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Post# 387408   3/7/2018 at 08:19 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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The annual VCCC convention will be held in Spokane, Washington, June 21st Ė June 24th. We will be touring Marc Turbyfillís vac shop and vacuum collection. More details to come. Hope to see everyone in Spokane.

Please click on the link below for more information.


Post# 387433 , Reply# 1   3/7/2018 at 12:58 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Thanks, Kenny!

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I know some have already "gotten ready". I'll be on that soon, too. As you know, LAST year's convention was exceptional, truly worth every cent. One question, for now: will there be anyone else needing to split/share a room? If so..
I'm sure Spokane will be great.
So, let's all get our new belts, bags, attachments, gloves, etc, ready................

Post# 387507 , Reply# 2   3/8/2018 at 09:13 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I am planning on coming, not sure about Shaylee and the baby. She wants too but we shall see.

If I had more vacation time I would drive it in a heartbeat. I LOVE that drive. It's only like 30 hours lol

Post# 387585 , Reply# 3   3/9/2018 at 14:12 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
It'll be great to see everyone again.

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Looking forward to a nice, fun-filled, drama-free great time, again.

Post# 387587 , Reply# 4   3/9/2018 at 14:39 by Westinghouseman (Capron, Illinois, north of Belvidere, Illinois.)        
Ready to go...

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Well, Airline tickets are bought, Hotel, is booked...leaving Sunday, June 21, 2018; Spokane, Wa., here I come...

Ken Wagman

Post# 387594 , Reply# 5   3/9/2018 at 15:00 by vacman1961 (North Babylon, New York)        

How about another convention here on the east coast closer to NY and hopefully not on Fathers Day weekend, there are some Dad's that would love to attend a convention without missing time with their kids.

Post# 387675 , Reply# 6   3/10/2018 at 08:56 by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)        
"on the east coast"

If any want to see 100s of vacs and parts in the east near Interstates 26,40 & 81 in a former vac shop that MUST be cleaned out and downsized with MOST prices from $0--$20 call me and set up a date of your choosing!!(more later and separately with pictures)

Post# 387856 , Reply# 7   3/12/2018 at 13:55 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I'm hearing exciting thigs so far.

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Anyone still need a roomie?

Post# 389107 , Reply# 8   3/26/2018 at 14:45 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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are being made. !!

Post# 389722 , Reply# 9   4/3/2018 at 13:41 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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I will be there. This will be my first vacuum convention. My husband and I are driving our motorhome up. Since Spokane is his hometown, we are planning on visiting his family and friends while we are there. Looking forward to meeting new people.

Post# 389725 , Reply# 10   4/3/2018 at 14:26 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
WELCOME in advance!!!!!!!!!

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You'll love it, and, we'll love having you there. As soon as I got to my first one, the great Terry Lattz came up to me, gave me a hug and said, "Hi, John. I'm Terry'.

Post# 389774 , Reply# 11   4/3/2018 at 22:52 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
To quote past VCCC President, Morgan Frazer

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Post# 389793 , Reply# 12   4/4/2018 at 08:05 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Since I've never been to one before, is there a place/time to sell some vacuums? I was thinking of bringing some up with m to part with.

Post# 389796 , Reply# 13   4/4/2018 at 09:05 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Yes there will be tables labeled for sale and free and raffel

Post# 389806 , Reply# 14   4/4/2018 at 13:31 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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If you look at posts from last year and before you'll see lots of photos from the conventions. They're listed in the Vintage forum. They'll give you an idea. You'll enjoy it very much.

Post# 389812 , Reply# 15   4/4/2018 at 13:55 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Awesome. Looking forward to it. Hope someone will recognize me. I look a little bit different than I do in my profile picture. A couple years older. LOL

Post# 389963 , Reply# 16   4/6/2018 at 14:00 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
It's time to compile the new list of

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deceased members of the VCCC for our "In Memoriam" book, which will be at this summer's convention. Names? I know a few, but, I don't want to leave any recently deceased out.

Post# 389970 , Reply# 17   4/6/2018 at 14:45 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Sadly, the book is

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filling up.

Post# 390668 , Reply# 18   4/18/2018 at 13:57 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I spoke with Chad recently.

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It looks like things are going along nicely. There will be few changes this year. I still have to update the list of deceased members, etc.
It'll be great to see new faces as well as seasoned members. The VCCC... the original, the only............... still going.

Post# 390671 , Reply# 19   4/18/2018 at 14:51 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
We are going to have a blast..

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as always. I know for a fact that we will have some new members at this year's VCCC convention!

Post# 390778 , Reply# 20   4/20/2018 at 14:31 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Convention Registration

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The PayPal link to register for the 2018 VCCC convention is now up on our website. The registration fee is $75.00. The registration fee is needed to pay for the hotel and the convention room along with the free snacks and equipment provided by the hotel. We will have plenty of room for everyone to share and display their vacs.

Please click on the link below to enter the VCCCís convention page.


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Post# 390817 , Reply# 21   4/21/2018 at 00:31 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Thanks, again, Kenny,

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for everything that you do for all of us.
Looking forward to getting away and seeing everyone again.

Post# 390963 , Reply# 22   4/24/2018 at 12:46 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
The convention registration

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form is now on our website with the schedule of events. You can either save and email the form to our club email address: or mail it to me in the mail. The directions are on the form.

Looking forward to seeing everyone!

Please click on the link below to access the form.

Kenny Loveland


Post# 390964 , Reply# 23   4/24/2018 at 12:51 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
EXCELLENT work there, Kenny!

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Can't wait, either. Imagine: 33 !!!!!! The one, original VCCC.

