Thread Number: 21855
New Vax Zoom Upright (Argos Exclusive) Review & Pics |
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Post# 244627 , Reply# 1   8/9/2013 at 06:47 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Side view: |
Post# 244632 , Reply# 4   8/9/2013 at 06:50 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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That's the pets model which in the flesh looks really good, except I asked about it & was said that it was not that good. It looks quite cool though. Is it noisy or anything? |
Post# 244633 , Reply# 5   8/9/2013 at 06:50 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Here is the exhaust filter which is also a sponge filter, but a thick one that seems to silence the motor quite well. It makes a good sound and with soft start sounds like a Miele at startup: |
Post# 244636 , Reply# 7   8/9/2013 at 06:58 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Hmmmm, I do like the look of them, but am going to get a Hotpoint Cylinder first. |
Post# 244645 , Reply# 10   8/9/2013 at 07:32 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Showing the power switch on top of the canister housing: |
Post# 244646 , Reply# 11   8/9/2013 at 07:33 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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Showing the handle removed from the machine with the extension in pink inside it: |
Post# 244649 , Reply# 13   8/9/2013 at 07:37 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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And here we see the whole wand and extension attached with the turbo tool on the end. A very good design this is and hats off to vax for improving the Air and air 3 design which was very poor in my opinon: |
Post# 244650 , Reply# 14   8/9/2013 at 07:40 (3,913 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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The turbo tool even has the lint pickers on it. This is the only turbo tool I have seen to include these (and I have quite a few turbo tools lol) |
Post# 244653 , Reply# 15   8/9/2013 at 07:44 (3,913 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Vax really have thought about this cleaner! Thanks for the pics! |
Post# 244880 , Reply# 18   8/9/2013 at 17:41 (3,912 days old) by Turbo500 (West Yorkshire, UK)   |   | |
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Post# 244886 , Reply# 19   8/9/2013 at 18:09 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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i don't know yet, buying a Hotpoint one first. |
Post# 244930 , Reply# 20   8/9/2013 at 21:53 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Certainly from the handle point of view for the hose, its a dead cert version used on the Vax Mach Air. Nice model though I knew you couldn't resist!
I was looking at Wikos site online last night and they are selling a £70 Vax "Exclusive" in the form of the white "Power" upright known as the "Naked Truth." I couldn't believe it - what a name to give a bagless Vax budget upright! It won't be the Naked Truth when it starts to clog up though! Also the Pink Zoom upright is also on sale at Homebase, Argos company. It will also sell on Amazon UK no doubt. |
Post# 244935 , Reply# 21   8/9/2013 at 22:07 (3,912 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well there's a new-ish Russell Hobbs upright vacuum, no loss of suction on Amazon UK. It is purple, not pink though : )
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Post# 245005 , Reply# 22   8/10/2013 at 13:59 (3,912 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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It's exactly the same as the Vax White Upright - Sebo_Fan, just another name they use. |
Post# 245018 , Reply# 24   8/10/2013 at 15:43 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I used to have quite a few DC01's - they were my favourite Dyson uprights as well as the DC04 but I stopped after that.
Well, the GOOD thing about Vax is that because they're cheap and well priced, they suit a lot of buyers - and mostly judged by the reviews online, a lot who tend to get turned off when the Vax starts to clog and can be expensive to maintain - then turn to Dyson. I mean, I hardly think a purple Zoom priced at nearly £200 that Amazon UK now lists will find that many buyers. I've often thought that Dyson should do an economical upright that doesn't cost an arm and a leg to purchase. I don't think it would dull the image of this design led company and I for one would consider it - but I can't abide the expensive prices of the Dyson range in general. They can do a £100 vacuum cleaner but they're leaving it up to the likes of other brands who are churning out the Dual Cyclone patents to fill that market pricing. |
Post# 245047 , Reply# 25   8/10/2013 at 18:05 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 245048 , Reply# 26   8/10/2013 at 18:06 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 245120 , Reply# 27   8/11/2013 at 05:46 (3,911 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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Steve I'm sure you said on my Mach Air Cylinder thread that you weren't buying anymore Vax machines haha :p
Not sure about the colour would of liked to have seen the purple or green ones though, I was intrigued about these so thanks for the pictures. Dan This post was last edited 08/11/2013 at 06:33 |
Post# 245134 , Reply# 29   8/11/2013 at 08:04 (3,911 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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I know what Steve means - I'm the same - I said I would never buy bagless again and there I went and bought another Hoover Slalom. Find it a lot better in the hand in terms of quality than the Vax Air3 Agile and yes I still have to put up with the suction plate on the base - but do you know what - the Slalom isn't rough on my wool carpets and that's a good thing for a "modern" bagless upright.
