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HOOVER Ranger Broken Down... |
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Post# 162664   12/19/2011 at 06:19 (4,806 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Less than a week to Christmas, and what festive cheer is my HOOVER Senior Ranger bringing me ? A break down! :(
Today I took the Ranger out to vacuum the house, and after only 15 seconds of cleaning it turned off, then turned back on again. I thought it was probably a loose connection on the cord, and decided I'd continue cleaning the house and check it out later. Well when I got started on the next room it did it again, but didn't turn back on this time, no matter how much I rattled the cord around. I turned it off at the plug, and when I turned it back on again, it worked, then cut out and wouldn't go back on again (although it probably would have if I turned the plug off and on like I did before). I decided to leave it and use the Turbopower to finish up, and now I need your help. The only thing I've noticed that may be of any help is that the little cord "holder" on the handle is allowing the cord to slide through it rather than holding it firmly as it was before. 34 years of flawless service and it dies just before Christmas... |
Post# 162673 , Reply# 1   12/19/2011 at 08:05 (4,806 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield. East Midlands)   |   | |
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Sounds to me like the cord has broken down, somehwere around the upper cable guide like you suggest. Is it the original cable, for I remember when I used one of these as my daily driver I had to replace the flex too - and not when it was that old either.
The good news is that it is a very easy repair, just cut the flex (do make sure it is unplugged of course) a little beyond the point of the cable guide (on the "good" side of course) and reconnect to the cleaner. Hopefully the overall flex should not be too short, but it is easily replaced - the original cable was white anyway. For North American members - the flex and switching arrangements in the Uk are different - the flex goes down the outside of the handle to a footswitch - it was done that way from model 612 (1950) onwards Al |
Post# 162674 , Reply# 2   12/19/2011 at 08:17 (4,806 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162678 , Reply# 3   12/19/2011 at 09:43 (4,806 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield. East Midlands)   |   | |
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Having cut the flex, remove the remaining flex from the cleaner and re-attach the "good" length of cable to the cleaner. If you are not sure about re-newing the connection on the cleaner (its really easy as I remember it) you could use a cable connector - one with cord grips on either side - NOT block connectors
Al |
Post# 162687 , Reply# 4   12/19/2011 at 12:18 (4,806 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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I would check all the obvious stuff first before doing anything dramatic like the plug etc |
Post# 162689 , Reply# 5   12/19/2011 at 13:09 (4,806 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162730 , Reply# 6   12/19/2011 at 21:30 (4,806 days old) by broomvac (N/A)   |   | |
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Post# 162753 , Reply# 7   12/20/2011 at 06:32 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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I've decided if I do find it is a problem with the cable, I'll just replace it all.
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Post# 162773 , Reply# 8   12/20/2011 at 10:50 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162778 , Reply# 9   12/20/2011 at 10:54 (4,805 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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Cant make anything out mate its all blurry? |
Post# 162781 , Reply# 10   12/20/2011 at 10:57 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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I don't know if you can see it in the picture, but there were only about three strands of wire from the brown lead actually in contact with the plug.
I pushed the lead in further so that all the cable was connecting with the plug, put the cover back on, plugged it in, and with trepidation pressed the power button on the cleaner... And she roared into life sounding even better than before! And also, the "Hedlite" was even brighter than before, LEADing (pun intended) me to believe that the brown cable had been loose for a while, creating a lack of power making the light dimmer and the motor not to run as well. I'm so chuffed that my HOOVER is back in business! :) Oh, and before I go, here is a picture of something amazing - The original 13 Amp "NETTLE" fuse from 1977! I thought it would have been replaced some time down the line, but it seems not. I did think the screws on the plug looked like they'd never been turned before, and that must be why! ![]() |
Post# 162782 , Reply# 11   12/20/2011 at 10:58 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162787 , Reply# 12   12/20/2011 at 11:19 (4,805 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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Well thats good its running and thats why i said check the plug before doing anything dramatic, because sometimes it is something daft. I am from Glasgow what about you? |
Post# 162788 , Reply# 13   12/20/2011 at 11:23 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162794 , Reply# 16   12/20/2011 at 11:35 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162795 , Reply# 17   12/20/2011 at 11:37 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162799 , Reply# 20   12/20/2011 at 11:54 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162800 , Reply# 21   12/20/2011 at 11:57 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162801 , Reply# 22   12/20/2011 at 12:04 (4,805 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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All my machines have 13amp fuses and the only one with an origonal plug is my 1354A which has a Manweb plug on where it was purchased many years ago but not by me. |
Post# 162802 , Reply# 23   12/20/2011 at 12:06 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162804 , Reply# 25   12/20/2011 at 12:14 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 162806 , Reply# 26   12/20/2011 at 12:20 (4,805 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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Well i aint replacing them they have been there for years without a problem. |
Post# 162817 , Reply# 31   12/20/2011 at 12:56 (4,805 days old) by juniorsenior ()   |   | |
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You are right well i dont have any 3 so i put in a 5 for now. |
Post# 162821 , Reply# 32   12/20/2011 at 13:08 (4,805 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Well I checked my Electrolux and to my surprise it has a 3 Amp fuse in it! I could swear I saw a 13 Amp one when I last had the plug open... Must be my memory failing!
