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New Vax Zoom Upright (Argos Exclusive) Review & Pics
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Post# 244626   8/9/2013 at 06:46 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Well, I had to have one in the end, and having not bought a new vac for a while I went out and bought 3 in the last few days. Having seen the new Zoom range in the Argos book, and the lovely colours they come in, I decided to go for the Pink one, as I don't have any Pink vacs yet.

Its not a bad vac and seems well made for the price paid of £69.99.

I wanted a couple of examples of budget bagless vacs for the collection and this one uses the same filtration method used in the Vax Power canister range - ie an inner cyclone that throws the dirt out into the main container.

I was also surprised that its quite quiet in use and even has a soft start motor which not many sub £100 uprights have these days.

It picks up well, but is slightly heavy to push along due to the suction power at the main head. This has a 1800W motor and 260 Air watts. I'm quite impressed with it for the price, and although the Zoom gets a few negative reviews on Argos website, I'm going to reserve judgement till its been used  few months and I've seen how often the top filter gets clogged.

 

Here it is anyway - the front view:

 




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Post# 244627 , Reply# 1   8/9/2013 at 06:47 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Side view:


Post# 244628 , Reply# 2   8/9/2013 at 06:48 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The base of the vac shows a good brushroll with stiff bristles which make a good job of brushing the pile, but the selector dial needs to be on the lowest setting for short pile carpets. It is no harder to push than a Turbopower or an old type Kirby without tech drive, but nevertheless it does take some effort to push when going against the pile of the carpet. Brushroll view:




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Post# 244631 , Reply# 3   8/9/2013 at 06:49 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Showing the washable Hepa top filter, which is a thick sponge filter much like the Mach Air range and Power 5,6 and 7 Canister range

The dirt enters the main cylinder at the top and then gets directed into a small cyclone chamber (Primary Separator) from the bottom, where there is a perforated central suction shroud in the centre. The dirt then spins round this chamber and exits at the top of it where it gets flung out into the main canister, and out of the main airstream. Only the finer dust will get sucked into the shroud and then get captured by the top filter above the shroud. This design of separator was first seen on the Vax Power canister range, and whilst only a single cyclonic, its actually fairly effective, but not as effective as a multi-cyclone setup - meaning that the top filter will need washing more often.

The canister lid features a bypass valve that opens and makes a loud noise should the airflow be impeded to much by a clogged filter - this also helps to ensure that the motor gets some airflow for cooling and lets the user know that the filter is clogged:




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Post# 244632 , Reply# 4   8/9/2013 at 06:50 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

That's the pets model which in the flesh looks really good, except I asked about it & was said that it was not that good. It looks quite cool though. Is it noisy or anything?

Post# 244633 , Reply# 5   8/9/2013 at 06:50 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Here is the exhaust filter which is also a sponge filter, but a thick one that seems to silence the motor quite well. It makes a good sound and with soft start sounds like a Miele at startup:


Post# 244634 , Reply# 6   8/9/2013 at 06:54 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The rear view showing the stretch hose which stretches to about 3 metres. Not bad quality and it uses the removeable handle as an extension wand. The hose locks into the end of the handle better than  the Mach air 3 models by pushing in and twisting like a bayonet fitting.

It has the standard combi crevice tool but this does not store on the vac however.

The cord is 8 Metres which is not bad for a £70 budget vac - but the cord does exit from the base and there is no cord hook on the top of the handle either, so the cord is best put round the front of the handle when in use. This is a real gripe of mine that Vax and Hoover still insist on putting the cord exit at the base of the machine instead of on the handle like Sebo and Miele do.

Of course, you can run the cable up the back and secure it on the cord hook (If the vac has one), but this means losing a metre of flex and on a machine with only 6 metres of cable this is a pain.

 

The On/Off switch is mounted on top of the bin housing and operates the main switch in the bas of the vac by means of an internal pushrod - this method is also used on the Vax Mach Air3 Agile and the Vax Mach 9 uprights.




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Post# 244636 , Reply# 7   8/9/2013 at 06:58 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Hmmmm, I do like the look of them, but am going to get a Hotpoint Cylinder first.

Post# 244643 , Reply# 8   8/9/2013 at 07:21 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The pictures in the Argos book or on the website don't do it much justice - it looks really good in the flesh and the pink colour is very vivid, so its not really a good choice for a straight bloke to use lol.

The box says its for "busy mums" so this vac is clearly aimed at women, but with it being a bit on the heavy side to push along, a good many women might think that this is a drawback, and raise the head too high to make it easier to push, but then it reduces the performance.

I think the best feature is the motor soft start and gentle speed up to full power - that's gonna help preserve the carbon brushes and the motor in general.

The handle also features an extension tube in pink built into the inside of it that you pull out.

A great cleaner and very cool colour. The green one is cool too, and they also come in royal blue and in purple.

Many reviewers comment on the shoddy manufacture of the Zoom range, and this is really something that Vax will need to get sorted, or more people will not buy a Vax again. Silly things like pivot joints too stiff and quality control issues, but get a good one and this vac is recommended by me!

