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Post# 180537   5/10/2012 at 14:25 (2,883 days old) by GM1982 ()        

Which of the three brands overall for durability, ease of use, longevity, maneuverability and housekeeper friendly?




Post# 180558 , Reply# 1   5/10/2012 at 18:18 (2,882 days old) by LuxLover (Halifax NS Canada)        

i my self would say areus electrolux, there very tought made of heavy duty and there not plastic my local areus dealer said there made of high impact polycarbonate the same thing they uses for the hull of space ships. so its deffently has the durability factor, the only con i can see is canister vac's arnt the most practual if you have to lug them allot.

Post# 180603 , Reply# 2   5/11/2012 at 00:18 (2,882 days old) by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Um AERUS totally. I bought a new one in 2003 and have never had a problem with it.

Post# 180626 , Reply# 3   5/11/2012 at 08:16 (2,882 days old) by GM1982 ()        

I have used a few different kinds of vacuums, no happy medium...Oreck upright, Hoover and a Miele. My housekeeper seems to not like using any of the machines we have, with the exception of the Miele Delphi Canister, which I brought to my summer home unfortunately. She uses the Oreck now, and is not thrilled. I don't know what to use in a two story townhome with half carpets and half hardwood flooring. The cleaning lady says she likes a canister. While I don't mind them, I find the upright quicker/easier to use when she is not around, but doesn't get under everything obviously. With Aerus, we have dealers that are few and far between, guess looking online might be the way to go, since they seem to be very very expensive brand new.

Post# 180632 , Reply# 4   5/11/2012 at 09:17 (2,882 days old) by Smith (North Carolina)        

As an Aerus dealer I am somewhat biased. However I would have to say Aerus as well. Nobody beats our service. Who else does free pickup and delivery of supplies and repairs? Of course I don't know how close you are to a store, but there should be one somewhat close by. The warranties are some of the best in the industry, and Aerus really stands behind their products.

Post# 180662 , Reply# 5   5/11/2012 at 17:44 (2,881 days old) by GM1982 ()        

Yes there is a dealer about 20 min away, however, I know these are good quality machines but I've never heard of them delivering supplies or picking up for service. At least the location I have visited. Nothing intrigued me about the design either, but performance I will give it five stars. Warranty, yes, probably the best I've heard of next to Miele, which is another brand I am familiar with, but the powerhead on those are not as strong for carpeting.

Post# 180666 , Reply# 6   5/11/2012 at 18:49 (2,881 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        

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Post# 180667 , Reply# 7   5/11/2012 at 19:04 (2,881 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
aerus,miele or sebo

Sorry guys. I got this on the wrong thread!

Post# 180670 , Reply# 8   5/11/2012 at 19:39 (2,881 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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Aerus out of the three Aerus is the best I have the newest Guardian Ultra. I love it and I own many other Aerus/Electrolux vacuums . My family has owned Aerus for many years and have never had a problem . Yes they all pick up and deliver parts bags machines ect. Can`t beat the old fashioned service that no other manufacture does that.Try eBay very good prices I have purchased many machines there new and used .
Upright or canister they are excellent choices.


Post# 180678 , Reply# 9   5/11/2012 at 20:45 (2,881 days old) by GM1982 ()        

Aerus it is!

Post# 180691 , Reply# 10   5/12/2012 at 05:35 (2,881 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Evidently AERUS then - our Sebo X1 Automatic lasted 15 years and has since gone on for another 4 years with a family friend. Their uprights are well made, used as daily drivers.

Post# 180694 , Reply# 11   5/12/2012 at 08:34 (2,881 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Aerus,Miele,Sebo

I think I would vote for the Aerus too on the basis of:

(1) durability
(2) easy,simple to use
(3) cost of bags and filters

I am sure our Aerus dealer still gives free pick up and delivery of bags and supplies. I was NOT impressed with the Miele power nozzle in the store but to be fair I have not used one on my own carpets and you would want to take into consideration the short hose on the Miele. I think I would go for an Aerus also if I knew someone else was going to be using the machine. Our Aerus (Lux) has taken falls down a flight of stairs and out the side of the truck onto a cement floor when cleaning the truch with no damage. (I was not using it at the time!)
That is JUST a personel opinion. I have never used the Sebo.
No contest the Aerus is louder than the Miele so that might play into the final choice too.


