Thread Number: 19227
/ Tag: Pre-1950 Vacuum Cleaners
Lux model 30/XXX tools |
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Post# 212383 , Reply# 1   1/3/2013 at 15:36 (4,131 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The chrome rug tool with the 'Gleaner' bar IS for the model XXX! If it is blue/grey then it's LX (60). By the way, Electrolux called that saddle thingy, a 'Companion!' It was sold as an optional tool, along with the Cord Winder, and Garment Aire bag, around 1948. Most of these tools were designed by Gustave E. Lofgren, head engineer for Electrolux. The carpet tool, bare floor tool, upholstry tool, crevice tool, and dusting brush all began with the model X11, and evolved from there. In 1948, new tools were introduced. Besides the Cord Winder, and so on, the power polisher tool was added. The sprayer, and vaporizor tools went back to the model X1, though they, like the other standard tools looked a bit different.
When the model E was introduced in 1954, so were the combination tools. By the way, Lofgren designed them as well. |
Post# 212415 , Reply# 2   1/3/2013 at 20:09 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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I don't have access to my vacuum cleaners, or patent books right now. Theses are in storage in Indiana, while I'm in Pa.. However, when I had a display room, I had a wall of rug and floor tools. Electrolux had 5, or 6 designes for the rug tool, and all but two featured the 'Gleaner.' They also had a flip top thingy that had a 'Gleaner.'
Here's a funny story. At the Electrolux factory in Old Greenwich, Connecticut, there was a cat who lived there. Her name was Sarah, and she was also an employee! Every day somebody would sprinkle catnip on a test rug, and let Sarah go to work. After an hour or so of rolling in the catnip, other employees would look at the fur left behind by Sarah. The rug was now vacuumed to see how well the latest prototype got up the cat hair. Thanks to Sarah, every Electrolux was good at getting pet hair! |
Post# 212420 , Reply# 3   1/3/2013 at 20:30 (4,130 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Here is a picture of the tools (all cast aluminum) that went with that classic machine. Of all the machines I have, I consider this the pentulitmate vacuum cleaner. They made millions of them and just about everyone remembers someone who had it. The best of the best of the time. Built like a Sherman tank and totally functional. Tania just found me a brand-new rug tool. Over the years, the bumpers deteriorated, but the one she found me was like new. Can't find it right now, but this will give you an idea of what the ensemble was all about with the cord winder and companion (tool caddy.)
PS - sorry - she needs a bit of dusting. |
Post# 212421 , Reply# 4   1/3/2013 at 20:32 (4,130 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 212422 , Reply# 5   1/3/2013 at 20:37 (4,130 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 212427 , Reply# 6   1/3/2013 at 20:49 (4,130 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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Post# 212440 , Reply# 7   1/3/2013 at 22:01 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Thank you Fred.
Some really great shots of classic Electrolux's. I see nothing wrong with that XXX! And as for Ms. Tania, fantastic!! The Elextrolux LX looks wonderful, even the box. As for the last, the page from the instruction book, that really warms my heart. As you know, we just passed 30 years as a club, you are a big part of that. Thanks for all you have done to help make this club what it is. With deep admiration and respect. Alex Taber. |
Post# 212443 , Reply# 8   1/3/2013 at 22:20 (4,130 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)   |   | |
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Thank you for the information! I never knew about Sarah the cat until now, but that certainly explains a lot!! The pictures of the machines and tools are awesome! Out of all the models of Electrolux vacuums I own, I find myself drawn to the XXX as much as any model, I think they are absolutely gorgeous and have such classic styling that is still impressive even today! The good part is, millions were made so I still run across them quite a bit! Great posts guys, thanks!!!
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Post# 212460 , Reply# 10   1/4/2013 at 02:04 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The model XXX (30) has an interesting history. Not only was it the longest running model, it was the first Americam made Electrolux. All Electrolux models prior to this were made in Sweeden. True, the last of the model X11's were made here too, but the XXX was made exclusively in Old Greenwich, Connecticut.
Gustaf E. Lofgren started working for Electrolux when the factory opened in 1933. He was the man who designed most of the machines, and tools. The model XXX was introduced in 1937, and ran till late 1955. Electrolux did not plan it this way, but with the outbreak of WWI1, all vacuum cleaner companies went into war production. Slated to follow the model XXX was the model XX (20). It had a sleeker body, and while a few thousand were put into production, all vacuum cleaners were quickly halted. All that was left were the prewar XXX's. After the war, Electrolux, returned to the XXX, now known as the post war machines. As for the XX? it was scrapped! Right after the war, Lofgren, and his engineers went to work on an idea to let the user know when it was time to change the bag. Over 20 designes were tried, and some were quite odd. One looked like a model XXX but the bag chamber rotated out of the right side of the machine. Another lifted the main body off the runners, popped open the front cover, ejected the bag, and unhooked the hose coupling. There was even a canister design that looked and worked like a jack -in the - box! Also tested was the idea of a paper bag, thus Lofgren designed the self sealing 'wrapper' around 1949. If I ever get back to Indiana, and can get my patent books, I'll share the patents, as they are very interesting. Actually, they were featured in a newsletter back in the 1980's. Maybe a member has a copy and can publish them for me, because they are very funny! And speaking of Electrolux books, I also have a copy of Electrolux - The first 50 years. This is where I learned about the cat Sarah. The design that was finally used was that of Leon P. Borkowski, who patteneted an ejector style in 1951. And that is what was put into production in January, 1952. We know it as the model LX! The first LX's didn't have control dial thingy, but as a number of them began to eject too soon, and not open the front cover, the bags imploded. So the first machines were outfitted with the dial to adjust the ejection setting. In order to save cost, the nameplate was changed from the red lettering on a yellow background, to the basic chrome. Then the optional wheels were added, and the use of hammertome blue completed the new design. Suddenly the model LX had become the LXI. Though basically the same, not as nice to look at! As for the trim on the tools, they changed color to match the machine, as did the hose. The X1 was black, X11 brown, XXX, and XX gray, LX, LXI blue/gray. The XXX also changed the color of the leatherette, body paint and trim from dark gray in 1937, to a pale blue in 1955. The sled runners also changed fron flat, to rounded. I happen to have a model XX, and find it a very good machine. So there you have it, a brief history on Electrolux. I have a lot of other things about that wonderful company, but that's for another time. |
Post# 212528 , Reply# 13   1/4/2013 at 15:25 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Thank you Bill:
I grew up with Elextrolux's. My maternal grandfather was the house director of a boys school in Wallingford, Connecticut. That school was called Choate, today it's Choate/Rosemary Hall. As my 'grandpa' knew I was into vacuum cleaners, he often let me play in the storeage area where there were dozens of discarded Electrolux's, Hoover's, and Kirby's. He also was on a first name basis with two salesmen. Jack Early, who sold Kirby and Quinto Escarry, who sold Elecectrolux. The model XXX was everywhere! There was one in the barber shop, another in the chapel, and dozens in the various buildings. While my grandmother on both sides had moxel XXX's the lady next door, had a LX! I was about 2, maybe 3 when I saw it eject, and that was it, I was hooked. This lady was Jeanette Pletincks, and she was also a second mother to me. I'm sure it's because that model LX was hers that did it. From that time on, I was always looking in closets to see what kind of vacuum cleaner people had, and most of them were Electrolux's! When I was 17, I got hired as a salesman for Electrolux, but quickly learned that loving vacuum cleaners, loving to demo, and closing a sale were very different things. I was just too nice to close the sale! What I did learn was the history of not only Electrolux, but also Kirby, and so on. Then when I was 21, saw a two person hand pump non electric, and the historian was born! Through my collection of instruction books (all brands) research of patent information, and aquisition of several machines, I got to learn the history of the Vacuum Cleaner. Mine was more or less hands on experience, as well as a photographic memory! Working for Electrolux, and later Kirby gave me a lot to work with. The only company I didn't know about was Hoover! But that was about to change. I lived in Chesterton, Indiana at the time, about 50 miles from Chicago. I'd also made friends with a John Henry, who's father had started 'The Henry Co.' in Chicago. Through him I added a lot of machines to me collection. One afternoon he asked "have you ever been to the Hoover museum?" "no" I said, so he told me about the Hoover Historical Center. Two weeks later I went there, met the director, Stacy Krammes (her husband Don was the man who designed the Hoover floor washer), and suddenly I was told the history of Hoover. Now the world of the non electric, and early electric was at my fingertips. During my time at Hoover, I was treated like a full VIP, it was wonderful! About a year later, I got a letter from Stacy, forwarding a letter from a collector in Palo-Alto, California, seeking info on the Hoover models, 150, and 700. This was John Lucia! Now there was somebody to share my wealth of information with, and we were in constant communication from then on. Then in the summer of 1982, John embarked on a cross country trip. Meeting me, and touring the Hoover Historical Center was on his list. Together we saw the center, toured the factory, saw the Vault, and were both treated like royalty. As we went to the third floor of the factory, John and I both overheard one worker say to another. "I have no idea who these people are, but they must be very important, nobody gets to the third floor!" Back at the Center, Stacy gave us a list of names, the 5 people who were interested in collecting. As we were driving to my home state of Connecticut, I asked John if we should form a club? "I doubt if anybody will join, but it's worth a try, write to them and see." The result was the founding of the V.C.C.C.! So there, in a nut shell is the history of our club. |
Post# 212544 , Reply# 14   1/4/2013 at 17:07 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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There are a number of club members who are organists. Here is a bit of vacuum cleaner, organ trivia.
