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| Post# 221583 3/2/2013 at 23:54 (4,072 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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I will be getting a phantom tomaro. So excited. My first phantom. Got it for only 25 bucks. | ||
| Post# 221634 , Reply# 1 3/3/2013 at 10:30 (4,072 days old) by HooverCelebrity (Germany) | ||
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Moved to contemporary forum. Keep an eye on your dates, please. | ||
| Post# 221637 , Reply# 2 3/3/2013 at 10:40 (4,072 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Sorry about that. I thought it was from 95 but I know absolutely nothing about these | ||
| Post# 221790 , Reply# 3 3/4/2013 at 16:20 (4,070 days old) by FantomVacuumFan (St.Petersburg, Florida) | ||
2 things
The reason it was moved to this forum is because the vintage is from 1979 and back, contemporary 1980- present. So even if it was from 1995, which is possible, it would still be on this forum. Also, not trying to be a jerk, just letting you know, it is Fantom, not Phantom. Phantom is like a ghost, Fantom is the vacuum brand. Congrats on your find!
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Post# 221791 , Reply# 4 3/4/2013 at 16:26 (4,070 days old) by compactelectra  (Palm Springs) |
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| Post# 221801 , Reply# 5 3/4/2013 at 17:53 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Ohhhh. I didn't know it was fantom. The craigslist listing was named phantom. And my spell check has it set to always change it to tomaro. | ||
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Post# 221803 , Reply# 6 3/4/2013 at 18:13 (4,070 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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| Post# 221805 , Reply# 7 3/4/2013 at 18:22 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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Every time I type it, it turns into tomaro. Let's see if it will work on a different computer | ||
| Post# 221807 , Reply# 8 3/4/2013 at 18:27 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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So I am on my brothers computer. It is ment to be tomorrow. | ||
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Post# 221808 , Reply# 9 3/4/2013 at 19:02 (4,070 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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Ment | ||
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Post# 221817 , Reply# 11 3/4/2013 at 19:49 (4,070 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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You Don't Get It Kid Do you? You don't even have the capacity to punctuate or capitalize letters correctly much less spell correctly. With mispellings and other grammar errors, you can only hope that people understand what you mean. Good luck in your future endeavors and hope that people understand what you are trying to say. Your communication is painful at best. | ||
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Post# 221819 , Reply# 12 3/4/2013 at 20:07 (4,070 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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Correcting grammar is not an insult 
To read posts with neglected spelling and grammar is both difficult to read and disrespectful. How am I to take you seriously if you put no effort towards communication? Vacuumland is not a series of text messages. You should have that impression by now.
Congratulations on the Fantom. They are an important piece in vacuum cleaner history. | ||
| Post# 221821 , Reply# 14 3/4/2013 at 20:11 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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thank you | ||
| Post# 221822 , Reply# 15 3/4/2013 at 20:12 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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ohh i spelled correcting wrong... | ||
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Post# 221824 , Reply# 16 3/4/2013 at 20:18 (4,070 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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Post# 221825 , Reply# 17 3/4/2013 at 20:22 (4,070 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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Why This Important When I taught graduate school at USC the foreign students usually had a better command of the English language in addition to their own. If the US youth are lazy about communicating, the other countries are going to win over us and we will be a second class nation. I guarantee you that there are youth in China that aren't lazy about language and communication. That's who we're competing with.
Get into court and defend your position with that language. You will lose. | ||
| Post# 221826 , Reply# 18 3/4/2013 at 20:25 (4,070 days old) by kirbykid (Horseheads,New York 14845) | ||
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forget it. i have realised that no matter what i say, you just going to keep correcting me. good by vacuumland | ||
| Post# 221832 , Reply# 19 3/4/2013 at 20:42 (4,070 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
 "And my spell check has it set to always change it to tomaro"
Every spellchecker I have used, on computers, smartphones and tablets have an 'add to dictionary' option, which pops up when you edit a red-lined & highlighted mistake. Oh wait, you don't edit. 970 posts in a year and you're not familiar with or care to conform to preferred Forum conventions? Shame on you, or shall we blame the Education and Parental system that dropped cursive writing and grammar instruction from the curriculum...