Post# 180698 , Reply# 12   5/12/2012 at 10:16 (2,881 days old) by GM1982 ()        
Thanks...

I did notice that with the Aerus, it was louder. I find the Miele quiet and more modern looking, however, the shorter hose was noticeable as was the lack of larger power head for wall to wall carpeting use. I believe the Miele is quite durable too, there was website says the do testing to insure quality. I was very impressed with the S7, but its an upright.

Post# 180703 , Reply# 13   5/12/2012 at 11:32 (2,881 days old) by Smith (North Carolina)        

Aerus makes a "muffler" that sits inside the blower under the Afterfilter or Hepa filter that does cut down on the noise some. The older machines did not have it but the new ones do. The part number is 49293.

Post# 180778 , Reply# 14   5/13/2012 at 05:13 (2,880 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The only machine that SEBO had in the U.S was the C canister vacuum for many years that used the same dust bag as the Windsor Sensor. Quite a few U.S members on You Tube have put videos of the C2.1, C3 etc and then there was the K compact canister. I'd say the C canister is the stalwart SEBO canister of choice, even though the new D series has effectively replaced it.

Post# 180788 , Reply# 15   5/13/2012 at 08:04 (2,880 days old) by Blackheart (North Dakota)        
After giving it some thought

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I would have to agree with the majority in terms of usage the Guardian Ultra is the most simple to use, and when you are dealing with outside parties is great. I like the idea of the Sebo too though my experiences with them are fairly limited i feel that they are very well built and clean well.

Post# 180856 , Reply# 16   5/13/2012 at 21:25 (2,879 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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As much as I may love Electrolux, I would NOT give my vote to the new Aerus vacuums. Of the three, I would pick the Sebo D4 canister. I have a Miele Monte Verde w/SEB217 & Red Velvet w/SEB236, & a Sebo Airbelt C3.1 with ETC PN. Of my Electrolux vacuums, newest ones I have is the 2100 w/PN5 & Grand Marquise w/PN6. I have tried out the Guardian Ultra recently, when I had my AP280 in the shop for repairs....while it was a good vacuum, I was not really that impressed with the suction power or cleaning performance. It was OK, but not on a par with the Miele or Sebo vacuums I own. Plus, it is much louder than either the Sebo or Miele. I also have not been impressed in the past with the wands on Electrolux vacuums....they do have a tendency to burn out & need frequent replacement, as well as the PN neck. They should have stuck with the original Guardian....it had more user-friendly features, & had the features & quality you expect to see on a vacuum worth $2,000.

Sebo, on the other hand, is MUCH better made. The electric wand & PN neck does not have the issue of burning out like Electrolux vacuums do, & it is also a telescopic wand. Suction power on my Airbelt C3.1 is very close to my Mieles, & the new D4 models are supposed to be rated higher than the Mieles, at 110 inches Waterlift, vs 100 inches Waterlift for Miele. The cost of supplies for Sebo vacuums is right in the middle between Electrolux & Miele....not inexpensive like Electrolux bags are, or as easy to find, but certainly not extravagant like Miele supplies are- you can EASILY spend $60 for 1 Miele HEPA filter. Plus the bags on the D4 look to be the biggest of all three vacuums. The main disadvantages the Sebo has would be the lack of availability of generic supplies, & they don't have as much features as Miele or Electrolux vacuums have- you can't get a lighted PN for a Sebo, nor a mini powerbrush like you can for Electrolux, & they have the on/off switch on the PN vs on the handle. Yes, the Miele would be comparable in quality to a Sebo, BUT for me the deciding factor would have to be that Sebo markets the D4 in a commercial version for professional use....you can put all the fancy warranties you want on a vacuum, like Electrolux & Miele do, but the REAL TEST of a vacuum is if it's made to stand up to punishing commercial usage, which the Sebo would definitely be able to handle.