 

The packaging "For busy mums":


Post# 244644 , Reply# 9   8/9/2013 at 07:30 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

When I first saw it I thought that it was perfect for someone who never uses the tools as they don't store on the machine, but the Argos pics look like it's been animated as they don't look real. Might add one to my collection.

Post# 244645 , Reply# 10   8/9/2013 at 07:32 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Showing the power switch on top of the canister housing:


Post# 244646 , Reply# 11   8/9/2013 at 07:33 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Showing the handle removed from the machine with the extension in pink inside it:


Post# 244647 , Reply# 12   8/9/2013 at 07:35 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Here we see the hose cuff inserted into the handle end and secured by twisting it to engage the securing lug, so that the hose doesn't get pulled off easily like on the Vax Mach Air and Air3 range. A much better idea Vax - I'm liking it!


Post# 244649 , Reply# 13   8/9/2013 at 07:37 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

And here we see the whole wand and extension attached with the turbo tool on the end. A very good design this is and hats off to vax for improving the Air and air 3 design which was very poor in my opinon:


Post# 244650 , Reply# 14   8/9/2013 at 07:40 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The turbo tool even has the lint pickers on it. This is the only turbo tool I have seen to include these (and I have quite a few turbo tools lol)


Post# 244653 , Reply# 15   8/9/2013 at 07:44 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Vax really have thought about this cleaner! Thanks for the pics!

Post# 244698 , Reply# 16   8/9/2013 at 11:22 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I see from another thread you were thinking of getting one of these anyway - does this review help you decide? Its also no harder to push than the Turbopower multi-cyclonic ( I have one of these as well) but considerably cheaper, although its not multi-cyclonic. Even so, the top filter is the only filter you need to wash - just as in the Hoover Turbopower.


Post# 244846 , Reply# 17   8/9/2013 at 15:27 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Yes madabouthoovers this helps. I was told basically it would clog, overheat etc. as they're 2200w, but they are 1800w, & hopefully not too noisy. I would have the purple one, the reach model but it's full price now. There is the Family/Pets model which is the blue model but the price attracted it to me, the same as a reconditioned Hoover Turbo Power.

Post# 244880 , Reply# 18   8/9/2013 at 17:41 (3,912 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)        
I was told basically it would clog, overheat etc.

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It will. It's still a low efficiency, direct filter cycle but cleverly covered by a plastic shroud with holes in it.

If you're going to go bagless, make sure you buy a cleaner that offers "No Loss Of Suction", such a Vax Mach, Hoover Turbo Power, Morphy Richards Lift Away and, of course, Dyson.


Post# 244886 , Reply# 19   8/9/2013 at 18:09 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

i don't know yet, buying a Hotpoint one first.

Post# 244930 , Reply# 20   8/9/2013 at 21:53 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Certainly from the handle point of view for the hose, its a dead cert version used on the Vax Mach Air. Nice model though I knew you couldn't resist!

I was looking at Wikos site online last night and they are selling a £70 Vax "Exclusive" in the form of the white "Power" upright known as the "Naked Truth." I couldn't believe it - what a name to give a bagless Vax budget upright! It won't be the Naked Truth when it starts to clog up though!

Also the Pink Zoom upright is also on sale at Homebase, Argos company. It will also sell on Amazon UK no doubt.



Post# 244935 , Reply# 21   8/9/2013 at 22:07 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well there's a new-ish Russell Hobbs upright vacuum, no loss of suction on Amazon UK. It is purple, not pink though : )



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Post# 245005 , Reply# 22   8/10/2013 at 13:59 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

It's exactly the same as the Vax White Upright - Sebo_Fan, just another name they use.

Post# 245012 , Reply# 23   8/10/2013 at 15:08 (3,911 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        
It's a Vax! - I think i'm going to be sick.

No offense or anything but i don't really like Vax machines. I feel that there are too cheaply built and are horrible to look at.

Not to mention that Vax have copied Dyson on several occasions (not in this machine, but in others). And, as a Die Hard Dyson fanatic since the DC01 i find it disgusting what Vax do.

As a designer myself i can already see some design flaws. That wand and hose system, and the fact it's hard to push (which you pointed out already). Also the plastic looks way too thin, drop that thing from a metre and it will smash into a million pieces. Looks like it relies on filters as well, which means it will be highly inefficient.

Sorry, just had to get my point out. I could ramble on forever, but i'm not going to for once!


Post# 245018 , Reply# 24   8/10/2013 at 15:43 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I used to have quite a few DC01's - they were my favourite Dyson uprights as well as the DC04 but I stopped after that.

Well, the GOOD thing about Vax is that because they're cheap and well priced, they suit a lot of buyers - and mostly judged by the reviews online, a lot who tend to get turned off when the Vax starts to clog and can be expensive to maintain - then turn to Dyson. I mean, I hardly think a purple Zoom priced at nearly £200 that Amazon UK now lists will find that many buyers.

I've often thought that Dyson should do an economical upright that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to purchase. I don't think it would dull the image of this design led company and I for one would consider it - but I can't abide the expensive prices of the Dyson range in general. They can do a £100 vacuum cleaner but they're leaving it up to the likes of other brands who are churning out the Dual Cyclone patents to fill that market pricing.


