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Post# 167642   1/29/2012 at 10:54 (2,987 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Just thought I'd create a new thread to share your thoughts on pointless or hopeless vacuum cleaner accessories. I can think of a few, so just wondering what everyone elses thoughts are!




Post# 167645 , Reply# 1   1/29/2012 at 11:37 (2,987 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Hoover Dusting Brushes!

Hoover used to make decent dusting brushes, but in more recent years, they have become cheap, with hard, scratchy nylon bristles. You can't even buy an upgraded horsehair brush from Hoover - you have to use one from another manufacturer if you don't want fine scratches in plastics and furniture finishes.

I wish people had more backbone nowadays - this venture into unnecessary cheapness should have been over within a month, due to droves of customers returning new Hoovers because of substandard dusting brushes.

Frank Lloyd Wright said it best: "Be sure to get what you like, or else you will end up liking what you get."


Post# 167646 , Reply# 2   1/29/2012 at 11:44 (2,987 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
TriStar Rug Shoe:

The clip-on "rug shoe" included with late TriSTar CXL and DXL vacuums was another bad idea. The rug shoe clipped onto the hard floor tool, to cover its bristles and make it glide across carpet.

The problems were: The device often came unclipped while using it, and putting it onto the floor tool required some real caution if you were not to crush the floor tool's bristles.

I have one, for the sake of having an absolutely complete CXL, but I also have the real TriStar rug tool, for actual use.


Post# 167651 , Reply# 3   1/29/2012 at 14:04 (2,987 days old) by Sanifan ()        
Ah, you mean "hopeless," or...

Ha, ha. Depends on what you mean by hopeless. Do you mean hopelessly useless, hopelessly ineffective, hopelessly difficult to find or replace, hopelessly expensive or overpriced, hopelessly engineered? I guess there's plenty of room under "hopeless" to cover everyone's definition of it.

I find the original TriStar attachments hopeless to find at a reasonable price. I wish I could - I would sure love to find the aluminum floor nozzle and rug nozzle inexpensively. Over $100 for a floor tool? Yikes!

I also find Dyson attachments hopelessly overpriced. What? $30 for the mattress tool? A molded piece of plastic with some lint removal strips? Hopeless! And some of Dyson's hard floor attachments costing around $50? I'm sure they work well, but too expensive!


Post# 167652 , Reply# 4   1/29/2012 at 14:23 (2,987 days old) by vintagerepairer (England)        

Now now, let's not forget that James Dyson firmly believes in customers only spending money on the cleaner and that he's daed against companies who make money on the add-ons. Also, it would be poor form for me to suggest that the continual changing of the fittings on the accesories is because people would be able to use their old accesories on a Dyson cleaner. Heaven forbid that I should even hint that Dyson is making sure as few people as possible get away without buying new accesories.


Post# 167668 , Reply# 5   1/29/2012 at 17:50 (2,987 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Hopeless OR pointless as in something that is claimed to work but either doesn't or something that is supposed to work but doesn't. One huge example I can think of is when Hoover first brought out their Vortex upright bagless vacuums, based on the Purepower uprights. There were tons of these models ranging from the Hurricane to Cyclean. Anyway, Hoover UK thought it would be a good idea to bring out plastic bags - I remember them well - a plastic bag to line the canister bins so there would be no mess at all come the time to empty.

But most people I know just ended up using sandwich food bags...or nothing at all.


Post# 167705 , Reply# 6   1/29/2012 at 23:37 (2,987 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Well, those cheap turbo pet brushes count as hopeless. I'm talking about the ones about the size of a fist that go onto the end of a wand or hose. There are some well made ones, but the cheap ones are louder than heck (screamers: hearing protectors required), vibrate like crazy, and break real quick. Sometimes the mechanism gums up and there's so much friction in the rotating parts that it's essentially useless.

As for the overpriced attachments from Dyson, they aren't the only offenders. I just went online to look for a bare floor attachment for my Electrolux Ultralux. They also run $45 to $50! How can they be charging that much for a bare floor attachment? It really upset me.


Post# 167715 , Reply# 7   1/30/2012 at 03:57 (2,986 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

The most useless accessory I have is the turbo-nozzle that my miele came with (as seen in my first Tristar vs. Miele video), the brushroll is loose, by design, so that it can bounce up off the surface it's meant to be cleaning, so barely sweeps carpeting to any effect, and has soft bristles, so even if it does sweep, it doesn't really do much, all it needs is a couple of springs with enough tension to push the brushroll out to keep it in contact and to keep it stable, but, nope, they omitted that idea and the thing just sits in a box, unused and unwanted...