Dave This post was last edited 03/04/2013 at 21:28 | ||
| Post# 221901 , Reply# 22 3/5/2013 at 08:14 (4,070 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
I have to agree with Barb here. :-)
The internet has forced many people, both young and old, to become writers and users of keyboards. Many of us have been blessed with good writing talents and skills, and great classroom teachers and mentors. Others have not. For some internet users, English is a second language which makes participating in the internet world even more challenging. There are also "differently abled" people who have learning disabilities and dyslexia and vision problems and even problems with keyboards. With that in mind, we need to be more tolerant of writing that is not perfect, or characterized by lots of errors here. We can't assume that every participant in our Vacuumland world has the ability to be a good writer. We should give everyone the benefit of the doubt and try to make our club as warm and accepting and loving as possible. If you want to help a poster improve his posts, why not volunteer to proof them for him before they are posted? I think we all know what it is like to be criticized or laughed at for our love of vacuum cleaners. That has often made our childhoods uncomfortable for many of us. I would have loved to have found a VCCC when I was 13 years old! :-). But it's only because of the keyboard based internet that many of us have found like-minded cleanerphiles. I, too, am a bit of a rebel against the obsession with email and social networks and even the inhumane pace of the contemporary workplace created by the internet. But kids today are no different than when we were all young - we all want to be loved and accepted by our peers and so we need to participate in whatever is cool for our generation ( whether it's good for you or not). It is imperative that Vacuumland be a safe place for young vacuum lovers - they are the next builders of the club. Let's be a little kindler and gentler to each other. If i had the time and the skills, I'd help our tireless webmasters (may G-d bless them !!!!) create a special section for club members under the age of 18..... Now, back to important matters: Evan...did you get your Fantom yet? :-) | ||
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Post# 221926 , Reply# 26 3/5/2013 at 11:08 (4,069 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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From Evan:
Everyone else I have showed this to understands it all. And I shouldn't have to use correct spelling because everyone can understand me, except you, and i come here to relax and talk about vacuums. If this were a job that required correct spelling and grammar then i would focus a bit more on using correct spelling and grammar, but this is a site for talking about vacuums. IF YOU KEEP CORRECTIONG MY GRAMMAR, IM GOING TO LEAVE VACUUMLAND. It is pissing me off and it probably pisses others off when you do it to them. I'm sorry Barb but I disagree with you to a certain extent. What seems to be forgotten in all this is the fact that WE ARE THE ADULTS HERE and Evan is a child. Any child that is disrespectful to the adults will be dealt with accordingly. We in no way will stand for disrespectful children ever on this website. Now we just checked the payment roster and it appears that Kirbykid was missed in the upgrades because of miscommunication with the username. Will we fix that tonight, so in that repect Evan we appologize for the delay in giving you upgraded features as well as for referring to you as a guest. But in the future we will not tolerate disrespect or back talk from you or any other minor to any adult on this website, PERIOD. | ||
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Post# 221932 , Reply# 27 3/5/2013 at 11:35 (4,069 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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Hmmmm
Wondering how he paid his dues. He's not 18. You must be 18 to be a member or his parents would have had to become the member. That would give a 13 year access to the Members Only forum.
Barb - bullying was not intended. I was pointing out his lack of care in taking time to spell and use grammar correctly. As pointed out above - it shows a lack of respect. | ||
| Post# 221934 , Reply# 28 3/5/2013 at 11:38 (4,069 days old) by nubz3760 () | ||
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This post has been removed by the webmaster. | ||
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Post# 221937 , Reply# 29 3/5/2013 at 11:48 (4,069 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Nick, I deleted your post. That was not approriate for this thread, if you have a problem with the way Fred runs this site then send him an email. Posting your beef publically to add more uncessary drama to this thread wont be tolerated.
