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Thread Number: 19184
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| Post# 211764 12/30/2012 at 08:51 (4,135 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
Hello all -- I'm new to the board. I'm using a Fantom Thunder I purchased in 1997 that I've been thrilled with but am looking to replace for reasons which I'll explain shortly. I understand Fantom reviews have been mixed at best; apparently I either bought early enough (it seems most of the Fantom problems are with post-'98 models) or I just got lucky; 16 years of nearly constant use and never a problem -- none of the electrical failures or power losses that seem to plague many units. Living in an apartment in Manhattan with a variety of floor surfaces (hardwood, thick plush and shag rugs, and linoleum), and lots of furniture creating many nooks and crannies, I've been forever grateful for Fantom's ingenious "wand" design that allows immediate switching between beater brush to hose, which I do frequently every time I sweep. I have been consistently blown away by the unit's suction, and the volume of crap it picks up even during my "light" cleaning days.
OK. Now the reason for which I'm shopping around to replace my beloved Fantom. First of all, it's about as loud as a Boeing 737 just before takeoff. Living in an apartment in Manhattan, this severely limits my ability to vacuum to no earlier than 8 AM and no later than 9 PM (which for most people is no problem, but for myself, who works odd hours and frequently does the housecleaning between 10 PM and 1 AM, creates an inconvenience). Second -- and more primarily -- it's dusty. VERY dusty. Emptying the bagless chamber sends up a plume of dust in my kitchen, and I find I have to actually wipe the entire unit down each time I use it. That's really my only complaint, but it's a nagging one. So I've been looking at the entire universe of vacuum cleaners that seems to have expanded by leaps and bounds since I purchased my Fantom 16 years ago, and I'm really at a loss and could use some advice. -- I have an unlimited budget. Money is no object; I'm willing to pay for quality. -- I have no preference over upright versus canister, but (correct me if I'm wrong) it's my understanding that uprights clean carpeting better than canisters. My preference is to have whatever performs best on my rugs versus whatever works best on ALL surfaces. -- I've been partial to Kirby because of it's apparent pure suction power, but the deal-killer has always been that you can't deploy the hose attachments without a major hassle. After exhaustive research, I've tentatively settled on Miele's top of the line upright. I'm impressed with the quality, the "swivel" design, and the entirely closed bagging system. But here's the detail that's keeping me from making the purchase: The VOLUME of "dirt" that the unit picks up. The bags in both the Miele upright and canister models are quite small. And what little I've heard about the frequency of bag changes is that with "average" use I can expect to change them at most once a month. !!! Once a month??!! I have to empty out the dust chamber on my Fantom (which appears to hold at least TWICE as much capacity as the Miele bags) after EVERY SINGLE USE! Common sense is telling me that while my Fantom is apparently blowing dust all over the place, it's still trapping a good EIGHT TIMES as much crap as what the Miele apparently picks up. Comments, anyone?? | ||
| Post# 211768 , Reply# 1 12/30/2012 at 09:11 (4,135 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
It is hard to compare the two vacuums as far as volume of dirt picked up. There are all sorts of factors involved, including the differences in how a bagless vac spins the dirt and how a bagged vac compacts the dirt in a bag. If you had wall-to-wall carpeting everywhere, you'd be better off with separate upright and canister cleaners because you can get uprights with very large bags. But since you have a mix, you will probably not need to change the bag that frequently. It all depends on how dirty your home gets (dusty location, open windows, kids or pets, etc)
If expense is no option, the Miele uprights are top rated in Consumer Reports and excel at noise reduction. Some find these uprights a bit heavy, so the best alternative is the Sebo Felix Premium at $600. It׳s a very lightweight upright vac that offers lots of optional attachments. It's also very quiet and has a decent size bag. Go to the Sebo website for more details. Or search Youtube for some videos on this easy to use vac. Good luck! | ||
| Post# 211773 , Reply# 3 12/30/2012 at 09:31 (4,135 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 211774 , Reply# 4 12/30/2012 at 09:40 (4,135 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Just some other differences between the Sebo Felix and the Miele uprights:
The Mieles have a headlight, the Sebo power head does not. You can get an optional extension hose for the Sebo which will make using attachments even easier. You can't get a longer extension hose for the Miele uprights. The Sebo allows you to remove the power nozzle completely and attach a smaller parquet floor brush which turns the vac into an electric broom which is MUCH more maneuverable in a small apartment filled with furniture. You can also buy an optional shoulder strap to carry the main unit like a canister to clean your furniture. Not sure how long the cord is on the Mieles, but the Sebo Felix has a nice long 35 foot cord. Here is a youtube clip from a vac shop showing some of the great features of this multifunction vac: CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 211787 , Reply# 5 12/30/2012 at 11:14 (4,135 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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The new aerus lux platinum is a great machine. The thing I love most about Electrolux(aerus) if you ever need service or supplies they come to your house. | ||
| Post# 211789 , Reply# 6 12/30/2012 at 11:54 (4,134 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Kirby Sentria II the attachments never have bothered me .