Post# 245047 , Reply# 25   8/10/2013 at 18:05 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well I downloaded both manuals for the White upright and the Zoom. They may share similar design and tools but the Zoom looks like it has a more elaborate filter system to clean.



Post# 245048 , Reply# 26   8/10/2013 at 18:06 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Pic 2 - The white upright seems to have the more old fashioned HEPA paper pleated cone hidden under the plastic mesh shroud cover.



Post# 245120 , Reply# 27   8/11/2013 at 05:46 (3,911 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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Steve I'm sure you said on my Mach Air Cylinder thread that you weren't buying anymore Vax machines haha :p

Not sure about the colour would of liked to have seen the purple or green ones though, I was intrigued about these so thanks for the pictures.

Dan




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Post# 245126 , Reply# 28   8/11/2013 at 07:13 (3,911 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Yes Dan - I know, but you know how it is, when that nagging feeling wont go away, and I was intrigued by the zoom as well, as there's not much info on it on the net, as its a fairly new model and only available from Argos as well. It was a toss up between the apple green model or the blancmange pink one, and I got some funny looks in Argos as well when I carried the cleaner away from the counter. I bet Elton John and Julian Clary have got pink vacuums lol

I just love different looking vacs, and even bought a Henry in yellow, just to be different, as they are much less common than red Henrys.

A pink vac will always be a talking point, and in the future, it will be more in demand than a bog standard boring coloured vac. That's one reason why I liked early Dysons, which came in lurid colours - especially the deStijl models, and I think Dysons nowadays are a bit bland and non-descript. Look how sought after the DC02 and DC03 Clear models are now - mainly because of the colour schemes used.

The Pink Zoom in my opinion is the best one of the bunch, with the green one second best, and I may even get a green one too, as they are a good price.


Post# 245134 , Reply# 29   8/11/2013 at 08:04 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I know what Steve means - I'm the same - I said I would never buy bagless again and there I went and bought another Hoover Slalom. Find it a lot better in the hand in terms of quality than the Vax Air3 Agile and yes I still have to put up with the suction plate on the base - but do you know what - the Slalom isn't rough on my wool carpets and that's a good thing for a "modern" bagless upright.

Post# 245139 , Reply# 30   8/11/2013 at 08:19 (3,911 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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I know the feeling Steve lol but I've been so impressed with this new found self discipline I seem to have developed thats stopped me buying a new vacuum for ages now everytime I'm about to do it I can talk myself out of it :o Although that TOL AEG UltraOne in Chocolate Brown keeps bloody asking me to buy it haha

Dan


Post# 245141 , Reply# 31   8/11/2013 at 08:50 (3,911 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was going to get that TOL Ultra One in brown with the power nozzle but after reading reviews that it was not very reliable and the fact that the remote handle sends spurious signals to the main unit to keep switching itself off, I have decided against it. The problem with power nozzles is that they use a cable that runs the length of the hose, and then have the connections down the adjustable wand that develop faults. They are nice when new, but do seem to be very expensive to put right when they go wrong.

This may be one reason why Miele discontinued the Revolution models in the UK - they were expensive and also expensive to replace the hoses on if the internal wiring to the power nozzle got damaged.

The other model that didn't get a good write up was the Wertheim, and that's a very badly made vac, so steer clear of them as well.

 


Post# 245241 , Reply# 32   8/11/2013 at 17:21 (3,910 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)        

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I had the Electrolux TwinClean that used a very similar powerhead (no supprise as same company) and it was fine for a couple of years then started working intermittently but to be fair to it, it was used daily as it was such a good machine wish I'd kept it new and boxed away now! I've been chatting to a very nice guy on YouTube who has the TOL UltraOne and hes had his for a while now and has not had any problems. Plus I wouldn't use it much as would want to keep it in a nice new condition I see it's gone from Currys now so wonder if its been discontinued John Lewis still have but at £299 there's no way I'm paying that!!!!

Post# 245350 , Reply# 33   8/12/2013 at 10:33 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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That's precisely why Im keeping my Electrolux Excellio Super Silence Z5045 in the box.

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Post# 247296 , Reply# 34   8/23/2013 at 06:38 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Update:

Having used the Zoom every other day since buying it, I have still been impressed with it.

The issue with the effort required to push it around can be solved by lifting the head to the position in between the lowest and second lowest mark on the dial:




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Post# 247297 , Reply# 35   8/23/2013 at 06:40 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The bin is massive on this model and as it gets used, the dirt mainly goes into the bin rather than the filter - you can see how it sticks to the exterior of the primary separator:


Post# 247298 , Reply# 36   8/23/2013 at 06:43 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

It has a fairly efficient separator, so that the only dirt to reach the filter is the very fine dust, and a few hairs from the cat. Suction has not fallen at all, even though the filter has started to show a build up of dust. I would think that the best idea with this model would be to clean the filter after every bin empty, even though Vax recommend to do it after every 3 months - this all depends on how much and how often the vac gets used.

