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Post# 99207   5/27/2010 at 01:12 (5,082 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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I am sure some of you may have brought this up in the past, as well as myself, but, just for clarification, is it true that although the 515 was the last Kirby to utilize the original 1930s motor design (as well as bearing the modded Kirby script logo for the belt lifter that goes back to the model 509), that it was the first to use the #1190 fan? You know, besides Charles Richard "Chuck" Lester, any other 515 owners note a big difference in tone of the motor between this model and the prior 514? Kirby 515: Kirby 514: And a Kirby 517: (copy and paste these) Thank you, Ben |
Post# 99216 , Reply# 1   5/27/2010 at 12:53 (5,082 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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I'll let you call me Chuck if you let me call you Bennie... ;P |
Post# 99218 , Reply# 3   5/27/2010 at 13:11 (5,082 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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And here's a 514 in someone else's video that also runs slower than Bennie's 515, but I have a feeling it might be because the motor is being impeded by the clattering brush roll: |
Post# 99219 , Reply# 4   5/27/2010 at 13:33 (5,082 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99220 , Reply# 5   5/27/2010 at 13:34 (5,082 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99221 , Reply# 6   5/27/2010 at 13:37 (5,082 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99224 , Reply# 8   5/27/2010 at 14:52 (5,082 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99255 , Reply# 10   5/27/2010 at 21:02 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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Ben, when I correct my Kirby pages you will be the first to know! |
Post# 99261 , Reply# 11   5/27/2010 at 22:44 (5,081 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99271 , Reply# 12   5/28/2010 at 01:22 (5,081 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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It would be easy enough to find out -- look at the serial number plate of a 515 and see what it says: the amperage is stamped on the plate. I can't look, because the only Kirby I have here right now is my 513. |
Post# 99309 , Reply# 13   5/28/2010 at 19:26 (5,081 days old) by dualsanitronic (Omaha)   |   | |
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It says 4 amp.on the 515 and the 513 but there were supposed to be improvements in the efficiency of the 515 anyway,plus a new 10 blade fan was now added to replace the 6 blader. |
Post# 99327 , Reply# 16   5/28/2010 at 21:14 (5,080 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99336 , Reply# 17   5/28/2010 at 23:36 (5,080 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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For Charles (electrolux-137) The first Kirby with the 10-blade fan was actually the model 3C, released in 1939. The last six-bladed Kirby fan (#1187) was used on models C and 2C. The first Kirby with a 10-blade fan was the model 3C, part #1188. They re-engineered it for the model 4C, which was the last of the pre-war Kirbys. The re-engineered fan was part #1189, and it was this fan that had been used up until the 515 according to a mid-1960s Kirby service manual. For the markedly-different 516 and its successors, it was once again re-engineered, becoming part #119056. If anyone could please tell me how to embed images in my posts, thank you. In the meantime there is a link to a disassembled 508 that is yours, with a fan that appears to have 10 blades. ~Ben CLICK HERE TO GO TO kirbyclassiciii's LINK |
Post# 99341 , Reply# 19   5/29/2010 at 00:17 (5,080 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Hi Charles, Please put me on the list for that - I'd love to see it. Contact Mark Berger (mark@meba.com - hope this is correct) and please tell him to send you a copy of the Kirby service manual he has, that way you'll know that the fan (see the Special and Obsolete Parts section) for the 3C is the first to have 10 blades on it. Again - if the 515 really did have a 6-blade or the very early 10-blade, then why again does its motor sound closer to the 516 than the 514? Thank you, Ben |
Post# 99380 , Reply# 22   5/29/2010 at 16:20 (5,080 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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Here's a photo of my 513 fan and serial number plate. |
Post# 99428 , Reply# 23   5/29/2010 at 22:46 (5,079 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99444 , Reply# 25   5/30/2010 at 02:57 (5,079 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99469 , Reply# 27   5/30/2010 at 12:18 (5,079 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99479 , Reply# 28   5/30/2010 at 15:27 (5,079 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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It may have; I don't remember off the top of my head. |
