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Post# 369071   3/24/2017 at 11:23 (182 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        

So, for all the Eureka fans out there, saw this nozzle on a vacuum store web site, has anyone used it? If so, is it any good? It sounds very similar to the dustcare pb11, and is one of the few nozzles that actually has a power button. Also, does anyone know if this is the nozzle that is included with the Metropoliton canister vacuums? I have that vacuum and that nozzle alsso has a power switch.
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Post# 369072 , Reply# 1   3/24/2017 at 11:39 (182 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
dustcare nozzle

And here is the Dustcare pb11 in black, apparently it's also available in grey, I'm wondering if it's the same one as the Eureka.
www.centralvacuumstores.com/centr...


Post# 369077 , Reply# 2   3/24/2017 at 13:23 (182 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
It's...

Just the much loved Eureka Express PN from the Express canister line up. The Eureka one is still the genuine article, the Dust Care is a cheap Chinese knock-off. The only good thing the Dust Care brings to the table is a a geared belt versus the traditional stretch belt in the Express nozzle. It also has been and I believe continues to be sold as the Beam Rugmaster/Rugmaster Plus for their central vacuum systems.

Post# 369174 , Reply# 3   3/25/2017 at 15:09 (181 days old) by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
comparison with other power nozzles

Sounds like this nozzle is not as good as those from companies such as Wessel Werk and Lindhaus, or is it just as good?
Mike


Post# 369469 , Reply# 4   3/29/2017 at 00:07 by Durango159 (State College, PA)        

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This is actually an excellent cleaning power nozzle!! It's not expensive.

Eureka came out with this style power nozzle in the late 80s. It's called the Express power nozzle because it was on their Express canister. Currently it is not available on any Eureka canister but it is available as the Beam RugMaster power nozzle. The power head is pleasant sounding, durably built and uses a VGIII brush roll.

Don't be fooled by the stretch belt, the unit has a lot of torque, power and excellent deep cleaning ability. There is a non-headlight version available on many central vacs known as the Sweep and Groom.

The Eureka version is much better than the Dust Care PB11. The Dust Care tried to copy the Eureka one. It's cheap and not very durable. They sound squeaky brand new the Dust Care ones. I've tried 2 brand new!

The Wessel Werk EBK 360 is also an excellent power nozzle. It would be more durably built than the Express and have a longer life belt. It also has height adjustments and a shutoff protection system.

If you want a good built power head that isn't too much money, then you get the Eureka Express. There are some that would say this would outclean a Lindhaus as it's more powerful. Lindhaus is better built though.

If you have lots of money and have various style rugs, then get the EBK360. It will beat the Sebo ET-1.

A cleaning competition between the Beam RugMaster head and Wessel Werk EBK360 would be neat! Both have great agitation. The Wessel Werk is a chevron roller though.


Post# 369486 , Reply# 5   3/29/2017 at 10:01 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
eureka express

Does anyone know if the eureka express in the first post has a pigtail cord? If so, I may get it if it's that good. As far as a cleaning competition, since I'm bringing all of my power nozzles to the convention, we can have the competition that you mention, should be interesting.
Mike


Post# 369491 , Reply# 6   3/29/2017 at 12:23 by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
I...

Can't tell if the one in the first link has a pigtail or not. It most likely does, however I'm going to link an eBay seller that has one with a two prong pigtail for far less. This one is the cheapest I've been able to find.

CLICK HERE TO GO TO FantomLightning's LINK on eBay


Post# 369492 , Reply# 7   3/29/2017 at 12:24 by panasonicvac (Seattle, Washington)        

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They do have a pig tail cord. I have one of these for my Beam Central Vacuum and my Aunt also has one for her Beam Central Vacuum as well. I will agree that these are really good powerheads, even tho they don't use a manual height adjustment. What I don't like about these is that the belts are a little more difficult to replace and the brushroll sometimes gets bent overtime that it would get noisier so I would have to take these brushrolls apart, bend, and reinstall them. Otherwise in my opinion, I think these are the best cheapest powerheads on the market.

I actually like the Dust Care powerheads, my Uncle has one for his Flo-Master Central Vacuum and I think it cleans very well. Yes it's defenitly cheap and the wheels do squeak when you use these but I like the fact that it uses a geared belt which I like better than the Eureka powerhead. Otherwise I still recommend these to anybody who is looking the best entry level powerhead on the market.


Post# 369494 , Reply# 8   3/29/2017 at 13:37 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
VG brushes

So, were there different series of vibra groomer brushes? Wondering what the difference was between the VG1, VG2, and VG3. If it has a pigtail cord I may get it if it's that good of a nozzle. I always heard this nozzle was not very good compared to nozzles such as Wessel Werk, Sebo, Lindhaus, etc. Not too fond of the rubber belt, if the brush jammed, it would probably break in an instant.
Mike


Post# 369499 , Reply# 9   3/29/2017 at 14:11 by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
Vibra Groomer Differences...

