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| Post# 235800 , Reply# 1 6/9/2013 at 06:57 (3,974 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Ignorance is bliss until it starts to go wrong.
When I had my mach Air I continually had to suck up pet hair, bird seed etc and lots of other messes to the point that the dust when past the rubber line at the top and stuff started to leak out the back of it by the square partition at the top. I realised that whilst the Vax is capable of more dust containment than its capacity suggests, the rubber seal isn't as tough as I thought it was and eventually started to pull away from the body of the plastic shroud due to the compacted dirt. The main round filter got the brunt of loose dirt and the whole thing had to be taken apart and de-clogged and refitted. Lesson learnt there!
Owners can build pretty high expectations from their machines either due to the brand's claim or just their own experience. Good or bad though, a lack of maintenance and proper emptying will ultimately ruin the vacuum. Your Mach Air's bin may well be able to contain a lot more than its 1.5 litre capacity suggests, but you're putting strain on the motor even if you don't think the suction is weakening, plus in my experience, the plastic and rubber quality that Vax add to the Mach Air in general is cheap. You only need to brush your finger lightly on the rubber concertina partition that opens too easily on the machine between the body and the square part of the plastic bin at the top before the main filter. | ||
| Post# 235819 , Reply# 2 6/9/2013 at 11:52 (3,974 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Well dyson seem to do this well. You can overflow the bin and it will still pick up great. I will make a video soon | ||
| Post# 235909 , Reply# 3 6/9/2013 at 18:03 (3,974 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 235915 , Reply# 4 6/9/2013 at 20:03 (3,974 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 235924 , Reply# 5 6/10/2013 at 00:11 (3,973 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
When using bagless cleaners I never overfill them. Once the dust passes the maximum fill level it often gets stuck around the shroud, and is a mess to clean out. As a general rule I just empty it when the fill line has been reached, or more often if I've just picked up something that I want rid of straight away.
In doing this, I've never noticed a drop in suction with dual- or multi-cyclonic cleaners. I'm sure there will be some suction loss as the filters become soiled over time, which could probably be measured if one had the appropriate equipment. But the same would apply to a bagged machine with dirty filters too. Perhaps manufacturers would reduce confusion on this point if they stated their bagless cleaners do not lose suction *between each emptying*. That's how I've always taken it. Just the other day I dry cleaned my carpets, scrubbing the compound in with a rotary machine and using my DC07 to pick it all up again. That's pretty much all I use the Dyson for these days, and it copes with the job very well. Checked the filter after emptying and there was only the faintest smidge of dry clean compound on top of the blue sponge layer, with the underside still remaining totally clean. Considering the powder has a similar texture to flour, and I'd just picked up an entire bin full, I really don't think that's bad at all. | ||
| Post# 235931 , Reply# 6 6/10/2013 at 03:22 (3,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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The thing is, with all respects - you dont have to go through all that nonsense with a bagged vacuum. There's no desire for owners (or shouldn't be anyway) to constantly check the filters, constantly ensure the bin is at a low level or for some rely on the fact too much that the vacuum in question can be packed up with dirt before it is emptied.
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| Post# 235981 , Reply# 9 6/10/2013 at 12:52 (3,973 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 235990 , Reply# 10 6/10/2013 at 13:19 (3,973 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe) | ||
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| Post# 235992 , Reply# 11 6/10/2013 at 13:20 (3,973 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 236001 , Reply# 12 6/10/2013 at 13:35 (3,973 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe) | ||
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DC18 | ||
| Post# 236002 , Reply# 13 6/10/2013 at 13:41 (3,973 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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Here is a video I made CLICK HERE TO GO TO dysondestijl's LINK | ||
| Post# 236018 , Reply# 15 6/10/2013 at 14:38 (3,973 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 236022 , Reply# 16 6/10/2013 at 15:01 (3,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Post# 236024 , Reply# 17 6/10/2013 at 15:16 (3,973 days old) by jfalberti  (Visalia, CA) |
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My DC 15 Animal | ||
| Post# 236087 , Reply# 18 6/10/2013 at 23:56 (3,972 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
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It does depend on which Dyson model, as some had better separation than others. I know some early DC07s were notorious for letting all sorts of crap through to the prefilter, and have seen some that even had sand and hair on them. Mine has the "type 2" (rerooted) cyclone, and the filters do stay clean for a long time.
