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Post# 174988   3/27/2012 at 10:08 (2,933 days old) by venson ()        

Done the rug and think your cleaning day is is over? Uh-huh. Don't forget the stuffed bear. See following link.

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Post# 174990 , Reply# 1   3/27/2012 at 10:33 (2,933 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Museum Vac...

Ha, ha! That's great! I love that they talk a little bit about the vacuum.

If you look at the pic, it says "Museum Vac" on both vacuums. Must be an extremely low powered vac for delicate work. I bet they charge an arm and a leg for such a specialized machine (though it looks pretty straight forward).

It's also interesting that the curator uses "Hoover" as a verb. I understand people used to say that back when Hoover was synonymous with vacuuming in the US, but now that's not true anymore. Are there any areas or regions where folks still say "Hoover" as a verb to say that they are vacuuming?

Me, I'm going to to Sebo a bear!


Post# 174992 , Reply# 2   3/27/2012 at 10:40 (2,933 days old) by Sanifan ()        

OK, it is not so bad. A little expensive, but prices for the Museum Vac are in reasonable range for a vacuum. This is a whole new category of vacuums I did not know extisted.

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Post# 174996 , Reply# 3   3/27/2012 at 11:21 (2,933 days old) by venson ()        
@sanifan . . .

You're right, I think. The bill on this is probably high. On one hand, considering the bear and other specimens may be quite old, maybe slow and meticulous is the way to go here. On the other hand, to simplify things, I don't quite get why they didn't use a regular dusting tool and a small, plain old household machine with either the bleed valve turned wide open to reduce suction or it's motor switched down low.

They could have done a test on the bear in some not obvious spot to be sure it wouldn't suffer damage.

Terminology as to vacuums has been up for grabs since the machines were invented. I was reminded by a sixth grade classmate a moon or two ago that actually they are not vacuum cleaners as they do not employ a vacuum to do their work but a partial vacuum. But, what did he know, people still call them that.

And depending upon age -- and which part of Brooklyn you're from -- they may be referred to as, the vacuum, the cleaner, the sweeper OR "the machine." Verb-wise, these references also lead to whether you cleaned, vacuumed, swept or "passed the machine."

The general use of "hoover" as a common noun and also verb can take someone from the U.S. a minute or two to process if told, "I just got a new Morphy Richards' hoover." Of course I recall we used to "simonize" our cars and "osterize" certain foods.

Nonetheless it's differences that keep life interesting.


Post# 175002 , Reply# 4   3/27/2012 at 12:06 (2,933 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sanifan, the UK's preference to call everything a "Hoover" when they mean they are going to clean something with a vacuum cleaner comes right down to the Hoover company themselves and their constant reference to "hoovering." It isn't unusual given that the U.S are probably unique in terming ever day goods with the brand name, rather than the word, proper and correct.

For example,

U.S WORDS:

Band-Aid = Plaster
Scotch Tape = Adhesive tape
'OJ = Orange Juice

There are of course tons of British words that the U.S don't "get" like our awful, rather gutteral word for "butt", starts with "A" and rhymes with Farce!

But, it's just weird that American's don't get the idea of "hoovering," given the U.S/American origins of the Hoover company.


Post# 175007 , Reply# 5   3/27/2012 at 12:49 (2,933 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Hoovering:....

....DOES have a meaning in the U.S.

It's just not a polite one - much as the word "shag" does not usually bring up thoughts of carpet in the U.K.


Post# 175008 , Reply# 6   3/27/2012 at 12:56 (2,933 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
You Know the Joke:

"Britain and America - two great nations separated by a common language."

Post# 175012 , Reply# 7   3/27/2012 at 13:28 (2,933 days old) by twocvbloke ()        
"Scotch Tape = Adhesive tape"

nononononooooooo, if we are to believe Blue Peter, it's "Sticky-Backed plastic"... :P

Either that or sticky tape, or Sellotape (brand name), clear tape or just tape... :P


Post# 175015 , Reply# 8   3/27/2012 at 13:35 (2,933 days old) by venson ()        
Competition . . .

The American business model demands we plebeians that pull a paycheck be forever romanced with names. Public relations and advertising agencies, not to mention marketing firms, have thrived on that and grown to gargantuan size over the years due to it.

Possibly due to the very wide opportunity for would-be American vacuum makers to quickly enter into the market and industry at one point in time, there came many, many names offering product that did well each in their own way to the point the name Hoover held "only fish in the sea" status not for long -- if ever. If one camp loved its Hoovers, another loved its Electroluxes, etc.