And one other accessory, that little clip-on brush that goes onto Kirby crevice tools, doesn't do anything for me, gets in the way, and often falls off, I understand the idea of it, but, nah, doesn't win my vote...


Post# 167721 , Reply# 8   1/30/2012 at 06:40 (2,986 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)        

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The only hopeless tool I have, is with my '08 JMB SC1056 Bagged cylinder.

It has a crevice tool, which in itself is great, as I LOVE the rubber bit on the end which stops any scratching to skirting boards, BUT, instead of also having a floor tool, all it has is a brush thing that slots into the end of the crevice tool.

It falls off all the time, and even if it stayed on, what use would it be!? Because it is so small I would be forever in a day getting anything cleaned with it opposed to the larger standard floor tools most Vacuum Cleaners come with.

Ugh, hate it.

Apart from that, all my other tools work fine...


Post# 167781 , Reply# 9   1/30/2012 at 17:11 (2,986 days old) by danemodsandy ()        
Khoi:

Your comments on the cost of tools for your Lux and TriStar machines is one of the reasons I wish people had a little more sense when it comes to taking care of vacuums. Even when people have paid a lot of money for an appliance, it somehow never occurs to them that replacement parts will be expensive. This makes it very costly to be careless with tools and attachments.

On your Lux, just be patient. The particular color of floor/rug tool (Fog Gray) that is correct for the Ultralux is not hard to find, and it turns up in thrift stores and yard sales. If you're patient, you can find good deals on eBay, too. The most expensive tools are the ones you have to have NOW.

I am a long way from being rich, but I have managed to put together full sets of attachments - in the correct colors - for four Lux machines and a TriStar. Patience is the key. The last time I needed a set of turquoise tools for a Lux 1205, it took a year - and then I suddenly found them dirt cheap.


Post# 167807 , Reply# 10   1/30/2012 at 22:06 (2,986 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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JM - the beauty of most cheap vacuums these days is that they measure 3.2cm/32mm at the end, so you could use any tool even from your Hoover Turbopower collection. I used a lot of my old Hoover tools when I had my Numatic James as the Numatic tools as good as they were, came across as too bulky - especially the round, long bristle type dusting brush. Much prefer the square one that came with the Turbopower 2/3 that was also part of existing kits for the Arrianne, Telios and Alpina cylinder ranges.

Miele tools can be quite expensive too. I was quite surprised that at times it was cheaper to source from Miele than Comet who at one time sold a whole long line of different accessories like the STB 205 turbo brush that comes with the S5 Cat and Dog model. I think Comet realised that some savvy buyers were buying the base S5210/S5211/S5 model and then upgrading in their own time instead of shelling out more money at the time for specific models with these kinds of tools as standard.

Another "tool" of total wasted money is the "Vac Saver," a kind of two way plastic bagless cyclonic dust bin that fits over one suction tube at the top and another at the bottom as a go between if you want to change your canister vac to a bagless vacuum. Good idea in theory but the plastic top and bottom was never long enough to suitably grip the suction tubes in (plus you'd need a vacuum with separate pipes).


Post# 169314 , Reply# 11   2/12/2012 at 09:16 (2,973 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Im not a fan of the 3 in 1 tool that Vax have with their Mach Air series. Not discounting the pet hair tool which is okay, it's the cup design of the slide on, slide off upholstery tool I hate. Absolutely lousy and of little use at all.

Post# 169394 , Reply# 12   2/13/2012 at 01:46 (2,973 days old) by Sanifan ()        

Thanks for the words of encouragement, Sandy. I'm always on the lookout, so hopefully those tools will turn up soon at an affordable price. Fingers crossed!

Another hopeless tool: some of those generic hard floor tools that turn out to have no sound engineering behind them. I picked one up for my Tristar recently. It wasn't cheap - $24.

It sure felt good to push around, what with the natural horse hair and the two little wheels on the sides. But the nozzle opening is way too big. Just a big rectangular opening with no engineering to it. While there's a lot of airflow right where the wand enters due to the Tristar's powerful motor, there's just no suction across the width of the nozzle due to the lack of proper engineering. It can only pick up the finest, lightest dust. Even a small wad of paper the size of a small spitwad gets left behind unless it's right under the hole where the wand enters it. A true piece of crap, and I warn everyone to stay away from this design! A truly hopeless tool if there ever was one.


