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Post# 197584   8/27/2012 at 05:43 (2,782 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Just thought I'd see what Sebo Germany were up to, and it seems that they have updated their whole online site. 

 

www.sebo.de...

 

Also there's a new Limited Range of Sebo Felix models to view on this site with worldwide flags now forming the exhaust filter designs and the Crystal version. Thus, flags are available with the "Berlin," "Germany," and for the U.S fans, a Stars and Stripes version!!

 

Videos have also been uploaded on the site, including one for the recently introduced D series commercial cylinder vacuum.

 

 

 





Post# 197701 , Reply# 1   8/28/2012 at 07:28 (2,781 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The K3 Premium UK model has also been increased from 1800 watts to 2100 watts to match the K3 Vulcano.

 

There's also a redesigned Parquet nozzle for the Felix Premium but there are no photos for this as yet.


Post# 197730 , Reply# 2   8/28/2012 at 11:39 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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2100W for a Vacuum Cleaner ? Utter madness.

Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department to require such ridiculously high wattage motors to make the machines perform well.

And if they are doing it just to save face, well, that is just a sign of poor management.

I believe if Numatic ventured into the upright market and kept their tried and tested 1200W motors then they would blow Sebo out of the water, but that is just me.

Sorry if it sounds like I'm bashing Sebo, but I'm just stating what I see before me.


Post# 197775 , Reply# 3   8/28/2012 at 16:22 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, clearly as per usual your ignorance is nothing short of surprising. 

 

The 2100 watt models refer to the cylinder vacuums - I believe Hoover do offer the same wattage with Miele topping the highest at 2200 watts.

 

Clearly if you had bothered to research before you post, you'd have learnt that the Sebo uprights all have low watts - up to 1300 watts infact.

 

In the future check the info listed before making a judgement.

 


Post# 197781 , Reply# 4   8/28/2012 at 16:26 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Fact still stands Ryan, 2100W is TOO MUCH.

I don't care if Hoover do it too, as I've openly said in the past, I have no respect for Hoover as it stands these days, so you can't throw that at me.


Post# 197788 , Reply# 5   8/28/2012 at 16:38 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ill do what I like - you're not a moderator on here, and I'm fed up of you preaching about your ruddy Hoover Ranger. You seem to think that everyone has to have a Hoover or a vacuum with low power to make the grade - not so. 

 

As for high watts - vacuum cleaners do NOT produce high electricity charges - mind you, they may in your house since you appear to be OCD about vacuuming and have to do it every day. Give me some online evidence that shows a vacuum cleaner is costlier to run than an electric hob that uses 3000 watts - or even a high powered rapid boil kettle at 2500 to 3000 watts - appliances which I think, if you think about it, ARE used every day.

 

 


Post# 197792 , Reply# 6   8/28/2012 at 16:54 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh I'm not complaining for the cost of electricity, although as you rightly pointed out it probably would have an impact with my daily vacuuming (which keeps my carpets at optimum cleanliness and makes them last longer).

The reason for my complaining is because of the moral issues here.

I have a 1400W Electrolux Tango Z5001 bagged which has exceptional suction even with an almost full bag. Lets look a bit further... Oh yes, my 1200W Numatic Henry; it is fantastic and would suck blood from a stone right up until the bag is full to bursting.

If you want to go even lower, then look at the Numatic James with only 800 Watts! It has 250 Air Watts - incredible for any motor wattage, especially 800.

So my moral issue with it is, WHY DO WE NEED 2100 WATTS!?

Surely if we did Numatic wouldn't be selling their vacuums at the rate they are with gleaming reviews.


Post# 197797 , Reply# 7   8/28/2012 at 17:17 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Moral issues?? Well first of all you are quoting a Numatic - which is a commercial based vacuums - as are Sebo uprights. Those have lot watts for the industry. 

 

Daily vacuuming doesn't protect carpets - regardless of whether you are using a suction only tool or roller brush - and you're a fool to think otherwise. The more you daily vacuum, the more you'll wear out your carpets. Of course, again Jamie unless you have actually paid for a carpet yourself, you won't know the damage your incurring each time you suck out non-existent dirt. 

 

You so easily forget the other details that make other brands worthwhile. All of the SEBO cylinder vacuums can sit on a step and some of the models have a 2.4 metre hose - enough to satisfy those who like long hoses like Henry, yet Henry can't sit on steps - unless of course you have big luxurious steps wide enough to accomodate a large base floor plant in a pot. Which standard UK homes with a stair case have steps like that? Do any of the smaller cleaning tools fit on board Henry? No. The high powered vacuums by Sebo are also substantially lighter.

 

I note that the dust bags on your Tango measure 2 litres full capacity - the K series has a 3 litre dust bag perfect for small to medium homes. The K series is also far lighter than your Tango and has a hospital grade filter.