Hoover may have been first in the name game but along came Electrolux, Eureka, Lewyt, General Electric, Westinghouse, Premiere, Apex, Universal and countless other market-viable brands being offered. This probably influenced our "vacuuming" instead of "hoovering" because there was a plethora of brands and machines deemed of equal worth or better when compared to Hoover by consumers. Thus, would be buyers may have found their concentration of thought more on the device than the brand because there was so much to choose.

I think that's probably why none of us are "dysoning" our homes today.


Post# 175018 , Reply# 9   3/27/2012 at 14:35 (2,933 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Ha, ha. I can't remember the last time I searched engined something. I "Googled" a few things today, though.

I remember a linguistics class I took in college. The teacher was talking about how things get into the popular lexicon. She talked about an ad campaign put out by the Kroger corporation (big grocery store conglomerate in the US). It went something like "Let's go a-Krogering" or something like that. They were trying to link the name Kroger with the act of shopping for groceries. So sometimes it is a conscious marketing effort. I don't actually remember that ad as I wasn't living in the Midwest at the time.

I don't think Google set out to make their name synonymous with using a search engine. But the product was superior enough and the name catchy enough that it became the de facto term for doing a search.


Post# 175023 , Reply# 10   3/27/2012 at 15:04 (2,933 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
"Krogering"

Yeah, well....

They dropped that campaign once customers started saying, "I'VE BEEN KROGERED!" after getting their purchase total at the checkout (till).

It's not easy to come up with an advertising slogan that consumers can't use against you. I can't tall you how many times I've gotten a laugh in a Wal-Mart checkout line that is far, far too long, and is moving at the pace of a glacier running uphill on a hot day:

"You see - Low prices ARE just the beginning!"


Post# 175026 , Reply# 11   3/27/2012 at 16:30 (2,933 days old) by Rolls_rapide (-)        
"Sticky-backed Plastic"

No, not adhesive tape. That was the BBC's generic reference for "Fablon", a sticky-backed plastic which the user peeled off the backing paper and stuck to the desired surface (shelves, etc).

I remember my mother used it in the 70s. The tea caddy got wrapped in the stuff, so did shelves in the Pantry cupboard, and she made doll's house chairs out of toilet roll tubes and Fablon, for my sister.


Post# 175040 , Reply# 12   3/27/2012 at 17:45 (2,932 days old) by venson ()        
Points re language all well taken but . . .

No one's told us the best way to vacuum a stuffed and mounted bear. And don't say, "Very carefully.":)

Post# 175053 , Reply# 13   3/27/2012 at 19:55 (2,932 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada)        

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I know this thread is going seriously "off-topic", but I too am a bit fascinated by how some brandnames became synonymous with their major product.

One major one in North America is "Kleenex" - I can't think of any time in my life that I ever referred to the item as a "facial tissue"!

The other brandname that really became our "Hoover" here in North America is "frigidaire" for refrigerator. Even my European-born grandparents used to refer to their refrigerators as "frigidaires."

Another one is "garbarator" - not sure how that term arose for a "garbage disposal", but we used the term all the time. The only brand-name close to it was "In-Sink-Erator" - but to this day, I have no idea which company coined the term "garbarator"!


Post# 175211 , Reply# 14   3/29/2012 at 06:26 (2,931 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I dont think Brits even go as far to saying "facial tissue." We use "hankie" or "tissue."

When I was younger, living in a town in Scotland than had Americans staying here, we assumed Americans were just lazy because they couldn't be bothered to use the right term. Certainly from my own experiences where American families persisted to drive cars with an auto-shift, this wrong assumption merely increased because of the way the Americans in the town just wanted things that took the strain out of lifting a finger! What I do realise now, much as I'm older is that the U.S were highly intelligent and probably very much a country that were before their time in inventiveness. We Brits however had to suffer the traditional ways and means of lifestyle products - it didn't do us wrong - but we could have had the same kind of products if we hadn't have been stuck in our conservative ways.


Post# 175229 , Reply# 15   3/29/2012 at 12:55 (2,931 days old) by trebor ()        
GE coined the term..

Disposall with 2 'l' s

Post# 175312 , Reply# 16   3/30/2012 at 01:28 (2,930 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

"Skilsaw" for any handheld portable circular saw-other than those made by Skil.




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