Filter and housing:


Post# 247299 , Reply# 37   8/23/2013 at 06:46 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

Much of the heavy dirt falls to the bottom of the large canister, and simply spins round the base when in operation. This is very impressive for a single cyclone model, and knocks many multi-cyclone models into a cocked hat when you look at the space for the dirt in this canister compared to a multi-cyclonic one where most of the bin is taken up with the cyclone assembly so leaving hardly any room for the dirt itself.

 


Post# 247300 , Reply# 38   8/23/2013 at 06:50 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I do find though that when using the turbo tool, the hose is under a lot of vacuum, so tends to recoil and be hard to stretch out - much like the Dyson models. Because the brush roll turns all the time, if I pull on the hose too much, the vac head pulls down at the front and can leave a scorch mark on the carpet - even with the brushes in the highest position. This happens with the Sebo X4  as well, so its best to hold the handle of the vac when using the tools for upholstery, and make sure that the brushroll does not scorch the carpet.

All in all though - I'm very impressed with this cheap vac and its a lot better than the old Power model series uprights.

 

Another point - an earlier post talked about the power rating of the Zoom. The range has 4 models, and they have different power ratings, The Green base model and the pink Pet model use 1800W motors, the purple "Reach" model uses a 2000W motor, and the range topping blue "Pets and Family" model uses a 2100W motor developing 300AW.

I don't know why Vax decided top use differing motor power for the various models, but I'd imagine that the 2100W motor would make the blue model very hard to push round on a carpet if the height selector was in the wrong position.

With this range of vacs, the key is in the height selector - even though there are no markings on it in the intermediate positions, you can still use them - they are midway between the markings, as shown on my above picture.

The Head is a sealed suction type with no bleed paths, so full suction power is drawn through the carpet - this means that head height is critical - too low and the vac will be very hard to push, and too high will make it easy to push but will considerably reduce performance. The midway positions are better for short pile carpet.




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Post# 247321 , Reply# 39   8/23/2013 at 10:25 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Personally speaking I think you should forward your excellent analysis to Vax. Clearly if that setting " in between " the height adjustment dial is a better match, Vax should be made aware of it so that they can add that to the next batch.

Miele's S4 series - my favourite all time Miele vacuum - had a "secret" setting of power increase between the 3rd and 4th setting, but they never gave that a proper setting of its own. I used that setting for increased suction without ever having to use the next three preset settings to the end. The S6 doesn't seem to have that though.


Post# 247325 , Reply# 40   8/23/2013 at 10:48 (3,899 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Does this Zoom sound like a Mach Air Upright or something similar? As I want to get one now.

Post# 247326 , Reply# 41   8/23/2013 at 11:09 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I was quite amazed at the way it does sound when in operation. When you turn it on, it starts off slowly then ramps up smoothly to full power - known as "soft start". This feature is normally only found on premium brands like Miele, who use it on most of their models. It saves wear on the motor and carbon brushes and cuts out the initial bright sparking of the brushes on the commutator, found on motors that don't use the soft start feature. On the Air3 Agile, the motor goes to full power as soon as its switched on, and you can observe 2 bright flashes from the brushes through the casing on immediate startup.

The Vax Zoom seems to sound like a flymo hover mower when running, a very different sound than I am used to for a budget vac.

Its not too loud either and quite a pleasant sound, without the high pitched scream of the Dyson DC07.

When lifting the front off the ground, you do get a rattle from the pile adjustment wheels, but otherwise its a very nice sounding vac. What also helps is that the exhaust filter is a thick round foam pad, that helps absorb motor noise, like a car exhaust silencer.

Compared to the Hoover whirlwind, this is a lot quieter. It is not as quiet as the Vax Mach Air though - you have to remember that the Mach Air uses a 1200W motor, so obviously it will run quieter. However, normally the Mach Air is much dearer to buy than the Zoom, and uses twin motors for brush and suction.

I have written my assessment on the Zoom based on the fact that it is one of the cheapest uprights that Argos sells, and for its price, its very good value.


Post# 247331 , Reply# 42   8/23/2013 at 11:29 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Actually Steve, 'soft start' can be found on a lot of budget vacuums too - Electrolux Powerplus cylinder vacs have had them from the start when they were launched and the model I had before them, the Boss B4105 and B4111 vacuums (also sold under Swan branding in the catalogues at that point in history and in the U.S under the Eureka tag) also had soft start.

I must point out though (from my experience) that just because a vacuum cleaner has a higher motor doesn't necessarily mean it is louder. It depends on the design and what intentions the company have added as to sound proofing, or just the basic design of how the motor has been positioned. How, can for example, an Oreck XL at 350 watts sound louder than a Hoover Junior with the identical power? It has little to do with the higher power output, but more to do with the insulation and general design.

Now that my Vax Mach Air is gone and I have the Hoover Slalom in its place, I find the 1200 watt motor on the Hoover to be quieter than the Vax Mach Air. I recall that not only was the motor noisy on the Vax Mach Air (okay it had 100 watts more) but you also had to put up with the motor that drove the brush roll as well. This is far more apparent when switching the brush roll on/off and though the Slalom also features that function, it is a little bit quieter.