 

Also I doubt that your Henry can be easily carried or stored easily - as we all know its taken the best part of 30 odd years for Numatic to finally put a storage slot on the back of Henry to store the floor tool.

 

Frankly I don't mind a high powered vacuum - but one that is easy to use with everything that I need and one that works WITH ME gets my vote. 

 

 

 

 


Post# 197821 , Reply# 8   8/28/2012 at 18:17 (2,780 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Go Stars and Stripes!!!...But the Union Jack Felix looks a lot better, IMO.

Post# 197823 , Reply# 9   8/28/2012 at 18:29 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I actually like the Stars and Stripes one! If the Royale was made in black, I think the British flag would stand out more and conversely I think the Stars and Stripes in red would be far more powerful looking as a style statement.


Post# 197905 , Reply# 10   8/29/2012 at 02:12 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I'll address the issues in ascending order so as not to confuse you, us fools can confuse people easily you see.

You make reference to sucking up "non-existent" dirt, well I have to say that is not true.

When on the rare occasion I use a bagless Vacuum Cleaner there is always dirt sucked into the bin even when vacuuming a seemingly clean carpet.

I'm sure I don't have to explain to you that carpet clings onto air borne dust, the same type you see in a layer covering hard flooring after only a short time between brushing, or indeed vacuuming.

As for wearing out my carpets, well, I've been vacuuming daily for over a year now and the carpets are still A-OK. If they deteriorate, I shall let you know. However, I shall not stop daily vacuuming as I strongly believe I'm removing harmful dust (to you) and grit (to the carpet) by doing so.

Now, you say Henry cannot sit on conventional steps, which is 100% correct, however the carry handle allows for easy lifting to keep him with you as you go up the stairs, or if you so desire you can purchase a 5M hose for stair cleaning to get to the top without even MOVING Henry! And to fit that hose for stair cleaning purposes ? Well, the original one just unscrews from his "face" and the new one screws on - simples.

As for the Tango, well, it CAN sit on steps incredibly well actually, due to the fact it has a flat end and the exhaust is on the top so nothing is blocked off.

Hospital grade filtration ? That's great, but both Henry AND the Tango can be equipped with HEPA cloth bags.

You see, those two vacuums I mentioned, both low wattage, are brilliant machines and I'm sure if you tested them extensively enough, you'd find they would at least break even with the Sebo, or in my opinion (and that is all it is I assure you), beat it.


Post# 197912 , Reply# 11   8/29/2012 at 04:45 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
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There is so much wrong with this statement, I don't know where to start.

 

Firstly, the Sebo cylinders are all variable power cleaners. You have to remember Jamie, that the wattage stated by these cleaners is the maximum it can possibly use and will almost never reach that amount of power. Same deal with Miele cylinders which have a purposely "everyday" setting for optimum cleaning at the lowest wattage and noise level. Most Miele owners never need to go above this.

 

I agree completely with Ryan on this one, I'm afraid. You really need to stop bad-mouthing so many products all over the forum, especially (as in this case) when it's a cleaner you have not used and know nothing about. Do your research before posting comments like this.


Post# 197914 , Reply# 12   8/29/2012 at 04:48 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I strongly believe I'm removing harmful dust

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...using a dirty fan, softbag cleaner notorious for leaking fine dust particals back into the air? I don't think so.

 


Post# 197915 , Reply# 13   8/29/2012 at 04:49 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Sorry if it sounds like I'm bashing Sebo, but I'm ju

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without doing any research OR using the product. Thus making your entire point invalid.


Post# 197916 , Reply# 14   8/29/2012 at 05:01 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
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Jamie - is it really practical for an elderly owner to climb stairs with a heavy tube set, all 7kg of Henry and holding in one hand trying to clean a step - get real! Regardless of the long hose, at least the Sebo (and other compacts) can be sat nearby with tools on board as well as any other cleaning requirement.

 

Also 1400 watts back in the day was high power compared to rivals, Jamie. I recall wondering whether my 1300 watt Hoover Arrianne was too powerful at the time of purchase in 1998 compared to the 1000 watt Goblin Rio we had in a rented student flat share.  Its about time you stopped trying to promote what you already have and trying to compare it to more modern appliances. 

 

 


Post# 197917 , Reply# 15   8/29/2012 at 05:19 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, I know you love your oldies (don't we all), but the fact of the matter is a lot of the vintage machines we love would be considered impractical by todays standards - there are good reasons why the market changes.

 

Whilst I agree with you regarding the lower wattage of Henry, you have to bare in mind that it is a tub style cylinder and NOT a canister style cylinder - the suction will remain more consistent and stronger because of the larger surface area above the bag where the motor housing is. The Sebo cylinders on discussion here (as well as Miele and many other cylinders on todays market) have the motor below or behind the bag (like a clean air upright) and therefore is bound to require a more powerful motor to maintain performance.

