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Post# 377678   8/31/2017 at 23:08 by Vacmaster (Southern California)        

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A new Dyson with (yet ANOTHER) new cleaning head. Seems to be on a DC40 body again with the new tool design. Thoughts?


Post# 377690 , Reply# 1   9/1/2017 at 09:33 by dysonman1 (Rolla, Missouri)        

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Wow. They have "invented" a Kenmore Direct Drive. Yawn. And, they've invented the air flow control on the power nozzle that was first brought out on the 1970's Compact vacuum. What's next? Oh yes, now they need need beater bars on the brush roller. So much for innovation.

Post# 377694 , Reply# 2   9/1/2017 at 11:54 by FantomTechGuy (ND, US)        

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LOL! I thought that was funny! It's so true too. Also, I am interested on buying that Thunder and Fury.

Post# 377761 , Reply# 3   9/2/2017 at 21:40 by AlexHoovers94 (Manchester UK)        

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James must be doing something right, he is still in business and making more money than anybody in this forum...

Post# 377788 , Reply# 4   9/3/2017 at 19:31 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        

Regarding the video of that machine, and the last few seconds of the video...

I see Dyson still persists in using a conventional suction motor in their uprights. So one must presume that the Dyson Digital Motor is unsuitable for their uprights.

Post# 377879 , Reply# 5   9/5/2017 at 01:27 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Cautiously optimistic..

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The new cleaner head looks nice, but I noticed the self-adjusting "bellows" are gone, so it's just sits on the carpet like the older models. If the brushbar is designed to still spin when cleaning bare floors, that means the brushbar will need to be really gentle, or hardly protrude from the sole-plate at all (sadly the latter is the likely scenario). If that's the case, the carpet cleaning performance will yet-again be compromised, despite looking like it means business. However, if that isn't the case, and the machine just has a huge aggressive brushbar that does an awesome job, then it looks like a winner. Dyson claims it's much quieter too!

I wonder if this model was made to meet the new stricter EU energy regulations? If so, the US likely won't get the same machine. We never got the lower-consumption MK2 models, but instead similar variants.

I'm still waiting to see Dyson's nifty self-cleaning shroud on one of their uprights!

Post# 377884 , Reply# 6   9/5/2017 at 02:36 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
Just spotted this on the Dyson Germany page

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What in the world is going on here? This looks like some Hoover Triple Vortex complexity. Dyson touts that it's their best bin ever.

Post# 377886 , Reply# 7   9/5/2017 at 02:40 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

All the MORE cyclones to clog or gum up!These things seem to love getting clogged with long people,cat,or dog hair!

Post# 377890 , Reply# 8   9/5/2017 at 02:54 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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I wish I could fully disagree with you. The Cinetic uprights are flawed, and most will die an early death due to choked exhaust filters (but it's not from clogging cyclones, it's from the lack of a pre-motor filter). However, in terms of bagless filtration, Dyson still leads the pack by a mile. They keep improving and patenting their cyclonic filtration along the way. Sure the DC07s, DC08s, and initial DC17s had issues with clogging cyclone packs, but they've long sorted out that issue. For me, on newer Dysons, I dislike having to reach into the bin to pull out dirt around the shroud if I had overfilled it. My experience so far with the "dirt ejector" Dyson bins has been terrific. I can't wait to see how this mysterious new setup works!

Post# 377892 , Reply# 9   9/5/2017 at 06:25 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I just go by what I see and help Mike with at the vac shop here when customers bring in Dysons of ALL types saying---"Won't pick up" we find clogged cyclones,airpath,and of course filters CAKED with dirt.One Dyson airpath contained a pen and a bottle of fingernail polish!When Mike tried to pull the clog out with the pen,nail polish,and wads of hair the cap came off the bottle and made a mess of the bench.The "dirt ejector" flaps on the dirt container results in the "POOF" of dust when the machine is dumpted-right into your face!You almost need to suck out the containers and filters with a bagged vacuum to avoid the poof factor in the dysons-and most other bagless vacuums.I will stick with HEPA type cloth bags!They can hold more debris anyway.Too-many folks that buy Dysons and other bagless vacuums don't read the instruction books that come with them-they say to empty the machine after each use--like with a cloth dump bag vacuum.Instead the user treats the bagless machine like a disposable bagged vacuum and only dumps the bin when it is full or even PACKED with stuff.