Post# 247334 , Reply# 43   8/23/2013 at 11:39 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Soft start

The soft start feature is available on more cylinder vacs I agree, but on uprights, its quite rare to find, even the Sebo X4 doesn't have it, while the Miele S7 does.

Remember that many cylinder vacs have power adjustment dials, and electronic motor speed control, so are able to include soft start. The Power 6 cylinder I have also has soft start, and electronic motor speed control.

I was really talking about soft start on uprights, as the Zoom and the S7 are the only 2 uprights I have that have it fitted. All the other uprights I have start up straight away on immediate full power, the only exceptions being the Sanyo, and the Electrolux 560, which have a speed selector control.


Post# 247354 , Reply# 44   8/23/2013 at 13:25 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Thing is though, I don't think that it matters to be honest with fixed suction machines. Granted the Miele S7 has it because it has variable suction. That would stand to reason. What is more important is that the machine itself is built well enough to sustain dust entering the motor. Whilst the Zoom is undoubtedly a budget vacuum, it remains to be seen whether it can last the duration or above expectation of say, five or more years dependent on what it is required to clean up after.

I had a fantastic "Dirt Devil" based Vax Upright Dynammite based upright - the Quick Lite V-045. I didn't expect it to last any more than 2 to 3 years. It was very noisy but did the job although had that horrid paper pleated cone filter and the vacuum cleaner itself lasted for about 10 years with three paper cone replacements before the motor started to show signs of breaking down. The motor wasn't completely sealed but it was well made despite being a cheap price to buy. Generally most were put off by the model as it was an upright only and didn't come with a hose. But then, it didn't have soft start, it was just well maintained.



Post# 247906 , Reply# 45   8/27/2013 at 07:50 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Here's another Vax with a different colour scheme, the Power VX Pet for £69, quite good especially as it has Cord Rewind.

Post# 247907 , Reply# 46   8/27/2013 at 07:55 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Link;

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Post# 247911 , Reply# 47   8/27/2013 at 09:35 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        
One has to be very careful with product info..

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Yet in the same website there's a Power U89 P2 listed with a claimed "10 metre cable" but the stats say 7.5 metres..

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Post# 247913 , Reply# 48   8/27/2013 at 09:46 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry to burst your bubble - just checked Vax website. For the Power VX Pet sold at Tesco, goes under the name of Vax U87-PVX-P It does NOT come with an auto cord rewind. See photo taken from the user manual:



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Post# 247914 , Reply# 49   8/27/2013 at 09:50 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Oh right - that's what it said on TESCO.

Post# 247915 , Reply# 50   8/27/2013 at 09:56 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sadly supermarkets and franchises like Currys - all those sellers can't be fully trusted. Sometimes it works in the consumers favour. Yesterday I saw a Miele "S2" parading about on the Internet on a site that showed a photo of the S8! In store if you were to order it, you could easily demand you want the product as shown or threaten to report to trading standards.

Post# 247944 , Reply# 51   8/27/2013 at 14:32 (3,895 days old) by RootCyclone (East Midlands,UK.)        
Hmmm.

On second thoughts, for the price point this cleaner isn't bad. I'd be interested to have one myself to see how it would perform. Same with the Zoom Cylinder models and plain White models which they call 'Naked'

How does this machine do? I'm not a big fan of Vax, but I won't purchase products that they copied form Dyson. The Zoom seems like they designed it themselves, and that's good!


Post# 247969 , Reply# 52   8/27/2013 at 18:06 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

It is good but this is single cyclone & companies like Hoover & Vax are filling in the market place with cleaners that work like a Dyson for a fraction of the price.

At least Hoover & Vax are making good Cyclonic cleaners now unlike what they were a few years ago which rely heavily on filters.

You could essentialy call a Hoover or Vax Multi Cyclonic the 'Poor Mans Dyson' bu TBH the Hoover Airvolution is really good for seperating dirt from air.

Dysons were really taking off around 1996 - like Argos said at the time; every 1 in 5 Upright sold is a Dyson so other vacuum companies felt they had to stand up to the competition. All Vacuum companies nick each others ideas such as Autosense on the Hoover Turbopower range, Panasonic borrowed that for their Icon cleaners etc.


Post# 247970 , Reply# 53   8/27/2013 at 18:36 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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But the thing is Hi-lo, Hoover aren't any better than Vax - they're still the same designs where filter dust capture is concerned, whether Hoover wants to call it Airvolution or whatever- yes, there are SOME differences of how the cyclones are arranged, but end of the day you still have 2 filters to clean or more. No surprise already that the suction on my Slalom is already shortening out because the top foam filter is really badly caked in dirt. In time we'll see - but really, having a Dyson is better on the filters - they're far more modern and don't require as much cleaning.

Also until Dyson and other bagless brands jumped on the bandwagon, as consumers we weren't really taught on how dust was captured, but rather the power and design of other elements that contributed to pick up or performance. Frankly I couldn't give a monkeys on how dirt is captured - but I do worry about what the brush roll is like or weight I have to push and pull is like.