I use my Aerus Lux Platnium canister and love that also along with my Aerus Guardian Upright. I also use my Rainbow E4 Black the newest one out . I had a Miele twist upright and I sold it . It was too bulky and the bags are tiny. I can`t find anything to like about any Sebo the automatic height adjustment on the uprights constantly adjusts and my carpets never seem to get groomed properly. | ||
| Post# 211806 , Reply# 8 12/30/2012 at 14:35 (4,134 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 211808 , Reply# 9 12/30/2012 at 14:48 (4,134 days old) by bagintheback  (Flagstaff, Arizona) |
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I'm surprised not many people have have suggested the new Rainbow. It sounds perfect for you. It both vacuums and deep cleans carpet and hard floors (mopping & hot water exaction). I hear the water filtration is amazing at controlling large amounts of dust, and you will never have to worry about full bags.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO bagintheback's LINK 
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| Post# 211830 , Reply# 10 12/30/2012 at 16:00 (4,134 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Matt,
If you live in an apartment, my advice is to keep your vacuum set-up simple. Though there many loyal fans of Kirby vacs and Rainbow vacs, I have never been one of them. The Kirby is too noisy, the Rainbow requires too much maintenance to empty and keep clean and both are too bulky for the confined spaces of an apartment. Looking at Consumer Reports test results, if money is no option, to me the easiest solution is two simple but high performing vacs: Get the Hoover Lightweight Platinum bagged upright for all your carpets, and get a suction-only Miele canister with a wide array of tools for everything else. Most of the noise people living under you hear is caused by the beater brush roll of an upright. Though the Hoover is quieter than a Kirby, it performs just as well and is easier to use. If it's early in the morning, or late at night you can always use the Miele canister (even for surface cleaning of your rugs) as it is extremely quiet. You can deep clean your carpets at other times with the Hoover. Don't be too concerned with the size of the Miele bags. Since you won't be using it to deep clean your rugs, the bag won't get full very fast and you can pop in a new bag every 3 months. The Hoover Platinum Bagged Upright has a very large easy to change bag. Hope this helps!!! Eurekaprince Brian | ||
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Post# 211836 , Reply# 12 12/30/2012 at 17:11 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Sanitaire SC679 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211838 , Reply# 13 12/30/2012 at 17:12 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Sanitaire SC3683 straight suction canister. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211839 , Reply# 14 12/30/2012 at 17:15 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the attachment set for the Sanitaire SC679 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211840 , Reply# 15 12/30/2012 at 17:17 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Sanitaire S635 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211841 , Reply# 16 12/30/2012 at 17:20 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Eureka Boss 1934 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211842 , Reply# 17 12/30/2012 at 17:23 (4,134 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Sanitaire DuraLite SC9050 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 211962 , Reply# 20 12/31/2012 at 13:23 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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If you really want a Kirby, I recommend a rebuilt Heritage II or a rebuilt Legend or a rebuilt Legend II. These models outclean the Generation 3/G4/G5/Gsix/Ultimate G/Diamond Edition/Sentria/Sentria II models. | ||
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Post# 211964 , Reply# 21 12/31/2012 at 13:30 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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If you really want a Rainbow, I recommend a rebuilt SE or a rebuilt SE PE or a rebuilt E-Series 1-speed. These models do not have the electronic controls which go bad. | ||
| Post# 211977 , Reply# 24 12/31/2012 at 16:37 (4,133 days old) by nycwriter (New York City) | ||
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Thank you all for your responses!