 

Having owned an Electrolux Tango, I can assure you, the performance and build quality is nothing compare with the Sebo and Miele cylinders of the same style, but that is to be expected when one considers the price range that the Tango sold in.

 

I have told you this before in many threads, there are more factors to take into consideration with such discussions. When it comes to vacuums, very little can be taken at face value as those of us who have been here for a while have learnt. There are both good and bad factors to every cleaner on the market and the sooner you learn this and stop openly bad-mouthing without any real point, the better.

 

I'm not trying to be rude and I'm not slagging you off at all, but there is a limit and your comments on this thread are beyond a joke.  


Post# 197919 , Reply# 16   8/29/2012 at 06:35 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Chris, I know that the wattage can be turned down, but the fact is, why is there an option to have it so stupidly high in the first place ? With good design, even though it is a cylinder and not a "tub" vacuum as you so rightly stated, it should not need that many watts to provide superb suction.

It is just not necessary, surely people can see that!?

Actually Chris, I only use my soft bagged Vacuum Cleaners once or twice a week, for everyday cleaning I use my Turbopower 2 and 1000 (as I believe I told you, the motor for the TP1000 is bought I'm just waiting to get it now), both of which have good filtration with Genuine Hoover bags, two pre-motor filters and a micro exhaust filter.

So actually, I AM removing the dust and keeping it away, minus the small amount which manages to escape the bag, pre-motor filters and finally the exhaust filter, which I don't imagine is much.

As for elderly people struggling, I do believe they would with Henry, but quite frankly in my opinion they would struggle with ANY average weight Vacuum Cleaner which is why I would advise a handheld vacuum for stairs and a lightweight upright for carpets.

Though, opinions differ, we wouldn't be human otherwise.


Post# 197926 , Reply# 17   8/29/2012 at 07:16 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, you have missed the point entirely and read into my post only what you wanted to.


Post# 197930 , Reply# 18   8/29/2012 at 07:34 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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In that case I don't know what I was supposed to have read because I thought I understood fine.

Post# 197932 , Reply# 19   8/29/2012 at 07:58 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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My point was not against your opinion, or saying that you are not entitled to it. You should know by now that varying opinions are more than welcome on here, as long as they are appropriately discussed. The thing I object to is the blurting out of opinions as though it's a fact AND posting in discussions where you know nothing about the topic, have not done adequate research on the topic before posting and have no experience of using the product.

 

As Ryan quite rightly pointed out, the Sebo upright cleaners are all low wattage - my x1.1 is only 1150w and my Mums Felix is 1300w. There are also a whole host of other postive and negative points to be made about Sebo cleaners (such as high filtration, quiet motors, the air belt bumpers, ease of use, weight, cost and the successful history of the company) but instead of taking any of this into account or bothering to discuss these, you went straight ahead and started slagging off Sebo for using high wattage motors.

 

"Sebo are obviously lacking in the design department"

 

(Apologies for my choice of language) The above statement is a load of bollocks. Computer controled height adjustment, S-Class Hospital Grade filtration, the unique filter setup of the Automatic X, first "swivel neck" on the market, air belt bumbers to protect furniture (infact, the shape of the D series is designed to that it won't get stuck on any furniture or doorframes in use), the block check door on the X range and not to mention the most important and succesful of Sebo's designs, the 350 was the first upright EVER to feature an on-board hose.

 

Lacking in design? I think not. A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine.


Post# 197936 , Reply# 20   8/29/2012 at 08:10 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"A higher wattage motor certainly does NOT equal a poorly designed machine." Well if it is well designed, it should not need 2100 watts! I'm sorry Chris, I have great respect for you and know you are more knowledgeable than I, but I just can't fathom it! Especially as the uprights are low wattage and perform excellently (as you've told me).

I am not wholly against upping the motor wattage to achieve better cleaning results, but what I am against is upping it to the point of going too far.

I have a Panasonic MC-E8011 as I'm sure I've mentioned, which is a bagless cylinder and has a 1800W motor. The high wattage IS required in that application due to the fact that it has a poor cyclone design (not Panasonic's fault to be fair, since Dyson held all the good cyclone patents back in 2004), but if the Sebo is a bagged unit, there should be no such issues to overcome with sheer power.

Perhaps you could elucidate a little on my queries.

I do hope I haven't tarnished my name with my previous statements, I was only saying what I saw and to me they make perfect sense, though, perhaps not very well thought out, for that I apologise.


Post# 197937 , Reply# 21   8/29/2012 at 08:15 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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On the subject of lower wattages, it IS happening. It has to. See link below. Although I feel 500w and 750w is slightly excessive, I agree with the principal.

Jamie, we've had many great conversations and I have absolutely nothing against you - please don't think that because I disagree with you here that my opinion of you will change.