Post# 248013 , Reply# 54   8/28/2013 at 02:21 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I wasn't saying any different Sebo_fan about Hoover & Vax, however Vax are the No.1 Best Selling Floorcare Brand in the UK, they took over Dyson as Vax produce machines which suit all budgets & they can be bought everywhere, for example in my local TESCO has a load of Vaxes & a Few Hoovers to compare.

Say I had a Vax Zoom for example as my Daily Cleaner, I would just wash the top filter once a week or once every 2 weeks, but Vax & Hoover are just producing Bagless Machines that suit the people who can't afford a Dyson. A Dyson dosen't need as much Filter Cleaning, yes but many won't buy a Dyson if there are machines that are as good according to reviews, say on Ciao or Dooyoo for example.


Post# 248016 , Reply# 55   8/28/2013 at 04:05 (3,894 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The top filter on the Zoom does get dusty quicker than  a Dyson multi-cyclone, yes, but what great hardship is it to wash it in the sink each time the bin gets emptied and leave it to dry for 24 hours? You could even get a spare filter kit so you can still use the vac while the filter is drying. There is no hard and fast rule that says that you even have to wash it every empty - you can whack it on the inside of the bin to get rid of the dust, and maybe wash it once a month.

Either way, you are paying a very small amount of money for a nice vac, but the reason it is cheap is because you still need to help the vac out by cleaning its filter more often than on a Dyson - but for the luxury of not having to wash the filter each month, you pay 5 times more for the privilege.

Nowadays, most bagless vacs incorporate some kind of blockage relief valve, which sucks air in if the filter is clogged to a serious extent, and this makes a noise, so in effect it lets the user know there is a blockage, and allows the motor some cooling air through flow.


Post# 248019 , Reply# 56   8/28/2013 at 04:31 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Exactly, why pay 5x more for a vacuum that you don't have to wash filters so often but I can't believe that Argos have the DC41 at £409.99 & it gets 5 star ratings!

Reviews on the DC41 people keep saying about the Long 9.4m cord, well buy a Vax Zoom & you get a longer cord, or a Hoover Turbo Power & get a 12.5m cord!

Like someone said on here - people don't want to know how a Dyson works, people just want a Vacuum that has the word 'Dyson' on it & suddenly they feel all special & that no other Vacuum compares to it. You read reviews on lots of Vacuums such as Panasonic Bagged Uprights for example & they say, 'Well after 10 years of Dyson's breaking on me...'


Post# 248023 , Reply# 57   8/28/2013 at 06:38 (3,894 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

The DC41 is a VERY overpriced vacuum, I went to see one in Currys, and had a play with it. I think the handle and spine is very flimsy and pliable - because Dysons no longer use metal poles like on the DC07 and DC14, there is no strength in the spine of the cleaner and that's why its so weak. I think more of the body is made of this type of plastic now as the old type of ABS they used to use to make Dysons was brittle and fragile, but at least it was sturdy. The DC07 was a fantastically sturdy vac and very strong, but did suffer when older from plastic bits snapping off. The pre-motor filter on newer Dysons - especially the smaller ones seems to need more frequent cleaning too; on the DC07 they said clean it every 6 months, but on the DC24 I'm sure its every month, so it seems a backward step.

Dysons ARE fashion accessories, Vax Zoom's are cheap and cheerful couple of year workers. but for those who appreciate REAL quality, that lasts and lasts and lasts then its got to be a Kirby - second hand they are a bargain, and its not unusual for them to still be working after 30 years of hard work. How many Dysons could boast a 30 year life span? Yes - Kirbys are expensive too - but when you work out the cost over 20 years, and buy one second hand for say, £200 - £400, that's £20 a year, plus bags and belts and the occasional brushroll and motor carbons. This one is 32 years old and does a better job of cleaning carpets than a Dyson DC41:


Post# 248027 , Reply# 58   8/28/2013 at 07:03 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I was given a Kirby G4 80th Anniversary & bought a Legend II for £20 off the carboot, do agree that they WILL go the distance but I don't think I could get used to one.

I'm going to buy a Zoom, don't know which one yet but an Upright as I'm focusing on Cylinders now & just having a cheap Upright that I can use for a change.

Having a look at Dysons whenever I do go to Currys etc. they do look really poor quality, from Vax you CAN expect it if you're looking at Bottom End of their range, same with Hoover, but not from the most expensive Dyson in Argos.


Post# 248030 , Reply# 59   8/28/2013 at 07:50 (3,894 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        

I have to say that the Zoom is quite well built for a cheapo Vax - surprisingly better than the old Power series uprights and Centrix etc, which were a bag of **** !

The real beauty of the Zoom is that the canister is so easy to take apart, and the swirl chamber just pulls out of the top for total cleaning - it will never smell, unlike a Dyson, who say that you cant immerse the cyclone assembly in water or clean it, so that the inner cyclone assembly gets caked in smelly dirt, just like this one:

I don't think some people realise that when they empty the bin on a Dyson, all this crap stays behind, to smell and fester in the cyclone assembly!


Post# 248038 , Reply# 60   8/28/2013 at 08:59 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

That's exactly what I found when I Steamed my DC04, I steamed the opening & through all the holes shot out bits of dirt, yuk! You can wash the Cyclone system in the Vax Mach Air though.