The Welte-Tripp pipe organ was originaly made in Old Greenwich, Connecticut. While I don't have the complete history of this factory, I know it was also the home of the Dalton lathe company. Then in 1933, it became the home of Electrolux!! I tried to do a Wikipedia search on Welte-Tripp, and came up empty handed. But I find it very interesting that two wonderful products were made in the same place. More info please! |
Post# 212561 , Reply# 15   1/4/2013 at 18:38 (4,130 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi Bill:
As I said, Electrolux introduced the Companion around 1948, though, as I don't have my patent books I can't say exactly when. The XXX was designed during the height of the 'Art Deco' period. One is also on display at the Metropolitan museum in New York City! At any rate, the Companion came in several designes. Some were for the XXX, others wre for the LX, LXI. With each, there were tabs for the rug tool, bare floor brush, upholstry tool, and dusting brush. Some were designed to hold the crevice tool, some were not. Also some used one tab to hold the upholstry tool up side down. (Hose end), another lets it sit on two tabs. This tool is also designed in two ways. One has the center thingy, the other is a wide nozzle. The chain on the XXX, and vinyl strap on the LX/LXI were there to let the user hang it on a door knob, or hook in the closet. As I like to keep my LX completely outfitted with (all ) tools, I have a 2nd companion with duplicate tools and use what's needed. Again it's a matter of opinion, the Companion can saddle the machine in two ways. The picture of Tania using the LX is in reverse of the way I have it. I go with it as pictured in the instruction book. Actually, while I like it covering the compartment for the cord, it is better the way it looks with Tania vacuuming at Turantula Arms! There were a few tools made of plastic. Actually these were bakelite. The dust brush, upholstry tool and top of the rug tool. They were made while we were at war, and there was no metal produced. Optional tools, which most people never used were also added to the XXX. The white bristle floor brush, and dusting brush! Most of our club members don't know that the entire ensamble was sold as one unit! Everything you see in the picture was in two huge boxes. After the sale was made, and before the final price was agreed to, the customer would point to various parts, and the salesman would deduct the price of the power polisher, garnent aire bag, cord winder, companian, or what have you. Some people went with just the bare bones. Machine, attachments, hose, and wands. Others bought it all, including the cans of wax, moth crystals, and so on. Why would a person want the power cord, when they went with the cord winder? Simple, it made a great extention cord. Another option was the hose. The hose? yes, the machine came with a standard hose, but a longer one could be purchaced. I believe the 12 foot hose was the longest. (Open for corrections here guys!) So there you have it, as best as I can recall, that's the info on the Electrolux tools. As I said, I welcome corrections, and so on. By the way, Fred, can we get a better look at that box. I have one in terrible condition, and this included the box that the wrappers were in. Please post a picture. And last but certainly not least, hi Tania! our dear 'Air-Way Lady,' thank you for being a major part of our club. You are truly awesome! Alex Taber. This post was last edited 01/04/2013 at 19:16 |
Post# 212577 , Reply# 16   1/4/2013 at 22:12 (4,129 days old) by collector2 (Moose Jaw, Sk)   |   | |
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Hey Alex:
There was also a triangular shaped small nozzle in place of the regular one at one point (though I dont know exactly when). I have one with one of my model XXX's. Just as a bit of trivia. The saddle or companion was also available for some of the Canadian 50 series machines and 50 series ones in Germany as well. Doug |
Post# 212578 , Reply# 17   1/4/2013 at 22:20 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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So, I thought I would help out with some pics. Here's my XXX with as many accessories as it had except for the Garment-Aire. I don't have one of those... |
Post# 212579 , Reply# 18   1/4/2013 at 22:21 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Optional cord winder (please excuse the aftermarket plug)... |
Post# 212582 , Reply# 20   1/4/2013 at 22:25 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Early XXX sprayer |
Post# 212583 , Reply# 21   1/4/2013 at 22:26 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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This is the sprayer.... |
Post# 212584 , Reply# 22   1/4/2013 at 22:28 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Polisher with scrub brush/ring, polishing brush/ring and lambswool pad. |
Post# 212585 , Reply# 23   1/4/2013 at 22:29 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Succession of XXX rug tools. |
Post# 212586 , Reply# 24   1/4/2013 at 22:30 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Gray Hammertone companion that goes with this model since this XXX has no blue painted parts to it. |
Post# 212587 , Reply# 25   1/4/2013 at 22:31 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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I just like the looks of this rug tool. It's not as effective as later models. |
Post# 212588 , Reply# 26   1/4/2013 at 22:34 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Early stamped steel, chrome plated dusting brush and bare floor tool. Shown with them, the optional suction control that would go between the hose handle and wand or tool. |
Post# 212589 , Reply# 27   1/4/2013 at 22:35 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Small, impressed logo. |
Post# 212590 , Reply# 28   1/4/2013 at 22:37 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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This is what Doug is talking about. The corner/upholstery crevice tool. Top view. |
Post# 212591 , Reply# 29   1/4/2013 at 22:38 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Sold as optional equipment to get into couch cushion corners. Bottom view. |
Post# 212592 , Reply# 30   1/4/2013 at 22:40 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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White bristle wall brush and dusting brush. For delicate surfaces such as wall coverings, tapestries and lamp shades. |
Post# 212594 , Reply# 31   1/4/2013 at 22:41 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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New in box, never used dust bag and after filters. |
Post# 212595 , Reply# 32   1/4/2013 at 22:42 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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I like the advertising they put on the outside of the dust bag.....view of interior. |
Post# 212596 , Reply# 33   1/4/2013 at 22:44 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Fibre (cardboard) radiator tool and plastic "G" crevice tools. |
Post# 212597 , Reply# 34   1/4/2013 at 22:44 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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logo.... |
Post# 212601 , Reply# 35   1/4/2013 at 22:48 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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LX tools just for the heck of it...plastic parts. Also shown is the famous "Tuftor". Many discussions about the Tuftor back in the good old days on here... |
Post# 212604 , Reply# 37   1/4/2013 at 22:57 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Logo... |
Post# 212605 , Reply# 38   1/4/2013 at 22:57 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Rear view... |
Post# 212606 , Reply# 39   1/4/2013 at 23:01 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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slightly out of order here....logo on plastic upholstery tool. Made of the same type of plastic GE used that grows "fungus". |
Post# 212608 , Reply# 41   1/4/2013 at 23:04 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Of the 2 companions I have, one has the holder for the crevice tool, (called a 'narrow space cleaner.') It has the single tab to hold the 'upholsry cleaner. The 'dusting brush' sits behind this. There are two tabs for the ' rug cleaner,' and one wide one for the 'floor brush.' The other one has the two tabs for the upholstry cleaner, and no place for the crevice tool.