The VGI is a spiral/helix shaped brushroll. It has four "slots" with two beater bars and two strips of brushes. You can swap in any combination you like so you can have all brushes or all beater bars if you want something almost like a rug badger. The VGII is a more traditional round brushroll, the beater "bars" are actually three beater pads on each side, along with two slots for replaceable brush strips. The VGII was Eurekas adaptation of the VGII for canister applications, it has a belt pulley on the end of it similar to how an Oreck brushroll is constructed, and four brush strips in total with stiffeners on them like a Royal has. The two additional brush strips took the place of the beater pad sections on the VGII. Personally, as much as I dislike rubber belts any more, with a new belt on I'd bet this PN could give the Sebo, WW, and Lindaus PNs a competent run for their money. Not to mention it should have a much longer service life having a metal brushroll with bearings you can service and brushes you can replace. It'd be my personal choice overall. Plus for the $94 they have it at on eBay it's a steal IMHO.

Post# 369517 , Reply# 10   3/29/2017 at 19:47 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
another eureka nozzle perhaps

It sounds like the Eureka express and rug master are the same, so I wonder what this one is. It's another beam nozzle, but I wonder if it's also made by Eureka.
www.centralvacuumstores.com/centr...
Mike


Post# 369518 , Reply# 11   3/29/2017 at 20:19 by FantomLightning (Ohio)        
Yep...

Rugmaster and the Express are the same PN. Most of the Beam PNs are Eureka/Eurekalux sourced. The one you linked is a pretty meh IMO Eureka PN from most of their late 90s/mid 2000s canisters. It uses a large diameter brushroll with stiff bristles similar to what's in the Boss Smartvac, from everything I've heard they are prone to eating belts. The Smartvac used a synthetic flat belt to solve that problem. They're also pretty cheap feeling build wise, I'd personally take the Rugmaster/Express PN. The Express also has the benefit of a foot operated switch so if you're using a machine that doesn't have a power switch for the PN you can turn it off without disconnecting the wire. The other Beam nozzle is lacking that feature.

Post# 369523 , Reply# 12   3/29/2017 at 21:52 by Bimmer740 (Long Island, New York)        

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The Express nozzle is a great power nozzle that cleans very well! My mom bought a new Eureka Express in 1986 and that machine got a lot of use. I was a toddler and my sister was born later that year, so you can imagine the mess it cleaned up during it service, and kept our floors and carpets very clean. My mom saved the vacuum after it was retired, and stored it in the attic. I dug it out and used the power nozzle with my VacuFlo system for a short time and it was great combination. It's not built as well as the Wessel-Werk nozzle but it's a good deep cleaner. It cleaned circle around my Lindhaus nozzle. If you have deep pile carpet or the newer plush style carpet you may want to opt for a nozzle that has a height adjustment because the Express nozzle may get stuck to that style carpeting. The Centec/Riccar/Simplicty nozzle also cleans very well too.

Post# 369650 , Reply# 13   3/31/2017 at 09:09 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
think i will get it

If that Eureka nozzle is as good as everyone is saying, maybe I will get it. Many web sites claim that it's old technology compared to modern power nozzles. Also, since I'm a blind person, I'm not sure if I would be able to change the belt myself. Rob, looks like you may get your wish at this year's convention, we'll be able to have a power nozzle battle and include the Eureka express.

Post# 375887 , Reply# 14   7/25/2017 at 16:59 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
finally bought it

I had actually forgotten about this, but I did go ahead and order the express nozzle. Unless I'm missing something, this should complete my collection of universal power nozzles, that is, power nozzles that will work with most vacuums with a standard hose and electrical connection. I know this comes with the VGIII brush which I assume is the best out of all three of them. Some day I would love to own a Eureka power team from the 1970's or 1980's, I think that's when Eureka made their best power team canisters. Wonder if the brush was any good in their first power teams, were those VGI brushes? For me, this will be power nozzle number 11. Interestingly, I have read many reviews of this nozzle that say that the Wessel Werk, Lindhaus, Sebo, and other nozzles are far better than this one and that this one does not clean nearly as good, granted it is an older design so I wonder if the reviewers were expecting too much. Apparently the VGIII was never used on an upright, and trying to do that will break the belt.
Mike


Post# 376245 , Reply# 15   8/1/2017 at 21:59 by n0oxy (Saint Louis Missouri, United States)        
got my Eureka express

It's a nice nozzle, seems pretty well made and has an interesting bumper around the edges. The brush definitely spins fast, I think there are two brush strips, I don't think the VGIII uses beater bars or if it does, I couldn't find them. One thing that this nozzle has that I really like is a nice long cord. With many of my other power nozzles, I have to use a separate adapter to extend the cord long enough to reach the outlet on the hose, with the Express, it reaches easily with some cord to spare. Better to make the cord too long than too short, if it's too long, it just dangles a bit, no big deal, but if it's too short, you have to use an adapter to make it longer. This is definitely a nozzle I'm happy to have in my collection.
Mike


Post# 376286 , Reply# 16   8/2/2017 at 13:54 by Kirbysthebest (Wichita, KS)        
Glad you like your purchase.

I may be mistaken, often am, if so I will take the correction in stride. 

But I believe you are correct the VGII uses two rows, actually four brush strips instead of the brush/beater bar arrangement of the other VGs. 





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