Post# 248041 , Reply# 61   8/28/2013 at 09:13 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Sorry guys but you're comparing apples to eggs here - especially more so comparing an old DC04 to a more modern cheaper priced alternative. I bet none of you would be boosting the appeal of these old "Dual Cyclone" types if the list prices were expensive to buy! It is easy to fall into that trap when comparing low-price value budget with premium. 'Happens all the time, not just with vacuums but other household appliances.

"Best selling," is also market spin advertising promotion words - look at Hoover - they're always suggesting that the Hoover Purepower is the " best selling upright " yet I bet Panasonic sell more of their bagged uprights - why else do the company keep them in production for sale in the UK?

Thirdly, yes, as collectors we can swing in roundabouts glossing over how good or bad the Dyson design is and this and that - all the other brands HAVE to play second fiddle to Dyson as they don't have the same cyclone patent as the current Dyson vacs - one shouldn't have to clean filters all the time on a vacuum cleaner - are bagged vacuums really that bad??

Its all about what consumers are prepared to put up with these days where facility and function is concerned. We're constantly being made to pay out expensive prices for better quality, better function, better performance, but at the same time put up with all the marketing and promises. When the marketing spin lies, its the consumer that has to put up with the machine. Sadly though it is not just at the premium end of the scale where marketing spin promotion words and phrases lie - it happens with Vax, Hoover and lots of other brands when the usage doesn't meet the promotional expectation.

Hi-Lo - Another example of inaccuracies online - this time from a major brand. Recently I went onto the Miele UK site. A friend of mine let me know about a Miele S8320 "Cat and Dog" model that was featured on site with a power brush Power Nozzle (PN) as a feature. I HAD to email Miele UK for availability and for Miele to check the photo - only to be told that it was the wrong stock photo that had been placed on site. This power nozzle'd Miele S8 is not available in the UK.


Post# 248043 , Reply# 62   8/28/2013 at 09:25 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Fourthly, unless you have a Dyson that has lasted a long time, how can you hope to comment? Playing with a model is different to owning one! And Im sorry to say, although YOU may not find it a "hardship" to clean filters constantly, a proportionate amount of elderly customers and so forth may not want to put up with that when the suction stops half way and the bin isn't even full! With a bagged vacuum there's really none of that nonsense to go through.

The same thought occurred to me when I first trialled the SEBO Dart (the commercial version of the Felix). I wasn't impressed with the way it felt, I didn't like the fact that it was top heavy and I didn't like the short hose, though felt that it was a good idea. I was also less impressed with the small 3.5 litre dust bag capacity, but at the time I was under the impression that the machine was a full size model for the same kind of home as the X series uprights since it had an equally long cord on it.

HOWEVER, when it came to actual usage and ownership, the DART/Felix taught me that is a very different vacuum cleaner to other conventional uprights. Ownership and trialling are very different - the Dyson DC24 may feel flimsy etc but when it comes to actual usage, it does have some nifty features and some good design points.

LASTLY, due to marketing spin and promises, a lot of owners just don't bother maintaining their vacuums - its a two way sword - for those who own bagless I can't remember the amount of times I have read or listened to people "who didn't know" there were secondary filters and just feel that if their vacuum broke AND DUE to the cheaper priced offerings on the market under £100, many buyers will just keep buying new cheap vacs when the last one goes. IF ever there was an example of a throwaway society, the cheap bagless vacuum cleaner market is a case in point.


Post# 248046 , Reply# 63   8/28/2013 at 09:42 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

I do have a Dyson - a DC01 De Stijl from 1997 - granted a fair bit of use by my nan but she gave it to us & we have kept it - don't know why, we have. We're just commenting on Dyson & how they are these days as compared to a few years ago.

Bagged Vacuums are suffering as the UK market craves Bagless, many won't settle with Bagged Machines any more sadly.

The Cyclone Seperation in Hoover & Vax machines is not like Todays Dysons but it is still good despite filter cleaning.

They really should bring out Electric Power Nozzles for Cylinder Vacs in the UK - it would make Cylinders better performers especially with Motor Wattage coming down.


Post# 248074 , Reply# 64   8/28/2013 at 13:23 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well bagged UPRIGHTS are scarce because the companies that used to make them have decided to sell bagless instead. It isn't because there's a lack of demand for them. Panasonic for example have continued to sell bagged uprights AND bagless uprights. Electrolux continue to sell the cheap and cheerful Powerlite (which is now being sold under Zanussi aswell) whilst the Hoover Purepower soldiers on. Morphy Richards used to sell a handful of bagged uprights as well as Dirt Devil Europe products. Then you have the likes of Oreck, Miele and SEBO.

I referred to the older Dual Cyclone method mirroring pretty much what bagless brands are now offering.

I'd say that there are more bagged cylinder vacs though, which is always good to see.

Not entirely sure what you mean about "motor watts coming down." The law about lower watts on vacuum cleaners hasn't been passed yet and the sole provider currently with cylinder vacs with PN's are SEBO, who have always maintained low power motor PN's anyway.