Post# 377905 , Reply# 10   9/5/2017 at 14:08 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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This new Dyson is the same as all previous models - It is Junk just like every other plastic bagless vacuum. The cleaning ability is just mediocre due to it's flawed BAGLESS design.


Dyson's sell because of their shiny futuristic looks, but they soon get replaced when the cyclone and filters clog up.



Post# 377934 , Reply# 11   9/5/2017 at 21:02 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

For years I owned a DC14 (still have it). Really disgusting giving it a periodic good cleaning. The last time was the final straw that made me decide to get a bagged vacuum. My Miele is still spotless through-and-through.

Post# 377945 , Reply# 12   9/6/2017 at 01:16 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
I figured out how the new cyclone pack works

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It's combination of Shark's current filtration system (a tight initial single cyclone that flings dirt away from the shroud.. notice the second bin-flap, and lip that would let dirt fling out into the bottom portion of the bin, the much smaller shroud, and narrower top chamber of the bin), followed by Dyson's patented Cinetic cyclonic system. Although I will ALWAYS advocate for a pre-motor filter in any vacuum, I bet this combination of both systems will yield excellent dust separation.

In the bagless market, Shark has by-far the best single-cyclonic system, and it's been copied by both Miele (their bagless canister uses the same separation principles that all new Sharks use), and funnily enough, now Dyson.

Very interesting to see Dyson of all companies give an engineering nod to one of their competitors. I thought they were the inventors!

Post# 377949 , Reply# 13   9/6/2017 at 01:54 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

Shark is another plastic bagless abomination that gets hopelessly clogged-the neck going from the powernozzle to the body.The powernozzle can't be opened for service-say to replace the belt.You have to buy a whole new powernozzle!!!A sick joke of a vacuum cleaner-yet folks buy them because of the flashy ads and pretty shiny plastic with the FAKE "Chrome"!!ANY used BAGGED vacuum will outperform those Sharks which perform like a minnow!!!

Post# 377956 , Reply# 14   9/6/2017 at 02:38 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        

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Trying may be believing. I own a few newer Shark vacuums, and frankly I've been pleasantly surprised by how well they perform. They're great! Most of them have narrow, but extremely aggressive brushrolls, and clean and groom like all my other fav vacs. They're also quiet, and I love the versatility with the tools and all the cleaning options. They're easy to empty and maintain, too. I still prefers Dyson's setup of an upright with a long stretch hose for stairs (where you just walk up the stairs and clean with the wand, instead of having to carry the machine with you, like Shark or others), but most consumers will likely find their Sharks more than satisfactory. Unlike Hoover and Eureka, Shark is actively learning from the feedback of their customers, and applying it to their products. Some of their new machines are fun to use, and do a great job!

Shark also introduced me to the "wand headlight," a feature an engineer and fellow enthusiast suggested a decade ago during a conversation. I thought the idea was a bit extravagant at the time, but now that I've used it in the Powered Lift-Away, it's proven extremely handy and beneficial!

Post# 377959 , Reply# 15   9/6/2017 at 06:20 by tolivac (Greenville,NC)        

I tried the Sharks at the vac place and WAS NOT impressed-another clacky,creaky piece of vacuum plastic.IE trying the customer machines after they were unclogged to see if they would work.Glad you are happy-I am NOT going to buy a Shark,Dyson,or ANY other bagless vacuum cleaner.

