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Post# 171228   2/28/2012 at 10:53 (2,963 days old) by isufan11 (Des Moines, IA)        

Over the weekend I was in a local department store and the regional Dyson rep was in demoing her products. I noticed that the uprights and canisters we dramatically reduced, I asked here why and she said that they would be unveiling a new Canister and 2 new uprights next week in Chicago at the International Housewares show.




Post# 171242 , Reply# 1   2/28/2012 at 12:23 (2,962 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Could it be the new Dyson DC42 uprights (animal and normal)? Also the caniser, DC39?

Also see video from you tube for the DC39. (Click on the link below)



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Post# 172291 , Reply# 2   3/7/2012 at 10:09 (2,955 days old) by isufan11 (Des Moines, IA)        
First one is....

DC39 Now Available



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Post# 172308 , Reply# 3   3/7/2012 at 10:41 (2,955 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
new Dyson

I actually like the looks of this.Never completely sold on the upright size,shape and features(hose and atts).

Post# 172311 , Reply# 4   3/7/2012 at 10:54 (2,955 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I really like the dc39 known as the 37 here, very nice

Post# 172638 , Reply# 5   3/9/2012 at 12:50 (2,952 days old) by Sanifan ()        
DC39/37

Hi, Gareth.

I saw the video for the DC39 and I'm really liking what I see. Having used both, how would you describe the funtional differences between the DC39 and the older DC23 Turbinehead?

Dyson claims an improved cyclone design offering improved filtering and greater power. Do you find this to be true?

One thing I do not like about the DC23 is how the handle is connected to the removable bin. Because there is some wiggly play between the bin and the main body when the bin is clicked into place, this unfortunate flaw arises: the main body will pull away from the bin due to gravity when you lift the vacuum by the handle. Because of the play, the seal between the bin and the main body gets compromised and releases to some degree. That means it's leaking suction at that point. The motor is pulling air from the hose and through the cylinder, as it should, but is now also pulling in air from that compromised seal behind the cylinder. That reduces suction and airflow at nozzle. The result is that if you need to lift the vacuum by the handle to do above floor cleaning (as you might often need to do due to the short hose), you lose suction and airflow performance due to the compromised seal.

It's clearer when you look at a picture (credit to williamr1248, who posted this pic in another thread). The seal in question is located at the flat part where the blue top of the cylinder meets the main body, just above the vent port. As you can see, the handle is attached to the cylinder. As the vacuum gets lifted up, the main body pulls down, compromising that seal. I'm just guessing, but I'd estimate there's at least 1/8" of play if not a bit more. It's enough to cause a suction leak when the vac is lifted from that handle. You can clearly hear it when it happens.

It seems that they've solved that problem on the DC39, as the handle is solidly molded in to the main vacuum body itself. There's nothing to pull the cylinder away from its seating when the vacuum is lifted.

Anyway, that's my main peeve about the DC23. Would you say the DC39 is any quieter?

Even with it's flaws, I find the older Dyson to perform well. I can only imagine the DC39 is that much better. I know Tristars are very highly regarded, but I have say, I think my Dyson is notably more powerful. I have 3 Tristar CXLs and a Miracle Mate and I feel that way about all of them. The Dyson is not as much fun to use, however, feeling a bit plasticky. But I still really like my Dyson canister a lot. It's a stronger performer, if not as much fun to use as the Tristar. I'll be keeping an eye out for a good deal on a DC39.


Post# 172645 , Reply# 6   3/9/2012 at 13:11 (2,952 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Maybe still a problem...

OK, I just looked at the video again. There may be some chance that the issue I described above will still be a problem.

The handle on the new DC39, while attached to the main body instead of the bin, is still articulated where it meet the top of the bin. That means if there's some play in the handle pivot, or at the connection point at the bin, there's still a chance the seal will separate enough to create a leak when the vacuum is lifted by the handle.

I hope that's not the case, but now that I see the connections in action, I fear that's a possibility.


Post# 172813 , Reply# 7   3/11/2012 at 00:50 (2,951 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Hi Guys

The dc37? 39 is way way better than the dc23, The cyclone is a big improvement over the dc23, I have been hammering this one for almost 2 months now, every thing from dry wall dust to normal vacuuming, cleaning our 3 cars, even cleaning out the ceiling. and the filter is yet to show any dust on it. The New turbine head has non of the problems that the previous one did and it actually cleans as well if not better than a upright. It is as good as a proper pn, The bristles are long and well designed.

