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Post# 151444   9/14/2011 at 08:16 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        

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Hi, first time posting on vacuumland, normally fine me on automaticwashers.

This is the oldest vacuum I have come to own and wondered if any one else has one, and could tell me a bit about it date wise.

Here we go with some photos.
Lee


Post# 151445 , Reply# 1   9/14/2011 at 08:18 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Badge, Model 48 Serial 48/7856

Post# 151446 , Reply# 2   9/14/2011 at 08:19 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Post# 151447 , Reply# 3   9/14/2011 at 08:20 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Post# 151448 , Reply# 4   9/14/2011 at 08:21 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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socket, switch

Post# 151449 , Reply# 5   9/14/2011 at 08:22 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Wheels back

Post# 151450 , Reply# 6   9/14/2011 at 08:23 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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slider on the front

Post# 151451 , Reply# 7   9/14/2011 at 08:24 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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front cover

Post# 151452 , Reply# 8   9/14/2011 at 08:25 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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bag

Post# 151453 , Reply# 9   9/14/2011 at 08:26 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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tube

Post# 151454 , Reply# 10   9/14/2011 at 08:27 (4,553 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Power lead

Post# 151518 , Reply# 11   9/15/2011 at 00:36 (4,552 days old) by Red_October ()        

^^^ I wonder what is at the other end of that cord. Does it have a modern UK plug on it or perhaps something older? I know that England changed their electrical sockets at one point and before that there had been a few different types in use.

Post# 151520 , Reply# 12   9/15/2011 at 00:44 (4,552 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Brochure

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One side

Post# 151521 , Reply# 13   9/15/2011 at 00:45 (4,552 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
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Post# 151525 , Reply# 14   9/15/2011 at 00:53 (4,552 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

There have only been two main types of plug used continuously in the UK, the BS546 and the BS1363, there have been some regional variations and whatnot, but they ended up standardising on the 546 or 1363 plug & socket...

The BS 546 had I think 5 main plug types since it's inception, the 2 pin 2A and 5A plugs, and the 2A, 5A and 15A plugs (I think there may have also been a 30A plug, but that was for industrial use only), after that, it was 13A BS1363 only, with the 3A, 5A and 13A fuses inside the plugs...

A lot of places that were colonised by the British empire (China, Africa, India, and some other places I can't be bothered to remember) also standardised on one of the two types, South Africa is a good example as they still use the 15A plug as standard, whereas here in the UK the 15A plug is usually used in theatre lighting rigs

See Types D, G and M here:


CLICK HERE TO GO TO twocvbloke's LINK


Post# 151541 , Reply# 15   9/15/2011 at 07:09 (4,552 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK)        
This model is.....

the post war '46' which motor/fan wise was the 3 fan type as found in the pre-war de-luxe 'ace' G55. The G46 had the very plain body work and was supplied with the standard TRIUMPH G45 tools. It ran from @ 1945-51 ? when it was replaced by sleeker models; which one I am not sure. Laterly in the 46 production run the junior models were the G38 and the basic G28 which was just like the G23 clean sweep except the leatherette being black rather than the usual dark caramel colour.


Regards, Walter (Newport, Shropshire)


Post# 151542 , Reply# 16   9/15/2011 at 07:22 (4,552 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey David:

Actually there were 3 main types of plug in use in England up to the late 60's when it was standardized. The two you mention and the Wylex plugs which were two flat blades on either side of a round ground pin. If memory serves they came in 5 A and 15 A and incorporated a Fuse like the new plugs.

Doug


Post# 151545 , Reply# 17   9/15/2011 at 07:29 (4,552 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hi Lee:

Goblins are my favorite. The model you have is the post war version of the Triumph which was sold from 45-51. I believe that the covering on it has been changed as the original (See picture of my machine below) was black. I have seen this same covering on several different models from various eras now which is why I am making the assumption that it was used as a replacement and not original. Makes for a very nice looking machine though.

Doug

PS - the kit displaying the parts in the picture was my own creation. They didnt come with the machines.