CLICK HERE TO GO TO Turbo500's LINK

Post# 197941 , Reply# 22   8/29/2012 at 08:29 (2,780 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I must say I think the motors in the felix sound very cheap compared to there x series machines, and god knows why they are so many watts because they don't have that much more suction than an x series machine which is a lot lower wattage.
I personally don't like the felix, I find it heavy and hard to manouver, I much prefere the x series as they are lighter to use but they never touch the floor peoperly.
The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used.


Post# 197945 , Reply# 23   8/29/2012 at 08:37 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"The turbopower 2 is the best clean air I have ever used." Even opposed to your Sebo ?

Well well...


Post# 197947 , Reply# 24   8/29/2012 at 08:42 (2,780 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Yh, sebos are very overated in my opinion, they are good but they are not the best, I am sorry but that os just my view. My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do.

Post# 197948 , Reply# 25   8/29/2012 at 08:45 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
My mums X4 does nothing my turbopower 2 doesn't do

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Apart from having stronger suction, higher filtration, better build quality, computer controled height adjustment, lifetime guarunteed belts, larger top-fill bags and a far better design less prone to blockages


Post# 197949 , Reply# 26   8/29/2012 at 08:47 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That's because the Sebo doesn't have the... ACTIVATOR! :)

Post# 197950 , Reply# 27   8/29/2012 at 08:47 (2,780 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
sebos are very overated in my opinion

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So, going out to buy a new vacuum, what would you rather own? They're by far the best on the market today. Really, the only decent brands worth buying these days are Sebo, Miele, Bosch/Siemens (which also includes John Lewis own brand cylinders) and Dyson if you want bagless.


Post# 197955 , Reply# 28   8/29/2012 at 09:03 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I think what he means is on the scale of clean fan Vacuum Cleaners there are better than Sebo.

Well, for me I'd rather have a Numatic, but you already guessed that didn't you ? :)

Sure, that isn't an upright, but with an Airobrush it can be just as good as the modern uprights with basic brush rolls, as long as you don't let the bag get too full of course or the turbine will stop spinning.


Post# 197956 , Reply# 29   8/29/2012 at 09:05 (2,780 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Better build quality, please, there is hardly a difference in the quality of the x4 and the turbopower 2!
The computer controlled adjustment which can not make it's mind up wheater it wants to dig into the bottom of the carpet or hover above it, stronger suction maybe but what is the point in stronger suction if it hardly touches the carpet, it is like a panasonic upright for heavens sake.
slightly bigger bags which are more expensive than turbo 2 bags, I have never had my turbo 2 block and who gives a monkeys about high filtration, as long as it is not blowing an apocalyps of dust out the vents, then it is good enough, a vacuum is a vacuum not an air purifier.

Give me a turbopower 2 anyday! :)


Post# 197960 , Reply# 30   8/29/2012 at 09:14 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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HEAR HEAR ALEX!

Post# 197961 , Reply# 31   8/29/2012 at 09:20 (2,780 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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If I was buying a new vac these days I would by a Dyson DC41, they offer more convenient features than a sebo, like longer reach wand, easier maneuverability, longer hose, brush on/off and active base plate for CONSTANT contact with any floor surface.

Post# 197963 , Reply# 32   8/29/2012 at 09:24 (2,780 days old) by jakesvacs ()        

As much as I do love sebo I find they never touch the floor good enough to provide deep cleaning that they could easily manage. Mine has hardly been used so maybe its because the brushroll is still lengthy meaning the head will not adjust lower to compensate for brushroll wear which may increase cleaning ability because the suction is closer to the carpet. Its good on hardfloor and certain carpets but I would say a dyson could out perform it.
The Sebo felix is a different story, their brushroll's make great contact with the floor because of their basic manual height adjustment so they can pick up great.
Perhaps if Sebo made the x4 touch control near the top of the bag compartment so you can choose how low it goes. Tiny bit like a Dyson Dc28.


Post# 197985 , Reply# 33   8/29/2012 at 10:56 (2,780 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Alex Im not entirely sure how you've picked up on some fact that the Felix has a higher motor than the X series = there are two X models - and not available elsewhere in the world - the X1.1 has a 1150 watt motor whilst the flagship has a 1300 watt motor - same with the Felix 1300 watt motor. 

 

For those who need manual carpet adjustment, they'll find it harder to manage - a reason to why Sebo UK stopped production of the manual height control fitted Sebo G1 series. The auto sensor head on the X as you know lessens the weight from the handle - frankly over my TP2s series which I owned for many years (and also thought it was the best clean air upright on the market) my mind was changed as soon as I triedt a Sebo X1! The Sebo X1 Automatic is like a progressive step up from a Hoover Turbopower series 2 and 3 - a very similar design - and yet much lighter to handle, far more suction from its better made sealed suction design and unlike the Hoover models, a darn sight easier to take apart or inspect for blockages should it ever arise. I could never steer a Hoover TP2 or 3 with just a pinch of my fingers on the handle - you can with a Sebo X.