Post# 169395 , Reply# 13   2/13/2012 at 01:54 (2,973 days old) by kirbylux77 (Orillia, Ontario, Canada)        

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I am not a huge fan of the Kenmore floor brush that comes with their canisters. Sure, the design with the brushes in the centre is effective & cleans floors well, BUT the angle that the nozzle neck is at means that for a tall guy like me, I have to stoop down a bit while pushing it across the floor! It's annoying enough that I don't even use it anymore, I just use a generic floor brush with my Kenmore's.

Rob


Post# 169396 , Reply# 14   2/13/2012 at 01:59 (2,973 days old) by Sanifan ()        

By the way, out of the four hard floor tools that I had on hand, the only really good one was a medium sized grey one with natural hair that came with a supplementary hose and tool set meant for a Carpet Pro CPU 1 or 2 upright vacuum. Incidentally, the head profile of this tool is very similar in shape to that of the Sebo Felix parquet floor tool.

Lesson learned - not all tools work as they are supposed to. Word of mouth suggestions from hard learned lessons are gold, here.



Post# 270500 , Reply# 15   3/6/2014 at 16:04 (2,220 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Turbo powered brushes; once suction/airflow has greatly diminished. An electric PN cleans far better & more efficient than a turbo brush ever could

 

Even a Lux SideKick will outperform a Hoover WindTunnel brush like this one




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Post# 270501 , Reply# 16   3/6/2014 at 16:17 (2,220 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Hoovers 3in1 Tool. Useless because the air is being forced through the narrow tool & it makes a load so noise. Plus mine cracked a lint picker off & made it even more useless.

Post# 270504 , Reply# 17   3/6/2014 at 16:47 (2,220 days old) by Adamthemieleman (North Yorkshire )        

I think Dyson tools are pretty good, they have one of the best dusting brushes in the market, and that brilliant flexible crevice (very handy for cleaning under fridges).

May be optional, but at least Dyson offers the user a choice, who was it who showed the cacky tool that comes with new vax machines?
Not only are they pointless, but the holder isn't much use either, I constantly have to keep going round re-attaching them. Says it all really, nasty cheap rubbish!

Aeg's multi tool is OK though, it has a good dusting brush on it.

I'm constantly being asked why a machine for 60 has rubbish attachments as well as being, you know, generally rubbish. Seriously, what do you expect for peanuts?!


Post# 270509 , Reply# 18   3/6/2014 at 17:58 (2,220 days old) by ctvacman (CT)        

Combo tools from dyson, the worst tool I have ever used is the 3 in1 from Bosch on the electro premium prestige I bought. Small and useles

Post# 270511 , Reply# 19   3/6/2014 at 18:43 (2,220 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        
Dyson tools

Were the best on the market at one time, if of course one overlooks the fact that the necks on the small upholstery tools were forever snapping off. Dyson did eventually modify that. The large round dusting brushes and wide crevice tools were great at the job they were designed to do.

Quite why Dyson then decided to dispense with them, I don't know. I expect it was to do with cost, but with anything that carries a large price tag, a balance has to be met when it comes to trimming back the quality; you can only go so far and for me, Dyson crosses a line.

I completely take on board the comments that with a Dyson cleaner the consumer gets the choice of paying for the attachments they need, but at one time of the day it was "standard" for all cylinder cleaners to have one or more floor tools to clean both hard and soft flooring (be this a combination tool or separate tools), plus crevice tool, dusting brush, and upholstery tool. Granted that upright cleaners came with a variation on that, but then the tools were never the chief reason for the purchasing of such a machine. As time progressed it was only the cheaper (and usually imported) cylinder cleaners which offered less than the "standard" range of tools, but for me Dyson has placed itself squarely in the same league by not offering what one might expect a cleaner of it's caliber to offer.

Furthermore, James Dyson makes no secret that he thinks it's "wrong" for a manufacturer to sell a product and then charge for on-going consumables. By not providing the tools which people need and then charging extra for it (for instance a crevice tool for the DC24), he is doing precisely what he believes to be "wrong".


Post# 270512 , Reply# 20   3/6/2014 at 18:51 (2,220 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

Decent cleaning tools:



Post# 270513 , Reply# 21   3/6/2014 at 18:59 (2,220 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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The new 3 in 1 tools mentioned in some of the posts above seem to me to be almost useless. They seem to be coming on so many vacuums now. Even some full size canisters, like the new Hoover Quietforce has them.

Also the newer Kenmore Progressive canister attachments can be a bit hard to use. The crevice tool has vents in the side that seem to divert almost all airflow from the narrow end. I don't understand why there are vents there. The dusting brush is slightly bulky, and can't be swiveled to fit in tight spaces. But it is better than the combo tools, large enough to do the job and has decent horsehair bristles. The upholstery tool seems to be mainly for pet hair, but does an okay job. The floor brush is actually better than the older ones, the neck swivels up and down, and the nozzle has a felt pad to prevent dragging as mentioned in a post above. And it has horsehair bristles.