Post# 151546 , Reply# 18   9/15/2011 at 07:31 (4,552 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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The Triumph was the mid line machine at the time with the top of the line being the Ace (Model 55) (Pic also from my collection - This was my grandmothers machine)

Post# 151547 , Reply# 19   9/15/2011 at 07:33 (4,552 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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The last machine in the cannister models that was out at that time was the bottom of the line Clean Sweep (model 23). (Again from my collection)

Post# 151548 , Reply# 20   9/15/2011 at 07:37 (4,552 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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In 1951 the Triumph was replaced by the model 39. Note the cord is now connected directly to the machine and new style wands, crevice tool, rug nozzle and hardwood floor brush have appeared.

Thats about as far as I can get for information. Hope that helps.
Doug


Post# 151559 , Reply# 21   9/15/2011 at 11:55 (4,551 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Thanks for the replies, nice to know itís from 45 to 51.
The power plug top is the older off the current 3 squire pin type.


Post# 151560 , Reply# 22   9/15/2011 at 12:03 (4,551 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Lots to do, I only have the hose, so Iím on the look out for some attachments.
All the metal work needs some serious polishing; I have given the leather a good saddle soaping which removed lots of dirt.
She is a runner, the motor is nice and smooth and the bag is good order.

She will live in happy retirement with the 2 constellations I have restored and a Maytag satellite.

Lee


Post# 151562 , Reply# 23   9/15/2011 at 13:13 (4,551 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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My god just noticed the cylinder is made from very hard card, wow, why canít we have machines made like this today, so simple and robust.

Post# 151578 , Reply# 24   9/15/2011 at 17:27 (4,551 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
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There was a thread about it in "deluxe" only last week. I must have a look at my Triumph to see if it is metal (i think mine is pre war) but I do have one similar to the 39 (mine is blue though) which is definatly cardboard and Kenkart (Hans - Norgeway from AW) also posted a US cleaner also. Still, they seem to hold up OK.

Anyhow, another nice catch for you

Al


Post# 151598 , Reply# 25   9/15/2011 at 22:10 (4,551 days old) by Red_October ()        

Collector2, those plugs are the ones I was thinking about. I have heard the name "Wylex" before but have never seen one. Thank you very much for that photograph. For reasons I cannot explain (but probably don't have to on an internet forum devoted entirely to vacuum cleaners ;) ) I've always had an interest in electrical fittings. When a friend of my mother's went to England, she actually mailed me back a couple plugs she bought in a hardware store! They are both the modern kind, though; one a plug to be fitted to a cord, the other an adaptor to allow the North American/Japanese style plugs to be used in the UK (for the precious few things that actually can have their input voltage set, or simply don't care about input voltage).

Post# 151603 , Reply# 26   9/15/2011 at 22:52 (4,551 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Red - email me - I collect the outlets from around the world for a display too. mjdkas@hotmail.com

Post# 151604 , Reply# 27   9/15/2011 at 22:59 (4,551 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think those Wylex plugs were "Council Housing" plugs in certain parts of the UK (Manchester comes to mind, could be wrong though), very interesting plug designs, kind of like an altered US style plug (yes, I know, they're nothing like them, but US plugs have two Flat pins and one Round or U shaped Ground pin), I've not seen them myself in person though, but the BS546 ones I have, and still use actually, cos being unfused, they're handy for centrally switched lighting or, as mentioned before, theatre lighting... :)

Anyway, that plug on the Goblin (I so wanted to put "Boglin" there, in reference to those rubber/latex puppet things!!) looks to be an old version BS1363 with the unsleeved pins, technically you're not supposed to commercially sell any electrical appliance fitted with them for "safety" reasons, as they can pose a shock hazard as they can be partially inserted in a socket and become live, but, I still use them, heck I polish the pins up and clean the plug up cos they're disappearing fast cos of the aforementioned "safety" reasons... :P


Post# 151605 , Reply# 28   9/15/2011 at 23:08 (4,551 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Lee:

To my knowledge all the early Goblins were cardboard. I dont think they started making a full metal body one till the late 50's.

Keep us posted. I'd like to see it one you finish with it.

Doug


Post# 151610 , Reply# 29   9/16/2011 at 02:04 (4,551 days old) by watsonw (Newport, Shropshire, UK)        
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Good-morning Lee,

I'll have a look in my vac room tomorrow as only about a month ago I cleaned and polished all of the Goblin tools; ext tubes, nozzles and brushes.

I'll see what I can find?

Regards, Walter.