If you do insist on an Electrolux vacuum, though, I would suggest looking at the Perfect C101 metal canister, which is the copy of the Diamond Jubilee & Marquise vacuums. I have heard they have some issues, & they are made in China, but they are better built at $900 with a double-stage motor than the Aerus Classic for $1,000, & based on the one I seen in person, I felt they had reasonable build quality. Plus, their cleaning performance is even better than Miele, Sebo or Electrolux, since their motor pulls 120" Waterlift, & you can find HEPA bags for the Perfect or any Electrolux vacuum for very reasonable prices.

Rob


Post# 180901 , Reply# 17   5/14/2012 at 06:21 (2,879 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hi Rob
Good of you to share your thoughts. We had a similar thread before I think about the Miele vs Sebo challenge where a few members wondered why the D4 had a lower water lift - even if the stats you supply here are different. The main difference is really that the D series was engineered to offer the biggest amount of cord versus its rivals and with its 2100 watt motor alone (I know the wattages are different in the U.S/Canada but they still apply worldwide to machines in general). Miele have, I think about 6 or 7 metres of cord compared to 12 metres on the SEBO D series - the hoses are also longer, thus not requiring as much movement to the actual body of the vacuum. Miele's default hose lengths are 1.8 metres compared to Sebo's 2.1 metres on the electrified hose and 2.5 metres on the non-electric versions. SEBO's dust bags also measure 5.5 litres compared to Miele's 4.5 litres capacity dust bags.

It is true that whilst SEBO consumables are hard to get, they won't be in a couple of years since the U.S/Canada market is only now beginning to get the full stream of SEBO products available.

There is already a professional model available for the commercial market, but it is a basic, stripped down version called "D Professional" and it lacks the auto cord rewind function, with a plug tail removable plug and cord that has to be manually wound around the machine. It also lacks the PN and just comes with the standard tubing, deluxe heavy use standard 2 way suction only floor head and a 1200 watt motor.

(See www.sebo.co.uk/commercial-vacuum-...)



Post# 180907 , Reply# 18   5/14/2012 at 06:32 (2,879 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Whoa I've never seen anything like that before! Looks very big...

Post# 180944 , Reply# 19   5/14/2012 at 08:53 (2,879 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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It's actually only slightly bigger than the Miele S5 to accommodate the bigger amount of cable on board.



Post# 180964 , Reply# 20   5/14/2012 at 10:35 (2,879 days old) by GM1982 ()        
Sebo

These must be new, what market does Sebo cater to though? I've seen them online, but never in a local vacuum retailer. Looks nice/durable, but how readily available can one find the supplies when you run out? (bags, filters, etc.)

Is it better to buy a commmon known brand vs less marketed? Im still leaning with Aerus


Post# 181007 , Reply# 21   5/14/2012 at 16:21 (2,878 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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RS, thanks for posting the information about the Sebo D Professional. I already knew this though, as I have visited their website. It's nice to see that Sebo has thought of making a longer cord & hose for their vacuums....I have never cared for the short hoses that Miele uses on their vacuums. As for the waterlift ratings, all I know is this is what was published on the www.sebo.us... website....who knows, maybe the suction is closer to my Airbelt C3.1, which is around 90 to 95 inches Waterlift. In either case, I would live with the slightly lower suction....I would rather have the longer cord, hose, bigger bags & better quality.

George, I would rather take a lesser-known brand that is commercial grade, rather than take a well-known brand that is household grade. If this had been the case of a household brand that was lesser-known, then I would say go for the Electrolux, but that's not the case here. Sebo is primarily in the residential market, but has also built a VERY GOOD reputation in the commercial market, so much so that the Windsor & Sebo uprights are the first ones thought of....as well as Electrolux Commercial uprights & the Sanitaire uprights. I have also heard that many professional housekeepers use the Sebo D4 & Airbelt C3.1 for their professional cleaning jobs. As far as getting supplies goes, Sebo is the same as Miele....you can get your supplies from the dealer you purchased the vacuum from, or you can order supplies directly from Sebo's website with a credit card.

I would suggest that you go have a look at the D4 yourself, & see what you think of it. I think if you give it a fair chance to compare the performance & quality to the Miele S5 & Electrolux models, you will be impressed. As far as I'm concerned, I am impressed enough with Sebo that once my 2 Miele vacuums die, I won't be replacing them with another Miele....I will be going with Sebo instead.