A couple of points: -- Living in an apartment (not a small apartment, but not a 4,000 square foot house either), I really don't have the *closet* space for more than one vacuum cleaner. -- I don't mind bulk and weight (I'm a weightlifter myself). -- I'm willing to compromise on the noise issue (I'm sure just about anything would be an improvement over the jet engine that apparently powers my Fantom). -- I've learned (as Vacuumfreeke pointed out above) that "professional" or "commercial" units -- despite usually being built stronger -- often perform worse in the home than in commercial settings because most commercial carpeting has "barely there" pile, as opposed to the wide ranges of plush we have in our homes. I'm truly impressed with so many of you and your collections. LOVE looking at your photos! The only thing keeping me from going overboard myself is my obvious lack of space. Unless you own a townhouse in Manhattan, you don't have virtually unlimited garage/attic/basement space for curating such collections. | ||
| Post# 211988 , Reply# 26 12/31/2012 at 18:10 (4,133 days old) by nycwriter (New York City) | ||
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Themieleman ...
I'm not a fan of the Dyson -- just looks and feels very cheaply made (and I've heard and seen many comments to that effect). In terms of service, I have my own sweeper repair man (yes, believe it or not, they still exist in NYC -- mine even offers free pick-up and delivery!). It's important, though, for the vacs themselves to be well-built and not requiring esoteric and hard-to-obtain parts. As for my Fantom "salesman", "he" is still around. His name is "Bed, Bath, and Beyond." | ||
| Post# 211989 , Reply# 27 12/31/2012 at 18:20 (4,133 days old) by TheHooverMan (United States ) | ||
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Post# 211993 , Reply# 29 12/31/2012 at 19:12 (4,133 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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How about a Tacony made Simplicity/ Riccar??
I love canister vacuums. I've been professionally house cleaning for 18 years. I've had the best success with Hoover canister vacuums. However now Hoover's selection is quite limited. I look for machines that clean EXCELLENT, while being convenient to use and reasonably durable. Your unlimited price range puts you in a better than me.
I'm not a Kirby guy. Too loud, too heavy, don't groom carpets enough, attachment setup is awful. Also not a Sebo guy. Don't groom enough, non user friendly, can't handle plush rugs. I've had awful experiences with Sebo D4 canister, Oreck uprights, most Dyson uprights I've used. Aerus Electrolux vacuums will last forever and are quiet. However, I've found that the long slender suction units tend to roll over on their sides and slide along the floor rather than stay on wheels. Carry handles in the middle make it awkward to lug around. Some of their power nozzles aren't very powerful. The Riccar/ Simplicitys are a great line. Very quiet, very powerful, sealed systems, HEPA S Class filtration, wide assortment of available on board tools, Made In The U.S.A, metal base plates, metal brush rolls, suction to pull paint off your wall. I'm very happy with our Riccar 1700 canister pictured below!! I highly recommend testing out a Riccar in a store. The new Tandem Air uprights are amazing too!! I have little Miele experience but I hear they're very good. If you go canister I would be sure to get the SEB228 or SEB236 power nozzle. They have a wide variety of suction units, you need to see which one appeals to your needs as far as attachment availability, size and bag capacity. For a Miele upright I would look at the S7 series. The Royal Lexon SR30020 is a really neat machine!! Very powerful suction and agitation!! Quiet running, and the powerhead glides very smoothly over the carpet with an extremely comfortable handle. Durability wise they look ok but definitely not built the way Royals were years ago. The Riccar or Miele would be better durability wise. I have noticed many canister vacuums WAYYYY outperform many upright vacuums. I've also seen many that are about even with each other. A lot of machines on the market have great suction. Agitation is where many companies have slacked off. I'm sure there are a plethora of vacuum dealers in the Manhattan area. Visit a few, try before you buy, look at the agitator area: check bristle stiffness, how far it extends below base plate, are bristles edge to edge, what type of belt, etc. See what return window is for machines or if you can try it at home on your rugs and see how you like it for a day!! Best of luck in your search!! *****NO ONE ON THIS SITE IS STUPID!! We all have years of experience