 

Alex - Sebo uprights are the best - they were rated number 1 by Which UK. That says a lot for the consumers who report back their findings as opposed to single opinions. Hoover TP2 and 3 series are hard plastic bodied uprights, made strong but not as strong as Sebo's X models - if they had an auto sensor like Sebo, then yes perhaps they would be closer in feel to the Sebo X.

 

Secondly, the so called Hoover Activator has been known to damage hard floors because of its tufts of plastic - anyone with an open mind could see that - the Sebo brush roll lacks the activator, yet still manages to groom a carpet as good as a Hoover. If its good enough for Buckingham Palace and the White House, its good enough for my home!

 

Jamie - an airbrush on a Henry compared to a modern upright with a basic brush roll - no comparison and also for the fact that Sebo uprights have a bag indicator that shows you when the bag is full. That's another reason to why Sebo have high power - it gives more power to the air turbo brushes and less likely to slow down as the bag starts to near its life.

 


Post# 197989 , Reply# 34   8/29/2012 at 11:03 (2,780 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh the Activator can damage hard floors, of course it can, but who would use an upright on hard flooring ? Not me, nor you I'd hope to think.

If you adjust the height to the hard flooring setting (which I wouldn't recommend due to poor performance) then it won't damage it at all. In saying that, it won't do anything either!


Post# 197996 , Reply# 35   8/29/2012 at 11:13 (2,780 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I understand your comments ryan but for me, I never like using sebo's they do't feel like they are doing anything. The X4 doesn't do much for my carpet, it can't stay in contact with the floor correctly to clean it correctly. The sebo brand are just not really for me, I never liked the X4 when I tried it and that really put me off sebo, I have never been let down by a Hoover, kirby or numatic, although I am not into numatics now I think they are really good cylinders second to miele.


Post# 198006 , Reply# 36   8/29/2012 at 11:49 (2,779 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Interesting view, Alex but have you ever owned a Miele vacuum? I looked at your profile and see that you don't have one listed. Therefore it is impossible to judge by others opinions alone. Id say they're better than Numatic in a lot of respects but I also like Numatic because they make simple machines for the commercial market with better sealed motors and that's where my experience of them stems from well before I bought my own Charles machine. 

 

Physically of course Numatic can't be compared to Miele with their appliances and like Sebo, Numatic produce nothing but floor care appliances and associated equipment dedicated to the cleaning industry.

 

Jamie - I clean hard floors with my Sebo uprights - both the X and the Felix. Both are designed to clean hard floors anyway - and they both do without damage. 


Post# 198009 , Reply# 37   8/29/2012 at 12:08 (2,779 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well personally I don't like pulling an upright back and forth on hard flooring, it feels wrong!

Post# 198016 , Reply# 38   8/29/2012 at 13:13 (2,779 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Oh well, you'd have a hard time with a Hoover polisher then!


Post# 198019 , Reply# 39   8/29/2012 at 13:21 (2,779 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
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Ever seen a Sebo with a split bagged door? The T2, 3 and 1000 were a nightmare for the door splitting inwards. Also the poor, narrow designs of the internal air ducts mean that they're also prone to blockages. Again, something that was addressed on Sebo cleaners. As for your comments about the auto height adjuster, I've never had a problem with mine. Apart from the initial few seconds when it's adjusting, it remains in constant contact with all my floor types, including a rather uneven, low pile carpet on my landing. 


Post# 198024 , Reply# 40   8/29/2012 at 13:25 (2,779 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I have to say Chris I've never seen a TP2/3/1000 in my LIFE with a cracked bag door.

Yes, it does happen, but only if it is used repeatedly with a full bag, which is rare as the bag full light comes on before damage to the door could occur.


Post# 198036 , Reply# 41   8/29/2012 at 15:15 (2,779 days old) by borusa (Edinburgh)        

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was just looking at your impressive colllection list on your profile Sebofan - wow :-)

Post# 198045 , Reply# 42   8/29/2012 at 16:05 (2,779 days old) by thekirbylover (Warrington, cheshire )        
turbopower 2 all the way

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i have the felix royale and i loved it when i first got it, but now eughh for a start no dusting brush, and the hose hardly even stretches and it always falls over when im using the tools, the bags are tiny and fill up quickly and it is heavy to use, and the height ajustment hardly moves the head, also its like an industrial room heater, yes it has good suction and average performance and amazing filteration, but i dont find myself sneezing after use of the turbopower 2 and i have allergies

Post# 198047 , Reply# 43   8/29/2012 at 16:32 (2,779 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        
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I have heard of the bag door splitting but I have NEVER seen a turbopower 2 with a split bag door before, mine however has a stress line in the lower center part of the bag door, when you cover the hose a slight line of stress shows up, but I have inspected it and doesn't look like it will break, but we'll see.
Over all though you have to agree that the quality isn't terribly different, it is british made and it is Hoover......


