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Post# 209923   12/14/2012 at 11:36 (2,764 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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After a few months of using solely my Eureka Express, I've fallen in love with the canister power team set up. However, the Eureka just isn't fitting my needs. Our new home is close to 50% hard flooring with carpeted stairs, and the VGIII power nozzle just is not designed for this. So I'd like to go all out get a decent PN canister. I'd like your guys' help in the decision making. Here the list of features that I need:

*High quality hard floor brush. Does one exist were dog hair won't stick to the bristles?

*Electric mini PN for cleaning carpeted stairs. An air driven turbo brush is not going to cut it.

*A PN that can deep clean plush medium pile carpeting. So no soft bristles here.

I've narrowed the selection down to a few a models that I think will do the job, but I'm open to suggestions:

*Electrolux Silverado or Epic 6500: The bags are cheap, I adore the Sidekick and they are priced relatively cheaply on eBay. However, I have never been impressed with Electrolux PNs. They have always appeared like surface cleaners, and I don't have much faith in them cleaning plush carpeting. But you know better than I do!

*New Kenmore Progressive: I'm leaning towards model#21714.

*Miele S2121 Delphi: Oh boy, that price! Is it worth spending $500 on a BOL PN canister? Should I just take that money and get an Electrolux?

What do you think is the best choice?

Post# 209926 , Reply# 1   12/14/2012 at 12:09 (2,764 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        

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My guess is you're going to get a lot of different opinions from many members here. Each of us have our preferences as to what we like and recommend. It's probably not ideal, but if you had access to all of the machines you've listed above, it would be great if you could take them home and "test drive" them so to speak in your environment so you can see which machine would fit your needs best.

Now with that said, I personally will recommend the Electrolux Silverado. I own three of them and one I use as a daily driver, it has a PN 5 power nozzle for my carpeting, a flip over brush for the tile/hard surfaces, and a sidekick for use on either furniture or stairs, or anywhere that's a tight spot you're not going to get a regular power nozzle in place. I have never had the pleasure to use a Miele, however I have heard great things about them. Kenmore vacuums I'm borderline on those, I have owned a Kenmore Whispertone canister in the past and while it had great suction, the connection where the power nozzle connected melted down on me and of course the power nozzle stopped working.

On another line of though, if you're looking to spend $500+ on a vacuum cleaner, Aerus (Electrolux) makes a canister that can be purchased for around $600, it has all of the tools necessary for what you're looking for, plus comes standard with a five year warranty.

These are just my thoughts on them, whatever you decide to purchase, I wish you the best with it and I hope it serves your purposes. Good luck!

Post# 209927 , Reply# 2   12/14/2012 at 12:26 (2,764 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
Aerus Lux Classic

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Now that is one good looking canister! I did not realize they came with the sidekick, and the PN is just what I need. Basic with metal wands.

There is absolutely no Aerus dealers within a 100 miles up here, so are the any members here on Vacuumland that I could purchase from? Maybe at a reduced rate?

Post# 209928 , Reply# 3   12/14/2012 at 12:37 (2,764 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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This looks to be the same machine on eBay. But still, is the PN going to deep clean my carpet?

CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK on eBay

Post# 209934 , Reply# 4   12/14/2012 at 12:59 (2,764 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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You can't beat the Kenmore Intuition canister - top rated by Consumer Reports for at least 3 years now in the category of canisters.

It is excellent at carpet cleaning, bare floor cleaning and has strong airflow through the hose for above the floor cleaning with tools. It's got a great bare floor brush that releases from it's home right in the power nozzle - making switching from carpet to bare floors a breeze. The headlight is on the wand itself, so you get illumination on bare floors even when using the bare floor brush. It's got an on-board storage compartment for an electric mini power nozzle. It's also got a wonderfully long 8-foot hose!

Here's a link to more information -

CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK

Post# 209945 , Reply# 5   12/14/2012 at 13:55 (2,764 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Is an amazing machine... With a few draw backs.
1. Miele has no mini PN.
2. Delphi comes with no bare floor brush and I would suggest an upgraded PN.
3. Stock dusting brush is crappy, but it can be replaced with the one from an S5.
4. Bags are expensive! If you don't need super filtration stick with the filters you get for free in boxes of bags, it'll still filter better than most anything else.
5. Short hose and cord. (an extension cord is an easy solution, and the canister is light so its no problem to lift)
Now lets look at the positive.
1. The SEB-217 PN that comes with the Delphi is amazing. For its size it deep cleans well, with brushes turned off it cleans bare flooring better than many dedicated tools. It also is small, light, and gentile enough to be used on both upholstered furniture and carpeted stairs, with its bigger cleaning path making quick work of stairs.
2. The upgraded PN's from WW will IMO clean circles around a Lux/Aerus.
3. Miele has a large selection of tools to make any cleaning job easy and quick.
4. Miele bags filter insanely well, the bag compartment will never have any dust in it if you maintain the machine. They also are about as close as a bag will ever get to the realm of "No loss of suction." The bags are also big and though they don't unfold completely while in the S2 series they do fill completely.
5. Its light weight and easy to clean with.
So basically for the Lux I'm pretty sure coming from a VGIII PN you'll be disappointed with its deep cleaning (or lack thereof).
Kenmore is a good machine but the new models seem to be getting so cheap and unreliable, if you go for something like this I'd suggest one more like the Panasonic I'll attach a link for.
And the Miele... It is a pricy machine, the best way I can explain it is to compare to the recent discussion we had about Macintosh. Miele has a complete system designed around their vacuums and components, meaning so that it all just works flawlessly no matter what you're trying to tackle at the time.
If you do go with a Miele go into a friendly dealer that will hopefully give you a good deal on a package, Including the Delphi, Either a SEB-228 or 236 PN, a better natural bristle dusting brush from an S5, and a bare floor nozzle if you see fit (the SEB-217 will more than suffice).

CLICK HERE TO GO TO FantomLightning's LINK

Post# 209958 , Reply# 6   12/14/2012 at 16:00 (2,764 days old) by director12 ()        

I agree with you Zach, the Delphi is awesome.

