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Post# 368719   3/19/2017 at 18:14 by Electroluxxxx (cortland, NY)        

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A friend tipped me off that there was a hospital g on Craigslist about a week ago but said he could no longer find it. Curiosity set in and I searched, low and behold the "holy grail " Electrolux was there and has been posted for 2 months. I Sent a text to the guy who posted the add and he quickly responded that he still had the machine and would take $40 for it! It is missing the filter end but I'm sure one will come along as I like being positive, I need to source a hose that isn't destroyed as the vinyl one that came with it is pretty toasted and some tools which I have a source for those. The PN1 it came with is not in bad shape but it it doesn't have the plastic covered wand instead I believe it was switched out at some point. I have a PN 1 in excellent condition with the plastic wand that I will put with it. At some point within the very near future the machine will be getting a restoration as it needs it! Let's ask the obvious question... do YOU guys think I scored? 😀

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Post# 368720 , Reply# 1   3/19/2017 at 18:18 by FantomFan (Rochester, New York)        
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I saw that on CL because it was for sale in my city. For the price, it was a steal but I don't have time for machines like this that need considerable work/parts.

Post# 368721 , Reply# 2   3/19/2017 at 18:22 by Electroluxxxx (cortland, NY)        

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Hi Mitchell!!
It runs like it brand new and won't need too much thankfully! I do want to replace the rear wheels with the right ones unless they are supposed to be white than I'll replace the fronts but other than that it won't take much to restore 😀... too bad you weren't around I would have been happy to Meet you for lunch!


Post# 368723 , Reply# 3   3/19/2017 at 19:27 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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GREAT find!!! Can't wait to see photos of it after you restore it!!

 

Dark turquoise wheels and switch. The white one are replacements.

 

Here's a factory advertising sheet for the white/turquoise G. Note that it has a white hose with THREE rows of  turquoise tracers, the only model to have this special hose. Now who wouldn't give their left eyeball for one of those hoses!!


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Post# 369093 , Reply# 4   3/24/2017 at 15:05 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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Has anyone ever seen the hose in the advertisement above? I never have. The two white & turquoise Hospital Gs I have had in the past both had standard turquoise G hoses.


Post# 369103 , Reply# 5   3/24/2017 at 18:31 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I think you scored great! Those rear wheels will be tough in the turquoise...I've been down that road and they're bigger than the front...so you need the real rear wheels.

 

Rather than wait an eternity for that filter housing....I'd make some close-ups of the housing from the literature(or from a willing member)and have it fabricated by a metalsmith(I assume it's metal and not plastic? If it's plastic, 3D printing). Considering how much these go for restored, I think you'd be money ahead.

 

Kevin


Post# 369105 , Reply# 6   3/24/2017 at 18:56 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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All four of the wheels on the G (as well as all other models from the E-A onward) are the same size.


Post# 369109 , Reply# 7   3/24/2017 at 19:56 by vacuumlad1650 (North-East Illinois)        

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CRL
Actually, the front wheels are a bit smaller. I'll take out a measuring tape and measure mine when I get home.
Andy


Post# 369117 , Reply# 8   3/24/2017 at 22:31 by Electroluxxxx (cortland, NY)        

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Kevin I actually have a set of wheels for it and thanks! It runs as if it were serviced recently and I think once it's cleaned up I'll be using hepa bags in it. As far as the filter housing goes when one comes up I'll be prepared to start bidding as i want to keep it as original as possible :)

Post# 369121 , Reply# 9   3/25/2017 at 00:30 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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Andy, I have to respectfully disagree. The four wheels on the Model G are all identical. And they are the same exact wheels used on other models as I pointed out (E-A, F, G) with the exception of the decorative aluminum "hub caps." If you remove those caps you will see that.

 

Are you sure you have four model-G-specific, genuine Electrolux wheels?

 

(Note: I'm not talking about the small black swiveling caster or the smaller front wheels on the S, R & L.)


Post# 369129 , Reply# 10   3/25/2017 at 08:45 by Jayelux (Dallas, TX)        
G Wheels

Rear wheels on all my G's are larger because of a rubber coating on them, protecting the hard floors from the hard plastic. Front wheels which only touch carpet are not covered. So, technically you both are right. Same wheels, but rear wheels are covered making them larger.

Post# 369130 , Reply# 11   3/25/2017 at 09:31 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

Rear wheels on all my G's are larger because of a rubber coating on them, protecting the hard floors from the hard plastic. Front wheels which only touch carpet are not covered. So, technically you both are right. Same wheels, but rear wheels are covered making them larger.

 

Exactly so....thank you for the confirmation. I have four turquoise G's and they all have the rubberized, larger rear wheels. No doubt you can put the front wheels on the back, but that's not how they came. 

 

Kevin


Post# 369136 , Reply# 12   3/25/2017 at 09:52 by vacuumlad1650 (North-East Illinois)        

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And JayELux hits the nail on the head!
If you notice, the front wheels are mounted just as high off the floor on the canister, but they are smaller so they do not drag on the carpet. They are the same as the rear E-A and F wheels, and they act like the "Feet" on the model E and F. The rear wheels on a G are larger and rubber coated. If you put a replacement wheel on the rear, it sits uneven. Put that same replacement on an EA or F and it sits perfectly straight.
Just my 2-cents. Not trying to start a Vac War.
Andy


Post# 369140 , Reply# 13   3/25/2017 at 11:57 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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I concede to the eagle-eyed members here. I've seen many, many, many Model Gs over the years and never noticed that the rear wheels have a rubber covering on them, making them ever-so-slightly larger.

