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Post# 179094   4/29/2012 at 10:44 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Here is the Hoover purepower that I bought brand new in 2010, I have had two of these prior to this one from 2002 another from 2008 and then this one from 2010 as you can probably tell they don't seam very reliable do they!? lol however this one seams to be holding up well so that is ok.

This vacuum cleaner is very average they clean ok but they were a disaster compared to the Turbopower 2 there a quite a few flaws that you probably already know but I will address anyways.

In 1997 Hoover brought out the purepower, which originally was supposed to replace the turbopower 2, however the turbopower 2 continued on sale next to the purepower un till about 2002/2003.
When these machines came out Hoover was just going down hill, every little think about the purepower was an annoyance, fist of all when using the hose the machine would just fall over because they were relatively light weight and was just generally a bad design were the hose was located, the handle release was so hard to depress you practically had to jump on it do recline it, and because of this the handle release would ware out very quickly and start snapping down with even the slightest pressure on the handle, they would always over heat and they had a problem with leaning back after a while and then falling over.

I don't really think there are any positives to out weigh the negatives, they are not very well thought out in design in my opinion but they still look kind of cool all the same. I think it is a shame to know these machines are not very good when it was actually a Hoover design, ahh well never mind.

Anyway I have ranted enough here are some pictures of the machine.





Post# 179095 , Reply# 1   4/29/2012 at 10:49 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Because this is a newer purepower there are a few differences such as you can see on some of the pictures, the newer purepower logo thing, it looks slightly different on older versions and where is says hoover was lower down the machine, I like how it says "The Hoover Cleaner" though.

Post# 179097 , Reply# 2   4/29/2012 at 10:52 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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As you can see there is like a little marked out area around the switch, that would of been where the "autosense" and bag full indicater light was on very early models.


Post# 179098 , Reply# 3   4/29/2012 at 10:53 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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As you can see there is like a little marked out area around the switch, that would of been where the "autosense" and bag full indicater light was on very early models.


Post# 179100 , Reply# 4   4/29/2012 at 10:57 (2,902 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I had a Hoover Purepower that I salvaged, it had a melted lock thing which connects to the release pedal, it had melted cos the belt had slipped off and came into contact with parts it shouldn't have, a bad design really, and I didn't like how it's 1800w motor dimmed the lights when I tested it, ended up just pulling it apart and throwing it out as it was just too annoying to work with... :\

And I think Hoover should look up the victorian definition of "Pure", cos that's all I think when I see "PurePower".... :P


Post# 179101 , Reply# 5   4/29/2012 at 10:59 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Also older versions of the pure power would of said on the "carpet care control" short carpet, medium carpet, long carpet/hardfloors and luxuary carpets/tools as you can see here it says intensive clean (lol what ever) short carpet/hard floors, medium carpet and luxuary carpet. I like how it says "power edge cleaning" because it can't really, not like the turbo 2 can.

Post# 179102 , Reply# 6   4/29/2012 at 11:00 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Here you can tell mine is suffering from the leaning and falling over syndrome, lol.


Post# 179103 , Reply# 7   4/29/2012 at 11:00 (2,902 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Not a patch on the Turbopowers!

You're on your third Purepower, whereas my 1994 HOOVER Turbopower 1000 is 18 years old and still working as well as your 2 year old Purepower.

And, where has the Autosense gone on the new ones ?

Perhaps more importantly, where the hell is the Bag Full indicator!? I don't particularly like the Bag Full indicator as it only comes on when the bag is jam packed, but it still has its uses for people who don't know much about Vacuum Cleaners and don't check the bag.


Post# 179104 , Reply# 8   4/29/2012 at 11:02 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The back.

Post# 179105 , Reply# 9   4/29/2012 at 11:04 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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I updated this with an activator brushroll because the red one that was in it was utter crap, it was a noisy brushroll and did not do a good job at all.

Post# 179106 , Reply# 10   4/29/2012 at 11:05 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The somewhat edge cleaning brushes.

Post# 179107 , Reply# 11   4/29/2012 at 11:06 (2,902 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Power Edge Cleaning my exhaust filter. The Turbopower 2/1000 as you rightly said worked BRILLIANTLY at cleaning up to the skirting boards, but I know from personal experience that it does no such thing.

Intensive clean ? Give me a break.

Oh yeah, two years old and already leaning ? My 1994 Turbopower 1000 doesn't lean a single centimeter even after years of daily use.