Post# 209962 , Reply# 7   12/14/2012 at 16:35 (2,764 days old) by vacman117 (Valparaiso, IN)        

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I was going to mention the red Kenmore canister but then I looked up the model number you said you were interested in and that's it! That Kenmore power nozzle is an amazing cleaner. It is the same one used on the Progressive Glide upright, which is one of my best cleaning vacuums in my collection. Out of the others you listed, I think the Kenmore would be the better route. Better attachments, more user-friendly, cheaper, and you get the electric mini power nozzle. That's what I'd do, but that's just me.


Post# 209976 , Reply# 8   12/14/2012 at 18:10 (2,764 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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Nathaniel, I think an Electrolux plastic bodied canister would be your best choice. Yes, you will find the powerhead performance disappointing, BUT you can buy a new powerhead, such as a Wessell EBK340 or Sweep & Groom, & then take your wand into a vac shop & have them install a buttonlocker & shorten the powerhead's cord. This will allow you to have an Electrolux with a better powerhead that will give you the performance you desire out of it.

The other choices you listed are good, but they do have problems you may want to avoid. The Miele....Unless you go for the SEB 228 or 236 powerhead, chances are you would find the SEB 217 powerhead too wimpy & dissatisfied with it's performance cleaning carpets. Also, while you can use a Turbo Hand Brush with a Miele, there is no electric mini PN available on the market that will fit it. The reason for this is that Miele's hose receptacles are unique enough that it won't accept a generic plug, even if you do have a generic adapter to convert from 1 3/8" attachments to 1 1/4 attachments. And while Miele is legendary for their reliability & quality, the cost of their repair parts & bags & filters in HIDEOUSLY EXPENSIVE....expensive enough I wouldn't recommend anyone buy a Miele.

The Kenmore/Panasonic canisters....although they will give you the performance you desire, unless you buy an older machine from the 1990's, the new canisters have HUGE problems with the motors dying prematurely, about 4 to 5 years old. And most people know of their problems with the electrical connections in the hose, wand & powerhead neck. So, although they are an option, it's an option that will give you headaches.

On the other hand, if you buy an Electrolux & get another powerhead for it as I suggested, you will have a reliable cleaner with good performance, & reasonable costs for parts should the cleaner ever break. Also, Electrolux supplies are very inexpensive, & you can use HEPA cloth bags in your Electrolux if you desire. The afterfilter will capture the dust just as well as Miele's Super Air Clean filters they include with the bags, & combined with the HEPA cloth bags, the Electrolux would filter just as well as a Miele would with the Super Air Clean filter fitted. And of course, Electrolux vacuums come with the Sidekick mini powerhead that you wanted. The only suggestion I would make is to buy an older Electrolux plastic bodied canister, like the brown one in your photo....those models have the double-stage motor that will outlast the newer ones, like the white ones in the pics here.

Good luck finding a good vacuum....Rob

Post# 209979 , Reply# 9   12/14/2012 at 19:08 (2,764 days old) by 2011hoover700 (owosso michigan)        

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If you get a brand new tristar cs series PN canister please let me know everything about it and how you like it.

I personally love my tristar cxl but never tried a newer model yet.

Here is a link to tristar enterprise's site if you need more info.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO 2011hoover700's LINK

Post# 209984 , Reply# 10   12/14/2012 at 19:51 (2,764 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

How about either a rebuilt TriStar CXL w/Wessel Werk HEB160 mini PN?

U can put a Vibra Groomer II on the TriStar PN or use a Eureka Express PN & buy the mini wand from AirStorm/Patriot.

Post# 209985 , Reply# 11   12/14/2012 at 20:05 (2,764 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)        
New Lux

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I sell the brand new luxes, in fact I have a classic and a legacy both if you're interested in one....let me know. Thanks!

Post# 209986 , Reply# 12   12/14/2012 at 20:16 (2,764 days old) by funeraldirector (Boston)        
Power Nozzle Canister


With the type of flooring in your home you will definitely appreciate the quality of the Lux attachments and the standard and optional floor brushes with the Classic canister. The Sidekick is perfect for your stairs and the Lux power nozzle is very good at cleaning carpeting without causing damage to the ends of the fibers. The thing to remember is while a stiffer brush roller generally deep cleans carpeting better, it causes damage to the ends of the fibers you can see with an electron microscope when compared with several years of vacuuming with a standard Lux brush roll. The idea here is to vacuum on a regular basis your traffic areas (daily) and this ceases to be an issue. I prefer the current series of Lux plastic canisters with the Johnson Electric brushless motor over the previous Lux double fan and VM3 styles.

As for the Lux power nozzle performance and deep cleaning the VG you are currently using will probably slightly outclean the Miele 236. Perhaps someone else could chime in here. In my 2013 Lux Guardian Platinum I use the Lux green high performance roller (48011) that picks up about 20% more dirt that the standard OEM assy and close to the Miele in performance. I used a Miele 236 and Lux Guardian side by side for years in Boston and had very clean carpets so you will too.

As for Miele, you are better off with the Callisto (sp?) and the larger nozzle it comes with. Better performance from the power nozzle, decent attachments and a decent floor brush. An excellent machine for your application w/o breaking the bank. The downside is obviously the cost of the bags which filter great and maintain their power longer than Lux bags and also filter and OEM replacement part costs. The 217 nozzle is a nice addition for small areas, oriental rugs and stairs. The issues with the 236 nozzle have been corrected and I do prefer it over the 228 this unit ships with.

Finally the Sebo D4 with the ET-1 nozzle is also ideal. High quality unit, 40 foot cord reel, swivel hose and a super power nozzle.

I would be all set with the Intuition.

You can e-mail me if you are interested in a new Miele or Lux.



Post# 209987 , Reply# 13   12/14/2012 at 20:23 (2,764 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke ()        

It's really a tough choice.

I agree with you about Electrolux power nozzles not being deep cleaners.

I didn't think Miele had a mini-power head, and I've never been impressed with the Sidekicks (the one for my Renny rattles and isn't powerful, and the youtube videos I've seen seem the same).

I have a bottom of the line Miele Plus, and while it's older than the one you are intrested in, it has some similar qualities that I want to point out... the SEB 217 power head is great for thin flat carpet, but the bristles are soft and there is no height adjustment.... it will not work as well on medium or thick carpet to deep clean as more capable power nozzles... So, definitely upgrade the power nozzle. A lot of people like the parquet twister bare floor tool, but the last time I priced them, they were like 80 bucks... you'd have to add that to the price, unless you are planning to just use the power nozzle with the brushroll off.