 

I just checked one of mine and, sure enough, there is a thin layer of rubber on the rear wheels. I never noticed that because the covering is very thin, maybe 1/16" thick - if that much - and barely observable.

 

Actually, the only real difference is that you can see a seam in the center of the rim of the front wheels whereas that seam is covered in the rear wheels by the thin rubber layer.

 

 


Post# 369145 , Reply# 14   3/25/2017 at 13:15 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

I only knew this myself about ten yrs ago. I had always thought they were the same. Playing with one of my dawgs, I did a virtual swan dive right on top of my best G. I broke all four wheels and couldn't find replacements readily. So I decided to epoxy all the bits back together very carefully and allowed them to cure a very long time. While doing the work, I noticed the difference in the wheels and the rubber texture on the back wheels. This was verified by a member here a few yrs later.

 

You don't even have to have 'eagle-eyes', the difference is pretty obvious if you make your eyes go back to front a few times. If you're not looking for any difference, your mind tells you they are the same....confabulation.

 

2.729" for the front and 2.897 for the rear. That's closest to 5/32nds in fractions, .168. I think if you carried that ratio up to car size, it would be significant and telling. And that's on worn wheels....don't know what the factory NOS diameters might be or if the rears wear more than the fronts etc.

 

Kevin

 

 

 


Post# 369177 , Reply# 15   3/25/2017 at 15:30 by Paul (MN)        

If no collectors/enthusiasts have seen the hose in person it was likely a prototype that was never mass-produced. It closely resembles the 50th Jubilee and early Super J hose's color scheme, except for the gold middle tracer it had and the pistol grip end introduced in late 1974.

Post# 369178 , Reply# 16   3/25/2017 at 15:36 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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Well, okay, if the rear wheels are five thirty-seconds of an inch larger than the front wheels, then, yes, they are indeed larger -- keeping in mind that that's five thirty-seconds of an inch -- just a hair more than one-eighth of an inch.

 

As the machines are used over the years, surely the rubber wears down. The rubber layer on the wheels of the machine I have at hand is paper-thin. I'd love sometime to see a brand-new set of wheels to see how thick the rubber on them is.


Post# 369179 , Reply# 17   3/25/2017 at 15:37 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        

A member here did a detailed Elux chart on the color hoses for what yrs....that might illustrate if the hose ever made production.

 

Kevin


Post# 369180 , Reply# 18   3/25/2017 at 15:43 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
A hair...

more than 1/8" of an inch, but you originally said 1/16" or less. Of course these measurements are all arbitrary on used machines; how many actual linear feet the machines were drug around and on what surfaces etc. Without some NOS wheels, we're all just guessing on the original diameters. But the point is, the diameters are indeed different and easy to see if your brain is looking for it. And I'm looking at four machines with correct wheels, but I only measured one set.

 

Kevin


Post# 369189 , Reply# 19   3/25/2017 at 16:19 by Paul (MN)        

The bone of contention seems to be the use of the word 'identical' to describe the Model G's front pairs and rear pairs of wheels. The correct word is 'similar'.

i∑den∑ti∑cal/ˌÓˈden(t)ək(ə)l/
adjective
alike in every detail; exactly the same.

sim∑i∑lar/ˈsim(ə)lər/
adjective
resembling without being identical.








Post# 369193 , Reply# 20   3/25/2017 at 16:53 by electrolux137 (Los Angeles, California)        

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No, in my eminent ignorance I meant "identical" -- before I became better informed.


Post# 369282 , Reply# 21   3/26/2017 at 17:53 by vacman1961 (North Babylon, New York)        

The front and rear wheels are identical on the model G, however the rear wheels have a rubber tire over the plastic wheel. Take a rear wheel off, carefully bend the 4 metal tabs on the back and remover the hubcap and now soak the wheel and tire in hot water and from the hubcap side get a small screwdriver and gently pull the rubber out from the center, than flip the wheel over and do the same from the back and the rubber tire will come off. I have transferred many rubber tires fro model G machines onto new plastic wheels. When the wheels were available from Electrolux they were basically model L wheels, they were plastic and had the 4 notches in them, so when a customer brought a model G into my store for a wheel, this is how I would replace them, I like to keep a machine as original as possible, so even when the replacement wheel was white, when you put the rubber tire on, you could hardly tell it was replaced.

Post# 369308 , Reply# 22   3/27/2017 at 11:41 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Very interesting......

I didn't realize you could actually remove the 'rubber cap'. Did Electrolux ever send just the rubber caps to dealers to 'recap' the rear wheels? Or was it always just the rear wheels as a replacement unit? They surely had different part #'s.........

 

Man, I would suspect those rubber 'recaps' today would be purely unobtainium to find/buy!

 

Kevin


Post# 369318 , Reply# 23   3/27/2017 at 14:04 by vacman1961 (North Babylon, New York)        

When the G wheels were available, they came complete with the rubber tire, hub cap and aluminum axel. The L wheels, which was also the replacement wheels for the front of the model G came only with the plastic wheel, you had to transfer the metal hubcap over. The rear axels from the L were unpeeled at the end, you had to put the wheel on, a washer, than gently peen the end of the shaft over to hold it on. Those were the days.

Post# 369370 , Reply# 24   3/27/2017 at 22:45 by Real1shep (Walla Walla, WA)        
Cool info

My only dislike of the G are the axle wheels...pretty delicate. They got the message though because by the time they got to the 1205, they were stout....lol.

 

Kevin





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