Thread Number: 36132  /  Tag: 50s/60s/70s Vacuum Cleaners
Introduction and question about 3 Elux models
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Post# 387443   3/7/2018 at 16:16 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Hey all! I live in Quebec , Canada and I've been a big fan of Electrolux vacuums for over 40 years. I've owned an AP-100 model for 10 years with satisfaction and recently I found two other ones, an E-2000 and a Super-J.

Are there many differences between these models? I've already noticed that the hose connections are not the same for the SUperJ and the other ones and that the SUperJ is sort of heavier and longer, but beside that, what is different?

I plan on keeping all of them because they still work well.


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Post# 387448 , Reply# 1   3/7/2018 at 17:18 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

I'd also like to know if I can source repair manuals for these machines somewhere.

Post# 387544 , Reply# 2   3/8/2018 at 23:16 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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I know nothing about the AP-100 or the E-2000, but with the different hose connectors, I'm guessing they're from one of the European incarnations of Electrolux. The Super J is definitely a piece of heavy American metal and it's known to be a brute with a larger, more powerful motor. The hose connector is the standard one Electrolux USA introduced on the 1205 and used on its successors for the next few decades.

Post# 387576 , Reply# 3   3/9/2018 at 11:28 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

THanks for your reply, Human. I don't know a lot about AP-100 and E-2000, according to the info in the intake cover, they both were made in Canada.

THe SUperJ seems to work well, I have two problems with it: 1-the cord doesn't reel it completely there is always a 2-foot section that sticks out; is there a way to fix this? 2-when I start the motor, there is a weird smell in the air, a bit like gun powder, is it normal ? It seems to go away after a few minutes, or maybe I just get used to it ?



Post# 387579 , Reply# 4   3/9/2018 at 11:49 by compactc9guy (Bathurst New Brunswick Canada )        

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The AP100 AND E2000 are Canadian made machine ,The SuperJ is US
both the ap 200 and the E2000 are plastic bodies machine and have diffrent inlets than us yes. The super J is american metal made stronger motor and bigger thats why its longer .I own the Electrolux AP-200 plastic body machine love it so much i think they use diffrent motor also .


Post# 387583 , Reply# 5   3/9/2018 at 13:24 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

THank you compact9guy. The SuperJ is siginifcantly heavier, not the best to work in the stairways, but that thing feels like built to last forever. I just bought another SuperJ on my lunch hour, with both the rigid and souple hoses and the electric broom for 25$ dollars, I'll post pics later today.

Post# 387604 , Reply# 6   3/9/2018 at 16:09 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Here is the second Super J I scored within a few days. This one is in better shape than the other.

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Post# 387614 , Reply# 7   3/9/2018 at 18:09 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I wouldn't venture to say the US Super J motor is stronger than Electolux Canada vac motors. Things get murky, but before the Super J motor came out, Electrolux Canada made their motors and they were generally more powerful than the Electrolux US counterparts of the same vintage.

 

Now the Super J US motor, was a tour de force for sure....over a million dollar retool of Electrolux US to make a larger motor and longer canister to accommodate it. But I'm not sure if that model trounced what Electrolux Canada had at the time? 

 

Kevin

 

 


Post# 387620 , Reply# 8   3/9/2018 at 20:37 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Here is the serial number of the last one I bought. I read in another post here that some of the SuperJs had an issue and you can tell by the serial number, what about this one?

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Post# 387622 , Reply# 9   3/9/2018 at 20:50 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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Some Super J's had bad motors after a fire at the factory disrupted Electrolux's own motor production and they were forced to source them from a third party. The defective motors were replaced and those machines got a 'five-year warranty' sticker. It's pretty safe to say that more than 40 years later, any surviving Super J's most likely have good motors.

Post# 387626 , Reply# 10   3/9/2018 at 21:48 by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hi and Welcome (Bonjour et Bienvenue :) )

Nice to see another Canadian.

The Super J is a US model produced from 1975 to 1978.

The AP100 was a Canadian model and the first of the AP line. It was produced from 1973 to 1976 in the Montreal plant. Early versions came with the PN5 power nozzle and a telescopic wand while later ones came with the PN100 power nozzle and a two piece wand.

The E2000 was also a Canadian model and the first of the E series machines. It was produced from 1982 to 1985 also in the Montreal plant.