Fred N. we believe a parent paid for him, but we will do more research tonight to determine that. | ||
| Post# 221999 , Reply# 31 3/5/2013 at 18:11 (4,069 days old) by nubz3760 () | ||
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agreed barb, I think we all should just get along and enjoy our vacuums | ||
| Post# 222092 , Reply# 32 3/6/2013 at 04:59 (4,069 days old) by director12 () | ||
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Fantom, a beloved vacuum brand that lost the market in 2001. | ||
| Post# 222104 , Reply# 33 3/6/2013 at 09:20 (4,069 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
There are several things going on here ...
1. Lazy is lazy is lazy. I realize we're not typing up resolutions for the United Nations, but correct grammar is correct grammar, and should be used in ALL communication.
2. As a professional writer, I can tell you that being a "good writer" is not the same thing at all as using correct grammar, spelling, syntax, and punctuation. Those are the BASE MINIMUM skills. Being a good WRITER is taking it to a whole different level by using those basic skills to artfully and masterfully convey complex ideas and narratives. It's like defending someone's inability to add 1+1 by arguing that they weren't "blessed" to be a good actuary or statistician. Basic arithmetic -- addition, subtraction, multiplication, and division -- are BASE MINIMUM skills just to be a contributing member of society, regardless of occupation or profession. As are basic spelling, grammar, and punctuation skills. 3. Not to attack Evan, but the word "tomorrow" is a second grade vocabulary word. It is a word heard and read EVERY SINGLE DAY by nearly every adult not in a coma (and quite a few IN comas, most likely). No 13-year-old should see the word "tomaro" and think it's the correct spelling. 4. I'm troubled by the increased dependence upon "spellcheck" (which was Evan's defense) by the younger generations. Just as I'm increasingly worried about the younger generation not even learning how to write -- cursive or printing, for that matter -- with a pen or pencil at all. Their technology-obsessed parents think its so cute that their children go immediately from drooling in a sippy cup to punching out words on a keyboard. It is a dangerous dependence on electronics that will leave these people in a major bind if and when the electricity, for whatever reason, goes out for any extended period of time. Our entire modern infrastructure is more delicate than most people care to think about; we're just one atmospheric bomb detonation away from the nation's entire power grid getting fried, and the power going off -- for YEARS. Knowing how to intuitively spell correctly and communicate via pen and paper will be paramount. At the very least, barring any disaster that takes our electricity away, handing over these very basic human skills to computers makes us as a human society collectively weaker. 5. All THAT being said, we don't know Evan's situation (could be dyslexic, etc.), and correction should be given gently and good-naturedly. People -- TEENAGERS in particular -- don't respond well to condescension. Any correction should be done in the spirit of helping that person better themselves, rather than one feeling superior to another. 6. He was so excited about getting his first Fantom, and just wanted to share that excitement with the rest of us -- people who GET it. Don't break that spirit. 7. Let's give Evan a collective hug and welcome him back. | ||
| Post# 222150 , Reply# 34 3/6/2013 at 14:57 (4,068 days old) by FantomVacuumFan (St.Petersburg, Florida) | ||
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I have to say
I am shocked at how many of the adults on here are acting childish. I am 23, so I am old enough to know how to act as an adult, yet still young enough to know how it feels to deal with adults disregarding everything you say, because your the kid.
As has been stated before, he could have been dyslexic. Or maybe he just made a typo. I am having to be very careful writing this, because I now know at the slightest mistake, I will have someone jump on me, however, I am sure I am still making some. The kid was excited about getting his first Fantom vacuum, and you guys turned his excitement and desire to share it with us into a personal attack on him just because of a few spelling and gramatical errors. SHAME ON YOU! Furthermore, I saw nothing disrespectful in what Evan said! What, was he disrespectful because he didn't roll over and let you guys walk all over him? Was he disrespectful because he stood up for himself? What I think adults play the, "We are the adult, your the child" card too often. Does that mean that you can attack the kid, beat him down, over a SIMPLE mistake, in essence, be disrespectful to him, and then when he get upset about it they pull the "Oh your being disrespectful" card. That is not to say a kid who mouths off to his parents or elders when they are in the right should get away with it, but when you attack someone, as was done on this forum, you are misguided if you think that your not going to have the kid fight back. | ||
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Post# 222194 , Reply# 35 3/6/2013 at 18:45 (4,068 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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Furthermore, I saw nothing disrespectful in what Evan said! What, was he disrespectful because he didn't roll over and let you guys walk all over him? Was he disrespectful because he stood up for himself? What I think adults play the, "We are the adult, your the child" card too often. Does that mean that you can attack the kid, beat him down, over a SIMPLE mistake, in essence, be disrespectful to him, and then when he get upset about it they pull the "Oh your being disrespectful" card.
