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Post# 119569   12/29/2010 at 14:15 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        

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I recently aquired this Hoover Model 417 Cylinder cleaner from the 1950s in what appears to be pretty decent original finish and condition. I haven't yet photographed the hose or accessories. The hose is not original, pretty certain of that, since it's the white double-stretched variety. I seem to remember that the original on these was a kind of red woven cloth. The cable seems to be the original one.

Stephen





Post# 119570 , Reply# 1   12/29/2010 at 14:17 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
opposite side

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side opposite the badge..

Post# 119571 , Reply# 2   12/29/2010 at 14:20 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Rear end

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showing the blowing end..

Post# 119572 , Reply# 3   12/29/2010 at 14:24 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
front end..

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for sucking, of course!

Post# 119573 , Reply# 4   12/29/2010 at 14:26 (3,214 days old) by akabent (LEFT Coast)        
Very nice find!!

What a great find, Stephen! Looks to be in really excellent condition. Interesting that from a color standpoint, it looks to be a hybrid between our 41 and 42 cylinders or tanks; the bonze-y tan color being like the body of our 42, and that wonderful maroon/burgundy being like the ends and cord or our earlier 41. Is it 110/115 V. or 220? Congrats on a wondeful find!
RB


Post# 119574 , Reply# 5   12/29/2010 at 14:26 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
underbelly

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It's tickle tum tums time!

Post# 119575 , Reply# 6   12/29/2010 at 14:29 (3,214 days old) by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

What a beautiful Hoover!

Post# 119578 , Reply# 7   12/29/2010 at 14:39 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
and now..

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for a closer view of that name-plate..

Post# 119579 , Reply# 8   12/29/2010 at 14:45 (3,214 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Rick.B & Rick.A

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Glad you both like the machine; it's a 225-250 volt model, according to the nameplate, so can be used straight onto our U.K supplies..oh and it does run well too!

Stephen


Post# 119587 , Reply# 9   12/29/2010 at 16:47 (3,214 days old) by akabent (LEFT Coast)        
It's tickle tum tums time!

Huh? :)
Can you say that in public?
Tanslation, please!
Rick


Post# 119604 , Reply# 10   12/29/2010 at 18:42 (3,214 days old) by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)        
Whata Find

Yes,I'm jealous! That is so beautiful! The colors are so neat.What do the attachments look like and color? MT

Post# 119610 , Reply# 11   12/29/2010 at 20:59 (3,214 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Wow, gorgeous, Stephen! It looks like it was barely used. Looking forward to seeing the attachments.

Post# 119613 , Reply# 12   12/29/2010 at 22:02 (3,214 days old) by twocvbloke ()        

I think my grandma used to have one of those years ago, possibly with blue trim...

Post# 119642 , Reply# 13   12/30/2010 at 14:27 (3,213 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
well, since you asked..

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John & MT, here are the attachments. As I said, the hose is not original, though it is a genuine Hoover replacement and has the correct 417 machine end. It's not that far out, since it's the common white double-stretch variety that was common back to the 1960s. The tools are grey/silver in colour, apart from an additional second dusting brush thrown in; they look little used, are the original style and probably original to this machine. There are three extension tubes; I'm guessing that two were supplied originally and a third was obtained (possibly non-gen, since the clip is different) when the pip came off on the second tube.

RB: I just made the bit up about tickle tum tums, since it looked about ready to roll over for a good tickling on my bed!

As you may have noticed yesterday, there was a service sticker attached to the ratings plate dated 1972..so perhaps the old hose was replaced then?

Stephen



Post# 119643 , Reply# 14   12/30/2010 at 14:31 (3,213 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
oh I forgot!!

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to include the pictures!

Post# 119644 , Reply# 15   12/30/2010 at 14:33 (3,213 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Here's another..

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showing the attachments on the machine..

Post# 119646 , Reply# 16   12/30/2010 at 14:54 (3,213 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Blue attachments?

