model 2075 If anyone has a royal vacuum model 2075 please email me at ethanlawnmower@gmail.com or look at my profile heres is a picture of the royal not mine again if have one please email me 
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| Post# 275252 , Reply# 27 4/8/2014 at 21:14 (4,037 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Ten Days Left To Edit
Updated the pdf a bit, but there's a lot more that can be done. For one, I'm trying to find some decent parts diagrams for the vintage machines from the 90's and older. The ones available at ereplacementparts.com are illegible. I've added a gorgeous one for the Model 4008, but have none older than that.
Only ten days before my copy of Acrobat XI Pro expires, and I can't afford to buy it. Any suggestions for additions or edits? Speak now, or forever hold your peace... for a long while anyway. CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK | ||
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Post# 275259 , Reply# 28 4/8/2014 at 21:37 (4,037 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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John,
Good luck on finding those old Royal master service books. You might be able to contact a few Royal dealers near you and check with them to see if they have any obsolete service books for you. One notable edit: the trio of vacuums with the removable nozzle (models 888, 980 and 990) were all produced through early 1987, because there actually were a few out there that had the angular fan case that was used on all Royal metal uprights starting in April 1985. Those last-gen units all had 5.4 amp motors. ~Ben | ||
| Post# 275272 , Reply# 29 4/9/2014 at 04:55 (4,036 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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Holy Encyclopedia, Batman!
Gawd Ben, do you know as much about Kirbys? I can't imagine where you would find time to learn, with all you know about the Royal!
This pdf is just an outline of what you could put to paper. I wish I could tell you, you'd have a marketable commodity if you wrote that book, but I know the market would be fairly small. I for one would buy it, though! I just remembered the information I wanted to add. That is, "The Best Model To Have". I've got about ten days to search for those diagrams, and add that best model chapter. Better get to it... CLICK HERE TO GO TO ornery's LINK | ||
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Post# 275297 , Reply# 30 4/9/2014 at 11:25 (4,036 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon) |
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| Post# 275386 , Reply# 32 4/9/2014 at 20:03 (4,036 days old) by ornery (Northeast Ohio) | ||
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No Book For Me
Thanks Michael, but it seems any solution other than the genuine Adobe application is able to keep the text and image hyper-links intact.
That's OK. Within the next week I'm going to polish it up a bit and leave it. It's hardly a book. It's just a compilation of Ben & Jeff's contributions to Vacuumland. The true, unwritten book about the Royal Metal Upright is in Ben's head. That tome would be the last word on the subject. I doubt there is a Royal employee on the planet that knows as much about it. And, what little Ben doesn't know about the history, Jeff could easily fill in. | ||
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