Post# 391387 , Reply# 24   5/1/2018 at 12:42 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
VCCC convention

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I am really looking forward to this yearís convention itís going to be a blast! One of the wonderful things about the VCCC is that members are encouraged to bring their own vacuums. I enjoy hearing the stories behind our memberís vacuums. This gives our members the opportunity to show off their restorations and enter our non-cleaning contests. Personally, I would rather bring my own vacuum from my collection and set it on display or use it in one of our cleaning contests. Itís more personable for me.

The VCCC is also able to travel every year to a different part of the US. For example this year we will be in Spokane Washington to see one of our long time memberís collection and vacuum shop. I feel that we support our members by traveling to where they are located. Which changes every year! The VCCC has membership dues and a convention fee in order to put on an organized convention. Without dues and a convention fee we could not do so. I have personally been to at least five VCCC conventions starting in 2010 and every year I've had an excellent time. I look forward going to the VCCC convention every year and seeing my vacuum collecting family.

I hope to see everyone in Spokane this year!

Post# 391464 , Reply# 25   5/2/2018 at 19:50 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
You're absolutely right, Kenny!

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We've gotten to see a lot of the U.S. by attending these conventions. Everyone who goes admits that they're worth every penny.Well, they keep coming back!
We reunite w/ old friends, and create new friendships. no bashing of brands, people, events, It's very civilized. It's a lot of fun,sharing, etc. Hopefully, it will remain drama-free.
Get packing, everyone!

Post# 391472 , Reply# 26   5/2/2018 at 22:58 by Swivelsean (Santa Fe, NM)        
Looking forward to the fun and friendship

Brett and I will be visiting Marc's home and shop next week in Spokane to offer what assistance we can in preparation for next month's convention. Can you believe it's just a few weeks away?

Eastern Washington is a beautiful part of the US. Besides the grandeur of the state and the Cascades, Idaho, British Columbia, and Alberta are close by. I've traveled to that area since I was a child as my dad's family is just a couple hours south of Spokane. In fact I'll be visiting my father in Idaho just prior to the convention for Father's Day.
Best Wishes,

Post# 391600 , Reply# 27   5/6/2018 at 14:00 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Sean AND Brett......

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It's great that you're both going to be there. I just printed my form, etc this week. And, I got a roommie!
Kenny is absolutely correct.
Just think: EVERY year, we travel to a different part of the country. We see wonderful sights, are welcomed into so many member's homes, see their personal collections, etc.
For instance, since I joined The VCCC in 2008, we've been to the "Home of Hoover Appliances", N. canton, Ohio. We've been to Kirby, Filter Queen, etc.. Yes, even "I" set foot in those places. We've been to Chicago twice, Autstin, Texas, Portland, Minneapolis, St. Louis.... had a great time at The Fox Theatre. Last year was fantastic, too. We visited BMX Gary's place as well as countless vacuum shops. WE even were wonderfully welcomed at Stark's museum a few years back, as well as Jon Dufore's home, Jeff Parker's place, Phillip's and Shaylee's, Robert Seger's Barb's and Scott's , Dave Olsen's, Kenny's, etc. W even met the great Ruth Hollander. We were at Houston's and his partners home. People were laughing, eating, enjoying the
pool, etc. Because of the number of attendees, there's no possible way to not host these events at a hotel. Cleaning contests, raffles, games, dinners, etc. THAT's why there is a fee involved. It's proven time and time again to be worth every cent.
Even in spite of adverse comments, (some of us have even been referred to as "queens", isn't THAT ridiculous?.. we persevere, actually thrive.
Look up old posts about The VCCC's conventions. You'll relive past good times as well as become enlightened by what we do, who we are, etc.

Post# 391613 , Reply# 28   5/6/2018 at 23:02 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I was in a hurry and KNEW I'd forget

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other great house visits. We were graciously treated at Tania's home,Brett's and his partner's, Duane's,Alex Braun's, Ken Wagman's,John Pease's, and, not to mention, the 'original Tarantula Arms".
Fun times, indeed.

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Post# 391615 , Reply# 29   5/6/2018 at 23:19 by akabent (Orange County)        
Is it just me, or....

...Has anyone noticed that one individual seems to be caught in the endless loop of a 1970's  8-Track, recanting the nauseating, misleading rhetoric of of a so-called 'convention' wannabe in Missouri that touts a no-membership, no registration-fee admission?  Of course there is no fee for a small group of people to hang out for an unscripted gathering at a generous factory where no events, no gathering halls displaying personal collections, and no included banquet/dinner is included.  Does anyone truly find that comparable to stopping by the local Arby's or Waffle House enroute to self-host a sumptuous bag-lunch and call that a 'convention'?  


As mentioned by others, the VCCC provides opportunities to see numerous parts of the country visiting various personal collections, gather in a common hotel for multiple days of discussion and learning, and hang with like-minded people from all over the US,  even attracting collectors from other countries. All this continually makes for a true convention remembered and recounted during the year until its successor convention launches.


The VCCC clearly owes a debt of gratitude to early, founding members, many of which in good standing continue to attend and support their legacy, and we continue to appreciate you!



Post# 391619 , Reply# 30   5/7/2018 at 00:04 by electrolux137 (Land O Plenty USA)        


I realize this is ancient history, but when the VCCC convened here in Los Angeles in 2005 I hosted an al-fresco luncheon, a presentation of the first 50 years of Electrolux, a look-see into my workshop, and a demonstration of machine-polishing aluminum-body vacuum cleaners.