The lower end lime and orange canisters have a better crevice tool, but the dusting/upholstery tool is the one from the uprights. It's small and has very stiff nylon bristles. The floor brush is the older one mentioned above that dates back to the 1980s and also has very stiff bristles. At least the hose is universal fit for better attachments.

The Intuition canister also has a better crevice tool and there is a decent horsehair dusting/upholstery tool from older Progressives, and a horsehair angle brush.


Post# 270559 , Reply# 22   3/7/2014 at 06:52 (2,219 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Panasonic used to have a gaping hole at the start of their long crevice tools equipped with their bagless vacuums - I think it was just to offer a true vent to minimise the pull of suction through the narrower tapered end.

I do agree though - the 3 in 1 tool as seen by Dyson and then copied by Vax/TTI on the Windtunnel Air is next to useless, it smacks of cheapness and often the same "pull down brush" types on those stubby crevice tools you'd get with many a cheap Chinese built vacuum. Even the Hoover Studio/Hoover Compact canister in the U.S has one of those! They're next to pointless, really.

I used to have a set of Dyson tools that I used with Henry. Far more effective and quite happy for them to get damaged than other 32mm sets I have. The dust brush was also great with the Argos Value bagged upright and could be slid onto the top of the crevice tool when stored at the back of the vacuum.


Post# 270580 , Reply# 23   3/7/2014 at 14:15 (2,219 days old) by citroenbx (england)        
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Post# 270593 , Reply# 24   3/7/2014 at 15:57 (2,219 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        
1993 to 1998

Actually, that's not quite right. The very first dusting brush and upholstery tools for the DC01 were the same generic types as used on many, many cleaners, including Bosch & their Hotpoint counterparts, but most notably so on the Electrolux Dolphin cylinders and earlier Hoover Turbopower & Turbomaster Total systems. For Dyson, the design changed somewhere between 1993 and 1995, when the DC02 went on sale, using the dusting brush you pictured, Citreon.

From here, a the larger Dyson dusting brush was designed and put out with the DC01 Absolute and DC01 De Stijl cleaners in the early part of 1997. But it wasn't until around 1999 that the basic grey & yellow cleaners were given the larger dusting brush (and indeed larger crevice tool & articulated upholstery tool), and for the DC02 -where all the tools needed to be the right shape and size of course, so as to fit inside the tool caddy- the tools were never changed, right up until the model was discontinued in the year 2000.



Post# 270614 , Reply# 25   3/7/2014 at 19:23 (2,219 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Ryan, my 43 doesn't have tge holes in the crevice tool.

Post# 270625 , Reply# 26   3/7/2014 at 20:22 (2,219 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well aren't you lucky.



Post# 270628 , Reply# 27   3/7/2014 at 20:27 (2,219 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Well indeed.

Post# 270640 , Reply# 28   3/7/2014 at 22:48 (2,219 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)        

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Hopeless finds? Kirby made several of these...

1. 13" nozzle (and brush roll) for models Heritage (84) (1HD), Heritage II (Legend) and Legend II (both 2HD).

2. Handi-Butler (1st-gen) - sold during sales of the 509 through the Heritage I (1HD); dropped in March 1983. Changes were made to this model in 1958 (Mk. II), 1962 (Mk. III), 1965 (Mk. IV) and 1976 ("Mk. V"). Handi-Sharpener and flexible shaft first introduced for this device in 1953 (model 513 sales), and drill chuck were introduced with the 1962 "Mk. III" update (model 562 sales). Swedish massage attachment added during Classic (1CR) sales and continued into Classic Omega (1CB) sales, but it along with the Handi-Sharpener/accessories and wire wheel were dropped after 1976 when the Omega was replaced by the Classic III (2CB). For the "Mk. V" version (plastic front cover) sold during Classic III, Tradition (3CB) and Heritage I sales, a jig saw accessory was added, but it was subsequently discontinued one year into Tradition sales.

3. Handi-Waxer - sold as an option during sales of the 561 through the Classic; sat out during the Omega years, but would return after the Omega was replaced by the Classic III; discontinued again after spring 1983, during Heritage I sales.

4. Roll-O-Waxer - essentially the predecessor to the 1st-gen Miracle Waxer, optional for the Dual Sanitronic 50 and 80.

5. Miracle Waxer (old style) - sold as optional for the Classic and Classic Omega; dropped after the Omega was superseded by the Classic III. Unlike its predecessor, the Miracle Waxer wax comes packaged in 12 oz. and 32 oz. bottles instead of a tube.