The handle work's much better as the handle is attached to the machine not the cyclone so you can carry it with ease and no unless you jerk it up and down repeatedly it wont leak suction.

This machine is a big big improvement over the dc23, they really did there homework on this one and it came out great


Post# 172817 , Reply# 8   3/11/2012 at 01:23 (2,951 days old) by sanifan ()        

Hi, Gareth.

It sounds great! I'll have to keep an eye out for a good deal one. Between the Tristar CXL, DC23, and Electrolux Ultralux 80th Anniversary, it will have to be a really good deal for me to justify the extra cash outlay to pick up the Dyson ball. I'm salivating, though.


Post# 172818 , Reply# 9   3/11/2012 at 01:44 (2,951 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I will post some more pics now now , Its sunday morning here in SA 9.44am so have a few round the house things to do but will take some a little later

Post# 172823 , Reply# 10   3/11/2012 at 07:33 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
new dyson

I like my Dyson DC23 very much except for a few issues which I was wonderg if they corrected on the new machine:
(1) the loose handle fitting when lifted
(2) too short hose and electric cord
(3) too loud
(4) very powerful suction but not so good as a carpet cleaner

I enjoy the Dyson innovations and the tool designs. My Dysons do seem to filter the air and have plenty of suction but I don't use them because of messing with the dust bin. I always end up with ashtha and the next day a layer of dust on everything no matter how careful I try to be when dumping the dirt. I also do not like storing the filth in a closet between use.

Is this machine smaller than my DC23? It looks like it would be fun to use!


Post# 172832 , Reply# 11   3/11/2012 at 08:51 (2,951 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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although its got a slightly smaller motor the machine has much better suction, with the new turbine head I think it cleans better than most uprights, It is much quieter.
One of the things I like most about it is the fact that this is the first dyson cylinder were the hose can be unclipped with ease for storage. the hose is still shortish but the cord seams longer


Post# 172834 , Reply# 12   3/11/2012 at 09:46 (2,951 days old) by williamr1248 (USA)        
New Dyson

Thanks Gareth,
I have enjoyed your posts and your insight on how different customers and different parts of the world have very different needs for cleaners.
I have always enjoyed the Dyson tools and new designs.
This machine looks like it would be just FUN to use. A quieter machine would be great too. I had to get used to the handle having that loose feel.
I really like the Dyson bare floor tool. My Dyson DC23 is easy to use and does not catch on the different rug edges. It sure has enough suction,maybe almost too much for a lot of uses.
My filters stay clean on the Dyson. Now it does get that "doggy" smell when you turn it on sometimes, but much less than my other machines that use hepa bags and hepa filters. The dusty bin is what does not work for me with asthma but it sure looks like it should be a good machine and easy to use.
Thanks for your positive comments and information.


Post# 172839 , Reply# 13   3/11/2012 at 11:40 (2,951 days old) by sanifan ()        

Despite it's shortcomings I, too, really like the performance of my DC23. It's powerful, filters well (I understand the new separation technology is even better, but I haven't had problems with noticeable dust on my DC23 filter), and the turbinehead brush worked fine on the carpet I had.

The short hose is not to my liking. Especially since the hose is a bit stiff - the effect is that it feels more unwieldy than my Tristar CXL or Electrolux tank, especially on bare floor. That suction loss issue when the vac is lifted by the handle is disconcerting. I don't know how much it effects final cleaning ability, but it gives me a sinking feeling whenever I have to heft it for above floor cleaning. Also, it is a bit loud. Not unbearably so, but loud enough that I like to wear hearing protection when I use it (as I do for most of my vacs).

I look forward on owning the DC39 sometime in the future. It seems the hose is still on the short side, but it looks like everything else has been improved. Even stronger suction? Wow. The DC23 was not slouch there to begin with. That, along with better filtering, less noise, and better turbine brush make it look like a winner.

Thanks for your insight into it, Gareth!


Post# 172842 , Reply# 14   3/11/2012 at 12:10 (2,951 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I like the new look of the upright - it has a self adjusting floor head that puts down brushes on hard floors, goes back up on carpet. Nothing new there - Bosch have made a floor head that does that and Miele are in tow.

Post# 172918 , Reply# 15   3/12/2012 at 08:40 (2,950 days old) by baglessball ()        

That not how the it works. The sole plate move. So as the machine seals to the carpet, it pulls the sole plate up, which in turn pushes the rotating brushes in to the pile of the carpet. It does the more on long pile, less or short pile, and not at all on hard floors. - it does it slightly on soft lino, but it isn't a problem as you can switch off the brushes.