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Post# 391622 , Reply# 31   5/7/2018 at 01:35 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

With all those lights in the shop-does this mean this collector is a flashoholic,too?Collects lights as well as vacuums as a few on here do.The shop is indeed,well lit!

Post# 391632 , Reply# 32   5/7/2018 at 10:12 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
I was wondering

How hot it is working under all those lights.

Nice workshop, I wish I had a dedicated place to work on my hobby.

Post# 391633 , Reply# 33   5/7/2018 at 10:13 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
That's great, Charles

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I'm sure you trust I wasn't excluding you. I was just mentioning everything since I've been a member. I heard sooooo much about "before me'... some great, some kinda dark.

Post# 391635 , Reply# 34   5/7/2018 at 10:30 by electrolux137 (Land O Plenty USA)        


Right, I wasn't feeling left out; just reminiscing on past conventions. The one in Los Angeles was really great with lots of stuff to see and do. There was quite a turnout for it.


The lights are vintage stage lights with the original fixtures replaced with incandescent* bulbs 40-100 watts, mostly for "look."


(This was before the ban on incandescent bulbs.)

Post# 391637 , Reply# 35   5/7/2018 at 11:15 by akabent (Orange County)        
2005 Convention and Venues

The Los Angeles Convention was indeed another memorable one for the books!   Charles' was one of two very large collections that were generously shared, and his detailed, in depth display literally did document "50 Years of American Electrolux".  Kyle's very large display was more eclectic but similarly fascinating to see.  The Hotel, vacuum/conference room, and Banquet were amazing and very well coordinated.  I suppose it is true that you always remember your first time fondlylaughing, and that was my entree into the incredible VCCC whose legacy continues, even to the point of attempted replication.  (They say 'imitation' is the highest form of flattery'; apparently, that is still being proved valid.)



Post# 391687 , Reply# 36   5/8/2018 at 14:29 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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The VCCC is constantly changing, and should. However, some of it (the roots) still remain the same.
It was Charlie Watrous who really 'glammed it up'... and,for that, we are grateful.
I look back at photos from past conventions in amazement. Everyone should take a trip 'down Memory Lane'. Of course, there ARE minutes from ALL of the meetings. An amazing story is unveiled every time they are read. It explains a lot.
So, there' still time.
Unfortunately, this time, due to flying, I won't be able to bring any machines. But, they'll be plenty to look at.

Post# 391691 , Reply# 37   5/8/2018 at 14:52 by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        
I've been absent

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Have been absent for a while.  Have had some health concerns to deal with and the death of my Dad was very traumatic for me.

Back "on the road again."

I need to pay my dues and I'm thinking seriously of flying to Spokane for the convention.

Could someone please give me information on dues paying.

Thanks so much.

Missed you all!

Post# 391692 , Reply# 38   5/8/2018 at 15:02 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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Greg ,

You can pay your dues on our website. The link is below.


Post# 391693 , Reply# 39   5/8/2018 at 15:31 by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        

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Dues paid, flight arranged, car rented.  Now all I have to do is register and get hotel.

Post# 391694 , Reply# 40   5/8/2018 at 15:49 by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        
Yay! Spokane Here I come

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Registered, Room reserved



Post# 391695 , Reply# 41   5/8/2018 at 15:52 by akabent (Orange County)        

We'll definitely enjoy seeing you there and you will be surrounded by many kind people.  Very sorry for the challenges you've been through but many of us can attest to there being 'light at the end of the tunnel" as it DOES get better where only love and fond memories remain.



Post# 391746 , Reply# 42   5/9/2018 at 14:52 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Looks like we will have quite a few

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machines for sale or give away! One of our members posted recently in the vacuum cleaners collectors group on Facebook. I've been communicating with Sean and we will have plenty of items to dig through! So I don't think we will be without vacuums this year to find new homes. This is in addition to our free and for sale piles that we have at the VCCC convention every year!

Post# 391777 , Reply# 43   5/10/2018 at 09:41 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Just got my dues paid, next step hotel and plane ticket

Post# 391793 , Reply# 44   5/10/2018 at 15:45 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
That's good Phillip!

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Spokane here we come!

Post# 391804 , Reply# 45   5/10/2018 at 18:37 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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I just paid for the convention. Won't be staying at the hotel, since my husband and I are driving our motorhome up there. I was looking for an itinerary for the event, but couldn't find one.

Post# 391831 , Reply# 46   5/11/2018 at 09:53 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Hotel booked!! Will buy plane tickets tonight. I am flying out on the Sunday night before the convention to Portland to visit some very special long time friends I have not seen in 5 years that used to live here. Then on Wednesday the 20th I will fly to Spokane to have an extra night with all the cools kids who arrive early.
Can't wait!!!

Post# 391953 , Reply# 47   5/14/2018 at 14:06 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've just heard that some members are

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re-joining The VCCC after a lapse in time. They were here before I joined. Old members, not an old VCCC. there is was/is really only one. For a minute, I thought it had disbanded at one time and a whole new club was born. But, that was false info.Also, sadly, some famous member will not be attending this year, due to schedule conflicts. :(
I'm not sure if he'll be attending the convention, but, at least 1 "old" member is returning. What a SURPRISE to hear this.
There might also be 2 or 3 "new" members soon as well.

Yes, Kids, some surprises all around.
Stay tuned..........................................................

Post# 391974 , Reply# 48   5/15/2018 at 09:33 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Famous member unable to attend??????

John, Don't worry!! I WILL be there buddy.
hahahaha sorry I couldn't help it

Post# 391985 , Reply# 49   5/15/2018 at 15:33 by Kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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I know will we have the most free/ for sale vacuums that we have had at any convention! It's going to be an exciting time! I am really looking forward to it! Our numbers are going up daily by the registrations I'm getting in.