Post# 198065 , Reply# 44   8/29/2012 at 19:11 (2,779 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Turbopower 2 in the U.S??

 

For a start they don't come with a HEPA filter, so how it can filter out allergens is beyond me. I had a few of these, so I know. The highest filter they sported was a microfilter with a black carbon filter underneath to protect the motor.

 

As for the Felix, the fan runs high if you constantly put it to the highest setting - but it doesn't require it - but I find it was much quieter than the older 1000 watt TP2 U2464 Autosense in its highest cleaning mode. I am surprised that you found the manual adjuster to be of no use - I find it handles so easily on the fourth and third setting and always picks up first time. Unlike the TP2/3 series, the Felix feels a lot lighter to push. It is also marketed as a small to medium home vacuum, hence the 3.5 litre dust bag and the short 3 metre hose - if you want bigger you'd have to buy the X series and the user manual does suggest that you hold onto the vacuum when using the hose to avoid it falling over. The Felix bag capacity versus the TP2/3 is 2 litres smaller - so no wonder you felt that the bags were small.

 

Also, the reason why no dusting brush comes with it as standard is simply because it was designed to be used with just the two tools you do get and you can buy the optional dust brush if you really require it. I wish I could say that my TP2's didn't fall over when the hose was used, but they did - so the Felix and the TP2 is really no different where hose trips are concerned despite the hose on the Hoover models being longer. 

 

Again though, its comparing a vacuum built in the middle of the 1990s to a vacuum that was launched in 2005. The TP2 doesn't have the possibility of changing floor heads or the fact that it can be used with a shoulder strap as a hand held. Thus, it isn't really fair to compare a conventional upright vacuum that has one use compared to the Felix which offers versatile cleaning uses - and other optional floor heads - or for the very fact that it has a auto stop brush stop button, a brush roll stop incase anything gets stuck and to top it all off, a swivel built in to get around corners. 

 

You wouldn't compare a vintage Hoover to a Vorwerk stick with a PN -  but that's exactly what the Felix's main rival is.




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Post# 198103 , Reply# 45   8/30/2012 at 03:01 (2,779 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Firstly Ryan, "thekirbyfan" isn't actually in Hollywood, he's in England I believe.

Secondly, a 3 metre flex on a Sebo!?

Are you sure ?

I don't know why ANYBODY would buy something these days that has a flex HALF the length of my Hoover Senior's, which is just on the line of being too short.

No, if that is correct, I shall never be buying one of those, that is ridiculous.


Post# 198104 , Reply# 46   8/30/2012 at 03:02 (2,779 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah, I apologise, upon reading for a second time you said 3 metre HOSE.

Sorry about that.


Post# 198111 , Reply# 47   8/30/2012 at 03:37 (2,779 days old) by richardlee1985 (Swindon, Wiltshire)        

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I really like the new SEBO Germany website. Nice to see an arial photo of the factory. The factory looks so much bigger than when i visited in 2003.

Post# 198114 , Reply# 48   8/30/2012 at 04:08 (2,779 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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See how quick you judge a post when you've misread it and then put an opinion that antagonises people?

 

The Felix and X comes with a 9.5 metre length cord and 12 metres on each - quite frankly far more than your Senior can ever hope to have unless you have gone to the bother of fitting a longer cord yourself. Also, don't you have to go to the bother of looking the fitting out and then fitting the pan convertor and associated hose to the Senior each time you want to clean with it? Nah, I like everything on board. Far quicker and less bulk.

 

 


Post# 198117 , Reply# 49   8/30/2012 at 04:15 (2,779 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"Nah, I like everything on board. Far quicker and less bulk." So do I, which is why a Turbopower 2 is my daily cleaner.

I did apologise for my mistake, we are not machines like our Vacuum Cleaners Ryan, we are humans who make mistakes. For that I cannot apologise, nobody can.


Post# 198151 , Reply# 50   8/30/2012 at 10:45 (2,779 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes that was in reference to the Henry vacuum AND the Senior you commented on. Don't try and add another model to save your grace.


Post# 198154 , Reply# 51   8/30/2012 at 11:31 (2,778 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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What, like my... Electrolux 502S ?

Post# 198155 , Reply# 52   8/30/2012 at 11:36 (2,778 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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OH FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, WILL YOU BOTH GIVE IT UP!!!!!!


Post# 198157 , Reply# 53   8/30/2012 at 11:42 (2,778 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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OK, Chris, I think Ryan now knows that any Sebo is nothing compared to a Hoover Senior now anyway, so that is finished :)

(That was sarcasm by the way).