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Post# 245139 , Reply# 30   8/11/2013 at 08:19 (3,911 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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I know the feeling Steve lol but I've been so impressed with this new found self discipline I seem to have developed thats stopped me buying a new vacuum for ages now everytime I'm about to do it I can talk myself out of it :o Although that TOL AEG UltraOne in Chocolate Brown keeps bloody asking me to buy it haha
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Post# 245241 , Reply# 32   8/11/2013 at 17:21 (3,910 days old) by ultraperformer (Derbyshire, UK, Europe)   |   | |
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I had the Electrolux TwinClean that used a very similar powerhead (no supprise as same company) and it was fine for a couple of years then started working intermittently but to be fair to it, it was used daily as it was such a good machine wish I'd kept it new and boxed away now! I've been chatting to a very nice guy on YouTube who has the TOL UltraOne and hes had his for a while now and has not had any problems. Plus I wouldn't use it much as would want to keep it in a nice new condition I see it's gone from Currys now so wonder if its been discontinued John Lewis still have but at £299 there's no way I'm paying that!!!!
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Post# 245350 , Reply# 33   8/12/2013 at 10:33 (3,910 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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That's precisely why Im keeping my Electrolux Excellio Super Silence Z5045 in the box.
(See previous thread www.vacuumland.org/cgi-bin/TD/TD-... |
Post# 247297 , Reply# 35   8/23/2013 at 06:40 (3,899 days old) by madabouthoovers ()   |   | |
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The bin is massive on this model and as it gets used, the dirt mainly goes into the bin rather than the filter - you can see how it sticks to the exterior of the primary separator: |
Post# 247321 , Reply# 39   8/23/2013 at 10:25 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Personally speaking I think you should forward your excellent analysis to Vax. Clearly if that setting " in between " the height adjustment dial is a better match, Vax should be made aware of it so that they can add that to the next batch.
Miele's S4 series - my favourite all time Miele vacuum - had a "secret" setting of power increase between the 3rd and 4th setting, but they never gave that a proper setting of its own. I used that setting for increased suction without ever having to use the next three preset settings to the end. The S6 doesn't seem to have that though. |
Post# 247325 , Reply# 40   8/23/2013 at 10:48 (3,899 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Does this Zoom sound like a Mach Air Upright or something similar? As I want to get one now. |
Post# 247331 , Reply# 42   8/23/2013 at 11:29 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Actually Steve, 'soft start' can be found on a lot of budget vacuums too - Electrolux Powerplus cylinder vacs have had them from the start when they were launched and the model I had before them, the Boss B4105 and B4111 vacuums (also sold under Swan branding in the catalogues at that point in history and in the U.S under the Eureka tag) also had soft start.
I must point out though (from my experience) that just because a vacuum cleaner has a higher motor doesn't necessarily mean it is louder. It depends on the design and what intentions the company have added as to sound proofing, or just the basic design of how the motor has been positioned. How, can for example, an Oreck XL at 350 watts sound louder than a Hoover Junior with the identical power? It has little to do with the higher power output, but more to do with the insulation and general design. Now that my Vax Mach Air is gone and I have the Hoover Slalom in its place, I find the 1200 watt motor on the Hoover to be quieter than the Vax Mach Air. I recall that not only was the motor noisy on the Vax Mach Air (okay it had 100 watts more) but you also had to put up with the motor that drove the brush roll as well. This is far more apparent when switching the brush roll on/off and though the Slalom also features that function, it is a little bit quieter. |
Post# 247354 , Reply# 44   8/23/2013 at 13:25 (3,899 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Thing is though, I don't think that it matters to be honest with fixed suction machines. Granted the Miele S7 has it because it has variable suction. That would stand to reason. What is more important is that the machine itself is built well enough to sustain dust entering the motor. Whilst the Zoom is undoubtedly a budget vacuum, it remains to be seen whether it can last the duration or above expectation of say, five or more years dependent on what it is required to clean up after.