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Yes David, I've had blue 417 attachments in the past; I may still have some in storage..though I've yet to aquire a blue 417 variant. However, there's a picture somewhere in the archives showing me with one of these machines. I also have one more 417 machine; actually, it's a later version and is a 417G in two-tone green.

Although I used to see 417s from time to time, they were fairly thin on the ground and had often been resprayed, were battered or going rusty.

Stephen


Post# 119650 , Reply# 17   12/30/2010 at 15:59 (3,213 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Thanks for the attachment shots. That is one nice vacuum!

Post# 119651 , Reply# 18   12/30/2010 at 16:03 (3,213 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR)        

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Is this yours, Stephen? I didn't keep a note of whose picture this was.....


Post# 119664 , Reply# 19   12/30/2010 at 18:25 (3,213 days old) by Vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
Here is the picture

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Stephen with several 417 variants, a 402 (in the background), and the successor 427 in the foreground. I have added a couple more 417s to my collection and an orange 427.

the picture right above is a 417E and is, I believe, Mike King's.


Post# 119665 , Reply# 20   12/30/2010 at 18:44 (3,213 days old) by Vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
A really interesting thing ....

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Looking at Stephen's picture above of the wands attached to the tools, you may wonder where is the clip. This is the only Hoover model I am aware of where the pip and clip were at the back of the nozzle rather than the front.

It APPEARS that on Stephen's later replacement hose they have kept this arrangement as teh (now plastic) clip appears also to be on the back. I am surprised that Hoover continued this variant for a single model, but there is is.

The 417 as shown above continued until 1956 when it was replaced by the downgraded (and very short lived) 417C - think this may have had a braided hose. The whole 417 series was downgraded losing pip and clip connections, and the "aerodyne" style carpet nozzle, which was used on the new Constellation, the 417 carpet nozzle (as shown in Mike's above) was something of a throwback to that used on the 402. The floor nozzle also lost the swivel action too. The machine it self was also changed losing the runners for moulded bumps, the lovely arrangement for the blower (which reminds me of teh Lux XXX) and a simplified front end - I do not have instructions for the 417 but it appears to have had provision for paper bags, and if so would have been the first UK cannister to so do, actually I am not sure if it were not the first UK cleaner as I cannot think of an upright which did either at the time - 1953.
Al


Post# 119668 , Reply# 21   12/30/2010 at 19:33 (3,213 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Just thought I'd throw this in here. This is a model 416 from 1953 (Made in Canada).

Post# 119739 , Reply# 22   12/31/2010 at 09:34 (3,212 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Al, thanks for the picture!

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That's the one I was thinking of..and yes, it does seem odd about the clips being on the back. My metal floor tool does have a swivel joint and hardly seems worn.

I remember selling one of those blue and white 427s in the shop a number of years ago. I also once had an orange and white one but no longer have it.

John, the blue 417 is definately not mine; it could well be Mike King's as Al suggests.

Doug, thanks for the picture of the 416.

Stephen


Post# 120012 , Reply# 23   1/2/2011 at 15:26 (3,210 days old) by chestermikeuk (Rainhill (Birthplace of the Railway),England, UK.)        
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Hi Stephen, lovely example of the early Hoover 417, quite often the paint finish rusts & peels away, the 417E blue/silver model fares worst...Al well spotted with the underside clips, the original hose is the woven burgundy / black/brown fabric, although I dont think the connector on the original sits and seals as well as the later white replacements!!!

I managed to pick one up a few years ago that was bought by a girls boading school for use solely in the Headmistress`s office, the woodwork teacher made a cabinet box for it, which cant find a pic of at the moment


Post# 120078 , Reply# 24   1/3/2011 at 16:03 (3,209 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)        
Thanks Mike!

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Yes, it is a nice example as far as 417s go; they seem to be harder to find in good original nick than the popular '50s upright models.

It does seem odd about that clip being on the underside of the bent end, if you know what I mean! They must have made two variations of bent ends to fit onto the standard double-stretch hoses?

I've always admired those pictures of yours showing a wide range of Hoover models together in the old house.

Stephen





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