using different vacuums whether its in our own homes, relatives homes, professional cleaning service like myself or otherwise. Everyone's home is different whether its wall to wall plush carpeting, lightweight area rugs, hardwood floors and/or several options. There is a high tendency for us to prefer vacuums that we used growing up. For Example: If your parents household had a Kirby, chances are you are biased to Kirbys to this day and love them with all of your heart. This is just an example and there is absolutely NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT PHILOSOPHY!!! We should not let our preference of a brand hurt our self esteem and feelings towards one another, just because another member has shared a different experience!! Let's learn from each other and be able to discuss and share our experiences openly on this forum!!! There is a reason why we have Chocolate, Vanilla and Strawberry ice cream flavors along with Minimans and Station Wagons, canister vacuums, and upright vacuums and several different manufacturers to choose from for just about any product a person desires to purchase!! There is an option out there for everyone!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK 
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| Post# 211999 , Reply# 30 12/31/2012 at 19:47 (4,133 days old) by hype822 () | ||
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i apologize for what i posted earlier. one tends to not be happy when one finds out recently that his fathers cancer has returned at stage 4. so sorry about that earlier post again. and anyway if you like uprights take a look at a simplicity/riccar tandem air upright. | ||
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Post# 212003 , Reply# 32 12/31/2012 at 21:36 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover Elite C1414 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
| Post# 212004 , Reply# 33 12/31/2012 at 21:36 (4,133 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey there Boston Brian,
Quick question: why does the Miele Earth come with a longer hose? Don't all S5 series Miele canisters come with a 6 foot hose? Is the SES 119 hose different from all the other hoses? If yes, can you buy it as an option for all the other models in the S5 series? People have complained about the short hoses and cords on Miele canisters, so I wonder why this longer hose is not standard for all their deluxe full-size canisters... Write back when you get yhe chance! :-) Eurekaprince Brian in Toronto | ||
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Post# 212005 , Reply# 34 12/31/2012 at 21:38 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover Elite C1404 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212006 , Reply# 35 12/31/2012 at 21:40 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover Guardsman C1631 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212007 , Reply# 36 12/31/2012 at 21:43 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover Guardsman C1431 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212010 , Reply# 37 12/31/2012 at 21:46 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover PortaPower CH30000 straight suction canister. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212011 , Reply# 38 12/31/2012 at 21:50 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Hoover Signature Lightweight C1320 upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212017 , Reply# 40 12/31/2012 at 22:21 (4,133 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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As a general rule of thumb, Bagged Uprights and Bagged Canisters clean much better than Bagless Uprights and Bagless Canisters. | ||
| Post# 212025 , Reply# 41 1/1/2013 at 00:27 (4,133 days old) by ryan1994jeep (Georgia) | ||
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| Post# 212046 , Reply# 43 1/1/2013 at 08:34 (4,133 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I actually think Ryan has hit on the correct solution: The Blue Kenmore Intuition power nozzle canister. It is very good at everything and comes with a nice long 8 foot hose and a nice long cord - longer than the cords and hoses provided on Miele canisters. The electrically powered mini power nozzle stores on board, and the hose and wands are standard diameters so you can attach any tool you want to buy from your local vac dealer. This has been Consumer Reports top rated canister vac for two years. It's also got a much larger cloth Hepa bag than the Mieles. Just don't abuse the machine and you'll be fine - follow the instructions and shut off the vac before disconnecting the electrified hose and wands to avoid burning the contacts.