I searched both of these for patent numbers, no luck, but as I recall, the only patent information I found went with the model XXX. If memory serves me correctly, the man who designed this was Freman s. Doughman. |
Post# 212611 , Reply# 43   1/4/2013 at 23:08 (4,129 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)   |   | |
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I just wanted you to know, that, Stacy Krammes, former director of The HOOVER Historical Center, passed away this September 9. Her husband, Don, passed in 1973. He was very highly thought of at The HOOVER Company. Stacy was with the "center" from the beginning, before they moved the house. Thankfully, she wasn't ill for long, as, she passed afte a short illness. Ann Haines was her secretary, and, of course, now, is the curent "Operations Coordinator" of the center.I wasn't sure if you were aware of this, being that you, yourself, have been out of circulation since just after The Rainbow Roundup in Texas. |
Post# 212612 , Reply# 44   1/4/2013 at 23:10 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Logos on XII tools....dusting brush - |
Post# 212613 , Reply# 45   1/4/2013 at 23:11 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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floor brush... |
Post# 212614 , Reply# 46   1/4/2013 at 23:11 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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and inside of upholstery tool.... |
Post# 212615 , Reply# 47   1/4/2013 at 23:16 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Model LX. Very early with the "plastic" side panels and the polished aluminium cord connector door. It has been updated with a final version of the ejector control. |
Post# 212616 , Reply# 48   1/4/2013 at 23:18 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Sorry, Narrow space cleaner...not radiator tool. Radiator tool was used by a different brand. See? |
Post# 212617 , Reply# 49   1/4/2013 at 23:20 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Notches for LX companion. I have seen some machines that only have one set of notches. |
Post# 212618 , Reply# 50   1/4/2013 at 23:21 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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The dual notches allow the companion to be placed on the rear... |
Post# 212619 , Reply# 51   1/4/2013 at 23:23 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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Or the front. Now showing the narrow "narrow space cleaner" clip. |
Post# 212620 , Reply# 52   1/4/2013 at 23:25 (4,129 days old) by crevicetool (GA )   |   | |
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One more and you won't have to put up with me for a while..... A cloth bag for use with the Automatic E, F, G, and 1205 |
Post# 212622 , Reply# 53   1/4/2013 at 23:29 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Thanks Crevicetool:
As I recall, you and I have met at one, maybe two conventions. In my paperwork is your restoration pamphlet. This is awesome, I was actually drooling over these tools. I didn't mention the triangular upholstry tool, the suction control thingy, or the 'Tufter' because I didn't think anybody would understand what they were. As they say, 'a picture is worth 1000 words!' I have every one of the rug tools, and will comment after I have time to look at everything. While I have all the tools for my LX, I don't have the wands, or a hose. My model LX hose is in bad shape, and in storage, the hose I have is a modern rubber hose from a vac shop, and wands from another brand. Any idea where I can get a braided hose? I hate this black rubber thing! I'm glad you are still part of the club, please keep in touch. Shoot me an email. Till tomorrow, Alex Taber |
Post# 212633 , Reply# 54   1/5/2013 at 00:23 (4,129 days old) by luxman107 (USA )   |   | |
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Alex, your knowledge of electeolux history is outstanding. Thanks. Learned so much in this thread about my favorite brand of vacuums. Rick, awesome pictures. Thanks for sharing them |
Post# 212634 , Reply# 55   1/5/2013 at 00:24 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi Gottahaveahoov:
Thanks for the info. I met Stacy in 1980, and she was very good to me. She opened her file cabinet and took out over 50 black and white glossy pictures of everything from the Model O, to a series of non electrics, and gave them to me. She was the person who brought John Lucia and I together, and gave us the names of the first members. John and I also made her an honorary member. I will miss her very much! As for not being in the club, it's not anything to do with the convention. but rather location. I live in Benton, Pa. which you probably know has no access to cell phone service. There was also no dsl, so I had no way to contact anybody. When I was planning to go to the Rainbow Roundup, I worked at a hotel in the town of Slatington, Pa,. My employer didn't want to let me attend the convention, but gave in. When I got home he fired me! From there, I went to Indiana to help my mother move into a retirement apartment. and then a friend I'd met while working for the hotel, asked me to return to Pa. and care for his father who was in advnced Alzhimers. My buddy's dad passed away on September 6. A week later we got hooked up to dsl, so here I am! This club, and the people in it have always been on my mind, and in my prayers. Please send me an email, as I'm now right around the corner. Glad I got back on line in time for the 30th Anniversary. Alex. |
Post# 212681 , Reply# 56   1/5/2013 at 10:43 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Great pictures!
As I look closely the triangular upholstry tool has the same trim as the model X11 dusting brush. Mine is black, and prewar XXX. The suction control tool is also model X11. The bare floor tool with the small logo is either late model X11, or early XXX. I'm wondering if the gray bakelite dusting brush, and upholstry tool could be for the model XX (20)? the machine was that color, and came out just before or during the war. As for the 'Tufter,' it had a very short life, and was LX and LXI only. (Correct me if I'm wrong!) As for the cords, they were made by the Belden wire conpany in Genevia, Illinois, (not far from Tarantula Arms!) I knew the head of research, Allan Douglass, (Doug), but he never told me the history of the vacuum cleaner cords. Belden also made cords for Hoover, Kirby, and ALL major brands. Tell me how you got that LX looking so good. I often give mine a good polishing, but can't get it looking that good. Any ideas? It's so good to be back in contact with the people who love and understand vacuum cleaners. Please keep in touch. Alex. |
Post# 212693 , Reply# 57   1/5/2013 at 11:28 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Now I have a question for the club.
As we all know the tools that went with the models X11 - LXI were replaced with the combination tools used with the E, and are still used today. However, the early General Electric Swivle top, also had a combination rug/floor tool. This was a flip design, whereas, Electrolux had the 'conector' thingy. Both were the same color two tone blue/gray, and looked very much alike. So did G. E. steal the idea from Electrolux, or was it the other way around? From a patent point of view, both were different, (sorta kinda) but clearly one copied the other. My guess is G. E. was first, as the early swivle top came out in 1952, and the Electrolux E, in 1954. But both needed aproval from the patent office. so which came first, G. E, or Electrolux? Alex. |
Post# 212751 , Reply# 58   1/5/2013 at 14:25 (4,129 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs)   |   | |
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So glad to see you posting again! As usual, your restorations put my machines to shame, but, no problem, I love looking at them. Provides inspiration for me to get to work. Just to clarify, the LX that I showed is Tania's. She wheedled it out of Hans Craig in a shrewd trade. When we get together, she brings her machines and we share with the group and then she vacuums my house. Brings me back to the fifties.
This thread is what this site should be all about. Sharing the history of vacuums, when they were truly wonderful works of art as well as functional. |
Post# 212793 , Reply# 59   1/5/2013 at 18:06 (4,129 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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How about a look at the underside of this great machine. Like the diaphram of the ejector, with or without the dial, and the compartment to store 3 wrappers. Also a shot of the front cover open with the ejector set, and another post ejection.