Post# 377965 , Reply# 16   9/6/2017 at 09:51 by sptyks (Woburn, MA)        

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"I am NOT going to buy a Shark, Dyson or ANY other bagless vacuum cleaner. "


Neither will I!  I share that same opinion!



Post# 377967 , Reply# 17   9/6/2017 at 10:52 by Rolls_rapide (Scotland)        
Dyson Cinetic Big Ball Cylinder

On the German site, near bottom of the page, the 'self-righting' mechanism is described as:

"Automatisches Aufrichten"...

which Google helpfully translates to...

"Automatic Erection"...!

Oooh, er, Missus!


Post# 378041 , Reply# 18   9/6/2017 at 23:31 by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)        
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There is one premium alt instead of the China made Hoovers, vaxes, Bissells, Dysons and Sharks. The Miele Blizzard. I am not a fan of bagless (due to allergy and due to low quality) but Qualitywise it is great. Well that is of course for another thread.

Post# 378088 , Reply# 19   9/8/2017 at 01:58 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
The Miele Blizzard looks nice, but

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I'm surprised Miele resisted throwing a few cyclones into their large bagless canister to improve it's separation efficiency. They're using Shark's system instead, coupled with a Windtunnel 2/Hoover Z system, with a filter that gets dirt "flicked-off" the pleats as needed, by the vacuum. I'm sure it works well, but there's obvious room for improvement, and the whole system is astonishingly over-complicated.

Post# 378105 , Reply# 20   9/8/2017 at 11:33 by DrSnuggle (Sweden Stockholm)        
Heard it all before

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I saw a lot of those comments on the videos I did. And ibaisiac also said the same thing in his review as you (more or less). I beg to differ. I admit The Miele Blizzard is the only bagless I ever had, but... The videos I have seen on YT of multi-cyclones make me think it was a good choice by Miele. It must be better airflow using mono-cyclone compared to multi-cyclones (less resistance). It sound less than multi-cyclones. It is also very simple to clean The Blizzard. You also need less power to achieve the same cleaning result.

It is all about filters and Miele has a huge filter after the air has passed the container (which is easy to clean), the mono cyclon being the first. With multi-cyclones those other filters may be cleaner for a longer time. But sooner or later you will have to clean them out. The dirt does not magically disappear.

My point in my last post was that not all bagless are cheaply produced crap. No I believe that Miele Blizzard can stand on it's own against all of these bagless vacuums produced in low wage countries.

Post# 378279 , Reply# 21   9/12/2017 at 02:05 by henrydreyfuss (Ohio)        
I bet the Miele Blizzard is great!

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I have a few Sharks that use a nearly-identical filtration setup (minus the "self-cleaning" filter), and they work far better than expected. I am admittedly still surprised Miele opted-out of cyclones (given that the patents are expired, and they work so much better at keeping dirt off the filters to begin with), but the Shark setup is the next best thing. I'd love to try one! I own one Miele canister, and it's excellent. I'd never part with it!

Post# 378285 , Reply# 22   9/12/2017 at 06:28 by Tseg (World Traveller)        

I'm not some environmentalist sustainability guy but can appreciate engineering in a vacuum that can make it last for years and years and years. Most bagless vacuums die after a couple years, while is acceptable to many, is no engineering feat. God forbid a bagless does live for years and years and years... then you have to deal with deep cleaning of the vacuum. I've deep-cleaned bagless vacuums with years of crud and it is downright gross. I remember years ago when I bought a Dyson and thought it was the greatest thing since sliced bread. Within a year I found it repulsive, but carried on with it for many more years. A year into a bagged Miele and it is still pristine on the inside. How do bagless fans reconcile dealing with the internal filth that must be scoured periodically... or is that some type of unique quirky attraction I cannot appreciate?

Post# 378520 , Reply# 23   9/16/2017 at 16:44 by bikerray (Middle Earth)        

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Oh, I thought you meant that the ball lights up while you're vacuuming.

Is Dyson ever going to come out with a Disco Ball vacuum?????

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