Another thing that sucks about the bottom of the line Mieles is that they are not direct connect... the loose cord for the power nozzle gets in the way and is more annoying than you can possibly imagine. You constantly have to worry about it tangling around the hose and have to completely unplug it just to change the bag. And, of course you have to go back to the machine to turn the power on and off instead of having the switch right in the handle.

I used to always recommend Kenmores to anyone who was looking for a decent canister, but lately, the attachments have gotten cheap and the quality isn't there like it used to be. I can't tell you how many I've seen that are just a few years old that have broken wheels, elbows, handle release, or quick release pedals... or the height adjust wheels just fell out and are completely missing. Another common issue with the newer Kenmores is that the hose will develop problems and short out and the machine will run intermittently or not at all (since that is where the power switch is).

If you get a Kenmore, and baby it (don't drop it or bump it into walls or furniture or even let anyone sneeze in the same room with it), and possibly buy a couple of extra power nozzles and hoses to have when the original ones fail, you will get some nice features... I love the quick release and direct connect hose and wands and parking system and fingertip power switch... the electric Powermate Junior works better than the Sidekick and the bristles are stiff on the regular power nozzle...

Sorry I couldn't give a more definite suggestion, but maybe a few things to think about :o)

Post# 209988 , Reply# 14   12/14/2012 at 20:53 (2,764 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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I know there is no such thing as a perfect vacuum, but I'd really like to get something that won't require expensive or aftermarket upgrades. Just something that works well as it is. The Electrolux seems to be the machine of choice. Is it worth the hundreds of dollars I have to spend to get it? Two years ago, I thought a Miracle Mate was worth the investment, but I was proved wrong very quickly...

Post# 209989 , Reply# 15   12/14/2012 at 21:04 (2,764 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
Tristar or Patriot

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If you can find one for a decent price go for a patriot they are wonderful the airflow at the end of the hose matches my miele silver moon with both reading at 5.5 but you get a longer hose with the patriot. It's also been my experience that the patriot retains it's airflow better than the miele reading in at 4.5 after a deep cleaning of a living room and usage while the miele reads in at 3.5 after a few usages. The medikaire filter doesn't cut down on airflow too much and they usually come with a quality power head (sebo or wessell werks)

Of course the Tristar cxl having close to the same design has similar stats but it's motor is just a little less powerful than the patriot

Post# 209991 , Reply# 16   12/14/2012 at 21:37 (2,764 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Hi Nathaniel.
I recommend the Kenmore Progressive bagged PN canister in white. Regular price is $299.


Post# 209992 , Reply# 17   12/14/2012 at 21:52 (2,764 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Perfect bagged PN canister.


Post# 209993 , Reply# 18   12/14/2012 at 21:56 (2,764 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Aerus Electrolux bagged PN canister.


Post# 209994 , Reply# 19   12/14/2012 at 22:03 (2,764 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        
TriStar canister vacuums

I love both my CXL & EXL; & both outclean everything else I currently own in both houses. Not even today's vacuums or my Ridgid shop vac can come close to either TriStar. :)

If there is any vacuum that can beat a TriStar, that I'll have to see someday.

I. M. O. I think the EXL has more suction than my 2-speed CXL because both have 2-stage motors.

Hopefully, I plan to go to the VCCC Convention & take the EXL.

Post# 209998 , Reply# 20   12/14/2012 at 23:26 (2,764 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
I professionally clean houses for 18 years with power nozzle

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Your Eureka Express canister depending on the model number would have come outfitted with a VGIII agitator brush. As far as power nozzle for carpeting the Express power head on this canister is very good for carpet cleaning. At the same time this unit has an uncomfortable hose handle, suction is good, but not great and bare floor brush was not included as an onboard tool, and I do not know of a mini electric power head to run on this unit.

Look for a canister that uses a universal fit hose end that you can fit other manufacturers attachments to. This will be most beneficial. Since no machine is perfect it's better to find the unit with suction, power nozzle, filtration, hose length and comfort that you want and then customize attachments otherwise. By doing so you'll truly end up with a vac capable of accomplishing all of your needs in the end. ***The Kenmore Progressive White, Blueberry and Red all have very comfortable hose grip but tool end is not universal and attachments for this machine other than powermate Jr. are quite unimpressive!!!

One thing you should think about and many others would recommend, is that it would work better to have a second set of wands strictly dedicated to your bare floor brush and keep your power nozzle continuously attached to the other set of wands. Quick release connections on canisters break easy, the wiring connections get burnt up and despite them being very convenient is not a good practice in the long term to be continuously changing off the power head for a bare floor brush.

Pet hair will stick to most any bristle on a bare floor brush. However it seems to stick the least on horsehair designed models, which also prove to be very gentle for most any surface while dusting the floors very efficiently and working well. The Kenmore/ Panasonic style bare floor brushes are very short harsh bristles and the tools themselves are only about 9" wide. I recommend looking to a universal fit bare floor brush from your local vac shop or online that's about 12" wide, horse hair bristles, and gaps or varied bristle length to allow for better ability of sucking dirt in and not pushing it away. Also try out the swivel necks some are much easier to swivel and more maneuverable than others. Many new bare floor brushes on the market have wheels. The brushes themselves work good, I recommend removing the wheels from them if you buy that style!!! You may also like the Miele Parquet tool--it uses felt pads to clean the floor-- intuitive.

The 2 main mini electric power heads for canisters that I can think of are the Electrolux Sidekick and Kenmore PowerMate Jr. The Electrolux Sidekick I have never been impressed with. The brush just doesn't do a good job for me and angling is awkward. The Powermate Jr. does a good job on low profile rugs and upholstery but on medium to deep pile carpets they're very hard to use. The front design of the current version has ridges to allow for airflow. These ridges on a surface without wheels, just makes it very hard to use on a carpeted step, it sinks into the pile and gets stuck rather than gliding and grooming over it. For this situation I would look towards an air turbine nozzle such as the Wessel Werk or Hoover Windtunnel turbine tool. Not all turbine tools are created equal, I have found these 2 to work the best. I have no problem whatsoever with my Hoover air turbine nozzle on either my Anniversary Windtunnel canister or original series Hoover Windtunnel canister.