I have a lot of Electrolux info to share with the newer members of the club, as well as members who have read my histories before but may want to read them again. Tell me who I have to contact. I'm glad to be able to post again. Alex |
Post# 212809 , Reply# 60   1/5/2013 at 21:11 (4,128 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)   |   | |
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I just want to thank all of you for such awesome posts! I have learned so much from reading these postings and while I have several xxx/30's and a couple of lx's mine come nowhere close the beautiful machines I've seen in this thread! I am one of the newer members, and I love learning all I can learn from you all! It's folks like you that make this club so great, willing to share your wealth of knowledge and passion for vacuum cleaners with the rest of us! I hope I will get the opportunity to meet you all in the future, but just reading your posts really are an inspiration to me!
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Post# 212828 , Reply# 61   1/5/2013 at 23:19 (4,128 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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While all the vacuum cleaners are indeed wonderful to look at, I have to say that the area rug, the model LX is on is awesome! And please let Ms. Tania know how fantastic she looks in green.
If you want to learn the history of Electrolux, I wrote an in depth article several years ago. That as well as 'The history of the Non Electric,' 'History of the Electric," and 'The History of Kirby.' Each can be set to you via email. And this goes for anybody else on this thread. Fimally, let me say that the facelift is wonderful. Tarantula Arms was fantastic before, now it must be awesome. Thanks for starting Vacuum Land. Alex Taber. |
Post# 212906 , Reply# 62   1/6/2013 at 14:11 (4,128 days old) by luxman107 (USA )   |   | |
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Alex, I would love a copy of your in depth article on the Electrolux history. Thanks very much in advance. Mike |
Post# 212914 , Reply# 63   1/6/2013 at 15:23 (4,128 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 212916 , Reply# 64   1/6/2013 at 15:51 (4,128 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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When I wrote this we were just starting Vacuum Land, and it was intended to be published for all to read. Actually, it's a revised story that I wrote for our Electrolux issue in the winter of 1994. For that we had the Electrolux XXX on the cover, and the LX on the back cover. (See the two ads in this thread). But the newsletter I'm most proud of goes back to 1984. In this issue, I painstakingly positioned the pictures of the various prototypes of the ejector system, which were taken from my patent books. Maybe our Historian Marc T. can locate those pictures and post them, as their truly amazing.
When it comes to the history of Electrolux, Kirby, and the non electric vacuum cleaners, I have a wealth of information that I'd be glad to share. Alex Taber This post was last edited 01/06/2013 at 16:26 |
Post# 212920 , Reply# 65   1/6/2013 at 16:13 (4,128 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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This was an article used in the 1994 newsletter. The original went back to the late 1950's, and was published in the 'Electrolux News.' It seems that a group of Electrolux salesman went to the Electrolux museum located at the factory in Old Greenwich, Connecticut.
Being that I lived in Wallingford, Connecticut, a 45 minute drive from the Electrolux factory, I got to see this museum. Back in my boxes of club paperwork are the pictures of the tools, prototypes and what not. I also saw the canisters. Machines that were tested, but proclaimed 'not good enough' by the head engineers. These machines were increadible! I promise you that in the spring I will go to Indiana and get all my VCCC paperwork. I also plan to start a scrapbook of the various display rooms, as well as pictures of the first two club meetings, 1985, and 86. Needless to say, I'm having the time of my life on this thread, as it's about my two favorite models the LX and the XXX. Alex. |
Post# 212952 , Reply# 66   1/6/2013 at 22:00 (4,127 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 212987 , Reply# 68   1/7/2013 at 11:48 (4,127 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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That was my guess too, but being a vacuum cleaner historian, it's important to make sure my facts are correct.
As for that G. E. swivel top, it was two tone blue/gray. My grandmother gave one to her sister for a 25th wedding present. In 1968, I took that G. E. as a trade in (and kept it) when I sold her a new Electrolux 1205. That G. E. is now part of my collection. Thanks for confirming my feeling that it was indeed G. E.! Alex. |
Post# 212989 , Reply# 69   1/7/2013 at 12:06 (4,127 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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While I have a lot of praise for all the members sending info on models XXX, and LX, how about the other great models on sled runners? I know there are some guys with great pictures, and a lot of info on models V, X1, X11, and XX's out there. And how about a look at those wonderful instruction books. The book of the X11 is very impressive, the period costumes and hair styles are a hoot.
Thanks guys! Alex. |
Post# 212990 , Reply# 70   1/7/2013 at 12:12 (4,127 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)   |   | |
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I do have a question about these machines (and yes Alex I agree 100%, I too would love to see some of the even older sled runner models) The "leather" material that is on the top half of the XXX, is there a suitable replacement for that? I have on that is ripped and torn in multiple places and just looks awful so I'd like to replace it with something as close to the original as possible. I have been thinking about possibly a faux leather contact paper or something like that, but not totally sure what I need for it. If that's not possible, does someone have a pattern of the top cover (completley spread out) with measurements so I could create something custom? The cover I need to replace isn't decent enough to get a good measurement/pattern from and I don't want to mess up one of my good XXX's for a pattern. Thanks!
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Post# 212991 , Reply# 71   1/7/2013 at 12:13 (4,127 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 213099 , Reply# 72   1/8/2013 at 07:45 (4,126 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Does anybody have any information of the various wooden boxes used to store the models XXX, or LX? This can also be the earlier models like the V, X1, X11, and XX. I know of three. Two were custom made for Choate School in Wallingford, Connecticut, the other I got at an Electrolux dealership in Lonbard, Illinois.
What else is out there? Alex. |
Post# 213937 , Reply# 74   1/13/2013 at 17:28 (4,121 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 213961 , Reply# 78   1/13/2013 at 20:41 (4,120 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 213980 , Reply# 80   1/13/2013 at 23:24 (4,120 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere)   |   | |
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I have an extra lux xxx dusting brush if you still need one. |
Post# 214146 , Reply# 81   1/14/2013 at 21:46 (4,119 days old) by powermate1970 ()   |   | |
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YES, I'll definatly buy it from you, Thank-you. Drop me an email, and we can figure how you want paid and I'll get the money to you for the brush and shipping. thanks, Bill |
Post# 214173 , Reply# 83   1/15/2013 at 06:37 (4,119 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 214626 , Reply# 85   1/18/2013 at 09:17 (4,116 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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I just sent you an email re. the model LX companion, let me know if you got it.
As for the working mechenism of the model LX, this is not my expertise, but the history of Electrolux is. (Kirby too) I also have a short history of the vacuum cleaner, if you want them let me know. Send me an email at alextaber1@yahoo.com Alex |
Post# 214633 , Reply# 86   1/18/2013 at 12:08 (4,116 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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The LX Vacuum Cleaner is fairly straight forward; simple to take apart and adjust after you've done one.
The LX is extremely robustly engineered, there's very little that can break and refurbishment is easy. What a giggly treat when the slide is aligned & lubricated, mechanical adjustments tuned up and the bag shoots out 10 feet - and more. :-) The only thing not in this picture are the many differing length and size screws and bolts. I always insert them in a cardboard card to keep them getting mixed up. The Magic Brain components are easily understood and require little maintenance. The biggest problem on an LX is the deterioration and possible disconnection of the vinyl air tube running through the door hinge to the intake's pinhole bleed. Modern vinyl aquarium or rubber tubing replacement resolves this in a jiffy |
Post# 214634 , Reply# 87   1/18/2013 at 12:21 (4,116 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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The yellowed tube that connects the the bag door nozzle bleed to the main diaphragm trigger...and runs through the door hinge has usually hardened and cracked, disabling the Magic Brain action.