THEY DON'T MAKE THEM LIKE THEY USED TO.


Post# 179108 , Reply# 12   4/29/2012 at 11:09 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The basic Hoover cleaning tools, which I like alot, I hate all this silly combination tools and missing the upholstery tool out all together, the only problem though with these tools are because you put the crevice tool in the tools to make a longer reach they make a very loud hissing noise because the machine has a lot of suction.

Post# 179110 , Reply# 13   4/29/2012 at 11:10 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Newer bigger hoover badge.

Post# 179112 , Reply# 14   4/29/2012 at 11:12 (2,902 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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And finally I will leave you with the serial number sticker.

Post# 179113 , Reply# 15   4/29/2012 at 11:15 (2,902 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That Activator Brush Roll will have improved things slightly I suppose.

I wouldn't use it for hard flooring on the Short Pile setting with the activator though. On my Turbopower 1000 with an Activator the hard flooring setting is coupled with the Long Pile setting.


Post# 179135 , Reply# 16   4/29/2012 at 13:05 (2,901 days old) by alexhoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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The activator brushroll in the purepower has certainly made the brushroll quiter however it doesn't improve the performance that much, I meen compared to the turbopower 2 the brushroll on the purepower spins way to fast to beat and groom the carpet like the turbopower 2 did, I meen the turbopower 1 cleaned alot better than the turbo 2 however the turbo 2 was still very good also.

Post# 179148 , Reply# 17   4/29/2012 at 13:51 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Yes, that's true, the 800 and 1000 Watt motors in the two versions of Turbopower 2 were perfect at getting the brush roll to spin at the right RPM.

2100 Watts spins the brush roll too fast.


Post# 179159 , Reply# 18   4/29/2012 at 14:29 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

They may not make them like they used to, but then they don't charge for them like they used to. As well as the quality of goods declining, so has the retail price. In a way, the consumer has only themselves to blame by wanting cheap goods in the first place. So really one could argue that we are only getting what we pay for.

Not only this, goods which we think lasted longer years ago were also able to accept a cost effective repair. Goods were built to permit repairs and places were available to make this happen. So items which have lasted well may only have done so because it was possible to keep them going.


Post# 179176 , Reply# 19   4/29/2012 at 14:57 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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That is certainly true for some items, but for my 1977 HOOVER Ranger and 1982 Electrolux 502S, it isn't, as they have never seen a repair shop in their lives and have survived with just new bags, belts and filters.

That's the true meaning of a well built machine, when it survives years and years of use with just simple maintenance.


Post# 179178 , Reply# 20   4/29/2012 at 15:02 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Oh yes, I am not saying all appliances needed attention, and it sounds like you have two examples where the owners must have told you the history of them. But a lot of appliances would have had at the very least a professional service during their lifetime.

Post# 179182 , Reply# 21   4/29/2012 at 15:06 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I think the reason my Lux and HOOVER have survived without any repairs is because they were owned by careful operators (barely a scratch on either) and they are built damn well! :)

Post# 179186 , Reply# 22   4/29/2012 at 15:09 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Good care goes a long way if one has the time. Don't forget though, for many they were seen as the labour saving devices they were, with an expectation for them to last about 10 years. For some I am sure it was more convenient to just use them and get as much wear as possible, without taking too much care over them.

Post# 179188 , Reply# 23   4/29/2012 at 15:13 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Oh yes, more so these days.

I've seen some people use vacuum cleaners until the bag is filled right up to the input, never clean the filters and not even replace snapped belts.

Then when the thing dies after a year of use they wonder why.


Post# 179192 , Reply# 24   4/29/2012 at 15:19 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Some of my customers wondered, yes. Most seemed to admit they'd not had the time to worry about it. I can see that point of view. For most people, the vacuum cleaner isn't the first thing on their mind.

Post# 179203 , Reply# 25   4/29/2012 at 15:31 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I've got to remind myself of that a lot, because to me, my life revolves around Vacuum Cleaners almost! Ha ha!

Post# 179211 , Reply# 26   4/29/2012 at 15:39 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I did come to that conclusion.


Post# 179218 , Reply# 27   4/29/2012 at 16:02 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Your observance surprises me sometimes! Ha ha.