It's the 41 I own and a beast of a machine. It pulls dirt from I don't know where. It seems to positively agitate the carpet too.

The separation is the same as what the 37/39 have and it's brilliant! Not a single piece of grit gets through to the filter, the shroud keeps itself clean, and after 3months of heavy use of cleaning up after 3hairy dogs, cleaning out cars, and cleaning up building crap after having work done the filter is white as white can be!

I am really impressed with this machine. There is only a few thing I would change about it, I did faults with EVERYTHING!! Haha


Post# 172924 , Reply# 16   3/12/2012 at 09:54 (2,950 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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@ bagless ball your right on the soul plate , I have the dc40 I normally use a dc25 and was shocked at how much better this thing cleaned than the dc25 , I don't like the fact that you cannot wheel the machine on its back wheels around from room to room. otherwise I love it

Post# 172969 , Reply# 17   3/12/2012 at 16:39 (2,949 days old) by baglessball ()        

Rock it onto its back wheels gentley and drag it backwards holding the handle low. Works a treat!

I have found with the 41 that the bottom end of the wand is angled the wrong way, it seem to impede the suction, if it was angled the other it wouldn't. That's not too much f a problem for me as I always bunch that part of the hose and use it as my grip. I wish the 41 would of had the same brushroll as the USA, but you can't have it all. The bristles in the 40 are a lot stiffer than the 41.

I had a problem with my first machine where it would lock upright, but wouldn't stay locked on the pivot of the head so if knocked it could fall over from side to side. When I explained to dyson that I was disappointed as I had always been a diehard dyson fan they swapped of for new one within the week. And let me keep all the tools from the old one! I hope it was just a lemon, time will tell!


Post# 173074 , Reply# 18   3/13/2012 at 09:34 (2,949 days old) by kirby (passadena md)        

dc41

Post# 173103 , Reply# 19   3/13/2012 at 16:07 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        
dc23 vs dc39/7

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Finally had a chance to get some photo's taken of these two.please excuse the boxes in the background , we are renovating( again sigh!!!) so my ofice has become a storage room.
The dc23 in the pic is the animal stowaway model , the new dc39/7 does not come in stowaway form which I personally think is great


Post# 173105 , Reply# 20   3/13/2012 at 16:13 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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side view hoses removed

Post# 173106 , Reply# 21   3/13/2012 at 16:21 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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Turbine head,
Not only is the new turbine head better in that its brush is bearing mounted at each end its smaller in size so its easier to move in tight spaces and features a form of ball movement to the neck. I normally hate turbine heads but this one is the best of every one I have ever seen and tested. it also features a pneumatic driven actuator that is operated by a air switch in the handle to stop the brush when going into hard flooring, so no more bending down to switch it off.
The bristles in the new turbine head are longer and stiffer it actually lifts the carpet pile.


Post# 173108 , Reply# 22   3/13/2012 at 16:25 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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dyson dc40 smaller than the 41

Post# 173110 , Reply# 23   3/13/2012 at 16:27 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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active sole plate

Post# 173111 , Reply# 24   3/13/2012 at 16:28 (2,948 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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active sole plate

Post# 173223 , Reply# 25   3/14/2012 at 14:08 (2,947 days old) by baglessball ()        
Gareth

Have you seen that there is a slight difference in design between the 40/41?

I have been to a local electrical store today and wheeled the machine over to a plug socket for a play! Really impressed with the new turbine head, it has stuff bristles and seems to pull itself along. The manoeuvrability is really nice too.

I tell myself all the time that I have too many. But I am really tempted to buy this now that I have had a go!


Post# 173227 , Reply# 26   3/14/2012 at 14:13 (2,947 days old) by baglessball ()        

How many rows of bristles does the 40 have?

Post# 173232 , Reply# 27   3/14/2012 at 14:22 (2,947 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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yes the dc41 is the bigger version, bigger bin capacity. Dc40 has two rows of very stiff bristles. they share the same motors so in a sense the dc40 gives you a more concentrated power.


Post# 173238 , Reply# 28   3/14/2012 at 14:50 (2,947 days old) by baglessball ()        

The uk version of the 40 only has one row of stiff bristles, and the uk website states that it has 55 less airwatts than the 41.

Damn the uk always changing stuff!!


Post# 173242 , Reply# 29   3/14/2012 at 15:43 (2,947 days old) by gsheen (Cape Town South Africa)        

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I could be wrong on the motor thing, I was going according to the diagrams, we don't get the dc41 although there are a few samples here




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