6. Turbo Brush - sold during sales of the Heritage I and during the first sales season of the Heritage II. A similar product is/was available that is called the "Rug Rat."

7. Turbo Groom - sold during Heritage I sales. This includes a hair clipper unit and accessories.

8. Care Kit - also sold during Heritage I sales.

~Ben


Post# 270655 , Reply# 29   3/8/2014 at 03:33 (2,218 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        
43

What cleaner is a 43?

Post# 270659 , Reply# 30   3/8/2014 at 04:56 (2,218 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Post# 270666 , Reply# 31   3/8/2014 at 06:25 (2,218 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ah but its not bagless is, Alex? Had you actually read my post I say "bagless uprights" by Panasonic.

Post# 270667 , Reply# 32   3/8/2014 at 06:55 (2,218 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK)        

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I had an AEG/Electrolux nimble about 3 years ago and their vacuums now come with this stupid "versatool", a crevice tool and upholstery tool in one, which was hopeless. There was no tight seal meaning it was useless as a crevice tool, and a ridiculously small suction port so it didn't work as an upholstery tool either. And it was bulky, always falling off the cleaner.

Post# 270678 , Reply# 33   3/8/2014 at 09:37 (2,218 days old) by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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Oh right apologies then, Ryan.

Post# 270711 , Reply# 34   3/8/2014 at 11:51 (2,218 days old) by fan-of-fans (USA)        

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That hole in the crevice tool must have been on European models perhaps? I know the Kenmore versions here didn't have it. We always had that really long crevice tool that could also be used as an extra wand for the dusting brush. They really could use that hole because the suction would make the hose spring back when the crevice tool was put on.

Post# 270753 , Reply# 35   3/8/2014 at 17:08 (2,218 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Stupid short crevice tools that have the flip down 'dusting brush' on the end

Post# 270780 , Reply# 36   3/8/2014 at 19:38 (2,218 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        
Stupid short crevice tools that have the flip down 'dust

Lol more like DC25's, and I hate how the DC24 multi floor has 1 tool, which is a 3 in 1 tool.
The DC07 crevice tool is something I use the least, only because of the holes, but I normally use the end of the wand now instead of bothering to put tools at the end unless necessary.

The Dyson DC04 tools are the best IMHO

The DC14 crevice tool has the large hole and a stupid bend to it which makes it awkward vacuuming inbetween the car seats etc.
The Dyson kits have some nice tools provided though like a nice big soft dusting brush, stubborn dirt brush which is 5 from Mvacs
Flexi crevice tool with a nice brush at the end which is removable, and a mini turbine head which speeds up when there is restricted airflow!


Post# 270789 , Reply# 37   3/8/2014 at 20:47 (2,218 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Another hopeless tool that springs to mind is one I bought well over 10 years ago and came in three parts with a cyclonic "filter" inside that clipped to the top and bottom "in between" two suction tubes. It claimed to be a "Bagless dust cup" that saved you from buying bags.

It worked - kind of - but would often fall apart from the two tubes. I think a newer one is available under different brands like Nilfisk and other generic universal brands. It might have improved, but I never once found it to be "bag saving" despite its good invention design.



Post# 270818 , Reply# 38   3/9/2014 at 05:56 (2,217 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I'm sure that is under the Hometek name somewhere.

Post# 270885 , Reply# 39   3/9/2014 at 16:31 (2,217 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

That " bag saver" was featured on the last line of Wertheim bagged cylinder models, although I cant see how it would have saved bags, seeing as it would let through the fine dust that clogs the bag's pores, and stop the larger particles, so the bag would still clog and need replacing even though it wasn't full.

 

I think the most useless accessory was the Kirby "massager" that was supplied with many models as an optional extra. How could anyone want a massage with it when it made such a loud noise in use was beyond me.


Post# 270906 , Reply# 40   3/9/2014 at 17:35 (2,217 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

This is what I mean...

Post# 270907 , Reply# 41   3/9/2014 at 17:36 (2,217 days old) by beko1987 (Stokenchurch, United Kingdom)        

Useless hopeless pile of crap! No idea what machine it cane from. Possibly many...

Post# 270909 , Reply# 42   3/9/2014 at 17:38 (2,217 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

3 guesses at where that was made eh Beko? China, China, or China?