Post# 179237 , Reply# 28   4/29/2012 at 16:39 (2,901 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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"Yes, that's true, the 800 and 1000 Watt motors in the two versions of Turbopower 2 were perfect at getting the brush roll to spin at the right RPM"

The Turbo 1 at 410w did a better job than the lot of em, if you ask me


Post# 179238 , Reply# 29   4/29/2012 at 16:43 (2,901 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

What is the 'right' RPM anyway? What is the 'right' number of brushes and rows of them, and what is the 'right' degree of stiffness? I wish I knew, and I wish manufacturers had spent some time testing this over the years.

Post# 179270 , Reply# 30   4/29/2012 at 19:09 (2,901 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Whatever is right or wrong Alex - and I know you're young - but you should read up on reviews about Purepower. The Turbopower models were so much better, so much more reliable. Pure Crap isn't a name that is given lightly to vacuums in general, but its what the trade term for the Hoover Purepower. Hoover could have built the Purepower with so much better plastics and "lightweight" at 8kg isn't my idea of lightweight.

Post# 179331 , Reply# 31   4/30/2012 at 05:16 (2,901 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        
"Pure Crap isn't a name that is given lightly to vac

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I seem to remember David calling it something slightly different and after my experience with its sister, the Dust Manager (which didn't manage all too well after one week of light use, bottom line is after 6 months it went on fire, I'll say no more), I 100% wholeheartedly agree.

Post# 179345 , Reply# 32   4/30/2012 at 06:52 (2,901 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually, the Purepower is better at picking up the dirt and keeping it in a bag than the horrendous Dustmanager. Even after Hoover "improved" the box, it still required filter cleaning after virtually every use. Hoover also developed the system in the Telios - a machine I once loved - and eventually the Sensory, re-naming it "Dustmanager," too. Not good machines at all - even at push, the bagged Sensory models are better.

Post# 179467 , Reply# 33   4/30/2012 at 17:49 (2,900 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Turbopower 1 activator

I seem to remember that one Turbopower that we had, (beige, tools attached), had stiff grey plastic bristles. It seemed to pick up very well. I got rid of it, because the noise hurt my ears. Also the motor conked out, (Hoover fixed it under guarantee).

The Turbopower 2 & 3 had softer bristles, and I had ordered after a few years, new activators. The new versions had embossed into the plastic "Brush Type 2". I presumed the difference was the bearings; the old Hoover ball-races seemed to have gone, to be replaced by sealed bearings instead. Candy's influence perhaps?


Post# 179527 , Reply# 34   5/1/2012 at 03:17 (2,900 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Well I must have a pre-Candy brush roll in my '94 Turbopower (I actually believe it is the original roll) as it is a ball bearing one.

Post# 179833 , Reply# 35   5/3/2012 at 19:40 (2,897 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The thing is though, even if my namesake is Sebo, Hoover models were the first I ever collected. Thus the brand has a special place in my heart and the products were also what my parents and grand parents had. I'm just biding my time waiting for Hoover to bring out the next version of a bagged upright vacuum. I had that awful Junior / Athyss stick vac a couple of years ago but it wasn't the same.

Post# 179851 , Reply# 36   5/4/2012 at 02:58 (2,897 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Do you honestly think HOOVER will create another bagged upright ? The only one they still produce is the Pure Power and quite frankly I could see them discontinuing that very soon and just having an all Bagless upright range.

And to be honest, I wouldn't shed a tear, as even if they did keep making Bagged uprights, they would never be good enough (Turbopower standard) to make me spend my money on them.

Paradoxically, as it may be, I am going to buy the new Turbo Power Bagless upright later this year as I've heard good reviews about them and I'd love a modern HOOVER in my collection.

I doubt it'd replace the Turbopower 1000 as my best cleaner though.


Post# 179853 , Reply# 37   5/4/2012 at 03:20 (2,897 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

I don't think Hoover will stop making at least one bagged cleaner as there is demand for such machines. But I also believe that even if most manufacturers made nothing but bagless cleaners, the likes of Miele and Numatic will always continue with what they have been doing for years - making bagged cleaners. The bagless cleaners which lose suction power are all a load of whatever you want to call it. I hope I never see the day that bags are phased out on new machines.



Post# 179856 , Reply# 38   5/4/2012 at 04:46 (2,897 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Hear hear, if Bagged cleaners go all together, I think I'll lose all faith in modern manufacturers.

As for Miele and Numatic, I am certain they will NEVER expand to Bagless technology, as they have both built up such a magnificent reputation for making good Bagged Vacuum Cleaners and by banishing them they would ruin their businesses.

Isn't it strange though, that (with the exception of the aforementioned brands) Bagged cleaners are getting worse as time goes on, with the best ones being from 20 odd years ago ?