Replace this tube with an exact length new one - after cleaning the impacted dust from the bleed hole - and 99% of the time the LX performs flawlessly. Dave |
Post# 214637 , Reply# 88   1/18/2013 at 13:01 (4,116 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 214651 , Reply# 91   1/18/2013 at 14:37 (4,116 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Do any of you find it odd that the top to the model LX's spay gun is blak bakelite? That looks of strange! I mean, it should have been the same color as the polisher attatchment. Perhaps the engineers thought this was not going to be used, but even so, it should match the machine. What do you think?
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Post# 214657 , Reply# 92   1/18/2013 at 16:27 (4,116 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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It would probably be easier to explain in a hands-on demonstration with props...or you could wade through the Engineer-speak on the patent applications or the Serviceman's Manual.
But I'll give it a KISS shot. (Keep it simple, stupid) When the bag spring and attached bag 'sled' are folded and latched against the back of the bag chamber with a genuine Electrolux bag with sealed edge inserted, the bag/hose door is latched closed against its spring catch. According to pre-set launch settings, when the pressure differential created when the motor and fan are spinning suction between the bag chamber and the bleed hole inside the hose coupler intake goes past a certain balance point due to accumulation of dust within the bag closing up pores, this differential exhausts enough air from a large rubber diaphragm that pulls down a floating lever connected to the bag door latch and the launch sled rail. The door opens first on its coil-sprung hinges and drops flat to the floor at the same time that the interconnected power switch is flipped to OFF by a toggle wire. The dust-clogged bag now being sealed by residual suction to the rubber seal bag compartment rim, as the motor winds down the suction holding the bag in place lessens to the point that the spring latch, now in a half-cocked position, releases the powerful flat folded spring and shoots the bag support sled down the rail to its stops flinging the loose bag out of the machine. My record fling was achieved by filling a dust wrapper with a carved styrofoam block, btw) Each of these automatic actions has a external mechanical override lever so that the door can be opened or the bag ejected with the LX unplugged from the wall socket. On the first generation LXs without the control dial the single setting was established at the factory then fine-tuned in the purchaser's home. It was found that different above sea levels and particulate size of the household dust environment could cause the ejection to happen prematurely - Oh My! - before the bag was at full capacity, or not at all after the bag was beyond full. The quick-fix solution from the Factory or Dealer was the Attic & Cellar Key that jammed the release lever to maximum bag fill. These keys are scarce as hen's teeth but that's ok since most early LX's were retrofitted by the Servicemen with the control dial mechanism.You were advised to store the key under the power cord plug door on top of the machine. Not all LX's came with the cord re tractor - it was an up-sale option. The 2nd generation aluminum (later plastic) rotation dial addressed this failure to adapt to the various dust properties throughout the same home so that bags were not wasted unnecessarily and Milady could adjust the trip action as she pleased, from outdoor to basement to main floor to attic, from sea level to Denver heights. The final version of the LX (model 60), the LX1 (model 61), added features such as rear wheels on the runners and a flip sideways cord winder so that one didn't have to unscrew & remove the cordwinder to access the blower port. Whew! read over several times. Dave This post was last edited 01/18/2013 at 17:17 |
Post# 214664 , Reply# 93   1/18/2013 at 17:35 (4,116 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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In all my years of working with the model LX, I never knew the term for that flat thingy coiled up, and used to push the wrapper out of the dust chamber. Now I know, it was a 'sled!' There are so many terms not know by most of us, and yet, we know the machine better than the backs of our hands.
As for the picture, yes, I have this, and am glad you shared it with those who don't know the model LX like we do. However, I find it a bit disapointing that the person responsible for this photo shoot used this model which is a LXI (61) and did not use the LX which had the name Electrolux in red lettering on a yellow background, far more impressive from an advertizement point of view. And you can teach an old dog new tricks, because I never knew the winding down of the motor caused the rubber gasket to trip the latch under the diaphram, and activate the sled. Do I have permission to use this discription in future referances to the LX updates of the History of Electrolux? I'm planning a much longer version in the near future. Thakns again. Alex. |
Post# 214694 , Reply# 94   1/18/2013 at 21:17 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 214697 , Reply# 95   1/18/2013 at 21:55 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Dave' you mentioned that the first generation LX's were fine tuned in the customers home. My model LX has a tiny belly button like thing just below, and slighly left of the lever to open the front cover. Was this were the salesman pre set the mchenism, or is that just a nick in the front cover?
I've read your discription over several times. Awesome! Thanks for wording it so well. By the way, do you know the history of the Electrolux Corporation. I've written several versions of it, but the earliest is on of the best, as i also follow the k.i.s.s. metheod. If you want a copy let me know. |
Post# 214698 , Reply# 96   1/18/2013 at 22:02 (4,115 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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It might have looked more impressive but Electrolux Marketing chose to show the concurrently available bare sleek machine tossing out a bag. That was the focus of this expensive advert. The ad dates from 1954 and the coloured plastic inserts were no longer available.
Resides the Companion was an up sale option. I don't believe I've seen a color print ad for the first LX other than the 1952/53 Owners Manual. Remember also that this double page print add was for the second edition LX with plain stainless steel trim plates, another bean counter directive in exchange for the dial, I'm sure. Dial-less LXs are the hardest to find because of Electrolux's diligence in hunting them down and fitting the dial. The model LX Model 60 was introduced in 1952, the plain side LX appeared new in 1954 with the control dial (which was widely retrofitted to the early models, and the LXI was introduced in 1955 with wheels on the runners, a newly designed rug nozzle that was partly made of blue plastic, and the very last of the LXIs had blue-plastic dusting brushes and upholstery nozzles. The LXI was produced for less than a year as the lightweight Model E came online with the same new tools and the combo upholstery/dusting brush. That's what the decades of research tells me and that's good enough for me. I simply cannot call a 2nd generation LX a model 61 LXI - it's not stamped under the strap handle trim piece plates of either of my 3 nor have I seen the stamping on anyone else's unless they are genuine 1955 LXIs... Dave (My apologies for hijacking the original Lux model 30/XXX tools thread but after Crevicetool's contribution it seemed fitting to do so. I had no idea it was going to gallop to such length for what should have been a separate LX/LXI thread.) This is the Service Technician's Kit for adjusting the first version dial-less LX in the customer's home or on the bench. It requires the unbolting of the pneumatic unit with the door attached. 3 bolts, iirc. The 14 page illustrated booklet is excruciatingly comprehensive. This post was last edited 01/19/2013 at 01:31 |
Post# 214703 , Reply# 97   1/18/2013 at 22:29 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Many times over the years I've told the story of how it was the Electrolux model LX of a dear friend that started it all. But I've never told the full story.
As I've often said the lady who owned the Electrolux was Jeanette Pletincks, and she was like a second mother to me. I've also told how I made a pest of myself, waiting to see it 'pop.' When I started working for Electrolux in 1968, my first demo of the new 1205, was to Jeanette. My secret hope was that she'd buy the 1205, so I could keep her LX. No way, she did not buy. She kept that Electrolux to the day she died, which was in 1985. By then I'd moved to Naperville, Illinois. One day, a few months after her death, there was a knock on the door, and there was a UPS driver. "I have a delivery for you" he said as he handed me a huge cardboard box. "You must have the wrong house, I didn't order anything" I said. Then he said, "It says Bobby Taber!" I was only Bobby to a few people, so I took the box. Inside was Jeanette's LX, the only thing not original was the cord winder, seems the original's spring had sprung and was replaced. But there it was What I did not know was that back when I was a kid, Jeanette had told her husband that this LX would be mine. Needless to say it went into my display, but befor that I used it to create my own version of the inside of the instruction book. See what you think. |
Post# 214708 , Reply# 98   1/18/2013 at 22:46 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 214789 , Reply# 101   1/19/2013 at 11:08 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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I've addressed this subject in detail in my article 'The History Of The Electrolux Corporation,' which was published in several newsletters. However, here is a brief excerp telling about the minor repairs in the field.