The neat feature of this vac is that the floor brush stores right in the power nozzle. You just shut off the vac from the handle control, press a pedal to release the brush, switch the vac back on you are ready to go... According to consumer surveys done by Consumer Reports, Kenmore canisters have a lower repair rate than Miele, Hoover, Eureka and Swedish Electrolux. The higher end Kenmores such as the Intuition are made by Panasonic. Here is a summary of the results of tests done by Consumer Reports on this vac: CARPET CLEANING: The Kenmore Intuition 28014 does a very good job of removing the embedded mixture of sand and powder from our soiled test carpets. This is a measure of how well a vacuum removes the dirt hidden deep in the carpet and not visible to the user's eye. BARE FLOOR: The Kenmore does an excellent job of removing sand from our vinyl floor, leaving very little behind and not scattering sand across the floor. PET HAIR: This model does an excellent job at picking up pet hair from carpets using its power head. The visual inspection of the test carpet following the pet hair test reveals no traces of pet hair left behind and very little pet hair caught in the brush roll. USABILITY: This Kenmore is packed with many creature comforts, such as a nice telescopic wand, and nicely placed electronic controls on the handle for suction, and brush rotation. A dirt sensor is also conveniently placed on the handle. A unique feature is a quick release floor brush that is integrated into the main power head. | ||
| Post# 212054 , Reply# 45 1/1/2013 at 10:19 (4,133 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212062 , Reply# 46 1/1/2013 at 11:51 (4,132 days old) by Eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey Matt,
Don't eliminate power nozzle canisters from your search. Most Mieles and Kenmores have a slot on the main body from which you hang the power nozzle front edge down to minimize your storage footprint. These take up no more space than an upright. If you had only wall to wall carpeting, I would not look at canisters (you have to clean forward into the room, which leaves you walking on your just cleaned carpets - with uprights you can clean easily while "backing out" of the room starting at the far corner). But since you have bare floors with area rugs, a canister is a more flexible and easy to use solution. The large head on an upright will not easily get under and around your furniture and you'll end up using the onboard hose a lot anyhow. If money is no option and you prefer uprights, go and get the white Miele Cat and Dog upright. Consumer Reports gave it high marks in all test categories (carpets, bare floors, suction thru the hose for tool use, noise reduction, emissions control) BTW, it looks like all the Miele uprights come with a generous 40 foot power cord. If you want to really make your life easier, add the wonderful cordless Swiffer Vac to your arsenal! This $40 stick vac will clean and dust all your bare floors with ease in between vacuuming...and it hangs on a hook on the wall. My 85year old Mom swears by it! :-) | ||
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Post# 212064 , Reply# 48 1/1/2013 at 13:05 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Oreck Forever Series Gold Power Team. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212065 , Reply# 49 1/1/2013 at 13:08 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Oreck Graphite Power Team. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212066 , Reply# 50 1/1/2013 at 13:10 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Dyson DC41 Animal upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212067 , Reply# 51 1/1/2013 at 13:13 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Dyson DC33 Multi Floor upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212068 , Reply# 52 1/1/2013 at 13:19 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Shark Rotator Lift Away upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212069 , Reply# 53 1/1/2013 at 13:21 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here is the Shark Rotator XL Reach upright. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212070 , Reply# 54 1/1/2013 at 13:26 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Last but not least, Please check Consumer Reports. CR has detailed ratings on each vacuum cleaner. Here is the link for Consumer Reports. CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
| Post# 212080 , Reply# 55 1/1/2013 at 13:46 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 212082 , Reply# 56 1/1/2013 at 13:52 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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I am currently a subscriber. I have been a subscriber since 1990. | ||
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Post# 212091 , Reply# 57 1/1/2013 at 15:11 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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By the way, Euro Pro/Shark bought Iona/Fantom in 2001. | ||