Rob


Post# 181038 , Reply# 22   5/14/2012 at 17:44 (2,878 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Sebo

I Tried one out , it felt cheap and hard to push . Even when i lowered the suction. I wouldnt buy one ever. Aerus and miele all the way. Why go out to buy vacuum bags , web someone can bring them to you.

Post# 181052 , Reply# 23   5/14/2012 at 20:08 (2,878 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Which was the one you tried, though Josh? You must be in a minority if you think Sebo's feel cheap- they didn't get a GHI award for nothing - and the K series was the FIRST compact vacuum cleaner to get that award. Not UK GHI because we don't really have the GHI award - that comes from the U.S Also I'd be interested to know how you found it difficult to push - as I've noted with my own experience of Miele vacuums, I never got around to trying a C series canister by SEBO because my own S571 was about the same weight anyway and didn't ever feel the need, even though the C series canister would be cheaper to run because they use the same dust bags as the Windsor Sensor.

Rob - I don't know about the U.S but I use Ebay.co.uk for SEBO consumables. I guess it will only be time until they become available on the U.S arm of EBay.

As far as I understand it, the U.S got the Windsor Sensor uprights first as well as the other commercial SEBO upright vacuums before they entered the market with SEBO alone doing the C canister range. I can recall the earlier U.S SEBO site only displaying the C and K machines before the Felix came along.




Post# 181057 , Reply# 24   5/14/2012 at 20:40 (2,878 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️)        
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owning over 300+ High end and D2D models there is only one Sebo I like and its the Essential G with out the automatic height adjustment . I can afford to buy any vacuum out there and buy every vacuum I want when a new one comes out. I always buy what ever I like but this is the first High end vacuum I will pass on . I think it is the ugliest vacuum ever made and why is it so large ? You would need a lot of closet space just to store that monster . I feel any Aerus/Electrolux that can be found on eBay at excellent prices would be a much better vacuum than that Sebo .

Post# 181062 , Reply# 25   5/14/2012 at 21:42 (2,878 days old) by joshdonnell ()        
Well

Not everyone has the money. I dont , i just won a navigtor.

Post# 181075 , Reply# 26   5/15/2012 at 05:33 (2,878 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well each to their own. Having collected vacuums since I was a student and younger back then I was of the same mind as to why anyone would spend that much money on a vacuum cleaner. You will learn later in life that there are brands out there who are better than the established names that everyone knows - though Miele vacuums are hardly cheap and are priced far more expensively than Sebo.

Post# 181087 , Reply# 27   5/15/2012 at 07:03 (2,878 days old) by GM1982 ()        
Sebo

I have to agree I think the Sebo is quite odd looking after checking them out. That D4 is way too big for my place. The Miele and Sebo canister I think are priced about the same, by looking at the website. Miele Callisto $899 & Sebo D4 $899

I believe the Miele is more readily available here in the U.S. than Sebo.


Post# 181089 , Reply# 28   5/15/2012 at 07:15 (2,878 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
My Vote...

Miele... A range of cleaners to suit everyones budget, a large array of tools available made by WW, best filtration on the market, high quality and reliability, and all models of canister are of a decent size... I just can't even imagine working with that giant, bulky D4... A Sebo upright maybe... but I'd still rather take the Miele for just being more pleasant to work with. And as for Aerus... I'll go with the all metal Perfect clone...

Post# 181093 , Reply# 29   5/15/2012 at 07:22 (2,878 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The D series isn't going to be for everyone, but it's the next logical step up for anyone who needs a Miele S5 with a bigger amount of power cord. The body of the Miele S5 = Height 22.6cm by Width 27.5cm by Length 48.7cm. The SEBO D has height of 25cm by Width 37cm and Length 49cm. But on top of that the SEBO also has a slightly higher motor outwith the motor built into the PN on the D4 series.

Another alternative is the Bosch BSGL5 series, but I don't know if you can buy that in the U.S I had one but the quality was disappointing, also having to put up with friction fit tools, hose and handle. The machine's main body was well designed except for the tool caddy at the top housing only two poor quality plastic tools and a Nike inspired plastic strip air bumper that seemed to show up scratches very well despite claiming to protect furniture and the machine itself. The BSGL5 comes with a 9.5 metre power cord and a 5 litre dust bag, bigger than Miele's current S5 series.