Post# 391986 , Reply# 50   5/15/2018 at 16:18 by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)        

I have paid my dues,registered,got room and plane ticket.I'm looking to the convention and seeing everyone.What a fun time we are going to have.The Banquet is so much fun,good food,laugh's and who know's what else.I know Mark and broad have worked hard.See everyone there.

Post# 392033 , Reply# 51   5/16/2018 at 23:25 by swivelsean (Santa Fe, NM)        
Productive trip to Spokane

Dear VCCC members,
Brett and I had a productive visit to Spokane last week visiting Marc Turbyfill and spending time with him at his shop and home. Brett and I helped Marc organize what he is planning to offer to VCCC members during the convention. The sheer volume of what is available eclipses what I've seen in any VCCC Convention I've been to before. There are approximately 60 vacuums looking for new homes, over 100 hoses, and a deep parts and accessory inventory that Marc has maintained for his customers over the years. While Marc has had his shop in Spokane for over 20 years, when he bought it the purchase included parts inventory that was even considered vintage then! Everything from Apex to Wizard, and so much in between. Are you looking for parts for a vintage or contemporary vacuum...attachments...or new to you vacuums...don't miss out.
Best Wishes,
P.S. Hi 'CountryFord'...I'm looking forward to meeting you and your husband and talking Stratoliners and Mobile Maids. I've enjoyed reading your contributions to for quite a while.

Post# 392054 , Reply# 52   5/17/2018 at 08:47 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Got flights booked, now I will sit back and watch the clock till it's time to go!!

Post# 392066 , Reply# 53   5/17/2018 at 15:48 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Hey Sean

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Sounds like there's a lot to to pick from. I remember the Portland Convention in 2012. What a fun time we had! Looks like you and John are having a fun time as well sitting at the kids table in Stark's museum!

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Post# 392099 , Reply# 55   5/18/2018 at 16:58 by akabent (Orange County)        
Visit to Stark's Museum

Stark's Museum was yet another great opportunity enjoyed by the VCCC as we visit varying cities and collections, and the overwhelming response was a good time was definitely had by all.  That incredible Banquet, which of course is the grand finale of meals included in the Registration Fee was quite the treat.  By necessity, however, the Banquet does include less choices than an individual's self-hosting at the local White Castle or Wendy's.

Of Note: The VCCC Registration Fee does not include or provide any mind-altering options, either.



Post# 392151 , Reply# 56   5/20/2018 at 23:17 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Does the name

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Mike Pupeck mean anything to anyone? Just curious.

Post# 392237 , Reply# 57   5/23/2018 at 09:33 by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        
Infamously, it does.

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He goes by "Power" followed by some numbers on ebay and snipes things from other collectors, something that I think is ungenerous where fellow collectors are involved. Some people might be around who actually know him and can describe him more broadly, perhaps more approvingly if it's justified, so I'll leave it at that.

Post# 392254 , Reply# 58   5/23/2018 at 14:25 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Thanks, Patrick.

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All of the various stories floating around are 'before my time'. I DID hear that he may have deep pockets. If one likes, and can afford machines, well................... But, sadly, I've heard "vile" things............
He may not even know who I am, either. A lot of people do...or "think" they do. Some meet me and are rather surprised.
Who knows?

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Post# 392269 , Reply# 59   5/23/2018 at 20:21 by electrolux137 (Land O Plenty USA)        



Just wondering what Mike Pupek has to do with this thread.


That having been said, we've been good friends for many years. I met him in 1991 via Stan Kann, who had been a friend of Mike's for a number of years previously. Mike was one of the original members of the VCCC -- he joined the club in the mid 1980s.


I have never known Mike to be anything but kind and gentle, with nothing bad to say about anyone. So it seems somewhat unseemly that his reputation is being unfairly besmirched here, without any substantiation whatsoever other than idle prattle and unfounded gossip.


(And I suspect that other Club old-timers would have the same to say about him. Too bad most of them are no longer around for one reason or another.)


Yes, Mike is a "man of means" and can afford to purchase whatever he wants. When did that ever become a crime? With all the small-minded and selfish childish users on eBay who purposely and maliciously drive up the price on things they want but can't afford -- just to be mean -- who can fault anyone for sniping?


I used to feel differently about sniping and frequently railed loudly and publicly against snipers. But over the years I have had a change of heart about this, especially when things I was bidding on were purposely being driven up in cost. The best way to prevent that from happening (and even then, it's not infallible) is to place a bid during the last four or five seconds of an auction's open period. There are even software programs to automatically snipe.


So, again: What does Mike Pupek have to do with this thread?

Post# 392274 , Reply# 60   5/23/2018 at 21:55 by Air-WayCharlie (USA)        

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Thank you Charles. Ditto to the above.

Post# 392293 , Reply# 61   5/24/2018 at 14:48 by sleepdoc (St. Louis, MO)        
Obviously, it's not a crime, just not a kindness.

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I don't buy many things on ebay anymore, so I don't know what the current climate is like amongst vacuum collectors on ebay. Let me be clear that I realize there's nothing illegal or criminal about sniping. However, I've always considered it an unfriendly thing to do when fellow collectors are involved. If a person were to do it over an over, to the point that people knew him by ebay moniker and by actual identity just for doing that so often, the penalty would be an ungenerous reputation, which is exactly what happened. I'm commenting within a very limited scope and not making any statements about what he was like outside of ebay; I would defer to those who actually knew him or continue to know him if he's still alive.