| Post# 212101 , Reply# 58 1/1/2013 at 15:34 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 212104 , Reply# 59 1/1/2013 at 15:44 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Yes I did NYCWriter
My most recent client has had 3 of those blue Kenmore Intuition canisters. I only use it at that house because the hose is standard size and its easier to use than the terrible Dyson DC41 and awful Sebo Airbelt D4 that she says. CAN'T STAND THE SEBO I'd have so much pleasure using it for target practice or putting it in the dumpster. But then I wouldn't able to use as a blockade, the next time I wash steps. Hmmmm, decisions, decisions, LOL!!! However I can only use 2 of her Kenmore Intuition vacuums on the hardfloors and upholstery. The connection to reconnect back into power nozzle has broken on 2 of her units. That entire power nozzle package with combo bare floor brush in MY OPINION IS HORRENDOUS!! Power nozzle is awkward to manuever and doesn't compare in cleaning to one of the other CenTec power nozzles. The bare floor brush is awful. Two diagonal measly strips of bristles is a joke and don't clean good.
I have no problem storing my canister. Powerheads can store on their ends standing up and most canisters have a park/ storage clip to slide on. Disconnect hose from wands while storing and I find my canisters are just as easy if not more so than uprights. The power nozzle wand is very thin and leaning up against a wall, a power nozzle vacuum wand won't be in your way at all. An upright with bulky bag compartment and taller floor nozzle is much more difficult. I've put my Hoover PowerMax canister vacuums up against several other uprights and personally in my experience it outgrooms and outcleans them. In 1996, Consumer Reports rated my vacuum as cleaning "Very Good" and it rated another canister and some others as "Excellent." Through my business I have tried some of the units that CR rated better and I went out to my car to get my Hoover PowerMax canister to further deep clean all those homes and get the job done for real!! The other vacs weren't cutting the mustard!!! I change bag, clean filters, check belts and service all of my clients vacuums but still MUCH happier with performance of the Hoover. I've been hard pressed to find a vacuum that beats it!!! I think a vacuum that cleans as good would be the Simplicity Verve, Royal Lexon SR30020 and Riccar Tandem Air upright. | ||
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Post# 212106 , Reply# 60 1/1/2013 at 16:12 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Here are three more recommendations for you: Hoover WindTunnel Anniversary Edition bagged self propelled upright. Hoover WindTunnel Anniversary Edition bagged non-self propelled upright. Hoover WindTunnel Anniversary Edition bagged PN canister. All three are rated very well by Consumer Reports. | ||
| Post# 212113 , Reply# 62 1/1/2013 at 17:24 (4,132 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Rob - the Hoover canister you mentioned is indeed rated as a good performer by Consumer Reports, but they also gave it a "fair" in the "handling" category because, as it says: "Uncommon to canisters, the power head does not swivel, and the only handle control is for the rotating brush." I have also read on Vacuumland that the wheels are not great and that it bogs down on thick carpeting.
Though the famous Self-Propelled WindTunnel is a great upright and top-rated, Consumer Reports clearly states that it is relatively noisy and heavy. Matt will also hate using this Hoover upright for above the floor cleaning - there is no suction control, the hose is too short and the upholstery nozzle can damage fabrics. If money is no option, he is better off with a Miele upright with a nice long 40 foot cord. The white "Cat and Dog" upright is his best bet, because it actually performs better on bare floors ("Excellent") for some reason than the other Miele uprights (only "Very Good"). It seems that it achieves this because it does not have a lot of electronic controls adjusting and monitoring the motor and the filters, and it does not use the Miele Hepa filter. It looks like the Miele Hepa filter can actually reduce air flow, so if you buy a Miele upright with the cheaper filters (the Active Air Clean Filter), you get the same level of excellent filtration but increased airflow for bare floor cleaning and above the floor cleaning. Other than that, he can get a great Miele Callisto canister too. But he's going to need an extension cord because the cord is really short (21 feet). | ||
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Post# 212122 , Reply# 63 1/1/2013 at 19:15 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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I wish the Hoover Concept One uprights and the Hoover Dimension 1000 PN canisters were still being made today. I would recommend them in a heartbeat. Those models were also rated very well by Consumer Reports. | ||
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Post# 212127 , Reply# 65 1/1/2013 at 19:53 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Show me the thread link PLEASE!!!