Post# 99553 , Reply# 30   5/30/2010 at 23:13 (5,078 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99559 , Reply# 32   5/31/2010 at 00:56 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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P.S. The 515 in this video runs at a higher rate than mine -- listen to the difference in the motor. Wonder why that is....... CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99560 , Reply# 33   5/31/2010 at 00:56 (5,078 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 99561 , Reply# 34   5/31/2010 at 01:01 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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In fact, the motor in my 515 sounds identical to this 510. Wonder if the 510 has a newer motor in it... CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99562 , Reply# 35   5/31/2010 at 01:02 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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Whereas this 510 is running considerably slower (noting the clattering brush roll): CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99563 , Reply# 36   5/31/2010 at 01:08 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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And here's a 505 with its very distinctive, gentle sounding (slower-running) motor (this is fun!!): CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99564 , Reply# 37   5/31/2010 at 01:08 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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And another 505 -- whose motor sounds just like the one above: CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99565 , Reply# 38   5/31/2010 at 01:19 (5,078 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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... and a 560, which sounds like a real powerhouse in comparision! CLICK HERE TO GO TO electrolux~137's LINK |
Post# 99566 , Reply# 39   5/31/2010 at 01:21 (5,078 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Charles, I could attribute Garrett's 515 motor sound to be either a bad field or a clogged air inlet, according to the troubleshooting chart on chapter 1, part 10 of the 1965 Kirby 505-Sanitronic VII Service Manual: MOTOR RUNS IMPROPERLY Trouble: Motor runs fast or overheats Probable causes: Defective field; blocked ventilating air inlet Remedies: Replace field; clean ventilating air inlet Refer to: Paragraph 1-9 On the other hand, if a Kirby motor is running too slow, examine the following from the same page: Trouble: Motor runs slow or with little suction power Probable causes: Defective armature; dirty or defective brushes Remedies: Replace armature; check brushes Refer to: Paragraph 1-9 ~Ben |
Post# 99569 , Reply# 40   5/31/2010 at 01:31 (5,078 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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The 560 MaxxArcade has had a Lexan fan since its 1980 rebuild, which of course is the same fan that your rebuilt 508 has. The other 510 that has its original 6-blade fan: its bag and belt lifter were replaced. But even Reggie's (CompactC9) 510 that has what sounds like a replacement 10-blade metal fan, has had its belt lifter and cord replaced as well. I am suspicious that when part #s 1187, 1188 and 1189 were discontinued by Kirby in the 1970s, that you had to use #119056 to replace all three of them? If a 10-blade Lexan/Kevlar fan is used on some of the early 500s as replacement, then so could the metal fan that is part #119056. ~Ben |
Post# 99724 , Reply# 41   6/1/2010 at 23:12 (5,076 days old) by dualsanitronic (Omaha)   |   | |
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That "high speed" 515 is likely such due to the converted bag assembly that takes F and G type bags. |
Post# 100112 , Reply# 45   6/6/2010 at 20:23 (5,071 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 100427 , Reply# 47   6/10/2010 at 16:47 (5,068 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 100428 , Reply# 48   6/10/2010 at 16:50 (5,068 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 100429 , Reply# 49   6/10/2010 at 16:53 (5,068 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 100442 , Reply# 50   6/10/2010 at 19:25 (5,068 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 100529 , Reply# 52   6/11/2010 at 15:42 (5,067 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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I had been thinking of posting the Columbus on a new thread but posted here, not that I wanted to mess up this one or detract from the main subject of the Kirby's, mainly to tie in with what Charles had said about the one he'd seen. BTW Charles, the motor unit on it does detach just by unlatching the spring loaded rods on either side. Stephen |
Post# 100531 , Reply# 53   6/11/2010 at 16:52 (5,067 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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Oh cool, then it is the same model then. It's surely from that galaxy of otherworldly vacuum cleaners isn't it! |
Post# 100575 , Reply# 54   6/12/2010 at 07:44 (5,066 days old) by hooverbaby (Dalton in Furness, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 100938 , Reply# 56   6/16/2010 at 15:10 (5,062 days old) by sukething ()   |   | |
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I will try to post all of the pics... |
Post# 100939 , Reply# 57   6/16/2010 at 15:12 (5,062 days old) by sukething ()   |   | |
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and more |
Post# 100940 , Reply# 58   6/16/2010 at 15:13 (5,062 days old) by sukething ()   |   | |
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this is fun |
Post# 100942 , Reply# 59   6/16/2010 at 15:15 (5,062 days old) by sukething ()   |   | |
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Thank goodness |
Post# 101086 , Reply# 60   6/17/2010 at 19:22 (5,061 days old) by kirbyclassiciii (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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Post# 101087 , Reply# 61   6/17/2010 at 19:58 (5,060 days old) by electrolux~137 ()   |   | |
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I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Because the 516 instruction booklet shows the machine with the new "logo in a circle" only design. |
Post# 267577 , Reply# 62   2/13/2014 at 22:35 (3,723 days old) by KirbyClassicIII (Milwaukie, Oregon)   |   | |
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