'There were problems right from the start with this Electrolux, though they were minor, they were numerous enough to force the engineering department to improve the machine. The ejector worked as intended, but all too often the front cover didn't open fast enough, or not at all, and this caused the bags to burst under pressure. This sent dust and dirt into the motor chamber and had to be repaired, or replaced at the expence of Electrolux. It was decided to put a retard dial on the front cover in order to slow down the ejection process.' I have since rewritten this article, and go into far more detail. If you want a copy let me know and I'll get it to you. Alex. |
Post# 214812 , Reply# 102   1/19/2013 at 13:50 (4,115 days old) by Smith (North Carolina)   |   | |
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Wow, awesome thread. The LX has always been one of my favorite Luxes. Very nice examples in this thread! |
Post# 214833 , Reply# 104   1/19/2013 at 17:41 (4,115 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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This has grown like a weed, and I love it. Big Fred said it so well, this is what the club is all about. There can be no doubt that the Electrolux model LX in any form,, from first generation to the last LXI that rolled off the assembly line at the factory in Old Greenwich, Connecticut was the most advanced vacuum cleaner of it's time.
And I hope this thread continues, as there's a lot more info on Electrolux models as well as the XXX and LX. Alex Taber. |
Post# 214836 , Reply# 105   1/19/2013 at 17:44 (4,115 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Fun Things to do with your Lux...
I'll say! No machine is foolproof and at times I am the most maniacal cackling mad scientist fool in the room. :-) Great to hear from you, Rick. I've tried to keep my humour quotient up to your lofty standards but, well, Nobody does it better Makes me feel sad for the rest. Nobody does it half as good as you Baby, you're the best. Dave |
Post# 214851 , Reply# 106   1/19/2013 at 19:59 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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The Electrolux Engineers began working on the prototypes for the LX perhaps as early as 1948/49. By 1950 they were applying for patents of the various mechanisms under development, although, as is the practice the Patent would not be officially granted until 1955, three years after the debut.
Several bag ejecting solutions were tested, such as this scheme to use a 'scissors' rack to thrust and guide the sled forward. Note that at this early juncture the exterior shape of the LX was not locked in. |
Post# 214853 , Reply# 107   1/19/2013 at 20:02 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 214855 , Reply# 108   1/19/2013 at 20:05 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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The spring loaded scissors were designed to pull the sled forward while guiding it's trajectory with a geared connection of the arms at one end.
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Post# 214857 , Reply# 109   1/19/2013 at 20:10 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Unfortunately the integrated spring proved too weak to push out a heavy full wrapper.
Another means of propulsion was considered - a tempered steel coiled watch spring under the sled (this same principle used in post LX cord-winders to this day). This post was last edited 01/19/2013 at 20:32 |
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You all are amazing with all these pictures, engineering diagrams ,patents and history. Thanks for posting. This thread is priceless. Thanks |
Post# 214859 , Reply# 111   1/19/2013 at 20:11 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Post# 214862 , Reply# 112   1/19/2013 at 20:24 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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In the end, tho', keeping it simple and less prone to maintenance of the various levers & hinge points it was determined best to use a single rail to guide the sled reliably down the bag chamber.
Even then a more powerful spring was desired. As highlighted in red, the solution was found in a 4" wide tempered steel band spring folded double and hinge-attached against the sled and back wall fan case. It took up less space than the coil, was reliable for long service and allowed the bag to be larger and the vacuum body to be shorter. Fully deployed it is the exact length needed to run the sled to it's stops when released negating any further metal fatigue stress at the attachment points. I have never known one of these band springs to either snap in half or become deformed from decades of folded & cocked inaction. Brilliant engineering. |
Post# 214863 , Reply# 113   1/19/2013 at 20:29 (4,114 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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This idea from 1945 is too groovy to leave out. Eject the bag with a diverted blast of exhaust.
Here an excerpt from a communication from Alex Taber providing even more food for thought in the early genesis and development of a self-ejecting Dust Wrapper: "The Jack-in-the-box canister, XXX side ejecting, lofting top (like a cannon) design, the one with the exhaust tube resting atop the main housing, and the one where the housing lifts off the runners, pops the front cover, ejects the wrapper, and unlatches the hose coupling, and the most odd designs that I think the club will find interesting" |
Post# 214938 , Reply# 115   1/20/2013 at 12:58 (4,114 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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All because of a simple question about an Electrolux attatchment, this wonderful thread has just gon on and on. Everything from basic tools to some awesome patents have graced this thread. By now it's clear that I'm not alone in the love of the model LX, and as I have a lot more to share, this thread will continue.
Just wait till I get my book 'Electrolux, the first 40 years 1924 - 1964,' as it's full of info like Sarah the cat. The 'Companion' is boxed, along with some history on the vacuum cleaner, especially about Electrolux' that I think you'll enjoy. Once again, thanks for starting this thread. Robert Alexander Taber |
Post# 214939 , Reply# 116   1/20/2013 at 13:11 (4,114 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 214945 , Reply# 118   1/20/2013 at 13:35 (4,114 days old) by powermate1970 ()   |   | |
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Post# 214946 , Reply# 119   1/20/2013 at 13:36 (4,114 days old) by powermate1970 ()   |   | |
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I'm just so livid with myself over this!!!! |
Post# 214947 , Reply# 120   1/20/2013 at 13:38 (4,114 days old) by powermate1970 ()   |   | |
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I don't see an ajustment "knob" that everybody is talking about. |
Post# 214969 , Reply# 121   1/20/2013 at 15:31 (4,114 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Sorry about the damage, but if you've saved the broken piece, it can be repired with little notice. There are special glues out there, and while there'll be a deep scratch, the machine will work fine. At it's age, a few dents, scratches and what not are understandable.
The dial is not on the inside of the front cover, but in the part called the diaphram. Stand the cleaner on the cord winder, and look to the right, there should be a dial which reads 'hasten/retard' with an arrow. If it's not there then it is indeed a first generation, like the one shown here. I noticed the wheels, they were an optional tool that went with the LXI, also the cord winder is in hammertone blue. The original were chrome, and the nameplates are also LXI. However, all this is cosmetic. Why? wheels, cord winder, nameplate are all interchangable, as is the diaphram. Nobody can say for sure if the previous owner didn't change them. I know I have taken a LXI, and turned it into a LX (many times!) Now is there a swivle caster on the bottom? If not, then there should be an oblong space, and roller thingy. This was a special compartment to store 3 wrappers (bags). The swivl caster is another option used with the LXI. The best way to date the machine is to look at the top piece where the handle is. On the left (same side as the front cover latch) it should read. "Model LX DC to 60 cycles AC 116 Volts 535 Watts UL." If it is indeed a LXI, it will say so here. There is a way to test the ejection system manualy, but be sure you have your fingers clear of the ejector, and be prepared for a loud BANG! On the left side of the diaphran is a lever, with the front cover open, and the ejector pushed down, ( space for the bag), press that lever upward. If it will not move, then it will need major surgery. (Which means a printout from me) however, if it works correctly, the ejector should pop. So test the ejector, and let us know how it works. Think I'll email you the printout anyway, so you know the entire process, and how to repair it. Alex Taber. |
Post# 214974 , Reply# 122   1/20/2013 at 16:08 (4,114 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Printout was sent, the chip is not that bad. The above picture is from the late 1970's, and is first generation LX with no dial.