Post# 198161 , Reply# 54   8/30/2012 at 12:07 (2,778 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, what I am about to say, I say with love, compassion and the spirit of true brotherhood....

 

 

SHUT THE HELL UP. 

 

You both obviously rattle eachother's cages and you are doing yourself no favours by mouthing off. Give it a rest!


Post# 198162 , Reply# 55   8/30/2012 at 12:17 (2,778 days old) by borusa (Edinburgh)        

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Well said Chris :-) (said with with love, compassion and the spirit of true brotherhood as well) I think just agree to disagree

Post# 198166 , Reply# 56   8/30/2012 at 12:34 (2,778 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I think just agree to disagree

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Completely. The rest of us seem to get on fine, despite differing opinions, therefore WHY is it so impossible for there to be some sort of middle ground here? 

 

 


Post# 198168 , Reply# 57   8/30/2012 at 12:49 (2,778 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Of course there is a middle ground; lawn mowers.

No wait, I'm getting confused again...


Post# 198174 , Reply# 58   8/30/2012 at 13:32 (2,778 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The problem with Jamie is he thinks he knows it all. Yet how can one know it all at just 17 years of age?

 

 


Post# 198177 , Reply# 59   8/30/2012 at 13:43 (2,778 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
Yet how can one know it all at just 17 years of age?

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How can one know it all at ANY age? There is always room for knowledge to grow on any subject and new things to be learnt. No one person knows everything about everything.


Post# 198178 , Reply# 60   8/30/2012 at 13:48 (2,778 days old) by turbomaster1984 (Ripley, Derbyshire)        
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I often wonder if Sebo like Henry could use the Felix as a model in which to personalise for corporate or personal use.

The Felix strikes me as being quite a manly piece of kit with the head changing capability and what with the filter/decoration to the external I do think it would be possible to make it appeal to classic car collectors and such.
Not to mention its ability and flexibility.

I know a couple of car collectors whom buy literally anything if its associated with a certain car and of use in and around the car.

Perhaps members from such sites as....

Fordownersclub
forums.mg-rover.org
cardomain.com
landyzone.co.uk etc
may like the idea

Logo's. colour schemes, various images could be used on a personal level.

I wonder if Sebo have thought about appealing to the BOYS with TOYS market.

Then there is the Caravan collectors too. Ideal again.

Rob


Post# 198181 , Reply# 61   8/30/2012 at 13:59 (2,778 days old) by Sanifan ()        

...well, I looked over the new offerings and I think this has to be the coolest vacuum I've seen.

I love the graphic. So playful and fun! I love that Sebo are getting creative with their graphics. Such a refreshing change from the norm.

Can you buy just the filter cloth with the graphic? I wonder how it would look on the orange Felix Fun body.


Post# 198182 , Reply# 62   8/30/2012 at 14:04 (2,778 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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TBH Rob I never really gave that thought any grounds for personalisation. I think for the fact that you can get different colours and different covers, personal enough, but then I can see what you are thinking and that's a good idea.

 

I was also wondering the same thing, Sanifan with regard to whether the covers would be available as an optional spare - but I doubt it - mind you, in time the flag covers and everything else will probably be available but not any time soon. Possibly a year or so may pass before optional covers are available - though it wouldn't hurt SEBO in the long run to open up a new market for exhaust cover designs. They already sell current and the fun model exhaust covers on site as well as the Dart's original grey/black pattern.

 


Post# 198183 , Reply# 63   8/30/2012 at 14:06 (2,778 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Chris - Im not mocking his age - but merely pointing out - and as you have done previously - that JM doesn't contribute proper posts; not without antagonising others, any way.


Post# 198269 , Reply# 64   8/30/2012 at 18:08 (2,778 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"How can one know it all at ANY age?"

As you said, knowledge always expands, hopefully as one grows older, thus becoming wiser.

Post# 198515 , Reply# 65   9/1/2012 at 07:33 (2,777 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Knowing it all at any age is impossible, it is the matter in which reflective, responsive posts that are made that should be thought about before making judgements.

Post# 198520 , Reply# 66   9/1/2012 at 07:47 (2,777 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I believe nothing is infallible in this world, except maybe Jesus Christ, but that depends on whether you "believe" or not.

Post# 198543 , Reply# 67   9/1/2012 at 12:16 (2,776 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
hmmmmmmmmmmmm so......

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bagged or bagless?
Safely nestled in the Pocono Mountains of Pennsylvania.
I'm staying out of this. Perhaps we should talk about something 'lighter'... say, maybe CANCER! I'll never bash any of these, never ran one, never owned one. I'd just hate to see friendships burst into flames here.


Post# 198550 , Reply# 68   9/1/2012 at 12:28 (2,776 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, you know the consequences of flames don't ya John ?