Post# 151626 , Reply# 30   9/16/2011 at 11:42 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Thanks chaps.

Had another lucky find today, not one but two constellations, both in a poor state and not a hose or tool with them, but I can work some magic on them soon.
So thats 4 constellation, a Satellite and a goblin now.


Post# 151629 , Reply# 31   9/16/2011 at 12:47 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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One minuet Iím board, nothing to restore, well thatís changed hasnít it.

What a pair of sad machines.


Post# 151630 , Reply# 32   9/16/2011 at 12:48 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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model 862

Post# 151631 , Reply# 33   9/16/2011 at 12:49 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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model 867a

Post# 151632 , Reply# 34   9/16/2011 at 12:50 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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inside the 862

Post# 151633 , Reply# 35   9/16/2011 at 12:51 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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inside the 867a

Post# 151634 , Reply# 36   9/16/2011 at 12:52 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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This is bad, but i can fix it!!!

Post# 151635 , Reply# 37   9/16/2011 at 12:55 (4,550 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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This is not as bad

I will post individual restorations as and when I get around to doing them.
If any one is interested in seeing the two I have already restored, let me know and I will post as well.


Post# 151728 , Reply# 38   9/17/2011 at 09:41 (4,550 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Lee: - - Would love to see the ones you've already done.


Post# 151870 , Reply# 39   9/18/2011 at 09:31 (4,549 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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I have composed a new thread for the 2 constellations.


Back to the Triumph.

Any suggestions for cleaning and polishing the chrome parts, most are covered with pitting which is expected to some degree.


Post# 151871 , Reply# 40   9/18/2011 at 09:32 (4,549 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Front cover.

Post# 151876 , Reply# 41   9/18/2011 at 10:07 (4,549 days old) by goadie12 ()        

I swear its like you try and find the most beat up rough vacuums you can find then make them look brand new where in tue world did u find the Connies thanks? Zach

Post# 151885 , Reply# 42   9/18/2011 at 11:22 (4,548 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hi:

The Bakalite coupler can be removed from the end from the inside (Its made to unscrew). I used fine steel wool and metal polish on mine to clean it up.

Doug


Post# 151890 , Reply# 43   9/18/2011 at 11:58 (4,548 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Thanks Doug, fine steel wool and some metal polish it is then, sounds good to me.
The bakelite coupler, I was a bit nervous at first, it was so tight I worried I could crack it, but then submersed it in some warm soapy water and it loosed.

Any ideas of what the fat rubber band is for, it much to big for a seal, I thought it might be like on the Hoover juniors, to hold a disposable bag in place?

Goadie12, Yes I find stuff which is past itís best but thats the joy of restoring, I found them in a garden shed I have walked past hundreds of time in the last 20 years, a tree fell in the bad storms we had at the start of the week and opened up the view of the contents, I spotted the yellow and white one on a shelf in the window and went to see the owner, who was more than glad to part with it, on going into the shed I found the rose and white one on the bare ground inside as well. The rose one has been painted at some point with a grey paint with a brush.


Post# 151926 , Reply# 44   9/18/2011 at 15:23 (4,548 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Lee:

Yep - you're right. Goblin used paper dust bags inside the cloth bag as far back as the late 30's. The rubber "band" held them onto the spout.

Doug


Post# 152061 , Reply# 45   9/19/2011 at 12:49 (4,547 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Spent a couple of hours cleaning the chrome and polishing the leather cover today.
Checked the motor while cleaning the motor cover, it is in good condition and needs nothing doing to it.


Post# 152062 , Reply# 46   9/19/2011 at 12:52 (4,547 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Front cover, the chrome doses have some pitting but I think that it relates to the machines age.

Post# 152063 , Reply# 47   9/19/2011 at 12:54 (4,547 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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All nice and clean.
Over time with more polishing the paint spots should disappear slowly.


Post# 152064 , Reply# 48   9/19/2011 at 12:56 (4,547 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Well that it for this one, just keep a look out for some tools.

Post# 152065 , Reply# 49   9/19/2011 at 13:13 (4,547 days old) by hotpoint95622 (Powys, UK)        
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Before, it dose look better now comparing the photos.

Post# 152133 , Reply# 50   9/19/2011 at 20:59 (4,547 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Looks good - They are a great machine (but then I'm Biased - lol)



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