Another option I think you should look at is getting a separate electric powered hand vac with rotating brush. The Hoover Sidewinder/ Twistnvac works well. Or its also very easy to find a Dirt Devil 103 or similar model. I use a snugger belt on my Hoover Sidewinder hand vac than Hoover original. It works much awesome, pulling out pet hair like a magnet and really lifting the pile! They're noisy but work good.

With all of that said the canister I recommend you getting is a Simplicity Verve, Riccar Pristine, Riccar Impeccable, Riccar 1700, or similar. I think you'd be very impressed by a Tacony product. Variable suction, powerful power heads, wide variety of attachments with universal fit hose to fit any manufacturers tools, very quiet, HEPA cloth bags, sealed systems, HEPA filtration, terrific warranties, well built, long lasting, durable, easy to buy parts that are reasonably priced. Another machine you may want to look at is the Royal Lexon SR30020.

Mieles are nice, I think you would enjoy one. Things to think about for this are: do you want a headlight? If so the SEB236 is their only power head with a light. The SEB217 is a very lightweight power head with small motor and very soft bristles. Most any other powerhead on the market will run circles around this. It is meant for throw and other light area rugs. Aerus machines are well built with terrific suction. Many vacuum shops have refurb models in store that you should look at and try out before buying one anywhere!! I find many of their power heads aren't as powerful and have softer bristles than others on the market. Your Express power nozzle is MUCH better over some Lux heads. But you need to try them all out as they vary. I do not like the upholstery nozzle on Aerus/ Lux, the plastic flap wings with no bristles, rubber fingers or otherwise have scratched up delicate upholstery while cleaning terribly. Also I hate the flip over reversible combo barefloor tool/ carpet tool. They are ugly, short, don't clean well in my mind. This attached to Lux wands and I have to arch my back to use this tool. Electrolux does not have telescoping wands that I know of, and I'm only 5'7" so that's saying something if I'm uncomfortable using it!!! Oh how I would love to be 5'10" or so!!

Machines I would definitely avoid: Kenmore Progressives with new style hose because they do not fit standard tools. Kenmore Intuition canister- built in bare floor brush is terrible, power head has many durability issues with connection and just a very bulky, "junky" system for cleaning carpet. Any Sebo canister-- very underpowered power nozzles, overpriced for parts, and in general, not user friendly machines.

I know I've probably listed too much info here for you to absorb in one sitting!!! I could talk for hours about power head canister vacs, they are my passion and joy. I have used countless numbers of them over the years. Feel free to private message or email me any questions or further advice. I've been professionally cleaning houses for 18 years with power head canister vacuums!!! I look for machines that perform to get a house truly clean while being user friendly and durable enough.

TRY BEFORE YOU BUY ANYTHING, or make sure you have a fair return window. Suction on most machines today is quite comparable. I think you're mostly shopping features, durability and power nozzle!!!


Post# 210011 , Reply# 21   12/15/2012 at 01:12 (2,764 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Perhaps look into

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the HOOVER Windtunnel Platinum.

Post# 210031 , Reply# 22   12/15/2012 at 09:52 (2,763 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
canister vacuums

Much good information above.I would agree that QUALITY is a concern with newer Sears.I see every week problems with motor,hose,wand,power nozzle brush & wheels,etc.The Meile is exellent but with a huge variety of models,attachments,prices and more.One of the BEST EVER modern canisters is the Electrolux/Aerus LE/6500 styles as in no 1 & 3.(the EBay vac has wrong wands and crevice)These are best with newer vinyl hoses and give you 4 ply self sealing bag,after filter,less weight with plastic body,extra wands for floor tool(newer has cut outs in front bristle),gear belt with reset and more.The crevice,rug/floor tool and dusting/upholstery brush can clean anything the power nozzle and Sidekick doesn't.The extra wands can be added to the power nozzle wands for high ceilings.Elux cordwinders are one of the best.Many prefer the 'old' style wand system to the newer square plastic with the swivel elbo that can be troublesome after enough miles.I know of 2 that were found within 25 miles of here in the last 2 weeks at different thrift stores,both good and complete and less than $25 dollars!Estate sales can be a good source as the older people would have quality canisters and when they pass away the children & grandchildren want bagless uprights. -Good Luck-Happy Vacuuming.

Post# 210050 , Reply# 23   12/15/2012 at 12:49 (2,763 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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Do the majority of the Kenmore's issues occur because of user error, or are they really just that terrible? If I go Electrolux, should I stick with the basic metal wands(which I think can fit universal tools) or go with the deluxe plastic that swivels?

Post# 210052 , Reply# 24   12/15/2012 at 13:27 (2,763 days old) by director12 ()        

Well the Kenmores seem to have been not as good as they used to be. Nathaniel, I'd suggest going for a Bissell Clean-Along or a Digipro for a PN canister.

Post# 210062 , Reply# 25   12/15/2012 at 14:55 (2,763 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

A Wessel Werk HEB160 should fit ANY canister, CVB or upright vac; but you'll need the extension cord to plug the brush to a wall outlet.

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Post# 210072 , Reply# 26   12/15/2012 at 15:57 (2,763 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Kenmores are suffering greatly from cheaper motors being in them. In general they are not near what they used to be. The Panasonics seem to at least have a better grade of plastic used on them. If you like Kenmore features, then I would go with a Panasonic machine. Those are better quality and similar style. I think a Kenmore burning at the wand connection is primarily user but many other problems are the machine itself.

I have to disagree with Director 12. The Bissell Clean along canisters have a very small opening to agitator area in the power nozzle and agitator brush is very very soft. Not very effective. The Bissell Digipro is an older style unit. Its been on the market for over 10 years and Bissell had made no changes or improvements to it. I have emailed their customer support a couple of months back as I was debating getting one. However Bissell said that they do not manufacture or no of a bare floor brush that can be used with that canister. They said they recommended using the power nozzle using the on/off bare floor switch. I find this useless. I like a separate bare floor brush for a vacuum.

I have also yet to see ANY vacuum store have a Bissell Digipro on the showroom floor. That right there tells me something about the quality of the vacuum!!!

The Hoover Platinum canister is a good vac if you don't mind bagless. Also there are customer reviews with the hoses circuits going bad.