Post# 270940 , Reply# 43   3/9/2014 at 19:30 (2,217 days old) by anthony (leeds uk)        
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its got to be that useless gismo Kirby have i think its use is for head massage what a total waste of plastic dont get me wrong i love my kirby but that thing has to take top place on this thread guys

Post# 270944 , Reply# 44   3/9/2014 at 19:43 (2,217 days old) by Vintagerepairer (England)        

At the price which people pay for Kirby cleaners in the UK, I'd like to see an attachment which examines the consumers head from the inside, rather than massaging it from the outside.

As I said in another thread just now, I'm all for people buying what they want at a price they are happy to pay, but I've never been able to see the attraction of spending such a vast amount of money on a vacuum cleaner when there are plenty more cheaper alternatives


Post# 270947 , Reply# 45   3/9/2014 at 19:53 (2,217 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Kirby massager

That's exactly what I said - having experienced how noisy these things are, they would have given the user a headache, let alone a comfortable massage! They were better to be use as a sanding tool with a sanding pad attached.


Post# 270949 , Reply# 46   3/9/2014 at 19:57 (2,217 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Benny - like Dyson, Kirby employ salesmen whose job it is to convince a prospective buyer that their life is just not complete unless they have a Kirby vacuum cleaner.

Dyson uses the media to sell his vacs to people, and pressure salesmen when they go to the likes of Currys. Kirby relies on pressure salesmen alone, who will come into your home and wont leave until you have signed on the dotted line. More often its the older generation how fall victim to these salesmen. They will agree to buy a Kirby just to get rid of the salesman out of their house, then sell the Kirby on ebay a few months or years later virtually unused.


Post# 271061 , Reply# 47   3/10/2014 at 14:29 (2,216 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, its like that with everything though isn't it? I mean, there I was quite happy with my parents old LG washer until it required a couple of parts that weren't justified to repair and I'd be better off with a new LG washer. I stuck with LG because i've been happy with their performance.

However for those who can afford it, Miele make really expensive washing machines. Yes, they're well made and yes they're well thought out with some really unique features - but that's my choice to stay with LG "middle premium," compared to expensively over priced machines that do the same thing as the LG, yet uses an old drive belt to turn the drum.

Pressure sales in a public franchise are nothing to worry about - you can walk away - whereas a Vorwerk home demo or Kirby pressurises you to sign on the dotted line - they are not the same.


Post# 271067 , Reply# 48   3/10/2014 at 14:47 (2,216 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I've been pleased with LG as well - they have come a long way since the days of  when they were "Goldstar" as Benny said elsewhere

Hence the name LG, comes from Lucky Goldstar. I remember the old Goldstar video recorders and other electricals, and also as Benny said, they were not that brilliant in quality. Since they have been LG, they have improved their image no end.


Post# 271223 , Reply# 49   3/11/2014 at 03:53 (2,215 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

The Kirby tool I don't like is that stupid bare floor-carpet combo tool.and other brand floor-carpet combo tools-none of these work good-and some of the combo tools the carpet brush pops down if the tool is bumpted.And of course the other combo tools mentioned-I want separate attachments-forget the "James Bond" stuff.Esp for the price you pay for the Kirby-they could provide separate floor and carpet tools for the hose wand.Or for bare floors the duster pad that attaches to the regular carpet nozzle.

Post# 273386 , Reply# 50   3/25/2014 at 05:57 (2,201 days old) by godfreys_guy (Melbourne, Australia)        
Wertheim Dust Accelerator

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"That " bag saver" was featured on the last line of Wertheim bagged cylinder models, although I cant see how it would have saved bags, seeing as it would let through the fine dust that clogs the bag's pores, and stop the larger particles, so the bag would still clog and need replacing even though it wasn't full."

Yes it also gave an electric shock to many people, myself included. It was my store manager at the time that ordered the recall. In Fact, it had been recalled once before, and once after the linked recall!

Let's face it, there are lots of hopeless accessories but this takes the cake for also being very dangerous.


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Post# 326415 , Reply# 51   6/4/2015 at 13:14 (1,765 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

That "bag saver" was included with the Eureka Europa canisters here in the USA

Post# 328254 , Reply# 52   6/28/2015 at 06:21 (1,741 days old) by Mike81 ()        
HQ Turbo Brush

Easily the HQ Turbo Brush Vario. It is sold under several brand names and is apparently quite popular. Watch the picture and you may recognize it. It is cheap copy of Wessel Werk TK 284.
What makes it almost useless is the brush bar position. It DOES have floating mechanism, BUT it is locked to the upper position so it barely touches the carpet.
You have take it apart and modify it so floating mechanism allow brush bar to freely float like it supposed to do.
This is one of those thinks what makes you wonder. What they were thinking!