Doug


Post# 387627 , Reply# 11   3/9/2018 at 22:23 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Doug said "Nice to see another Canadian."

Salutations, Doug !

I'll post pics of the parts I have to fit my three different cans


Post# 387628 , Reply# 12   3/9/2018 at 22:33 by Paul (MN)        

Welcome to Vacuumland. You have an awesome set of classic Electroluxes there.

The Model 1401 Super J was introduced in October 1975 and was succeeded by the Model 1401 Olympia One in April 1979. Its honey gold color was popular in the 1970s in appliances, glassware, and home furnishings. In case you didn't know, its predecessor, the Model 1205 Jubilee, was painted the same color but was shorter as it contained the smaller conventional motor.

Fyi, the hose pictured is not original. The first ones were white with triple tracers of teal, gold, & teal. The second version was harvest gold with triple tracers of teal, white, & teal. Also, in case you're interested in getting the rest of the tools they're ivory-colored.

Regarding the serial number affixes of the problematic armatures that had been outsourced after a fire in one of Electrolux Corporation's factories, they were K_S. That likely wouldn't be a problem even if yours contained those letters, though, because Electrolux changed them out for customers as they were brought in for repairs.

If you have some extra time, think about polishing your PN-4 power nozzles, so they have a mirror-like finish and polish the Super Js to restore their luster.
The E-2000 (E for Electronic display) was brought to the U.S. in 1985 when its Electrolux company and the Canadian one merged; but it was renamed the Hi-Tech 2100. It had many other iterations in terms of motor changes and color changes that were indicated by different model numbers and labels. Aerus's current Lux Legacy is basically an E-2000 with the onboard tool caddy on attached to its top.

I really like the styling of the AP (all plastic) cleaners. The ends remind me of the fishtail Coca-Cola sign.





Post# 387672 , Reply# 13   3/10/2018 at 07:58 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

John is the motor expert, bar none. This thread with his postings is the most informative on the Super J. It was released with a PN2 and then later on a PN4. Indeed the motors they had trouble with were the K____S series. As was said, any surviving Super J's most likely had the motor replaced or serviced by now. Electrolux was excellent about attending to model issues.

 

Also, John has clarified that the motor for the Super J continued on into the Oly One and the Silverado....not into the Diamond J as Lester wrote in his Electrolux history piece.

 

The fire on the line at the Electrolux factory temporarily shut down armature production for the Super J motor and the outsourced armatures were the problem.

 

Kevin



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Post# 387682 , Reply# 14   3/10/2018 at 09:23 by Collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)        

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Hey Francois:

If you want to see what the original parts (and some of the optional ones) were for the machines the ones I have in my collection are pretty much complete. smithcollection.altervista.org/...

Doug


Post# 387725 , Reply# 15   3/10/2018 at 17:34 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Thanks everyone. I took a picture of both hoses I got with my SUperJs, the ivory-color one is cracked close to the handle and the other one is ok but doesn't allow max succion, it probably sucks through the hose itself. It looks like the original one, the switch for the power nozzle doesn't work, nozzle runs all the time.

I already had the other hose pictured with the vac, bought it with other parts last year, looked like brand new.


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Post# 387737 , Reply# 16   3/10/2018 at 21:27 by human (Pines of Carolina)        

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The first hose, the woven one, is indeed the original. The second one, with the switch, is an aftermarket one. The woven hoses are known to leak like sieves when they get some age on them. Vinyl hoses are far more satisfactory but third party ones can sometimes be problematic. I guess you're lucky your switch is stuck in the 'on' position.

Post# 387738 , Reply# 17   3/10/2018 at 21:37 by quebecois (Quebec, Canada)        

Human wrote: "I guess you're lucky your switch is stuck in the 'on' position."

Well I don't think it's stuck, I hear it click every time I squeeze the handle.

I understand that there is no way to fix an old leaky hose, am I right?

I have another question about the models I own: all of them have a flat butt, is it safe for the motor to operate the vac vertically, sitting on this flat end, while using the vac in the stairway, for example?


Post# 387755 , Reply# 18   3/11/2018 at 09:12 by suckolux (Yuba City, CA)        

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No authority here, but my Silverado has been run on it's ass for 27 years with me when I dust up high. Never any issue




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