Pretty soon Hoover will have a canister similar to the Royal SR30020 and those units are wonderful, I think. Reasonable price, good quality, universal fit of other attachments, sealed HEPA filtration, Hoover Windtunnel turbine tool included, 4 position height adjuster. VERY COMFORTABLE, wonderful hose hand. Powerful power head. Go Vacuum recommends it!!


Post# 210090 , Reply# 27   12/15/2012 at 19:55 (2,763 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Riccar Impeccable Premier bagged PN canister.


Post# 210091 , Reply# 28   12/15/2012 at 19:59 (2,763 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Eureka Complete Clean bagless PN canister.


Post# 210092 , Reply# 29   12/15/2012 at 20:06 (2,763 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Hoover WindTunnel bagless PN canister.


Post# 210146 , Reply# 30   12/16/2012 at 11:32 (2,762 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Stay away from current market Eurekas. PERIOD.

Post# 210148 , Reply# 31   12/16/2012 at 12:03 (2,762 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

What is wrong with the current model Eurekas and Hoovers? Thanks.

Post# 210153 , Reply# 32   12/16/2012 at 12:33 (2,762 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Kenmore bagged PN canister in Orange. The Lime Green model has been discontinued.


Post# 210154 , Reply# 33   12/16/2012 at 12:38 (2,762 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Here is the Simplicity Moxie Premier bagged PN canister.


Post# 210181 , Reply# 34   12/16/2012 at 18:12 (2,762 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
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I've emailed you both in regards to a price quote on a new Aerus.

Post# 210182 , Reply# 35   12/16/2012 at 18:15 (2,762 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Limited selection. Quality for current Eurekas is not good!

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Current model Hoover's are ok, but options are limited. Many of us collectors seem to like bagged over bagless since they filter better, overall last longer and you don't have to empty dirt bins after each use.

As far as Hoovers. I don't count the Duros model at all. To me the Duros is just a Sanyo canister, its not a true Hoover by any means, and there is no bare floor brush for it. This leaves Hoovers ONLY OTHER BAGGED POWER TEAM option to the Windtunnel. Sorry but I like selection!!! The Anniversary Windtunnel is a good machine but does have problems. I like the new suction unit. Its well sealed, good filtration, great suction. Slow start motor, 4 swivel caster wheels. Hoover seems to have corrected issues with the circuit board. However what it suffers from are as follows:
1. Lousy hose. Very awkward manuevering, and uncomfortable handle grip. I've used many canisters over the years. This hose is probably by far the most awkward next to the Dyson DC23 canister hose.
2. High Speed motor. I miss a Hoover that sounds like a "Hoover". This one doesn't, it has no similar characteristic sound to a PowerMax, Windtunnel, Dimension, Celebrity or any of its predecessors!!
3. Attachment set is mediocre. I don't like the new style extra short, extra thin crevice tools that many companies are using. They don't fit in 50% of the areas that a crevice tool is useful for. Also they hiss obnoxiously cause of awkward design. I'm not a fan of any manufacturers combo upholstery and dusting brushes. I want the two separate, so that the upholstery nozzle actually has a reasonable size, shape and its own bristles, rubber fingers or other means of grabbing dirt and pet hair.
4. Original Windtunnel power nozzle cleans terrific but is a cheap design thanks to Maytag. All 4 wheels are lousy on it and headlight supports extend into air passage duct interfering with airflow.

Now with Eurekas. According to, for the past several months they have 0, Zero, Zilch, No choices whatsoever for a power head canister that is bagged!!!! In general Eureka vacuums have gone WAYYYY down in quality. There only decent vac is the Boss Smartvac upright and Boss 1934A, and I wouldn't be surprised if they ruin those soon. Everything else really suffers from clogging, terribly unsealed designs and overall bad quality. I have yet to see a regular vacuum shop that carries Eureka products on the floor with exception to its commercial lines.

I debated getting one of the Eureka SurfaceMax bagged canisters that were at BigLots for $99 not long ago. However cheap plastic wands, very flimsy bag door, small bag, flimsy wand disconnect, non swivel hose and a few other things turned me away quick even at only $100. I won't spend that kind of money for a machine that might last 2 years. At least the lime green or orange Kenmores might last 5 years at around $150 for those. Those motors are said to be very unreliable at this point!!

You really need to try something out in a store first hand, if not owning it yourself or using elsewhere for a reasonable amount of time before just going and recommending something. Just looking at it on a website or WalMart shelf should not put someone in a position to recommend a product. You should have user tested experience!!

Post# 210191 , Reply# 36   12/16/2012 at 19:39 (2,762 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

The only experiences I have are with my 1995 Kenmore Whispertone bagged PN canister in white which has been gone since 2004. Hoover Dimension 1000 PN canister which I still have. Eureka Express PN canister which I still have. I based my recommendations on the positive experiences of the Eureka/Hoover/Kenmore. I am sorry if I annoyed you.

Post# 210198 , Reply# 37   12/16/2012 at 20:26 (2,762 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

When I was about five years old in 1981, My family had a Aerus Electrolux straight suction canister from the 1950s and had a Eureka RotoMatic straight suction canister from the 1950s. Both died in 1982 and both are long gone.

Post# 210201 , Reply# 38   12/16/2012 at 21:20 (2,762 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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Just buy the tried and true red Panasonic 902. It's got a universal end on the hose that will allow you to buy a variety of additional tools to suit your needs. It has received very good results in all categories of Consumer Reports tests and is a "recommended" buy. It's a better quality version of the Kenmore Progressive and is inexpensive enough for you to buy a Hoover Linx Platinum cordless handvac which has a rotating brush for stairs and upholstery and cars. The newer Pet Version has some nice attachments as well which are designed to remove pet hair. Problem solved!

Post# 210218 , Reply# 39   12/17/2012 at 00:28 (2,762 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

"Is the Aerus/Electrolux PN going to deep clean my carpet?"

If you've got the "L" shaped PN, the new & improved brush roller with the extra turn of bristles will dig deeper into the carpets.

Here's a pic of the new style roller (installed on my TriStar EXL/A101 PN) After I put the new style roller, the PN really cleans deeper on every style carpet I've vacuumed with the TriStar EXL.

Does your Epic 6500 have this style roller or the older style that has fewer bristles?

