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Thread Number: 22388
Bissell Opticlean Rippoff of a Electrolux Ultraone ? |
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| Post# 250817 9/21/2013 at 12:47 (3,870 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
I was browsing the Bissell site and came across the opticlean,
I can't help but notice that it looks very very similar to the AEG/Electrolux Ultraone CLICK HERE TO GO TO gsheen's LINK | ||
| Post# 250819 , Reply# 1 9/21/2013 at 12:51 (3,870 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 250853 , Reply# 2 9/21/2013 at 20:44 (3,869 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota) | ||
Could it be? | ||
| Post# 250866 , Reply# 3 9/22/2013 at 02:21 (3,869 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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@ blackheart.
I think its more Samsung using bissel to get there cheap vacuums, WE used to get alot of Samsung vacuums ( upright ones ) hee in SA until Bissell came here and Samsung had to change there models. If you open up the Samsung models they sti say bissell on the belts , brush rolls, motor's and most of the body work. | ||
| Post# 250893 , Reply# 4 9/22/2013 at 07:22 (3,869 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
Gareth....in North America, before Bissell really began expanding their vacuum line, many Bissel cleaners were made for them by Samsung. The most obvious case is the Bissel Digipro power nozzle canister. So indeed, the two companies must have some joint venture contract on file.
That being said, I have not looked at the Samsung website to see if the Opticlean is there.....:-) | ||
| Post# 250894 , Reply# 5 9/22/2013 at 07:33 (3,869 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Hi Brian
It was mostly the powerforce range we got banged as Samsung, Considering that the USA has always been mainly an upright market I wonder if Samsung uprights were made by Bissell and Bissell canisters were made by Samsung. I will post some pics tomorrow of our Samsung Bissell vacuum, we have allot in the workshop at my shop. | ||
| Post# 250900 , Reply# 6 9/22/2013 at 08:36 (3,869 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Wow, that design is quite similar to Electrolux...
To my mind, Bissell haven't made any of their own dry dirt vacuums since the Featherlight days...In the UK the Powerforce uprights were little more than Samsung vacuums, so Brian is quite right there concerning the Bissell and Samsung brand. Even now, Samsung's current Propel uprights are very similar to the Powerforce uprights with similar hoods and similar controls. 
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| Post# 250902 , Reply# 7 9/22/2013 at 08:46 (3,869 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 250903 , Reply# 8 9/22/2013 at 09:00 (3,869 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Check an archived thread from 2011 on here: www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...
Seems like Samsung made quite a few Bissell uprights. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 250905 , Reply# 9 9/22/2013 at 09:18 (3,869 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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There definitely is some ongoing coproduction going on with Bissell and Samsung. Perhaps some uprights are more Samsung and made in Korea, while others are more Bissell and made in USA or Mexico or China. Chicken or egg thing.....:-)
One thing we can be sure of: most Bissell canisters are all Samsungs made in Asia. (Interesting international discussion going on here! South Africa, Scotland, Canada! Thank you Vacuumland Webmasters!) | ||
| Post# 250917 , Reply# 10 9/22/2013 at 11:24 (3,869 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 250918 , Reply# 11 9/22/2013 at 11:31 (3,869 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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All I know is that Bissell's presence in the UK didn't make vacuums until the late 1980s. Previously all they had were mechanical sweepers, a couple of spray foam canisters, those carpet spinafoamer things and eventually that lightweight corded stick vac. The U.S probably had more vacuums from Bissell than the UK ever did, though.
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| Post# 250919 , Reply# 12 9/22/2013 at 11:36 (3,869 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 250922 , Reply# 13 9/22/2013 at 12:09 (3,869 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 250979 , Reply# 14 9/22/2013 at 16:11 (3,869 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
The Bissell Opticlean canister IS similar to the Electrolux in looks only. Went to Lowes today, and tried out their Opticlean canister (I own an Ultra One Lux) and found NO comparison. Lux made in Hungary, Bissell made by King Clean in China. The Bissell is very cheap plastic.
All the current US Bissell vacuums (not shampooers) are made in China. | ||
| Post# 251004 , Reply# 15 9/22/2013 at 21:49 (3,868 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Tom is right on this one....it IS indeed produced by Kingclean in China. Look very closely at the floor nozzle in reply 6....you'll see where the label would go if it was a Riccar or Simplicity floor nozzle. Plus, Samsung has never really produced a vacuum with a H12 "True HEPA" filter....most of theirs are very cheap, cardboard-like filters with no rubber or foam seal around it, & are H10 standard....the lowest grade of filter allowed to be called HEPA.