As for the Ranger, I went up 5 minutes ago and fitted an old 3 Amp fuse I found in my cupboard, so hopefully it hasn't already blown. I'll find out next time I go to use it, but providing it hasn't blown, all is electrically safe there! As for the other cleaners with 13 Amp fuses fitted, I'm going to leave them as they are, as I read on a couple of sites that the standard rule of thumb is 3 Amp for under 700W and 13 Amp for over 700W. |
Post# 162846 , Reply# 33   12/20/2011 at 14:24 (4,805 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield. East Midlands)   |   | |
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Whilst I agree with 2cvbloke in general, older Electrolux 90/100/310/330/345 models actually do need a 13amp fuse - they will blow a 3 amp. Dont ask me why, it may have to do with a surge on startup. Some later versions lower range models (80 for example which started at 400W but ended up at 550W) which had uprated motors may also be the same
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Post# 162966 , Reply# 35   12/21/2011 at 05:29 (4,804 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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I knew I was unlucky, but not this unlucky!
After only vacuuming half of my bedroom an hour ago, I heard a "bang" and heard the dreaded high pitched noise that comes from a motor spinning freely! Needless to say I took the belt cover off to find it snapped in half. One problem after another! I've ordered a pack of two new belts from eBay, so when they arrive I'll be back in business. But man, how unlucky... The belt was only about a month old too! |
Post# 163248 , Reply# 36   12/24/2011 at 10:54 (4,801 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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What you need to bear in mind when fitting fuses on vacuums is that the motor can draw a high initial current on start up, so the 3 amp fuse may not be suitable. This is especially the case if you use the attachments on the senior, which boosts the motor power.
Hoover used to recommend a 5 amp fuse on the Hoover Junior 1354 for this reason (current surge). I would not be inclined to use a 3 amp fuse on the Senior, since it is likely to blow if used on tools. This happened to me at Al's with Seamus's Hoover Convertible, albeit a 110 volt imported machine. I only had a 5 amp fuse in the transformer and it took it out when powered up on tools. To be honest I'm not sure if the wattage on this compared with the UK 240 volt model; the current draw may be a bit higher? In many cases 13 amp fuse are fitted since 3 and 13 amp are the common sizes in the UK. I know what you mean about protection..but remember that you are protecting the cable, more so than the appliance. eg if you used a table light flex on a fire with a 13 amp fuse then the cable would set on fire. This is not likely to be a problem on your ranger, since a dead short on the cable or machine will take the fuse out. Just make sure that you use a suitable 2 core cable. 0.75mm 2 core is more than adequate for up to 6 amps. I would expect the Senior to take roughly 1.7 amps under no load when set up without tools (400 watts), approx 400/230 and 2.6 amps with tools. However, it could be 2 or 3 times this amount when switched on! Stephen |
Post# 163251 , Reply# 37   12/24/2011 at 11:32 (4,801 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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the recommended rating for the 6525C Senior and it is 13 Amp..so DO NOT use a 3 amp fuse on the U4002/4014 Ranger; it is NOT suitable, due to high start-up current!
The standard motor fitted will not draw more than between about 1.7 and 2.6 amps under normal running conditions but it will briefly be somewhat more than this on start-up. However, if a 6 amp cable is fitted this is more than adequate to cope with the load, unlike a 3 Kilowatt fire with a 3 amp cable and 13 amp fuse, which will draw more than 12 amps under normal running and set the cable on fire. Whilst wishing to guard against the possiblity of more current being drawn in the event of a short circuit fault, what usually happens is that there is a dead short, the current drawn is much greater than the value of the fuse..but only for a short duration and this will take it out whether 3 or 13 amp regardless of motor power. Stephen |
Post# 163268 , Reply# 39   12/24/2011 at 15:51 (4,801 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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Post# 163276 , Reply# 40   12/24/2011 at 17:55 (4,801 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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Of Course, there is no harm in trying the lower rating of fuse but I doubt you will get away with it for long.
I might happen to mention that I do have 17th Edition Regs and also used to run a vac shop for 10 years. Sometimes, machines came in that didn't work with a fuse rating that was unsuitable. The only machine I can remember having a 3 amp fuse fitted as standard wasn't a vacuum but the relatively low powered Qualcast Concorde Lawnmower. Some of these only had a 280 watt motor and seemed to work ok with this fuse. You also need to try moving the 2 speed switch where the tools fit in to see whether boosting the power blows the smaller fuse. You don't need the convertor to do this, just something to activate the lever. Try holding it in before pressing the power switch, again when it's running. I expect it's more likely to go at start up. Stephen |
Post# 163590 , Reply# 42   12/28/2011 at 09:42 (4,797 days old) by jmurray01 (Scotland)   |   | |
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