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Post# 328376 , Reply# 53   6/30/2015 at 12:04 (1,739 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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That reminds me of the Hoover J57 "Grande" turbo nozzle that Hoover UK sent me to use instead of the awful floor tools with my 32mm fitting Idol bagged stick vacuum. It has to be the worst turbo nozzle I have ever used. I tried it on my TeliosPlus with a 35mm adaptor and the thing just refuses to move. Tried it on my 32mm fitting Zanussi bagged cylinder vacuum with 1800 watts and it still refuses to whizz up. It's a Hoover branded turbo brush but there's nothing "grand" about it IMHO.

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Post# 328382 , Reply# 54   6/30/2015 at 13:27 (1,739 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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There must be something jamming it up on the inside. Can you spin it with your fingers?


Post# 328387 , Reply# 55   6/30/2015 at 15:06 (1,739 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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it spins freely but it is just very slow and poorly made.

Post# 328396 , Reply# 56   6/30/2015 at 16:35 (1,739 days old) by human (Pines of Carolina)        
Any turbo nozzle

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I have never encountered any turbo nozzle of any brand that works worth a toot. As soon as you bring it in contact with the carpet, it stops spinning. Now, I will admit I haven't tried every turbo nozzle out there but the universal disappointment I have experienced with the ones I have tried leads me to believe firmly that if a nozzle has a rotating brush and it doesn't have a motor driving it, it's a useless hunk of plastic. I will accept the possibility--however remote it may be--that there is a turbo nozzle out there somewhere that actually works as advertised, but I've decided to stop trying to look for it.

Post# 328403 , Reply# 57   6/30/2015 at 17:54 (1,739 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well, the Wessel Werk ones made by Miele and SEBO both appear to work to a high speed for me but both have air valve outlets that compensate for the "driving down" into carpet that reduces the spin. Hoover Europe have started doing "their own" in the form of Chinese copied "H-Lab" branded tools and in some cases, it shows up badly when it comes to performing. The one I bought as shown in the previous post has a slider but it actually stops the nozzle from spinning for cleaning hard floors. It doesn't do a good job at all, and even when slid to activate for spinning brushes, there's hardly any spin.

Post# 328420 , Reply# 58   7/1/2015 at 07:47 (1,738 days old) by Mike81 ()        

I have owned several different turbo nozzles and only one that have acceptable brushing power is the Electrolux ZE 013. Bristles in it stick out from the sole plate quite much. Brush roll in it has spring loaded float mechanism. Not free floating like others I have used.
However I tend to use the powerhead much more often (obvious reasons).
In the link my Electrolux ZE 013 turbo nozzle in action.


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Post# 329638 , Reply# 59   7/19/2015 at 09:28 (1,720 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

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I got several crappy and useless attachments I plan to toss in fire. The dusting brush I got with my Dirt Devil canister doesn't fit into the hose. I also have the same kind of crevice tool as the one Beko1987 was talking about.

I went to the Vac Shack store in Ottawa to get a new dusting brush and a new crevice tool and there, the shop-owner gave me the replacement tools for Kenmore canisters free of charge. They're a bit damaged although they're compatible with the Dirt Devil hose.

Unfortunately, I had issues with these tools. When I attached the brush to the hose and turned on the canister, the wall that separated the bristles from the hole was being sucked inwards. I removed this wall with a knife, and then the bristles were being sucked inwards. The crevice tool is better than the first one but has a fissure at the connection site which is more visible when connected to the hose.

I visited the Chapman boutique to get better replacement tools and bought three tools. A new dusting brush, a new crevice tool and a super long and flexible crevice tool. The first two accessories are even better that the ones they're supposed to replace but the longer crevice tool's not as good as I expected.


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Post# 329650 , Reply# 60   7/19/2015 at 14:08 (1,720 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Ive used the first tool, which isn't so bad. At least the dust channel isn't covered over with bristles. The bushier types are more inclined to get stuck over the dust channel.

Post# 330748 , Reply# 61   8/1/2015 at 20:15 (1,707 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        
Now the long and flexible crevice tool

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At one point when I tested the long and flexible crevice tool (LFCT), there was a clog. I took of the tip and in the pictures, you get to understand why I consider the tool ineffective. On end is large while the other is narrow. Unlike the other useless and crappy accessories, which I destroyed, the LFCT is intact and I'm considering returning it to the store and get a refund.