Post# 210224 , Reply# 40   12/17/2012 at 01:56 (2,762 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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I think it's fantastic how you've created links to ALL of these different makes! It certainly shows no prejudice. I'd NEVER have thought to do that. KUDOS to you!

 John....and,  all I need is the HOOVER part. lolol.

Post# 210240 , Reply# 41   12/17/2012 at 09:33 (2,761 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Not a fan of modern Aerus carpet grooming!!!

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I think the motors in those modern Luxs/ Aerus power nozzles aren't very powerful. Now on the other hand, very impressed with the power of a PN2/ PN4. That with a good agitator would do a good job.

I recently tried a friends TriStar MG series machine with the Aerus thick square plastic wands and L shape head. While the suction was good, I was unimpressed with the power nozzle. Just didn't feel much power coming from that and it didn't groom well. We tested many vacs that night on a medium pile carpet. The following vacuums did a much better job grooming the carpet: Hoover Decade 80, Hoover PowerMax Supreme canister, Meile Blue Moon with SEB236 power head, Eureka Rotomatic 1784B canister, Kirby Sentria, Electrolux Ultra Silencer Power nozzle canister, Electrolux Central vac with Solaire head.

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Post# 210242 , Reply# 42   12/17/2012 at 10:02 (2,761 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        

There are and have been many good and great vacs but 2 of the best ever to clean a house are Hoover uprights and Electrolux tanks.Also easy to find supplies,parts service.Back to canisters I have Sears customers from the proverbial 'little old lady' to house cleaning services and sooner or later ALL seem to have some degree of problem with modern Kenmore and be very upset with Sears part/service pricing and system.As with many the plainer Sears have less problem areas.I still prefer the Electrolux and used a Golden J quite a bit this weekend for bookshelves,corners,etc.The newer Elux/Aerus wands can be used with Sidekick on hose or 1 or 2 wands unlike the hose only position of older style.You also get the swivel at Power Nozzle but it will wear with high milage.Some find the hose handle awkward.The above floor tool must use adapter.I prefer the older or 'classic'wands and attachments which are a fit all size.You can still easily swivel PN for under bed by placing toe on latch at elbo and rotate wand.I feel the atts are better than Miele,etc.(compare)The 4 ply self sealing bag is the BEST ever(AirWay was very close).There is no fixed or removable bag holder to fit into,lose or get in way.You open door,remove bag(using cardboard tab),drop in bag,close door.I would also challenge anyone to line up 10 bagless uprights,dump out dirt,find and remove multiple filters.Then drop in a clean 4 ply bag in Elux,vacuum up dirt,clean filters and continue cleaning with good suction.With Automatic Elux/Aerus it will shut off when it needs bag.After 5 bags change the after filter.This take about as long as changing bag(use stop watch and report your time).Filter reminder-Place filter on closet shelf,lay 5 bags on top of,use bags,then use filter.As with Sears the basic Aerus is simpler,lighter,easier and a Great vac.New is wonderful but you would probably still get an exellent vac such as the one above on EBay at a huge savings.Many others above should be good but consider dealers,quality,parts availability,small atts,no extra wands,etc.Also calculate bagless filter cost vs.saving and ease of Elux/Aerus.Happy Shopping,then Happy Vacuuming.

Post# 210335 , Reply# 43   12/18/2012 at 09:45 (2,760 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        

The Elux Power Nozzle motors have proved to be good quality.The few I have seen needing to be replaced were in commercial use,mostly on the discontinued but great CBs.More importantly the brush is always turning at proper speed with gear belt on both Power Nozzle & Sidekick.Let us imagine 2 vacs,1 with smooth flat belt & 1 with gear belt.Start with both in perfect condition and after cleaning for 10 minutes they jam on a sock hiding under bed,throw rug,etc.With the Elux--turn off,remove item from brush,press reset(Trivia-the very first PN-1 did not have reset),continue cleaning.With the smooth belt--turn off,open windows to air out burned rubber smell,remove item from brush,get spare belt,find tools,open PN,replace belt,close PN,replace tools,add spare belt to shopping list,continue cleaning.It is common for the Elux belt to last from 10 to 20 years.(The recent,but not newest Sears had a very similar belt but somehow it did not have as long a lifetime.--As mentioned above some carpet grooming can be from to stiff a brush that can wear carpet fibers.I have seen the Elux test lab on a tour of nearby factory and they ran various nozzles 24/7 on a mechanical arm.The difference in carpet wear on Elux(little)and others(much more)was dramatic.--Other features of plastic body Elux such as the LE styles are-suction adjuster on hose,no bag/no start with electric lock out switch,ability to use Power Nozzle at hose end as a sort of giant Sidekick for mattress,van,etc,and more.Options-For a complete Elux outfit to clean everything in a home make sure you have rug/floor(not just floor brush),add longer crevice tool in addition to short crevice that stores behind dust/upholstery on filter cover(something about the 1205 & newer Elux crevice makes it at least one of top 3 ever in my opinion),consider making longer standard hose if much of cleaning is without PN & SK,find the white dust brush & wall brush that was available starting with MoXXX(rare and now almost forgotton).

Post# 210564 , Reply# 44   12/19/2012 at 22:48 (2,759 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Rob Shore, Did you make a typo about the Kirby? I thought you are not a fan of Kirby.

Post# 210707 , Reply# 45   12/20/2012 at 22:44 (2,758 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        
My New Electrolux

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I just placed an order for this Silverado. I was thrilled to find it last night with the PN5 and in such great condition. At last I will have a decent PN canister, and a complete Electrolux at that. I've owned one other Lux canister in the past, a model G, but the hose leaked like crazy and I had no Lux PN to go with it. I'll probably order a 100 pack of C bags later next week. What can beat $36 for 100 bags?

Thanks everybody for your help. I'll update when it arrives.

Post# 210730 , Reply# 46   12/21/2012 at 10:11 (2,757 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        

If you are getting this exact machine in pic--Looks great(far above average),That hose works well and gives like new suction,It has slightly later,improver PN-6 with on/off switch,As you can tell from CW grommet will have the early good motor.Compared to the plastic body you have slightly more weight&no after filter but you do get CHROME.Bags--When I was with Elux bags came in packs of 12 or 26 as well as the box of 100 which many families with multiple vacs & businesses or churches liked.Was also good for the salesmen who made higher commision on more dollar volume.-Put a Christmas bow on it and Happy Vaccuming!