As the owner of the SEBO K3 Premium, I don't tend to use the PN head anyway - I find it far too heavy to use and detracts the basic principle of a much lighter cylinder vac vs heavier upright. Oh yes you now get lighter than light uprights like the Vax Mach Air series but even those are bulky compared to using a cylinder vacuum cleaner - the hose design on the Mach Air is testament to that regardless of the add on extension hose if you buy one or if you have models that have them on as a special edition bonus.


Post# 248076 , Reply# 65   8/28/2013 at 13:32 (3,894 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
All that PINK!!! Yikes!

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How very 'Jayne Mansfield'. It's "de voon".

Post# 248079 , Reply# 66   8/28/2013 at 13:39 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

Many do prefer Dual Cyclone though, but Dyson now do 2 tier root cyclone technology. It will probably become 3 & 4 tier next!

Power nozzles I have seen with Sebo Vacs in BJ's but they do feel very heavy.


Post# 248083 , Reply# 67   8/28/2013 at 14:03 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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I don't think consumers generally know the difference between Dual Cyclone and the latest Root 8 or Two Tiers - they just buy whatever.

Post# 248084 , Reply# 68   8/28/2013 at 14:18 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()        

That's why people buy Single Cyclone Machines. Just because it says 'Cyclonic' in the name people assume it work like Dysons do.

Post# 248093 , Reply# 69   8/28/2013 at 14:31 (3,894 days old) by Sebox4 ()        
Number of cyclones

Does the gradual increase in the number of cyclones a bagless vacuum uses remind anyone else of the number of blades in razors?

One did the job, 2 made it safer and more comfortable, but they just keep adding more and more.

Won't be long before we end up with something like this...

Matt


Post# 248133 , Reply# 70   8/28/2013 at 17:13 (3,893 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Well.its not just the bagless claims - its the bagged companies too - they were all competing with each other all the time, trying to outdo the other with "layered" paper dust bags. 2 ply, 3 ply, 4 ply - oh it went on and on! - Still happens now, even with the disposable synthetic dust bags from major brands who go on and on about extra layers.

Thing is though, as a Miele owner who uses the older IntensiveClean bags and an Active Air Clean charcoal filter, I've never noticed a difference and I used HyClean bags when they first came on the market.


Post# 249333 , Reply# 71   9/7/2013 at 07:20 (3,884 days old) by madabouthoovers ()        
Further update

Well, after a month on trial, using once every 2 days, I can now point out the pros and cons of the Vax Zoom.

 

Pros:

 

The Zoom is a very good budget vac in my opinion, which cleans very well indeed and has a good hose and handle extension.

It has very powerful suction which did not appear to diminish much at all during the gradual filling of the dust container, which I allowed to fill to the MAX line over the space of a month's use.

It is easy to push as long as the height adjustment is set correctly.

It is reasonably well made and I would imagine it would last a few years if used correctly.

The range come in good colour schemes.

The filter is easy to wash out and the primary separator assembly simply pulls out of the bin for easy washing.

The vac is not heavy and is easy to carry.

It has motor soft start and is not overly noisy in use.

It has a longer than average cable for its price point, and this has adequate stowage space on the back of the vac.

 

 

 

Cons:

 

The lint picker strips on the turbo tool came to bits over the first month of use and had to be pulled off (quality control issue).

The vac does not sit high enough off the ground when using the hose and tools to keep the brushroll from contacting carpet as the vac moves due to the hose being pulled (Design flaw)

The handle does need some kind of rubberised hand grip on it to make it more comfortable to use. (Design flaw)

The vac does not have a storage place built on for the multi tool. (but it does include one for the turbo tool). (Design flaw)

The exhaust filter does emit some very fine black dust which is evident on the bottom of the dust container after a month's use. (Exhaust filter foam insufficient?)

The belt is not easily accessible requiring tools and removal of many screws to replace it. (Bad design)

Filters are very expensive at £19.99 for the filter pack from Vax, although they are washable, they will need replacing eventually. (Corporate greed)

 

Final Score:

 

 

So, overall, it does have a few design flaws and the odd poor quality issue on the turbo tool which have come to light since buying it, but on the whole, I still like this vac and would be happy to give it an overall score of 8/10 based on the sub £100 price point.

Yes, I would buy one again, and I would recommend them to anyone except the elderly as I think with the colour schemes used these are intended for the younger generation. Also, I think the elderly would struggle to replace a drivebelt due to the complexity of dismantling the base to get to it.

I do think though that Vax seriously need to re-consider the price of the pre-motor filters as they are just not worth £20.

 

 

 


Post# 249370 , Reply# 72   9/7/2013 at 14:47 (3,883 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)        

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Good pros and cons. I notice that Argos also sell a "reach" model with 10 metres of cord.

Bear in mind that the filter kit or whatever won't necessarily require replacement unless the intended buyer will never clean or wash the filters on board in the first place. The filters on board have a yearly statistic of longevity. It isn't any more expensive than Miele's AAC filter or HEPA filter at £10 or £20 anyway and prices on the consumables may well fall given the popularity that these bright colour models and their general retail price attract.






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