You would think it would be the opposite, but it seems not.

On the other hand Bagless cleaners are getting better (in terms of suction sustainability).

It actually makes sense if you think about it.

They are spending less time making Bagged cleaners as good as they used to be, whereas they are spending a lot of time making Bagless cleaners better, for one purpose only. To subtly try to forbear people from buying Bagged cleaners, so they can have an all Bagless market to make things more modern, which is what everybody seems to want to do these days.

I however, shall never proselyte. I believe old technology is the best for the most part - An opinion that I will take to my grave.


Post# 179858 , Reply# 39   5/4/2012 at 05:50 (2,897 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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I don't think it's a case of old technology. Look at Dyson - the technology used is fantastic and the cyclone works incredibly well. It's only due to Dysons popularity (which lets face it, has nothing to do with vacuuming and everything to do with clever marketing) that so many manufactures followed suit with bagless cleaners. Sadly, due to patents, they had to be cheap low efficiency cyclones. More and more companies are now developing "no loss of suction" bagless units - Vax, Hoover, Electrolux and Morphy Richards. The popularity of bagless vacuums is purely as a result of Dysons popularity which is a result of clever marketing. News flash for you Mr. Dyson - Numatic are still the best selling vacuums in the UK. Says a lot.

Post# 179859 , Reply# 40   5/4/2012 at 06:00 (2,897 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Other vacuum brands that won't go bagless---Sebo,Kirby.Think these guys will always use bags of some sort.

Post# 179861 , Reply# 41   5/4/2012 at 06:46 (2,897 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Very true Chris, the reason for Bagless' popularity is due to Dyson alone.

If it weren't for them, then I expect 95% of homes would still use a Bagged Vacuum Cleaner.

Bagless cleaners are by no means better than their Bagged counterparts, but it is only due to the fact that all of the very few Vacuum Cleaner commercials we have here in the UK are advertising Bagless models, so people automatically associate a Vacuum Cleaner to be Bagless, therefore they buy one.

If you asked anybody who was the best selling Vacuum Cleaner brand, the majority of people would say Dyson, with some saying HOOVER, but actually, as you rightly said Chris, it is Numatic and I'm not surprised in the least.

Numatic has been around since 1980 (correct me if I'm wrong) and for all those 32 years the basic principle has never changed.

Motor in the hood, bag in the body, big sealed filter in between. The best layout in my opinion.


Post# 179875 , Reply# 42   5/4/2012 at 12:24 (2,897 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        

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Jamie, Numatic have been going since 1972. The top 3 best selling vacuums in the UK are Numatic, Vax and Dyson

Post# 179881 , Reply# 43   5/4/2012 at 12:45 (2,897 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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Ah of course, it is the specific Henry model that has been going since 1980.



Post# 179893 , Reply# 44   5/4/2012 at 14:53 (2,896 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Actually, if I may add something about Dyson, I have some recent literature somewhere in which Dyson showed the sales statistics of cleaners and openly admitted that Vax was the major player, along with Numatic. So I am sure they know, but as has been said, the good marketing keeps Dyson where it wants to be.

Post# 179989 , Reply# 45   5/5/2012 at 17:06 (2,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Um, you're all forgetting one tiny little aspect about Numatic - their vacuums can be used as a bagless vacuum - you just have to brush clean all the dirt off the central filter. Miele, Sebo - they don't offer that facility - but they're German, they're fastidious about cleanliness - you only need to look at Miele's professional website where they make clinical medical machines for cleaning hospital/surgery instruments.

'Cant say Numatic aren't novel in their design here and they also offer a fleece washable dust bag against the thinner fabric ones Vax also supply for their tub vacuums.

I think VR is right though - I think Hoover will in time bring a new bagged upright to the market - they've already just gone and launched a new Telios (Telios plus - see my old thread www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-...) in other countries.

PLUS those like me who have the old Hoover Junior Deluxe/Compact require the Purepower bags as this is what they use - and it would make sense for Hoover to re-use an existing dust bag for a new generation of bagged upright vacuum.


Post# 180554 , Reply# 46   5/10/2012 at 16:59 (2,890 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
Bags

The Hoover Junior Compact and the Purepower use totally different bags: H9 and H20; the latter having a dust shutter.

True, the hole diameters may be similar, but there will be differences in porosity, volume, and filtration characteristics.

H9 bags for the Junior Compact should still be available.