Post# 181171 , Reply# 30   5/15/2012 at 11:53 (2,878 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

Or you could always just get an extension cord... I totally understand and agree that for such a premium machine that the S5 should have a longer cord... But for the love of god just use an extension cord. I just feel many people make waaaayyyy too big a deal of it something that has a very simple solution.

Post# 181200 , Reply# 31   5/15/2012 at 13:57 (2,878 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Aerus,Miele or Sebo

I guess we will have to agree to disagree on this one.

But an extention cord on a high end vacuum? No thanks.
That is a big deal to me. The machine I use every day has a long enough cord to clean the whole downstairs. I don't want to be moving furniture every day or looking for an extensionn cord.
To add insult to the customer, the Miele's I have looked at had a short hose too.
That said-if I paid under $100.00 for a plastic upright I would not gripe.
The same fault with the Aerus. The new machine has a much shorter power cord than my Electrolux Epic 8000 and you are paying a premium price for the Lux too. I have read over and over and over again when customers give a review of their Miele's that they wish it had a longer power cord and longer hose.
It is a simple thing but it would be a deal breaker for me. I am hoping the new S8 Series will have some improvements with the power cord,hose and nicer attachments.

The Sebo looks nice but you would have to have the right house to make it work. It would seem like pulling a suitcase around the house compared to the narrow Lux tank style.


Post# 181217 , Reply# 32   5/15/2012 at 15:21 (2,878 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        

"I don't want to... Be looking for an extension cord" Said extension cord could simply be stored with the machine... As for the part about moving furniture I don't see what that has to do with the Miele cord. Unless you directed that toward the size of the D4? And as for "But an extension cord on a high end vacuum? No thanks." Isn't that just a tad bit absurd? I mean we both agree it should be longer... But for the quality, ease of use, large array of tools, and unrivaled filtration you get its really a minor fault...

Post# 181229 , Reply# 33   5/15/2012 at 16:24 (2,877 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
Aerus,Miele or Sebo,

Zach,
Please re read my post.
On this one,we can AGREE to disagree. I also have a Dyson canister that has a short cord and short hose. It is just a feature that I would want and expect on an expensive machine.
What I am talking about moving the furniture is to plug and unplug the machine multiple times during daily use.
It is not "absurd" to me, just something I would need to work in my house.
No one perfect machine for every application. So what might seem "absurb" to you might be a problem for another user.
I would just make another selection or brand with a longer power cord. No big deal. It's just a vacuum.
I am sure Miele will correct it along with the short hose on the new S8 machines as I have seen it come up many times from Miele owners.


Post# 181288 , Reply# 34   5/16/2012 at 05:00 (2,877 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Yes.. well, an extension cord isn't practical unless you live on your own and leave the extension cord lying around in the hope you won't trip over it. Miele do make an extension hose which I bought - it is a good idea adding 1.5 metres onto the existing Miele hose, but even at that it isn't practical and it adds weight onto the already heavy Miele tubes and in the case of the purchase being for my Miele S6, heavier to put up with the AirTeq floor head that it comes with. The extension hose also reduces suction power when it is stretched out, has metal coils which spring the hose back all too readily and it doesn't last as a result.

I'd say since I started to buy Miele vacuums since the 1990's (and well before I ever bought a Sebo likewise canister) that a few of their models are good, but they're not all good. They are a bigger company than Sebo, dealing in other household appliances but that doesn't mean they're necessarily better, despite their high prices.

One example is their washing machine ranges - NONE of them have Direct Drive - and yet my LG has that fitted as standard and the features on the machine I have are superb for an 8 year old design. Previously my family had a whole series of washers from Hoover, Bendix and at one point, a Philips. They all began to have problems with the drum belts. I did look at Miele but I couldn't live with the features that any of their range have, even though they do have a "online update program" feature where a computer with net connection can be tagged up to the Miele washer to get updates. All very technological but when a premium priced product still uses a drive belt to turn a drum that will eventually wear down with use, I'm glad I went with LG.





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