The 'Companion' I have for you has the holder for the crevice tool, however, the upholstry tool will need to be up-side-down. Still I think it should work fine. Once it's cleaned up, that LX/LXI should shine like a new penny, and work great. Between Dave and I, we'll see to that. Alex |
Post# 214993 , Reply# 123   1/20/2013 at 18:02 (4,114 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 215012 , Reply# 124   1/20/2013 at 20:11 (4,113 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 215165 , Reply# 126   1/21/2013 at 17:24 (4,113 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Before going to all that delay, try soaking the piece overnight in a bowl of Rust release solution from a hardware or autoparts store. It will enter and saturate the corroded areas and make removal almost a sure thing.
Do not soak any Bakelite or plastic parts in rust-breaker. They are best brushed clean with a brass metal-bristled suede brush or abrasive dish pad. While you're in there, it is also advisable to open up the clear plastic differential 'puck/drum' enclosure - a few screws - and clean out any fine dust accumulation under the rubber diaphragm and in the nipples. Dave This post was last edited 01/21/2013 at 18:45 |
Post# 215181 , Reply# 127   1/21/2013 at 18:49 (4,112 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 215183 , Reply# 128   1/21/2013 at 18:54 (4,112 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 215205 , Reply# 129   1/21/2013 at 20:19 (4,112 days old) by powermate1970 ()   |   | |
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YES, YES, YES!!! Thats it. I can still kick myself in the *** for not getting my grubby mitts on it before it went in the trash.LOL |
Post# 215222 , Reply# 130   1/21/2013 at 21:48 (4,112 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi my friend:
I'm not sure if this model X1 is in my storage unit back in Indiana, or not. (I might have given it to somebody back in California.) But if it is in there, then it's yours! I plan to go to Indiana in the spring, most likely, in April. In the previous post with the 'Electrolux wall of fame,' the models are V, X11, XXX, XX (20), LX, E, 1205, and L. The last is a LXI in a cut-away to show how the ejector works. From 1985 to 1995, club headquarters was located in Naperville, Illinois. In the early days, my collection, which was also the club museum, was located in a spare bedroom. However, by 1993 the collection had outgrown the room, so I converted My 3 car garage, into the museum. |
Post# 215230 , Reply# 131   1/21/2013 at 22:03 (4,112 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The club museum in Naperville, Illinois, around 1986. Sorry that these are mostly Kirby's, as they don't fit this thread, but it's the only pictire I have. The Electrolux wall of fame as seen in the previous post was on the wall to the right. The models were the V, X1, X11, XXX, XX, LX, LXI, E, T (Thrift model), E, G, 1205, and I think L.
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Post# 215282 , Reply# 132   1/22/2013 at 09:43 (4,112 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)   |   | |
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There was an ad in Business Week(or similar)from the company that supplied glue and/or paper for the then new 'wrappers'describing the quality of their products that met Elux need for strength when ejected. |
Post# 215635 , Reply# 133   1/24/2013 at 15:07 (4,110 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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The Electrolux Companion is on it's way. Bitter cold here, and snow up to my ..., took till today to get the driveway plowed. The truck couldn't make it, (not good on icy roads) but the Suburu Forester did! (That can handle anything!!) I also included several bits of vacuum cleaner history that I wrote back in 2005, and were in my files. As I said, after the trip to Indiana, I'll have all my Electrolux notes, books, instruction books, ads and so on. I really miss the patent books, but that'll have to wait.
I really had a lot of fun chatting about Electrolux, Kenmore, and so on. In my files is a report John Lucia did on the vacuum cleaners in the sears catalougs, starting with the non electric Dust Killer of 1909. (Pictured here.) Thanks again. Alex Taber. |
Post# 215656 , Reply# 134   1/24/2013 at 16:30 (4,110 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Alex, you were already high on my list of fellers I know I'd enjoy meeting in person and having a vacuum gabfest with but now you're shot up even higher in my admiration.
You drive and have a SUBARU! Woo-hoo. I'm on my 3 & 4th ones. Since the day I got my first one used years back I've been devoted to the brand. Compact, entry level luxury, build quality, and then the tenacious mountain goat traction and reliabilitry in winter when outfitted with real Winter tires... My current vehicles and as I say, 3rd & 4th are a 2006 Newport Blue over Graphite Outback XT turbo wagon and now my mid life crisis/retirement car, the Blackberry (officially Black Pearl with subtle ruby red undertone metalflake) Spaceboy Dreamship 1997 Subaru SVX Luxury Touring Coupe. I know we have a member in St Louis that drives a Forester and please forgive me I am having a brainfart recalling his name...and I even stayed in his house for a few days. Oh, I am ashamed and embarrassed. :-( Anyone else here drive Subarus? We should start a thread in Off Topic. Dave Photo from 2 days ago while tootling around town by the river in the sub zero weather. Like all Subarus, drives and handles like it's clamped to rails. |
Post# 215694 , Reply# 136   1/24/2013 at 20:00 (4,109 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 215699 , Reply# 137   1/24/2013 at 20:28 (4,109 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada)   |   | |
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Alex, the SVX is black pearl with an all leather tan/sand interior. In sunlight there is a metallic undertone of ruby red that shimmers but does not turn the car red. Premium factory 3 stage process that all SVXs had regardless of colors. In 1997 this was a CN$42,000 car. Back then the Canadian dollar was worth about 65 cents American.
Due to work schedules the only Convention I have been able to attend was Minneapolis, since discovering and joining the club in 2007. I will be in Milwaukee this coming June. It's a matter that I am a trouble-shooting technical director/crew supervisor attending backstage while the shows are on, at a large 5 stage Repertory summer theatre where I've been employed going on 37 years. It is rarely possible to simply take a week or a few days off from my duties when others are depending on me, particularly as I bargained 9-10 consecutive weeks paid vacation about 10 years ago. Sweet deal I will not tamper with. But, as I near the retirement years and have a large staff and Minnesota and Wisconsin are a relatively straight line from Stratford across Michigan to the Milwaukee ferry I pulled a few strings and called in flavors to persuade Management that I had earned this perk. My other major hobby being mechanical Music Machines I have attended a few of their Conventions, also held in a different city every year around June/July but as it is in San Francisco this year, that's out of the question. I will not fly commercially and dang, that's a long drive. :-) Dave CLICK HERE TO GO TO aeoliandave's LINK This post was last edited 01/24/2013 at 20:45 |
Post# 215703 , Reply# 138   1/24/2013 at 21:05 (4,109 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi Dave, the love of theater and vacuum cleaner history are the two loves of my life. Not only was I blessed in knowing a great deal about vacuum cleaners, I was also privilaged to know at an early age, some of the most promonant people in musical theater. Icon's of the 50's and 60's, and singers of the most sucessfull shows of the time. But the icing on the cake, was that my family knew the real Maria Von Trapp. And yes, she did have an Electrolux!!!
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Post# 217448 , Reply# 139   2/3/2013 at 20:43 (4,099 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)   |   | |
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I promised Alex Tabor (caligula) some time ago that I would post photos of my latest project. It's not completely finished, but here's what I have so far! I took an old Electrolux XXX that was a complete basket-case, not running, handle broken, metal tarnished/filthy, etc. I decided to completely re-work this machine over and see what I could do to bring new life back into it! I completely disassembled the vacuum and cleaned/sanitized it from one end to the other. I hand polished all of the shiny metal parts until they looked better, installed a brand new Ametek Lamb motor (1300 watts, slightly higher than the original 535 watt motor it had in it!), purchased paper bags to go in it (however I was able to salvage and clean the original cloth bag and after motor filter), bought a new hose for it, new handle and power cord for it, and decided to create a storage box for it.