Don't worry, I'm sure it won't happen again, even if Electrolux IS better than Hoover :)


Post# 198646 , Reply# 69   9/1/2012 at 21:55 (2,776 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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OH here we go again!

Post# 198669 , Reply# 70   9/2/2012 at 05:51 (2,776 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Come on Ryan, surely I made it blantantly obvious I was joking lightheartedly ?

If not, I really should rethink my grammar.


Post# 198682 , Reply# 71   9/2/2012 at 08:38 (2,776 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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So anyway, does anyone know if there are other brands out there who do a similar thing - i.e have flags on their vacuums other than the latest ranges from Sebo?


Post# 198687 , Reply# 72   9/2/2012 at 10:09 (2,776 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Riccar did a USA flag on there one model.

Post# 198690 , Reply# 73   9/2/2012 at 10:35 (2,776 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Years ago Oreck and Dyson both did a Pink version with ribbons on it to support Susan J. Komen Breast Cancer Society in the U.S.

Electrolux in U.S. has a line made of recycled plastics that were found off trash in our oceans. They state it as a way to deter people from treating our worlds gorgeous oceans as garbage dumps.

Maybe we could have sports teams themed vacuums. A Philadelphia Phillies Cliff Lee Jersey Hoover Canister. Pittsburgh Pirates vacuum cleaner. Or favorite foods-- a Pepperoni Pizza vacuum. LOL!!!


CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK


Post# 198692 , Reply# 74   9/2/2012 at 10:54 (2,776 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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Not trying to stir up any trouble, but I found several cylinder/ canister vacuums abroad, as I live in the U.S. with motors over 2100 watts. Yes there were some at 1300 and 1400 but many were around 2000/2200. Even found one on Amazon.co.uk with 3000 Watts a Puregadgets Vortex. Here are other examples, all of which are cylinder canisters and NONE have an electric power nozzle, which the Sebo does:
Hoover Rush TCR4237 2300 Watts
Electrolux Twin Tech ZT7740 2100 Watts
Dirt Devil High Power Bagged DCC004-01 2500 Watts
Vax Pure Power 7 Total Home C89-P7N-T 2400 Watts
Miele S3810 Power Plus 2200 Watts
---majority of Miele canisters S8, S6 series are 2200 Watts
Bosch- Several models 2200 Watts
Siemens VS06G2410 2400 Watts

Therefore I see nothing out of place with a Sebo at 2100 Watts. I am curious if the 2100 is only available on the Airbelt Premium line to include the ET-1 power nozzle?

Sebo is the only manufacturer I came across so far with a power nozzle! The power nozzle available as an option for Numatic looks more like a toy to me. Never used it, but its appearance is that is low powered and not well designed for deep cleaning carpets but instead just to help remove surface dirt like pet hair.


Post# 198705 , Reply# 75   9/2/2012 at 12:51 (2,775 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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In the UK the 2100 watt models apply to all but the base red K1 Airbelt model (there are currently five models such as the K1 Airbelt, K1 Komfort, K1 Pet, K3 Vulcano & K3 Premium) which has an 1800 watt model. There was an Eco model a few years ago but it didn't sell much (1500 watt motor). The original argument here was stemmed from a cylinder vacuum like the K1 that has 2100 watts - Miele offer an extra 100 watts more on their S4, S5 and S6 range, so its not as if Sebo are out on a limb here - and that's without the 175 watt electric nozzle added on top. It would be interesting to know what wattage the 300 mm electric head on the Henry is.

 


Post# 198776 , Reply# 76   9/2/2012 at 18:07 (2,775 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
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i think we have a case of bvld here BIG VAC LITTLE DICK grow up both of you i bet all your vacs have massive stereos built in and blue lights underneath

Post# 198834 , Reply# 77   9/3/2012 at 02:26 (2,775 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well there is something I didn't expect to read over my morning coffee.

And no my vacuums are all 100% original with no stereos to answer your inane insinuation.


Post# 198855 , Reply# 78   9/3/2012 at 05:40 (2,775 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Talking of 100% original, and this isn't a dig, but what colour should the face panel of your rare, blue Junior U1104 have?


Post# 198888 , Reply# 79   9/3/2012 at 11:44 (2,774 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I haven't a clue, but not white :)

Well spotted.


Post# 198939 , Reply# 80   9/3/2012 at 15:31 (2,774 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well I think you'll find that it may be cream/beige


Post# 198958 , Reply# 81   9/3/2012 at 16:56 (2,774 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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But none of them match my U1104.

Post# 199003 , Reply# 82   9/3/2012 at 21:51 (2,774 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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This one does.


Post# 199050 , Reply# 83   9/4/2012 at 02:59 (2,774 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah - brilliant, thank you.

I will keep an eye out for a black face plate then and also a genuine bag come to think of it.





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