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Thread Number: 27072
/ Tag: Recent Vacuum Cleaners from past 20 years
Bosch Injunction Against Dyson & Energy Labels |
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| Post# 302777 10/23/2014 at 06:28 (3,472 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Taken from news report online:
Bosch has obtained two preliminary injunctions against Dyson over what it claims were ‘misleading’ declarations on EU energy labels. The models affected are the Dyson DC33c (pictured) and DC37c. Bosch claimed that, after testing them, it found discrepancies between the figures it obtained for dust collection on carpets and noise performance and those quoted on Dyson’s energy labels. Bosch said it had carried out tests on many of its competitors’ product after the new EU laws came into effect on September 1. It passed the Dyson cleaners to an independent test laboratory, which, Bosch claims, confirmed that the Dyson cleaners deviated from the values stated on the labels. Courts in Berlin and Cologne issued the preliminary injunctions, requiring Dyson to relabel the products in question by October 24 across all EU countries. The courts ruled that Dyson had “misled” consumers by infringing EU regulations. A Dyson spokesman told ERT that the company had appealed the decision and that it is not saying any more until the case has been heard in court. He added: “Dyson followed the EU regulations at the time of testing, however we believe aspects of Bosch’s testing did not. We stand by our tests, but will comply with the interim injunction, until the full case is heard.” CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 302778 , Reply# 1 10/23/2014 at 06:34 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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This is what I suspected. Hope the EU will come to a conclusion that manufacturers will have to send their xlraners to an independent laboratory for testing. You can't rely on the manufacte. | ||
| Post# 302781 , Reply# 2 10/23/2014 at 06:37 (3,472 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 302782 , Reply# 3 10/23/2014 at 06:37 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Will Dyson now be sending Bosch cleaners for testing? Haha | ||
| Post# 302783 , Reply# 4 10/23/2014 at 06:38 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Yes I completely agree. It's a farce. But it's what you'd expect from the EU! | ||
| Post# 302784 , Reply# 5 10/23/2014 at 06:41 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Looks like Sebo and Miele have been more honest with their ratings than other manufacturers | ||
| Post# 302785 , Reply# 6 10/23/2014 at 06:46 (3,472 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302786 , Reply# 7 10/23/2014 at 06:57 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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It's a good thing though cause there's only one way it can now. A standardised independent test. Otherwise there's just going to be endless claims and counter claims from each manufacturer. | ||
| Post# 302798 , Reply# 8 10/23/2014 at 11:05 (3,472 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
 The EU testing is similar to CRI in the US, except tht CRI uses an indepedent lab for vacuum testing.
www.carpet-rug.org/CRI-Testing-Pr...
And
www.carpet-rug.org/CRI-Testing-Pr... | ||
| Post# 302804 , Reply# 9 10/23/2014 at 11:21 (3,472 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Actually no, Stan - cast your mind back to the archive thread when we went head to head over CRI before. (Link to archive thread).
All CRI test is carpet performance - EU law tests on motor rating, carpet pick up, hard pick up, emissions, filtration, noise level and power used per year on usage. CLICK HERE TO GO TO sebo_fan's LINK | ||
| Post# 302807 , Reply# 10 10/23/2014 at 11:57 (3,472 days old) by sptyks (Skowhegan, Maine) | ||
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Well Nar, I don't want to repeat our argument of last year concerning CRI. We are each entitled to our own opinion.
But, however you look at it, CRI's testing is not cheap. It costs money to perform those tests, so if a manufacturer wants to have their vacuum tested by CRI, then they will need to pay for the cost of those tests.
I'm sure there has to be a good explanation of why the Sebo and Windsor got different results if those vacuums were indeed identical in every way. Keep in mind the Windsor is sold as a commercial vacuum so the tests may different for the two machines. Sebo was probably tested on household types of carpet and Windsor tested on commercial carpet, etc. This could cause the results to be different.