Having checked mine out of idle curiosity after my recent dry clean job, I decided they were not dirty enough to require a wash, and popped them back into the machine to wait for another time. Considering what it had just picked up, that's as close to hassle free as it gets in my book. Could have used my bagged vac instead, but that would have meant throwing away a new bag as soon as the job was done. Just seems a little wasteful seeing as they normally last about two months LOL. It's all about picking the best tool for each job I guess. Remember how the DC02 was often a dusty mess inside when you opened the top cover? I think it's because the inner cyclone was rather short and stubby compared to its upright cousins. The DC05 was better, but even that would occasionally let the odd hair through to the prefilter. The DC24 cyclone assembly was tiny also, and I was really surprised at how much hair and fluff it let through. The filter on mine because visibly dirty after just a week or so, so it was no wonder the recommended filter wash interval was once per month. I would definitely agree it felt like a backward step. | ||
| Post# 236112 , Reply# 19 6/11/2013 at 06:38 (3,972 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 236113 , Reply# 20 6/11/2013 at 06:53 (3,972 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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All this talk of filter cleaning strongly reminds me of a coffee filter machine - of those who do own them - do you use the recently introduced permanent mesh filter to contain the coffee powder - or still use unbleached paper filters to contain the coffee grounds within the filter mesh basket?
No prizes for guessing what I do - I prefer the paper filter - just like buying bags for my vacuums - I don't mind buying paper filters for my coffee machine when it minimises clean up as opposed to having to gently scrub a plastic mesh filter where the mesh will eventually start to wear down after so much coffee has been used as well as creating more mess dumping the used damp coffee grounds from the mesh filter in the first place. With a paper filter you simply lift and chuck out! | ||
| Post# 236118 , Reply# 21 6/11/2013 at 08:45 (3,972 days old) by myles_v (Fredericksburg, VA) | ||
Dyson, Hoover, central vacuum compared to my bagged cleaners
My mom once filled my Hoover T Series to the very top of the container. It had almost zero airflow at the hose. However, I have filled my Dyson to the brim before and it kept its suction. My central vacuum has a "self cleaning" filter, the kind that inverts when the machine turns on and drops down when it turns off. It looses suction power somewhat quickly compared to cyclonic vacuums, especially after dry cleaning the carpet.
On the other hand, my Oreck never seems to lose cleaning power (it doesn't have a hose, of course, so I can't really tell if it loses suction) and my Eureka Surface Max canister vacuum only loses suction when the dirt covers the hole of the bag (it does, of course, lose some suction before that but the majority of the suction is lost when the bag is full). I recently decided that I prefer bagged vacuums, with the exception of my central vacuum and my Dyson. My central vacuum only has to be emptied occasionally, and it keeps most of its suction for a while. My Dyson doesn't loose suction until the dirt starts covering the shroud. | ||
| Post# 236135 , Reply# 22 6/11/2013 at 11:23 (3,972 days old) by suckolux (Yuba City, CA) | ||
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| Post# 236165 , Reply# 23 6/11/2013 at 17:48 (3,972 days old) by spiraclean (UK) | ||
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Oh yes, bagged all the way for a daily driver. But a bagless does come in handy for the occasional task that would otherwise use up a new bag at a rate of knots. It's rather like having a wet vac... I don't particularly like them for day to day use, but they're handy to have around for specific jobs.
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| Post# 236197 , Reply# 24 6/12/2013 at 09:23 (3,971 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Yep, I agree - but now that my Vax Mach Air is gone, I only use a mains power stick vac for bagless pick up or my corded Black and Decker for the awkward tasks. Looking at that though, there's still a market for dust busters and the odd carpet sweeper, cordless or otherwise.
This post was last edited 06/12/2013 at 09:49 | ||
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