EurekaPrince, can you show me the thread link where the Hoover PowerMax power nozzle canister "bogged" down on thick carpet. A PowerMax head along with most all other vacuums on the market will not do well on the new Frieze style carpets with the long yarn like 3" long strands. The only vacuum that seems to be able to handle this, yet still do a bad job on it is the Dyson DC41.
Otherwise I have used Hoover PowerMax heads on EXTREMELY dense thick plush carpeting and they do great. Some old style shag rugs, they can be hard to push, but if you reduce the suction with suction regulator, they're fine again. I've been using them for 15 years, since September 1997!! Yes Hoover PowerMax canisters are now discontinued, wish they weren't. There is no swivel on the power nozzle connector but in some ways that makes it easier to use, because many power nozzles that do have swivels on wands and or at power nozzle neck have a high tendency to swivel NEARLY ALL THE TIME, when you don't want them to, examples would be on several Panasonic and Kenmore wand systems along with Eureka wand systems. Some models had variable speed control and on/off for entire system: PowerMax Ultra models: S3611, S3620, Windtunnel Ultra S3655, S3661, TurboPower 7500 S3649. Some models only on/off switch for suction unit and agitator S3609. Some units only on/off on handle for agitator: PowerMax S3603, S3603-040, S3610, S3614, S3613, Windunnels: S3630, S3639, S3641, S3646, S3646-090. These are only models from 1997 to about 2005, there are several earlier models in early 1990's as well. | ||
| Post# 212128 , Reply# 66 1/1/2013 at 20:13 (4,132 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey Rob!
It's not the WindTunnel power nozzle that has trouble with thick carpets. It's the small wheels on the canister itself that seem to be problematic - someone on Vacuumland who owns one indeed brought this up - it seems to not be easily movable on some kinds of carpets, or in the transition up from bare floor to carpet. Maybe the wheels are too small, or maybe they are set to deep into the canister body. Not sure. :-) EP Brian | ||
| Post# 212129 , Reply# 67 1/1/2013 at 20:15 (4,132 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Post# 212140 , Reply# 71 1/1/2013 at 21:52 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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The Royal Model SR30020 - Lexon S20 is another good choice too. It is $700. | ||
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Post# 212142 , Reply# 72 1/1/2013 at 21:57 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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The Panasonic MCCG902 bagged PN canister is a fine choice. It is $320. | ||
| Post# 212143 , Reply# 73 1/1/2013 at 22:10 (4,132 days old) by nycwriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212147 , Reply# 75 1/1/2013 at 22:35 (4,132 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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I just saw the Panny at Amazon for only 177 delivered. can you get a small powerhead for the stairs for that model? | ||
| Post# 212150 , Reply# 76 1/1/2013 at 22:50 (4,132 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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I also have asked govacuum.com about the Royal that is reburbed for only 474 as that seems like a great value and in my price range if it's in like new condition. Thoughts? | ||
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Post# 212152 , Reply# 77 1/1/2013 at 23:10 (4,132 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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ctsooner, I would get the Panasonic if I were you. A mini electric PN is optional for this machine. | ||
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Post# 212157 , Reply# 80 1/2/2013 at 00:25 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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CTSooner
There's a few great choices for you.