This makes perfect sense to me, so that's all I have to say about CRI. | ||
| Post# 302808 , Reply# 11 10/23/2014 at 12:26 (3,472 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 302809 , Reply# 12 10/23/2014 at 12:26 (3,472 days old) by oliveoiltinfoil (England, UK) | ||
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| Post# 302811 , Reply# 14 10/23/2014 at 12:49 (3,472 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Even Which who get funding from subscribers I'm not convinced by. They shouldn't need back handers but their biased towards Miele makes me wonder Plus a lot of their test results just don't make sense. Bit of incompetence going on there too :-) | ||
| Post# 302843 , Reply# 15 10/23/2014 at 18:41 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 302844 , Reply# 16 10/23/2014 at 18:45 (3,472 days old) by vintagerepairer (England) | ||
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"I guess Dyson DOES do getting sued" We shall have to see what the outcome is. If Bosch wins, this will be a first for Dyson. Personally, I don't think they will. However, I couldn't care less if I am proven wrong. | ||
| Post# 302845 , Reply# 17 10/23/2014 at 18:49 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 302853 , Reply# 19 10/23/2014 at 19:27 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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LOL, thanks! I try!
true, Dyson does little to be sued. They're the ones who are copied, since when do they copy designs (Probably have, but can't think of one off the top of my head). However, making big claims like "Twice the suction of ANY vacuum" is ridiculous, and impossible to prove unless it was tested against one of every vacuum since the beginning of time! | ||
| Post# 302857 , Reply# 20 10/23/2014 at 19:36 (3,472 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 302863 , Reply# 22 10/23/2014 at 19:56 (3,472 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 302866 , Reply# 24 10/23/2014 at 20:07 (3,472 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 303727 , Reply# 26 10/30/2014 at 12:48 (3,465 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Just curious, slightly off topic, but Is your house Victorian? Mine is as it was built in 1894 :) I like these types of homes better as they are kinda bigger than homes built today in the UK | ||
| Post# 303779 , Reply# 28 10/30/2014 at 19:31 (3,465 days old) by super-sweeper (KSSRC Refurbishment Center) | ||
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| Post# 303868 , Reply# 29 10/31/2014 at 11:16 (3,464 days old) by mk202 () | ||
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WinBot Does anyone know anything about these WinBot machines?
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| Post# 303887 , Reply# 30 10/31/2014 at 14:56 (3,464 days old) by parwaz786 ( ) | ||
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Thanks, and cool As for my house, yeah its nice and quite a busy area but is also kind of a rough area too, but I have been living here all my life and it feels like home despite that :) | ||
| Post# 304047 , Reply# 33 11/1/2014 at 16:30 (3,463 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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But central heating can dry the air it's true Ask an ear nose and throat consultant. He will tell you central heating dries the air and can affect the lining of the nose. The mucous membranes. | ||
| Post# 304048 , Reply# 34 11/1/2014 at 16:33 (3,463 days old) by Marks_here (_._) | ||
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| Post# 304163 , Reply# 37 11/2/2014 at 08:10 (3,462 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 304164 , Reply# 38 11/2/2014 at 08:14 (3,462 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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No but dry air is not good for your sinuses or lungs. So a humidity monitor is a good thing to have I think. | ||
| Post# 304169 , Reply# 39 11/2/2014 at 08:27 (3,462 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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I think it depends on where you live, what you yourself requires and in what kind of region your home is situated in.
Where I am in Scotland, we live in a very naturally damp region, so having a humidifier is eliminated unless you might own a musical instrument like a piano (like i do) or anything made out of wood that needs a certain degree of moisture. But then I'm also in the country, away from towns with pollution and in general air and water here is normally very clean and clear. But therein, having too much moisture in homes can lead to health problems as well as mildew and mould. It's not easy to pinpoint if a home is either too damp or dry even if there is unwanted structural condensation. In short, the health problems that relate to dryness or a home being too damp with air is nothing compared to the breathing difficulties caused by dust. Dust can aggravate heart and lung problems as well as of course breathing problems, asthma and also damage the lungs. | ||
| Post# 304170 , Reply# 40 11/2/2014 at 08:32 (3,462 days old) by marcusprit () | ||
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Oh yes without a doubt. I have a Blueair air filter in my home it does a fantastic job of clearing the air. | ||
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