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Post# 330804 , Reply# 62   8/2/2015 at 16:37 (1,706 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Not all long flexi crevice tools are the same. That one looks very similar to the one made by Miele. Has a silly removable crevice bit at the top which often means it is liable to get stuck under things and come off when the whole of the crevice tool is pulled back out. Thanks for reminding me!

Post# 334431 , Reply# 63   9/22/2015 at 07:30 (1,655 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

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Now, the crappy attachments I have have faced a consequence for being crap. Here, I'll show you all.

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Post# 334442 , Reply# 64   9/22/2015 at 11:17 (1,655 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine)        

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What are those attachments and how did this happen?


Post# 334452 , Reply# 65   9/22/2015 at 14:11 (1,655 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
It's a shame to see that those tools were

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made here in The U.S. :((

Post# 334491 , Reply# 66   9/23/2015 at 02:53 (1,655 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Burn&Shred-what tools were they???

Post# 334546 , Reply# 67   9/24/2015 at 07:14 (1,653 days old) by jodan3399 (Brownsville, PA)        

Another vote here for those power brush attachments. Ugh.


My favorite had to be that nylon feather duster type thing that came equipped on a certain model orange Eureka. Seriously how was that a good idea? LOL


Post# 334547 , Reply# 68   9/24/2015 at 07:30 (1,653 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

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They're the same tools as the ones in the pictures in the reply #59. I burnt them with fire, cut them with a knife and smashed them with a tenderizer.

And yes, the Kenmore dusting brush was made in USA and shame on the people who designed it.


Post# 334937 , Reply# 69   9/30/2015 at 19:22 (1,647 days old) by kirby519 (Wisconsin)        

I agree there are many "tools" that come with the machines that just don't make any sense at all. and are totally useless for any cleaning task. I for one like individual tools that are sized and made for the task they were designed for. The combo tools are a joke in my book. Or the tool is so undersized that you may as well just use the end of the hose.

The hand butler unit for the Kirby was a good idea. Just not really practical for some tasks when a power tool designed for that job is easier to use and more powerful than a belt driven attachment. And yes who would want to listen to the roar of the vacuum when trying to relax from a nice massage. It is incredible how many of those types of attachments are on a shelf in the closet / basement or tossed out in the dumpster after the sale and or one time use.


Post# 334979 , Reply# 70   10/1/2015 at 01:48 (1,647 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I thought the air powered hairshears that came with some Kirbys was useful--Kirbys answer to the Flobee.The thing does work and vacuums the clippings.The air powered pad sander works well,too-esp when used with an NSS M1 with an adaptor.Does a good job of sanding wallboard ,nail spakling and getting rid of the dust.You can put the sander on the wands for high up places!The air powered Handi Butler with the Sentrias was a joke.Not powerful enough for much of anything.A Dremel tool is MUCH better!!Just use Kirby to clean after the Dremel tool has been used!

Post# 335067 , Reply# 71   10/2/2015 at 11:56 (1,645 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)        

Electrolux short crevice tool that came since the plastic 2100 canisters introduced in the USA; which is included with the Lux Classic. I prefer the long full sized crevice tool that has been around for yrs; but are they still available from Aerus?

Rainbow AeroFresh bag


Post# 337132 , Reply# 72   11/9/2015 at 07:21 (1,607 days old) by moderneezer (Gatineau, Quebec, Canada)        

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I have another crappy attachment, which is a floor brush. It didn't came with the Dirt Devil set (which I learned from a Dirt Devil website) but while my grandmother still had the vacuum, she most likely just bought the floor brush or someone gave it to her.

You could see that the brush strip can be placed in the front or at the back. I don't know what the rubber strip is for. Configurations aside, this floor tool cleans the floor just poorly.

After I got a new and better floor brush from the Chapman boutique, I punished the old one and in the two last pictures, you can see the consequence the nozzle faced for being crap.


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Post# 337136 , Reply# 73   11/9/2015 at 11:43 (1,607 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I got a similar one with my old Karcher wet and dry vac (the vac didn't last) but the rubber squeegee is supposed to be used for drying wet surfaces. Im puzzled if you got this with a dry suction collecting vacuum.

Post# 337145 , Reply# 74   11/9/2015 at 15:12 (1,607 days old) by parwaz786 ( )        

Maybe he got it used and the seller decided to chuck in a vacuum tool they found Around the house? That happened to me in the past.

Post# 337196 , Reply# 75   11/10/2015 at 02:46 (1,606 days old) by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Guess the tool FAILED the "TEST"Got burned and crushed!-Yes think that tool must have come with a wet-dry vacuum or floor cleaner.Beleive Rainbow has a similar tool as an option for their machine.




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