Post# 392302 , Reply# 62   5/24/2018 at 21:53 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Post# 392321 , Reply# 63   5/25/2018 at 13:06 by akabent (Orange County)        
Mike, Sniping, and unfounded gossip

I, too, do not understand the harsh comments about Mike and so  I  unreservedly have to agree with Charles' comments/perspective.  Most everyone has their 'theory' about how to 'win' on E-bay;  mine initially focusing on exactly when to bid.  However, I find many who are disgruntled simply/merely because an individual wins many bids seem to be showing their jealousy.  In many cases, I have lost items to people who have apparently worked harder and smarter than I, and I applaud them for that rather than begrudge them.  I'm proud of my collection but recognize others may always outbid me as was the case recently on a much-sought-after phone I 'lost'.  I have never heard anything unkind said about Mike though I have definitely lost items to him.  At least they are going to someone who appreciates them as much as I would!!  Just my thoughts.



Post# 392396 , Reply# 64   5/27/2018 at 00:12 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I, too, have hear nice things about him.

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As well as nasty ones.....but....nasty things have been said about me as well. If one has the funds, and is quick, one is able to purchase various machines.
I only mentioned Mike because I've learned thathe has rejoined The VCCC. I'm sure Ken, our membershp coordinator, will welcome him publically, again.
Certainly, I was not throwing gasoline on a fire. That was certainly not my intention at all.

Post# 392414 , Reply# 65   5/27/2018 at 19:34 by pinkge (Indianapolis,Indiana)        

With negitive remarks about someone,No wonder the club loose's members and people don't join.

Post# 392451 , Reply# 66   5/28/2018 at 20:53 by swivelsean (Santa Fe, NM)        
My 'I's are dotted and my 'T's are crossed

I just confirmed my rental car, convention hotel room, air travel and convention fee. Just in the nick of time, as most of the convention hotel rooms have been booked, what a good sign. While I requested from Avis an AMC Ambassador or Oldsmobile 98, neither where available but I reserved a full sized domestic vehicle so I'll have room for other conventioneers and their finds from Marc's shop and home. Be sure to pack sunscreen and parasols to protect from the summer sun, in case someone wants to take a stroll or enjoy the convenient walk between Marc's shop and home.
Only 3 1/2 weeks to go!

Post# 392477 , Reply# 67   5/29/2018 at 09:30 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Sean, I called and changed your car reservation. Instead of an olds 98 There will be a 76 Gremlin waiting for your arrival..... I can just see you driving it.

Post# 392498 , Reply# 68   5/29/2018 at 19:05 by cuffs054 (monticello, ga)        

Having owned both vehicles, your best bet would be the 98 with the Gremlin in the boot!

Post# 392513 , Reply# 69   5/30/2018 at 10:14 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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haha agreed!!!!

Post# 392529 , Reply# 70   5/30/2018 at 17:17 by akabent (Orange County)        

Anyone remember the early Gremlin ad where the lady pulls up in a (new) Gremlin and they guy(s) sitting around ask  "So, where's the rest of your car, toots?"


    That tickles me to this day!!  (OK, I get amused easily!!)



Post# 392531 , Reply# 71   5/30/2018 at 17:28 by Vinvac (Dubuque IA)        

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You are 100% correct, why would anyone want to join when people treat each other this way. I also agree with electrolux137, jealousy has ruined this club and the fellowship it once had.

I know the world keeps on spinning and things change and I will always remain a member but currently not at the same level for many of the same reasons.

Post# 392532 , Reply# 72   5/30/2018 at 17:41 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
I have hadHarsh opimions in the past,

And have said things I shouldn't, that being said, I have been friends with Tom Gasko, and the late Clay Floyd ever since I found out about the VCCC in 1994, Yes I was around that long ago, I am also friends with many of the newer members, I just refuse to get into a name calling put down match, The main reason I left the VCCC was the newsletter was done away with, weather it is being printed now I don't know,I know this, im 52 years old , I will not degrade myself by trying to insult others, say what you want, but Tom got us the first publicity we ever had, I have tried to make peace with those I had differences with, some here might find you would like Tom if you got to know him, As far as Mike Pupec , he has been to my home, eaten my cooking, and though I haven't seen him in a while, I get along fine with him ..

Post# 392753 , Reply# 73   6/3/2018 at 14:42 by akabent (Orange County)        
Getting Closer!!!

The VCCC, the longest-running and most varied Vacuum Club and Convention in the US  is just around the proverbial corner.  Still time to make your arrangements to be a part of it and you won't be sorry!    "Coming to a neighborhood near you', we're the only Convention that 'makes appearances' nearly all around the US, giving access to as many enthusiasts of vacuum cleaners as possible.   Hopefully, Spokane is a location you can attend.  If not, at least there is the knowledge of it not being in the same old, tired location year after year, ad nauseum.   Join us in Spokane, or when we come to your neck of the woods.  You won't leave disappointed, but you will most likely leave with numerous treasures as nearly all of our attendees cant attest to.


See you there!


The members of the VCCC welcome you

Post# 392756 , Reply# 74   6/3/2018 at 18:18 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
If I go

Im going to St Louis , no drama, fun, and great old friends!and I don't have to try and impress anyone.

Post# 392771 , Reply# 75   6/3/2018 at 23:07 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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It WOULD be great to actually, finally meet you in person. I've always enjoyed your posts. Please know that you would be most welcome. Not trying to impress anyone, either.
I'm a proud member of The VCCC, and always enjoy seeing everyone AND visiting new places.
You have a lot to offer. It could be a lot of fun.