Post# 210731 , Reply# 47   12/21/2012 at 10:17 (2,757 days old) by vacuumfreak (Windsor, Ontario, Canada)        

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Where do you order the 100 bags for $36?? Thats really cheap even with shipping!

Daniel :-)

Post# 210770 , Reply# 48   12/21/2012 at 16:09 (2,757 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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The Silverado pictured is the exact machine I bought. The picture is straight from eBay.

You can find the 100 bags on both eBay and Amazon. I prefer to deal with Amazon myself, but eBay is the cheapest. See the attached link:

CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK on eBay

Post# 210785 , Reply# 49   12/21/2012 at 18:52 (2,757 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
Rob Gwisdala, that was not a typo.

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My message stated that several machines I tried that night groomed better than the Tri-Star MG Series which uses the Aerus made L-shaped power head. I am not the biggest fan of Kirbys but the Kirby did groom better than the TriStar that night.

On that carpet at another collectors house, the Sentria did a decent job.

However, in my house we have a very dense packed medium pile carpet. My aunt is highly particular and does not like to see foot prints, vacuum prints or any marks on rugs so she picked out this hard to groom carpet. However, some machines of mine actually groom it quite nicely, which I think is wonderful, because I LOVE VACUUM PRINTS!! So far the vacuums that groom it the best are
Hoover PowerMax Supreme canister
Eureka RotoMatic 1784B canister
Riccar 1700 canister

My Hoover Power Drive upright with a new agitator might groom it better. The agitator isn't bad and does well on other rugs but I think for this carpet it probably needs a new brush roller for a better job. Otherwise my other uprights do ok, but the 3 canister vacs above groom it the best.

Other vacs I've tried on the hard to groom rug that do mediocre but don't groom it quite well. Listed in no particular order: Kirby G4, Hoover Windtunnel Supreme with new CWP brush roll-- that brush roll is a disgrace to Hoover!!! Hoover Decade 80, Hoover Convertible, Eureka ESP, Dirt Devil Envision Wide Glide, CenTec CT14DX power nozzle, Bissell PowerForce bagged--this one grooms ok, Eureka Altima bagless, Kenmore Lime Green canister vac with CT20DXQD nozzle, Hoover Windtunnel Bagless with new CWP brush roll again terrible brush roll!!! Ruins performance of both Windtunnel uprights

Post# 210821 , Reply# 50   12/22/2012 at 02:06 (2,757 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming)        
Bag In The Back

I would be very cautious about using those cheap bags in your nice Electrolux silverado. (They are not Genuine Electrolux Bags) therefore they aren't made as good as the Genuine bags are. I learned the hardway using those bags. The fine dust goes right through them and into the motor.. I only use Genuine bags in all of my Electrolux Vacuums, and haven't had to replace a motor since. Just thought you would like to know....Dan

Post# 210867 , Reply# 51   12/22/2012 at 16:18 (2,756 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA)        

Rob Shore, That's good. The Kirby Diamond Edition/Sentria/Sentria II have a 4 row brushroll with stiff brushes. I wish this brushroll was available on the Pre-G-Series Kirbys.

Post# 211219 , Reply# 52   12/26/2012 at 14:55 (2,752 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
a little more

Nathaniel,A few more features you will find on your Electrolux-blower connection(that is no longer on deluxe sears & many more)and cordwinder(that can not be found on many $1000 plus vacs.--The cord has been changed in your above pic and should mean the winder is back to new condition.--Bags-It is true that genuine can be considered better and there have been some terrible generics.But I sell and also use in my bench vac and others for general cleaning,car,etc the FOUR ply seen above with good results.Do Not use 1 or 2 ply!Many bag problems are related to moisture,wet pick up and extreme fine(sheet rock,etc)dust.--But enough from me.When the sleigh,or big brown truck,brings it-unpack-clean house and let us hear your thoughts.--Merry Christmas-Jimmy

Post# 211226 , Reply# 53   12/26/2012 at 16:49 (2,752 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        
I once ordered

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from that Onestopvacstop on Ebay. It was a used Rainbow and it arrived in terrible condition. It looked awful and wasn't very clean and I was floored and not expecting that based on the reviews of the Ebay seller. I sent it back and ended up just buying a new one from Rainbow.

Post# 211228 , Reply# 54   12/26/2012 at 17:10 (2,752 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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That is terrible. Could it have been UPS's fault? This guy has got 100% positive feedback since 1999.

My package is moving at an extremely slow pace, even taking into account the multiple holidays. No update on the tracking number for over four days. I'll be updating when it arrives.

Post# 211511 , Reply# 55   12/28/2012 at 19:11 (2,750 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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That's what I thought too! But trust me, this was BAD! It wasn't UPS's fault. When I opened the box, it smelled like a dirty used machine. And it did work, but something was majorly wrong with it! Very little suction. I was baffled by the good reviews based on the item I had received. This was about 2005 when I ordered this. It was a D4 Rainbow. That's when I decided to just send it back and bought a brand new rainbow, which I don't regret.

Post# 211532 , Reply# 56   12/28/2012 at 21:05 (2,750 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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I don't blame you for returning that Rainbow D4. It could have been something as simple as calcium & limescale deposits build-up in the motor from the previous owner living in a hard-water area. But the Ebay seller should have serviced it thoroughly before selling it to you!

I guess this is one big reason I haven't been so fond of Ebay. Whenever you buy something used, you are potentially buying someone else's problem machine. I prefer actually seeing & trying out the vacuum first before buying it. Of course, this is just my opinion though....


Post# 211560 , Reply# 57   12/28/2012 at 22:58 (2,750 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Yea! I read the reviews and their Ebay store from top to bottom and had every belief that it would have been fully serviced. Do you know honestly what it looked like to me? Exactly like someone had a used Rainbow not serviced that someone had stored away in their basement for five years and then packed it decently in a box and shipped it off. It did run, but the suction was unbelievably bad. It had a funny smell as well. I think that a father/son run that business and I think I must have caught buying it at a bad time or something. They must sell good vacuums based on their reviews, but this was bad! I'm very careful dealing with Ebay. The only other vacuum I've bought off Ebay was from the user "fivestarvacs" out of Maine (I believe) and I even spoke to him on the phone. I first had bought a Renaissance vacuum from him and it looked fantastic and worked great, but the switch went out. He sent me a new hose, it went out as well. So I sent the entire vacuum back and traded it for an Epic 6500 he had and it looked fantastic when I received it to. He was a really nice guy and easy to deal with. My epic 6500 is still working great almost 2 years later.