I had a fantastic "Dirt Devil" based Vax Upright Dynammite based upright - the Quick Lite V-045. I didn't expect it to last any more than 2 to 3 years. It was very noisy but did the job although had that horrid paper pleated cone filter and the vacuum cleaner itself lasted for about 10 years with three paper cone replacements before the motor started to show signs of breaking down. The motor wasn't completely sealed but it was well made despite being a cheap price to buy. Generally most were put off by the model as it was an upright only and didn't come with a hose. But then, it didn't have soft start, it was just well maintained. |
Post# 247906 , Reply# 45   8/27/2013 at 07:50 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Here's another Vax with a different colour scheme, the Power VX Pet for £69, quite good especially as it has Cord Rewind. |
Post# 247907 , Reply# 46   8/27/2013 at 07:55 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Link; CLICK HERE TO GO TO hi-loswitch98's LINK |
Post# 247911 , Reply# 47   8/27/2013 at 09:35 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Yet in the same website there's a Power U89 P2 listed with a claimed "10 metre cable" but the stats say 7.5 metres..
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Post# 247913 , Reply# 48   8/27/2013 at 09:46 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Sorry to burst your bubble - just checked Vax website. For the Power VX Pet sold at Tesco, goes under the name of Vax U87-PVX-P It does NOT come with an auto cord rewind. See photo taken from the user manual:
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Post# 247914 , Reply# 49   8/27/2013 at 09:50 (3,895 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Oh right - that's what it said on TESCO. |
Post# 247915 , Reply# 50   8/27/2013 at 09:56 (3,895 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Sadly supermarkets and franchises like Currys - all those sellers can't be fully trusted. Sometimes it works in the consumers favour. Yesterday I saw a Miele "S2" parading about on the Internet on a site that showed a photo of the S8! In store if you were to order it, you could easily demand you want the product as shown or threaten to report to trading standards.
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Post# 247970 , Reply# 53   8/27/2013 at 18:36 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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But the thing is Hi-lo, Hoover aren't any better than Vax - they're still the same designs where filter dust capture is concerned, whether Hoover wants to call it Airvolution or whatever- yes, there are SOME differences of how the cyclones are arranged, but end of the day you still have 2 filters to clean or more. No surprise already that the suction on my Slalom is already shortening out because the top foam filter is really badly caked in dirt. In time we'll see - but really, having a Dyson is better on the filters - they're far more modern and don't require as much cleaning.
Also until Dyson and other bagless brands jumped on the bandwagon, as consumers we weren't really taught on how dust was captured, but rather the power and design of other elements that contributed to pick up or performance. Frankly I couldn't give a monkeys on how dirt is captured - but I do worry about what the brush roll is like or weight I have to push and pull is like. |
Post# 248038 , Reply# 60   8/28/2013 at 08:59 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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That's exactly what I found when I Steamed my DC04, I steamed the opening & through all the holes shot out bits of dirt, yuk! You can wash the Cyclone system in the Vax Mach Air though. |
Post# 248041 , Reply# 61   8/28/2013 at 09:13 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Sorry guys but you're comparing apples to eggs here - especially more so comparing an old DC04 to a more modern cheaper priced alternative. I bet none of you would be boosting the appeal of these old "Dual Cyclone" types if the list prices were expensive to buy! It is easy to fall into that trap when comparing low-price value budget with premium. 'Happens all the time, not just with vacuums but other household appliances.
"Best selling," is also market spin advertising promotion words - look at Hoover - they're always suggesting that the Hoover Purepower is the " best selling upright " yet I bet Panasonic sell more of their bagged uprights - why else do the company keep them in production for sale in the UK? Thirdly, yes, as collectors we can swing in roundabouts glossing over how good or bad the Dyson design is and this and that - all the other brands HAVE to play second fiddle to Dyson as they don't have the same cyclone patent as the current Dyson vacs - one shouldn't have to clean filters all the time on a vacuum cleaner - are bagged vacuums really that bad?? Its all about what consumers are prepared to put up with these days where facility and function is concerned. We're constantly being made to pay out expensive prices for better quality, better function, better performance, but at the same time put up with all the marketing and promises. When the marketing spin lies, its the consumer that has to put up with the machine. Sadly though it is not just at the premium end of the scale where marketing spin promotion words and phrases lie - it happens with Vax, Hoover and lots of other brands when the usage doesn't meet the promotional expectation. Hi-Lo - Another example of inaccuracies online - this time from a major brand. Recently I went onto the Miele UK site. A friend of mine let me know about a Miele S8320 "Cat and Dog" model that was featured on site with a power brush Power Nozzle (PN) as a feature. I HAD to email Miele UK for availability and for Miele to check the photo - only to be told that it was the wrong stock photo that had been placed on site. This power nozzle'd Miele S8 is not available in the UK. |
Post# 248043 , Reply# 62   8/28/2013 at 09:25 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Fourthly, unless you have a Dyson that has lasted a long time, how can you hope to comment? Playing with a model is different to owning one! And Im sorry to say, although YOU may not find it a "hardship" to clean filters constantly, a proportionate amount of elderly customers and so forth may not want to put up with that when the suction stops half way and the bin isn't even full! With a bagged vacuum there's really none of that nonsense to go through.