Post# 392773 , Reply# 76   6/3/2018 at 23:44 by swivelsean (Santa Fe, NM)        
Looking forward to the same...

Fellow Club Members,
I'm looking forward to no drama, fun and seeing old friends too! All in Spokane in less than three weeks. I'm making my parts and vac lists for friends who can't make the trip. Will I be checking my lists twice, you better believe it.

This will be my tenth consecutive VCCC Convention and each one I find enriches my life in the present and provides great memories. From the warmth and kindness of Terry Latz, who greeted me like an old friend when we first met in Chicago in 2009, to the deep friendships that I have been lucky to develop with other VCCC members over the years...I consider myself lucky to be associated with the VCCC. Each year provides an opportunity to experience a new collection, or two, or three and enjoy the hospitality of a collector who has opened his or her home to the VCCC members. And the digging/finding/shopping...I remember climbing a ladder at an old time hardware store in Milwaukee handing vintage vac bags to Scott and Will and more recently helping John and Brett 'climb through' a long time closed vac store in Oklahoma City. Each year reveals a new adventure and I'm looking forward to the next one.
See everyone soon,

Post# 392788 , Reply# 77   6/4/2018 at 09:22 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Sean, you are such a kind person. I remember your first convention very well. A life long friendship was formed! I love the conventions and mini meets. They are ALL so important to keeping the passion of vacuums alive!
I'm so glad we've had this time together just to have a laugh or sing a song. Seems we just get started and before you know it comes the time we have to say so long.

Post# 392795 , Reply# 78   6/4/2018 at 11:06 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Thank you John

And to clear the air, im certainly NOT mad with anyone, I just don't intend to gET mad and that is why I stay away, I have friends in both groups, and I just wont get into arguing and fighting , I have in the past, but I intend to get along.

Post# 392807 , Reply# 79   6/4/2018 at 13:37 by vacuumlad1650 (Chicago Suburbs)        

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Tell me, Phil...are you tugging an ear right now?

Post# 392817 , Reply# 80   6/4/2018 at 19:19 by papasvacs (Lauderdale Lakes, FL)        
Getting closer......

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Had my oral surgery today.  Went well.  Go back for a check on Friday.

Then, heading up to camp in NY, just about 80 miles south east of Buffalo.

Alone this year so I made reservations on the Amtrak AutoTrain on June 11.  It takes me, and my car, from Sanford, FL to Lorton, VA.  I'll  drive from there to camp, arriving June 12 or 13.   I HATE driving, especially alone.
Will fly from Buffalo to Spokane on June 20.  Who else arrives Wednesday?
So looking forward to familiar and new faces as I have not been able to attend the last two conventions for various reasons.
Can't wait for my June adventures!
See you on the 20th!

Post# 392829 , Reply# 81   6/4/2018 at 22:06 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Well, plane ticket is ready.

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Have a great roomie, sent the paperwork. A few things to do here at home.
I'm so looking forward to seeing everyone again.
And, yes, Hans, one day. it would be great to meet you in person. I'm very loyal to The VCCC. I don't bash, etc...although I've been ridiculed numerous times. However, I will not give some folks that power, the real power to hurt me or the people/friends whom I hold dear to me. Sadly, some friendships have ended, or diminished as well. That's unfortunate.

Post# 392848 , Reply# 82   6/5/2018 at 10:04 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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Greg, Most of us will arrive on Wednesday. It's kind of tradition lol Looking forward to it.

Post# 392855 , Reply# 83   6/5/2018 at 11:01 by singingrainbow (Texas)        

I'm sad I won't get to see everyone this year. I have been to every one since 2007 and have thorougly enjoyed each.
This summer I have a few summer classes I am taking, and even skipping a couple days for the convention wouldn't be a good idea. I'm really hoping I can make it to the next one but with my senior year coming up I'm just not sure.

Post# 392861 , Reply# 84   6/5/2018 at 14:17 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Although we totally understand,

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we'll most definitely will miss both you and your mom.


Post# 392865 , Reply# 85   6/5/2018 at 15:30 by akabent (Orange County)        

Scott, you and your Mom will definitely be missed.  Yes, hopefully you will be able to resume your rather stellar attendance as soon as next year.  Keep up the good work, you won't regret it!


My best, 


Post# 392892 , Reply# 86   6/6/2018 at 09:20 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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I am really going to miss you and Barb!!! It feels like you guys have been around forever! I will never forget your first convention in Omaha the great Bison round up lol

Post# 392996 , Reply# 87   6/8/2018 at 11:23 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
They are both like

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permanent fixtures at The VCCC.

Post# 393095 , Reply# 88   6/11/2018 at 08:55 by kirbyvertibles (Independence, KS)        

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yes they are

Post# 393133 , Reply# 89   6/12/2018 at 09:57 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
And, I hope they

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stay that way.

Post# 393139 , Reply# 90   6/12/2018 at 11:21 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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Nigel from Vacuum Advisor is sponsoring us again this year with two gift cards. These will be prizes in our cleaning contests.


Post# 393140 , Reply# 91   6/12/2018 at 12:31 by akabent (Orange County)        
Vacuum Advisor / Gift Cards

How very kind and generous, again!!  Many, many thanks from our Club.

Post# 393145 , Reply# 92   6/12/2018 at 14:04 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Nigel is an

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extraordinarily kind and thoughtful man.

Post# 393170 , Reply# 93   6/13/2018 at 08:54 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've been speaking to a few people this week.

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It looks like everything is falling into place. A lot of hard work goes into these. But, it's all worth it.
Tick Tock.........