Post# 211610 , Reply# 58   12/29/2012 at 11:12 (2,749 days old) by bagintheback (Flagstaff, Arizona)        

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fivestarvacs and Onestopvacstop is the same store! At least he fixes his problems, but I hope I don't run into any!

Post# 211644 , Reply# 59   12/29/2012 at 16:10 (2,749 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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Maybe I'm confused. The only I bought the bad Rainbow from was in South Carolina. The other shop was in Maine. I was sure the one in SC was called onestopvacshop, but maybe it was a similar name.

Post# 211645 , Reply# 60   12/29/2012 at 16:18 (2,749 days old) by mark40511 (Lexington, KY)        

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ONE (not only)

Yes, Topsham, Maine

That's the same store I got my Epic 6500 and Renny from. I was VERY HAPPY with my purchase from that store. I'm currently trying to find the store I'm talking about on Ebay. Found it

The user name is Dwightsale. I think back then on his profile page he called it onestopvacshop (at that time) this was in 2006. Here's the link. It looks like he has no items for sale.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO mark40511's LINK on eBay

Post# 259667 , Reply# 61   12/15/2013 at 19:51 (2,398 days old) by director12 ()        

If Eureka doesn't return to making bagged canisters with powerheads, then this means they are going the wrong way.

Post# 372835 , Reply# 62   5/28/2017 at 16:57 (1,138 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
a few comments on this thread

I actually found this thread really interesting since I'm a big fan of canisters. I think that Electrolux was a good choice, and you can pair the plastic and metal models with other power nozzles since the hose end and electrical connector are standard. Most of the power nozzles that are designed for central vacuums have a cord on the nozzle or on the lower wand. Just connect the cord to the connector on the hose and you're good to go, the only thing you may need is a short power nozzle extension cord and those can be ordered pretty easily. I actually have two plastic models, one uses the two stage motor and the other one is the current classic which uses the one stage motor. I prefer the two stage myself, some of this is personal preference, I just think it sounds better, the tone of the one stage motor just doesn't sound as good. Also, two stage motors are more efficient since the motor does not turn as fast, so I'm not sure why Aerus decided to switch motors, that was a case of fixing something that was not broken.

Post# 373775 , Reply# 63   6/13/2017 at 08:54 (1,122 days old) by Shrink1982 (Indianapolis)        

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I would disagree and say Sebo produces some great canister vacs. The ET-1 powerhead has a great brush roll. I have the D4 Premium but I would recommend the E3 Premium instead as it is powerful, uses the same PN, but is smaller and more compact. They are pricy but made like tanks. They are sealed, excellent filtration, and bags aren't as pricy as Miele. I would definitely recommend a Sebo over Miele.

Post# 373780 , Reply# 64   6/13/2017 at 09:41 (1,122 days old) by sebo4me (Cardiff)        

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The ET1 is an excellent PN. It's what I use in my home.
I agree with you about the E3 Premium fantastic cleaner.

Here in the UK I picked mine up for 225 which is fantastic value ,😊

Post# 373782 , Reply# 65   6/13/2017 at 10:04 (1,122 days old) by Shrink1982 (Indianapolis)        

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Sebo4m3, unfortunately, and E3 Premium will set you back about $800 in the US which is ridiculous.

Post# 373847 , Reply# 66   6/13/2017 at 22:51 (1,122 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

I think Sebo makes a great power nozzle, I know some people don't think it spins fast enough to really agitate the carpet, but I think these power heads have a great design, and like Sebo vacuums, they are built like tanks. I have a Sebo D1 which is the straight suction full sized canister, love it, Miele is also good, but if I could only have one or the other I would take the Sebo, I just think they are made a bit better. It does seem that Sebo vacuums are more expensive here compared to Europe, but they will last for years.

Post# 373991 , Reply# 67   6/15/2017 at 21:16 (1,120 days old) by mixman (Central NJ)        

Unfortunately, the ET-1 just does not work for my carpet. It does not spin fast enough and seems to get bogged down on certain areas of my carpet. This is why I will take Miele canisters any day over the Sebo canisters. At least with Miele you have choices of PN's. With Sebo you basically do not.

Post# 373997 , Reply# 68   6/15/2017 at 22:50 (1,120 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        
MixMan, I completely agree!!

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A few weeks ago at a vac shop I compared the Riccar Prima with dual row brush roll, full sized nozzle, Sebo K series with ET-1 power head and Miele C3 line with SEB 228 and SEB 236 power nozzles. The Miele won against all 4. The Miele power nozzles really created a sand storm on that carpet vibrating up pink sand. The Sebo ET-1 did not bounce the sand really at all. It performed terribly at cleaning up the sand. I used the Riccar Wonder to clean up what the Sebo missed.

The Sebo is a well built unit, that is quiet with reasonable filtration. Brush roll cleaning and maintenance beats anything else on the market. But if you want deep down cleaning, the Riccar and Miele have them beat!

Post# 374022 , Reply# 69   6/16/2017 at 09:37 (1,119 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
Ricccar and Miele

Riccar also makes great power nozzles, the volt is a great battery powered nozzle and from what Tom says, you can put a metal brush roller on it. The Miele power nozzles are rebranded Wessel Werk nozzles which are very good, especially the EBK360. At the vacuum convention last week, we hooked up my Sebo ET2 to the museum's central vacuum, and the nozzle seemed to gobble up the sand on the carpet like it was nothing. Apparently it does spin slower than other nozzles but I have no way to test that. Rob, didn't you say you thought the Lindhaus nozzle was similar to the Sebo as far as cleaning performance? I'm surprised the Prolux power nozzle worked as well as it did, most people consider that one to be a knock off of other nozzles. I may get that Galaxy power nozzle also, it sounds interesting. Back to the Riccar nozzles, apparently there is not much difference between the nozzle with two brush strips and the nozzle with three, I have the Riccar universal central vacuum nozzle, it has two brush strips and a metal brush roll, the metal rollers seem to be the best at agitating carpets.

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