Post# 180580 , Reply# 47   5/10/2012 at 20:59 (2,890 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I dont like the open ended bags for the Junior Deluxe, hence what I should have said, I use the Turbo power 2/3 sealed bags, not the Purepower ones - thanks for pointing that out, Rolls!

Still, the H20s have been on the market for some time. Hoover would be foolish to stop producing them if they stopped production of the Purepower. It would make more sense to reuse whatever dust bags they have in order for a new model from Hoover to take the Purepower's place.


Post# 180604 , Reply# 48   5/11/2012 at 00:58 (2,890 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
The new Hoover Telios

I had a look at your linked link and found this intriguing passage in the German user manual:

"WARNING: Electricity can be dangerous! This unit is double insulated and must not be grounded. The mains plug contains a fuse of 13 A (GB only)."

On that basis, it would seem that it is destined for our shores.

On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense.


Post# 180639 , Reply# 49   5/11/2012 at 10:09 (2,890 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"On-board small tool storage is my favourite method. I hate all this "store on the hose" nonsense." That's something we agree about at least.

My 2008 JMB SC1056 has the little clip on the extension tube for the crevice tool, which although functions, gets on my nerves when the tool falls off two or three times during vacuuming.

My 2000 Electrolux Tango and 2004 Panasonic MC-E8011 has on board tool storage, which I find much more convenient.


Post# 180898 , Reply# 50   5/14/2012 at 06:12 (2,887 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ty for that clarification, Rolls regarding the Telios.

I'm not a fan of clip on tools to hoses, pipes or anywhere else that sits out on the exterior of the vacuum. The only brand I find where tools don't fly off are on the Sebo cylinders. Much prefer the tools-under-a-flap storage idea, like Miele vacuums - although my S6 has the worst design going. If the tools aren't stored in their proper positions, I find that the T shaped upholstery tool flies off if the vacuum is pulled at times and the storage position behind the handle is less than ideal. When it isn't clicked on there, the actual clip lock often catches my jumper, even if the ring has been turned around. It's a design issue I can't stand with the Miele's current S6.


Post# 180900 , Reply# 51   5/14/2012 at 06:19 (2,887 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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I like the storage idea (even if it isn't practical on the S6) on the Mieles of having the tools in a compartment above the bag, but that uses a separate door so you can open it to get the tools without having to turn the motor off, as you do in the Electrolux Tango as the tools are stored in a compartment inside the actual bag chamber.

As I said previously however, my favourite storage method is what my Panasonic MC-E8011 has. The crevice tool and dusting brush (that's all you get!) slot into a cavity on the back of cleaner, where they stay until you decide otherwise.


Post# 180910 , Reply# 52   5/14/2012 at 06:44 (2,887 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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The problem I found on my older Miele vacuums - S571 and S381 was that at times the spring latch would loosen making the flap pretty inoperative until was snapped back into place. Yet, with my old Hoover Telios, the flap never fell off once and I think if memory serves me correctly, the Telios was like a carbon copy of a Miele cylinder vac, just not as well made in the plastics department but had a better spring loader mechanism AND a thicker flap in which the tools could sit underneath, locked in. One of the better tool storers is in the back of the Sebo C vacuums, where you'd find full size cleaning tools and a slot for the user manual.

Having just seen your video about the Panasonic MCE-8011 brought memories back for me on the MCE 4003 and MCE 4111 I used to own. You'd have thought I'd have learnt the first time around - but no. I hazard' a guess that the later, final model may have had an improvement of suction quality - and to an extent it did, but it still suffered from a useless short hose, the brush roll was okay but I never got the feeling that the Panasonic twin bin bagless uprights could ever clean deeply into the carpet, often missing out dirt whilst it was useless for getting under low furniture. As I recall it came with only two tools - a fairly useless long crevice pipe with a hole in it at the neck and the default dusting brush that wasn't the best designed being of a fixed design. Like the bagged uprights, they also use the silly method of the using two drive belts as well, requiring both to be removed even if the main drive belt broke and it isn't fair that the U.S get the old Miele made U.S Panasonic based uprights that have the brush on/off switch and a far better design.



Post# 182994 , Reply# 53   5/28/2012 at 18:51 (2,872 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
purepower

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put it out for the binmen and think yourself lucky if they take it

Post# 183034 , Reply# 54   5/29/2012 at 07:09 (2,872 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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"put it out for the binmen and think yourself lucky if they take it" Harsh, but true...




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