Post# 393177 , Reply# 94   6/13/2018 at 15:06 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I've added

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Glenn Deinst and former member, Clay Floyd to our list of departed members.

Post# 393180 , Reply# 95   6/13/2018 at 15:10 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
sadly, so many members

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are now in that book.

Post# 393182 , Reply# 96   6/13/2018 at 16:43 by electrolux137 (Land O Plenty USA)        


John, could you please post the list of Departed Members? Thanks.

Post# 393188 , Reply# 97   6/13/2018 at 19:31 by completenutt (West Hollywood, California)        

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Has the convention ever been in the Los Angeles area?

Post# 393223 , Reply# 98   6/14/2018 at 18:06 by akabent (Orange County)        
Convention in Los Angeles

Indeed, the Convention was in Los Angeles in 2005 and it was awesome with two very large and varied collections exhibited.  Though each collection was quite varied, one collection displayed an essentially complete array of Electrolux documenting its first half-century in the U.S. (1924-1974).  

Post# 393238 , Reply# 99   6/14/2018 at 22:34 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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All of the names are in the book. That book is currently on its way to the convention.I am adding Glenn Deinst, (loved by all... died prematurely, and Clay Floyd, a former member of The VCCC, (there has only ever been one VCCC,) I never met Clay, but, being that he was a member at one time, he deserves a page in our book. I'll get that list posted after we return. If there are any whom I missed, I'll gladly add them to the book.

Post# 393268 , Reply# 100   6/15/2018 at 21:21 by completenutt (West Hollywood, California)        

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@Rick. Thanks! I'll shoot for next year VCCC and probably visit the museum this year in the fall. I would have enjoyed the Electrolux exhibit!

Post# 393288 , Reply# 101   6/16/2018 at 01:00 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Just think

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before you know it, we'll all be together!

Post# 393308 , Reply# 102   6/16/2018 at 09:14 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Cutting the grass now.

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Made arrangements for a friend to check in on the cats.
It's all falling into place.

Post# 393497 , Reply# 103   6/18/2018 at 22:09 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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Let's touch base Tues p.m. before we all head out to the convention. Lots to talk about.

Post# 393499 , Reply# 104   6/18/2018 at 22:15 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Lots and

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Post# 393509 , Reply# 105   6/19/2018 at 01:57 by Ultralux88 (Denver, Colorado)        

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The excitement builds for another gathering! Iím looking forward to all the pictures (though Iím absolutely the worst at actually taking them, I just get so caugh up in everything that I just canít keep my mind on one thing long enough to do that) and videos. Wish I could be there too!

Post# 393515 , Reply# 106   6/19/2018 at 10:34 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Bags are getting packed, etc................................

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I'm currently at JURY DUTY! YIKES!
See everyone soon.
Safe travels!!

Post# 393523 , Reply# 107   6/19/2018 at 13:50 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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What time Thursday does the festivities begin?

Post# 393524 , Reply# 108   6/19/2018 at 14:30 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
There will be a paper for everyone. But, usually around

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4-4:30, I believe.

Post# 393536 , Reply# 109   6/19/2018 at 17:41 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Paper? We aren't staying at the hotel. We are driving our motorhome up. Staying at a campground a couple miles away.

Post# 393541 , Reply# 110   6/19/2018 at 19:22 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Paper, meaning a schedule of events.

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Members start registering in the late afternoon. I think it all "begins" at 4. Just come to hotel around then, or even a little earlier. Will be great to see you.

Post# 393550 , Reply# 111   6/19/2018 at 22:01 by countryford (Phoenix, AZ)        

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Hopefully will be there before 4. We are about 900 miles away. We are back on the road, first thing in the morning.

Post# 393558 , Reply# 112   6/20/2018 at 00:40 by swivelsean (Santa Fe, NM)        
Welcome to the VCCC Convention

Dear Convention Attendees
Brett and I will be welcoming guests beginning at 4pm at the convention hotel, be sure look for the signs to direct you. There will be a welcome brochure/map, as well as 'what to do and who to see' information available.

Be sure to bring an empty suitcase, duffle bag, or steamer trunk to bring home all the great machines and parts that are looking for new 'forever' homes. I brought two empty suitcases and am planning a trip to FedEx or two to help facilitate the movement of such items.

Looking forward to seeing everyone in the next day or two,

Post# 393693 , Reply# 113   6/22/2018 at 09:20 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
The VCCC Convention is underway.

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I thought I would share some pictures from Marc's shop and other vac shops that we visited in the area.

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Post# 393697 , Reply# 114   6/22/2018 at 10:13 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        

A Regina canister!!! I need a hose and attachments for mine!!!

Post# 393743 , Reply# 115   6/23/2018 at 17:27 by GOTTAHAVEAHOOVE (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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After a horrible trip. long story, lost my luggage. It went to Newark, I didn't .Suitcase finally arrivewd here.
We went to an "AUTHORIZE3D HYOOVER DEALER", a Kirby Center, of course, Harold's (Marc's store). We're finding wonderful things. Several trips to UPD/FED EX....
The area is beautiful. We held a few elcetions, had our meeting, dinners at some really nice locations, cleaning contests, etc. It's a shame that some other members are missing here this year.
Tonight, dinner (private area) at a casino. Then, back to the hotel for awards, etc.....
This all goes by so quickly. Dave Olsen is here!!! What a surprise. We also have a new member here. We'll give more details later.
Just doing a quick 'check in' here.
As always, a great time is being had by all.

Post# 393745 , Reply# 116   6/23/2018 at 17:35 by GOTTAHAVEAHOOVE (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
I meant...