I couldn't disagree with you more Michael, that child's posting was disrespectful. A teacher wouldn't stand to be talked to like that and neither will we. While you might think a fresh child is cute, those of us who have to run this website absolutely do not. Many do not realize this but there is a big push in the Members Only Forum to no longer allow anyone who is either under 18 or not a paid in full member to post on Vacuumland any longer. While I personally disagree with that stance, whatever the board decides on we will abide by. At the same, time those of us who run this site can try to find some middle ground here between those who want to make Vacuumland adult only, and those who do not. Fred and I have to update the rules because of a different incident last week, while we are at it we will add a second new rule along the lines of members who are under 18 years old must treat any adult member who post on this site with respect or they will be banned. This might help the alleviate the situation at least temporarily. Had Evan's response be more along the lines of "I'm sorry, my grammar and spelling are not very good, but I will try a bit harder" this whole situation would have been avoided and all would be well now. Once the changes to the rules have been made we will make a new post in Off-Topic. | ||
| Post# 222214 , Reply# 37 3/6/2013 at 21:10 (4,068 days old) by nubz3760 () | ||
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it is my opinion that this whole fiasco should have never happened. I believe if you can't understand what someone is saying, move on. it is that persons loss without your contribution to the conversation. None of us are perfect. | ||
| Post# 222216 , Reply# 38 3/6/2013 at 21:33 (4,068 days old) by FantomVacuumFan (St.Petersburg, Florida) | ||
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Please point out | ||
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Post# 222224 , Reply# 39 3/6/2013 at 21:53 (4,068 days old) by Unimatic1140 (Minneapolis) |
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"It is pissing me off and it probably pisses others off when you do it to them." is not something I would tolerate out of a 13 year old. That is what was disrespectful. I made that quite clear in my posting above, while I personally don't care about the grammar I do care about how children respond to adults, it was the way I was raised. If you don't like that, too bad, need I remind you that we are the ones who call the shots on this site.
It is clear to me that nothing has been learned in this thread, by Evan or anyone else. It is done now, we will update the rules. We've had our final say on this. | ||
| Post# 222225 , Reply# 40 3/6/2013 at 21:56 (4,068 days old) by electromatik (Taylorsville, North Carolina, U.S.A.) | ||
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Please don't leave kirbykid. There are many nice people here. I make mistakes too. I correct people sometimes, but in a respectful way. :) | ||
| Post# 222227 , Reply# 41 3/6/2013 at 22:06 (4,068 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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There is much history with Evan that many seem to have forgotten over the past 12 months, that finally pushed Big Fred's buttons.
When you are a paid member another feature is the ability to click on anyone's post count and read every post they ever made. Reviewing those Beaverton posts tonight I fully support Big Fred's action (which if you read it over is actually delivered with good nature until the child smart-mouthed). For senior members like myself, Robert and Little Fred's responses seem to be our last bastion of common sense at a Board guidance and leadership level. It'll be a sad day when we give in to a child bullying the adults. As much as I'd like to see posting privileges restricted to over 18, a compromise may be to begin with age 16 with limited posting at least.
In closing, it is convenient for some to read only what one wants to hear, ignoring the other posts besides #13. No apology at all would have been better than this clumsy crafty attempt to manipulate member opinion.
Dave | ||
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