I know the purists among us will cringe at this idea, but had I not saved this vacuum cleaner and rebuilt it as such, it was headed for a crusher at the dump, so while it may not be a perfect original machine, I am pleased at how it turned out. I'm still working on cleaning/polishing the original chrome accessories/tubes/etc. Thanks to Alex, I now have an air polisher that I will be putting in the box and I'm always on the look-out for XXX vacs and parts. Let me know what you all think! Thanks! |
Post# 217449 , Reply# 140   2/3/2013 at 20:48 (4,099 days old) by s31463221 (Frenchburg, KY)   |   | |
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Post# 217465 , Reply# 141   2/3/2013 at 22:00 (4,099 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 217692 , Reply# 142   2/5/2013 at 10:01 (4,098 days old) by rugsucker (Elizabethton TN)   |   | |
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The BOX!!!WOW!Any for Mo G?----Powermate1970-Not forgotten your LX.Saw one under XXXs in warehouse.Now to go through snow and cold to get and test. |
Post# 365840 , Reply# 143   1/29/2017 at 18:40 (2,644 days old) by crazykirbydude (Lexington, KY)   |   | |
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Here's my Model 30. I have the rug tool and the bakelite sprayer, but they're somewhere in storage. I even have the manual! Any idea what year this is from?!?!
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Post# 416632 , Reply# 145   11/27/2019 at 18:37 (1,612 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Happy Thanksgiving to you too Jeff:
I have very happy memories of the days when all of us were posting hot and heavy on these early Electrolux's. Maybe we can get the experts to work their magic again and help you put this treasure to work for you. As I suggested, get the instruction book, it will provide a wealth of information . Alex Taber. |
Post# 416636 , Reply# 146   11/27/2019 at 18:57 (1,611 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Jeff:
May I suggest not going with the Brasso, instead try Mothers polish, it will make the chrome sparkle. And try not to get it on the leatherette. Actually cleaning polishing these are super easy. Glad to know the ejection system works, no surgery. Now make up a test wrapper (the correct term for the disposable bags of that time). Attachments and optional tools are easy to find on eBay and I'll see what I can locate for you. So read the posts here, soak up the info. as this thread has advice from the best minds of both Vacuumland and the V.C.C.C. Oh, while I think of it. The name Caligula refers to the cat in the pic above. He was the only mascot the V.C.C.C. ever had, and it translates to 'little boots,' for the gold markings on his paws. |
Post# 416804 , Reply# 147   12/1/2019 at 21:12 (1,607 days old) by RugPileDial ()   |   | |
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Auto-sol polish has not given great results on first try...will try Flitz next and then Mother’s.
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Post# 416813 , Reply# 148   12/2/2019 at 00:43 (1,607 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 416829 , Reply# 149   12/2/2019 at 11:23 (1,607 days old) by RugPileDial ()   |   | |
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Here’s a link to YouTube video of turning on my “new” Electrolux LX for the first time. CLICK HERE TO GO TO RugPileDial's LINK |
Post# 416832 , Reply# 150   12/2/2019 at 17:56 (1,607 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 416851 , Reply# 152   12/3/2019 at 01:07 (1,606 days old) by RugPileDial ()   |   | |
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Should I take it in for service? I’ve got a vac shop three blocks away. Kitty’s name is Cocoa and dogs name is Oscar...will try and see if he’d like to be in upcoming vacuum video! Thanks everyone! |
Post# 416858 , Reply# 153   12/3/2019 at 06:22 (1,606 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 417189 , Reply# 156   12/12/2019 at 15:44 (1,597 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 417191 , Reply# 157   12/12/2019 at 18:50 (1,596 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 417564 , Reply# 159   12/24/2019 at 21:14 (1,584 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Decided to put my all-time favorite vacuum cleaner to work for a final touch-up.
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Post# 418087 , Reply# 160   1/3/2020 at 19:59 (1,574 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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And soon a box of the original 'wrappers,' as Electrolux called their filtered disposable bags in 1952, which I just bought on eBay will be added. The motto was "See no dirt, Touch no dirt, Breathe no dirt!" This model LX is 67 years old and still works like a champ. Not ashamed to say its my daily driver.
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Post# 418113 , Reply# 161   1/4/2020 at 13:19 (1,574 days old) by Dch112 (Concord, CA)   |   | |
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How long have you had it? Mine I believe to be a 1954 model. It has the chrome name plate, not the pretty yellow and red like yours. Mine's been in the family since late 60's or very early 70's. |
Post# 418116 , Reply# 162   1/4/2020 at 14:02 (1,574 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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But my connection to it goes back to about 1953. This was the very Electrolux I watched eject when I was about two years old. The lady who owned it had her husband send it to me just before or after she died. She told him she always intended it to be mine. And it is my most treasured possession.
When I got it all parts were original except for the plug on the cord winder. But I had several Belden plugs, so I put on a cord winder from a model LXI for this photo shoot, and soldered the Belden plug on the winder. It is all original now.
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Post# 419315 , Reply# 163   1/30/2020 at 11:52 (1,548 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Post# 430219 , Reply# 164   8/17/2020 at 11:03 (1,348 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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This is the thread I was speaking about. Lots of interesting trivia. Pictured here is the post war model XXX with cord winder, Companion (tool holder,) and power polisher.
Enjoy, Alex Taber.
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Post# 430224 , Reply# 165   8/17/2020 at 11:28 (1,348 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi Brandon:
To clear up any confusion on my username, I'm Alex, Caligula was a red seal-point Siamese cat, shown on the chair in my avatar. He was named for the gold fur on his paws, not after the Roman Emperor. Caligula means little boots in Latin. He was the only mascot the Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club ever had, and was a great host at the annual meetings. Those were held every May, in Naperville, Illinois between 1986 and 1993. Those were fun times. Alex. |
Post# 430225 , Reply# 166   8/17/2020 at 11:39 (1,348 days old) by Brando_husky (Las Vegas Nevada)   |   | |
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Thanks for the details!
Did the prewar tools not have bumpers on them? Mine seem to not have any and just wondering if they disintegrated over the years |
Post# 430228 , Reply# 167   8/17/2020 at 12:09 (1,348 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hi Brandon:
You have to remember that these go back 70+ years for the model XXX, and 68 for the LX. The rubber has long since dried out, this is especially true with the hoses. Its virtually impossible to find a hose for these models that holds its suction. I have several tools that have bumpers in good condition, but they still have cracks due to age. The thread I directed you to will go into all these tools, and show some stunning pictures. |
Post# 430491 , Reply# 168   8/23/2020 at 16:11 (1,342 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Here is the thread I was referring to, it is a virtual goldmine for those history buffs interested in the of the Electrolux Corporation.
When this thread was first started my files were stored away in another state, over the years I was able to retrieve those files and add additional facts. Granted there is not a lot about the cord winder, but perhaps we can breath new life into this thread and take it a step further. Your model E-Automatic is a great place to start. And this pic will give you a look at the E-Automatic with the halo and the cord wrapped in place. Alex.
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Post# 449364 , Reply# 170   1/19/2022 at 09:27 (828 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Hoover3ooo:
Here is the thread on the model LX, and the polisher attachment you sold me
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Post# 449365 , Reply# 171   1/19/2022 at 10:09 (828 days old) by Hoover300 (Kentucky)   |   | |
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Post# 458387 , Reply# 172   12/3/2022 at 01:31 (510 days old) by Caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut)   |   | |
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Here is what the early model LX looked like when it was new back in 1952. This was given to me by the husband of the lady who got me interested at the age of two, or three. He shipped it to me after she died in 1985. The only change is the cord winder. Hers was missing the Belden plug, so I used this winder from a LXI, the correct winder is on it now.
Chris: Here's the thread I wanted you to see. Enjoy. Alex Taber. |
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