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arrived and elections. Bad spelling today.

Post# 393808 , Reply# 117   6/24/2018 at 21:46 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Just got home!!!

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After another 11 hour day traveling, I'm in my house... WITH my luggage!
It was wonderful to see everyone again. It's up right where we leave off".
Special thanks to ALL of the people who made this convention the TRIUMPH that it was!
More details soon.

Post# 393814 , Reply# 118   6/24/2018 at 22:10 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
And, we met anf welcomed a new member.

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And, what a surprise to see Dave Olsen again!

Post# 393819 , Reply# 119   6/25/2018 at 00:05 by kenkart (Mocksville, NC)        
Great that you had

A safe good trip! Dave is a really nice guy.

Post# 393833 , Reply# 120   6/25/2018 at 09:41 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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his husband, Pete. I din't want to leave him out.

Post# 393853 , Reply# 121   6/25/2018 at 14:53 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
And, Congratulations to Kenny Loveland

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who was awarded The Ruth Hollander Award for loyal service to The VCCC.

Post# 393865 , Reply# 122   6/25/2018 at 17:53 by akabent (Orange County)        
Major Kudos to our host in Spokane!

WOW!   Another incredible Convention!  So many thanks to our host, Marc, the Board, and numerous members who stepped up to provide such a fun, vibrant convention.  It seems each succeeding VCCC Convention continues to approach or meet the rather high bar established in 2008, each in its own unique way.  (note: 'high' not being referenced as in the much-lauded,  glorified, 'self-host' vacuum socials)   The thrill, camaraderie, and enjoyment never diminishes and in reality has clearly been on a noticeable upward trend for some years now.  


While it's understood that some locations are more accessible than others, the Club's continuing effort to visit new, exciting areas, collections, and vacuum cleaner museums around the United States has allowed for increasingly greater numbers to be represented over time as "the Convention comes to a theater near you!" (the intent of a collaborative Board seeking new and exciting venues )


Special appreciation goes to original, founding member, John Lucia, for his continuing input, guidance, and humor in Spokane.  John, you are such a gentleman!


Again, many, many thanks to Marc and the VCCC Board.



Post# 393869 , Reply# 123   6/25/2018 at 19:26 by lux14 (Leawood Kansas)        

OMG a Regina canister in post 113!!!! I have never seen one with a hose with a brade on it or this paticular color! I wonder if it was a Canadian model. These are very rare canisters......Been looking for one for years!!!!

Post# 393878 , Reply# 124   6/25/2018 at 21:14 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
We had lots!!!

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And I mean lots for sale this year! I shipped four boxes home. Probably the most I've ever seen at a convention. I'm working on posting pictures to the club's website.

We also had a very productive membership meeting. My plan is to scan most of the past newsletters (mid 90's through today) and provide them to our members on our site. So many valuable resources in those old newsletters! I'll be working with Dave Olsen's husband Pete to create a forum for our members on our site.

Post# 393879 , Reply# 125   6/25/2018 at 21:15 by vac-o-matic (Saint Louis, Mo.)        

Ditto Rick B.! I had a wonderful time, always good to be with old friends and meet new members! My thanks to everyone who had a hand in putting it together and a special thanks to Marc for his generosity and opening his home to us!

Post# 393883 , Reply# 126   6/25/2018 at 22:41 by portable (Tucson, AZ)        

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I had a wonderful time. It was great to see old friends and make some new ones. Marc sure has a lot of stuff. We helped him "lighten" it up a little. Thanks to everyone who made this convention such a great experience. Spokane is a beautiful city. I'll be back in the Fall to pick up some purchases from Marc and visit with him.

Post# 393898 , Reply# 127   6/26/2018 at 09:30 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        

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If you would like to see the more pictures from the Vacuum Cleaner Collectors Club convention please click on the link below for the gallery.


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Post# 393903 , Reply# 128   6/26/2018 at 12:26 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Convention pictures

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I'm continually updating our club website with pictures as members send them in. So please check back frequently!

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Post# 393906 , Reply# 129   6/26/2018 at 14:08 by lux14 (Leawood Kansas)        

Thanks so much for all the pictures......They were so great to look at! It was also great to see some familar faces too! John.....thanks for all the recaps as well! Some really beautiful machines!!!! Looks like fun was had by all! Congrat's on a successful convention!

Post# 393962 , Reply# 130   6/27/2018 at 20:37 by akabent (Orange County)        
Gallery of pictures

Thank you, Kenny.  What a GREAT array, documenting so much of the Convention.  Yes, as John L stated, "A GOOD TIME WAS HAD BY ALL!!!"   I surely second that!



Post# 394092 , Reply# 131   6/30/2018 at 12:15 by kloveland (Tulsa, OK)        
Convention finds

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Just thought I would add some of my convention finds to the thread. Marc was a great host! I had so much fun. I'm thankful everything made it back safely via FedEx.

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Post# 394095 , Reply# 132   6/30/2018 at 12:27 by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
wow, Kenny!

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That all white JC Penney
cleaned up perfectly. I have the vault. You can hardly tell the difference
My package arrived quickly, and unharmed too.
I got a mint 1070, brand new tools (ultraflex hose, separate connector, and a case of J bags.

Post# 394198 , Reply# 133   7/2/2018 at 11:30 by lux14 (Leawood Kansas)        

Wow Kenny is right! The machines are all beautiful! That Regina cansiter is very rare. I believe it may have been one of the original judgeing by the pinstipe hose. All of the hoses I have seen are solid. No pinstripes.

Is the hose still air tight?

Congratulations Kenny!

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