The same thought occurred to me when I first trialled the SEBO Dart (the commercial version of the Felix). I wasn't impressed with the way it felt, I didn't like the fact that it was top heavy and I didn't like the short hose, though felt that it was a good idea. I was also less impressed with the small 3.5 litre dust bag capacity, but at the time I was under the impression that the machine was a full size model for the same kind of home as the X series uprights since it had an equally long cord on it. HOWEVER, when it came to actual usage and ownership, the DART/Felix taught me that is a very different vacuum cleaner to other conventional uprights. Ownership and trialling are very different - the Dyson DC24 may feel flimsy etc but when it comes to actual usage, it does have some nifty features and some good design points. LASTLY, due to marketing spin and promises, a lot of owners just don't bother maintaining their vacuums - its a two way sword - for those who own bagless I can't remember the amount of times I have read or listened to people "who didn't know" there were secondary filters and just feel that if their vacuum broke AND DUE to the cheaper priced offerings on the market under £100, many buyers will just keep buying new cheap vacs when the last one goes. IF ever there was an example of a throwaway society, the cheap bagless vacuum cleaner market is a case in point. |
Post# 248074 , Reply# 64   8/28/2013 at 13:23 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well bagged UPRIGHTS are scarce because the companies that used to make them have decided to sell bagless instead. It isn't because there's a lack of demand for them. Panasonic for example have continued to sell bagged uprights AND bagless uprights. Electrolux continue to sell the cheap and cheerful Powerlite (which is now being sold under Zanussi aswell) whilst the Hoover Purepower soldiers on. Morphy Richards used to sell a handful of bagged uprights as well as Dirt Devil Europe products. Then you have the likes of Oreck, Miele and SEBO.
I referred to the older Dual Cyclone method mirroring pretty much what bagless brands are now offering. I'd say that there are more bagged cylinder vacs though, which is always good to see. Not entirely sure what you mean about "motor watts coming down." The law about lower watts on vacuum cleaners hasn't been passed yet and the sole provider currently with cylinder vacs with PN's are SEBO, who have always maintained low power motor PN's anyway. As the owner of the SEBO K3 Premium, I don't tend to use the PN head anyway - I find it far too heavy to use and detracts the basic principle of a much lighter cylinder vac vs heavier upright. Oh yes you now get lighter than light uprights like the Vax Mach Air series but even those are bulky compared to using a cylinder vacuum cleaner - the hose design on the Mach Air is testament to that regardless of the add on extension hose if you buy one or if you have models that have them on as a special edition bonus. |
Post# 248076 , Reply# 65   8/28/2013 at 13:32 (3,894 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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Post# 248079 , Reply# 66   8/28/2013 at 13:39 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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Many do prefer Dual Cyclone though, but Dyson now do 2 tier root cyclone technology. It will probably become 3 & 4 tier next! Power nozzles I have seen with Sebo Vacs in BJ's but they do feel very heavy. |
Post# 248083 , Reply# 67   8/28/2013 at 14:03 (3,894 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Post# 248084 , Reply# 68   8/28/2013 at 14:18 (3,894 days old) by hi-loswitch98 ()   |   | |
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That's why people buy Single Cyclone Machines. Just because it says 'Cyclonic' in the name people assume it work like Dysons do. |
Post# 248133 , Reply# 70   8/28/2013 at 17:13 (3,893 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Well.its not just the bagless claims - its the bagged companies too - they were all competing with each other all the time, trying to outdo the other with "layered" paper dust bags. 2 ply, 3 ply, 4 ply - oh it went on and on! - Still happens now, even with the disposable synthetic dust bags from major brands who go on and on about extra layers.
Thing is though, as a Miele owner who uses the older IntensiveClean bags and an Active Air Clean charcoal filter, I've never noticed a difference and I used HyClean bags when they first came on the market. |
Post# 249370 , Reply# 72   9/7/2013 at 14:47 (3,883 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2)   |   | |
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Good pros and cons. I notice that Argos also sell a "reach" model with 10 metres of cord.
Bear in mind that the filter kit or whatever won't necessarily require replacement unless the intended buyer will never clean or wash the filters on board in the first place. The filters on board have a yearly statistic of longevity. It isn't any more expensive than Miele's AAC filter or HEPA filter at £10 or £20 anyway and prices on the consumables may well fall given the popularity that these bright colour models and their general retail price attract. |