If memory serves correct, Walmart here in Canada is selling these for $150 CDN dollars....so that would explain the cheap build quality compared to the Lux & AEG versions. This, plus the overpriced, small puny HEPA cloth bags make this a bad buy in my books. Wait a couple of years till one shows up dead at the side of the road or in a thrift shop, if you must have one. Rob | ||
| Post# 251021 , Reply# 16 9/22/2013 at 22:48 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Thanks Tom
Figured you would know. I have a feeling that the samsung badge'd bissells are made in China aswell and just packaged in Korea. It figures that the opticlean is a King clean product, Thay manufacture a few Eureka/Electrolux products but I was also amazed at howmany copies of EU made AEG/Electrolux vacuums they made and wondered why Electrolux ab lets them get away with it. There is also a copy of the AEG Electrolux silencer vacuum that they make It looks similar but not exactly the same. If you go onto their website they have a picture of it on their homepage. | ||
| Post# 251022 , Reply# 17 9/22/2013 at 23:11 (3,868 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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For those curious about the notorious King Clean company, here's their website:
CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 251023 , Reply# 18 9/22/2013 at 23:19 (3,868 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 251029 , Reply# 19 9/23/2013 at 02:37 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251041 , Reply# 20 9/23/2013 at 06:32 (3,868 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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| Post# 251044 , Reply# 21 9/23/2013 at 06:44 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251048 , Reply# 22 9/23/2013 at 07:48 (3,868 days old) by dysonman1 (the county) | ||
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The Electrolux T8 canister is a King Clean product. It appears Electrolux has some China built canisters and some Hungary built canisters. It's telling that all their high end models are made in Hungary - could it be better quality comes from Hungary or perhaps the Hungarians have MUCH better "quality control" (something the Chinese lack in droves).
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| Post# 251052 , Reply# 23 9/23/2013 at 08:52 (3,868 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I think that you have to imagine the context and environment in which the Electrolux plant in Hungary operates. This plant must be producing lots of the Elux vacs for Europe and North America. Geographically, they are sitting not too far from some of the highest quality canister vacs in Europe, primarily Germany's Miele, Sebo, Bosch, Siemens and Vorwerk. In that environment, Electrolux needs to keep the quality high to survive. It's possible that the business world in which King Clean is swimming is filled with the Walmart level plastic vacs of Japan, Korea and China..
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| Post# 251072 , Reply# 24 9/23/2013 at 13:17 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Yes Tom is right, Electrolux top of the range canisters are made in Hungry, were as lower models are made in China, some by King clean some by other manufacturers, Like best clean and a few others.
If I am not mistaken my Nimble is made in China. I may take some grilling for this but I personally think that the Electrolux Ultraone is far better made than the Miele S5 and S7.Its plastic is less flexing, It has nice to the touch expensive feeling rubber inserts the hose is of far better quality and so is the floor tool. I certainly see far less in our shop for repair compared with the Miele and Eve Bocsh models. I was very disappointing with the new Vorwerk VK140 It was as well put together as a mid range Eureka upright.It was one of the biggest reasons we dropped the brand. | ||
| Post# 251077 , Reply# 25 9/23/2013 at 13:54 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251084 , Reply# 26 9/23/2013 at 15:08 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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Samsung Bissell's
Here are too of our samsung bissell's , open the up and they say is bissell everywhere. These were part of the trade in pile in my workshop so excuse they have been standing around. The biggest problem with them is the handle release pedal breaks, The red ones the pre filter was simply a piece of think foam so the motors did not last long on them either. 
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| Post# 251085 , Reply# 27 9/23/2013 at 15:09 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251087 , Reply# 28 9/23/2013 at 15:11 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251088 , Reply# 29 9/23/2013 at 15:14 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251091 , Reply# 30 9/23/2013 at 15:16 (3,868 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa) | ||
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| Post# 251111 , Reply# 31 9/23/2013 at 18:12 (3,867 days old) by tylerawells (-) | ||
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Well, we also cannot forget that the Chinese have a very cavalier attitude on copyright law | ||
| Post# 251155 , Reply# 32 9/24/2013 at 08:19 (3,867 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I don't want to cause any trouble but America seems to have quite an attitude of Chinese made products. I've noticed this on other forums I'm on which have nowt to do with household appliances. I do agree that whilst the country themselves do themselves no favours with their past communist laws and general life, there is more good to China than people actually realise. However no country is perfect where anything is made these days...in my opinion.
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| Post# 258962 , Reply# 33 12/8/2013 at 15:16 (3,792 days old) by director12 () | ||
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I'm guessing Bissell needs to make their own products and stop outsourcing other companies. | ||
| Post# 258989 , Reply# 34 12/8/2013 at 16:29 (3,792 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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If it is cheaper to outsource with other brands, then there's no point unless the said brand actually have a more involved design process. You'd never find Miele for example giving over their design to other brands. Bissell aren't exactly the first name in dry cleaning floor care. They propose that they were the first to make carpet sweepers but they're not upright vacs. In my mind Bissell is more known for its shampooer and wash vacuums, let alone the Chinese brand upright washers.
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