Attached is a link to a used on eBay Eureka World vac canister. A decent vacuum with on board tools. No mini power head included. I always prefer using a decent upholstery nozzle on steps so it gets edge to edge with out the need for a crevice tool. This canister has a decent upholstery nozzle with aggressive bristles on it for that work. If you want a powered hand tool. The Royal Lexon SR30020 is a great machine. Most sites online have them for $500-600. But I've also seen them go on sale or eBay for about $350. It comes with an turbine air powered mini power head nozzle, which on this vacuum works quite well. A Panasonic MCCG902 canister is also a great choice. It hits the market and can be found at less than $200. It's better than the current Sears Kenmore lineup and a PowerMate Jr. electric power head can easily be bought on eBay, your local vacuum store or else where online very easily and be a fit. No matter what machine you get, I would leave your electric power nozzle permanently attached to its original set of wands and get a separate set of wands for the bare floor brush work. In the end it is easier for switching between the different tools and will extend the life of power nozzle electric wiring. Wands are a universal size for all the units I just mentioned. It would be a simple to go online and find wands to fit!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 212159 , Reply# 81 1/2/2013 at 00:30 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Ebay listing
Here is a Royal Lexon SR30020 on eBay for $450, free shipping, brand new. The only thing is that it states no returns by seller. If you buy through Paypal, they will help you should anything be wrong with your purchase and you'll get remimbursement.
Assuming vac comes brand new, and is fine, any problems with it would be taken care of through your nearest vacuum cleaner repair shop. Make sure they are an authorized Royal dealer for warranty work. I would advise if possible going to your local vacuum shop to see what refurb and new canister units they have on display. Try the Hoover Windtunnel bagged Anniversary edition, Panasonic power head canister, Royal Lexon SR30020, and Riccar Pristine and see what you like. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK on eBay | ||
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Post# 212160 , Reply# 82 1/2/2013 at 00:39 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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OH MY GOSH!!!
This canister would be perfect for either of you I think. Terrific machines. Riccar and Simplicity are both U.S.A made companies owned by Tacony. Terrific units. Need to find another auction for 2 of these.
Starting bid is $1.00. See what it goes to by the end of the 7 day auction. Continue to search eBay for Simplicity Canister, Riccar Canister, Hoover Canister, Eureka canister. If you see something you like, post it on here and we'll give quick input!!! There's a Simplicity Verve on eBay brand new at $475.00 http://www.ebay.com/itm/VACUUM-CLEANER-/... Here's a link to the Panasonic MCCG902 canister that many of us have mentioned. Listed at great price from an excellent dealer with free shipping. www.vcdiscounter.com/mccg902.html... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK on eBay | ||
| Post# 212179 , Reply# 83 1/2/2013 at 08:21 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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It seems to me that it would be difficult for canister vacs (even with a power nozzle) to deep-clean plush rugs as well as uprights, based on the simple physics that there's simply not as much weight pushing down on the beater brushes. The canisters I've tried out in the past have felt so light that it feels like the brushes would just skip along the surface of the rug without really doing anything.
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| Post# 212183 , Reply# 85 1/2/2013 at 09:26 (4,132 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 212186 , Reply# 86 1/2/2013 at 10:03 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212187 , Reply# 87 1/2/2013 at 10:10 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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I should say, however, that one of my biggest New York fears is that while I'm sweeping with a canister vacuum in my small apartment, I trip over the darm thing, fall backwards, split my head open on the sharp edge of my dining room table, and die one of those tragic New York deaths, with no one knowing anything happened until someone calls the super after hearing the vacuum still running 28 hours later ...
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| Post# 212190 , Reply# 90 1/2/2013 at 10:47 (4,132 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 212191 , Reply# 91 1/2/2013 at 10:49 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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NYC Writer, I would disagree
I strongly disagree with your statement of " simply not as much weight pushing down on the beater brushes." Uprights are heavier than canisters, but the weight on them is positioned so it pushes the the the rear of the motor base actually pulling the front of the hood further off the floor. If we were in a situation of no wheels and no springs on the bases your analogy would be more correct, but you'd still notice the front of the head lifting off the floor quite a bit.
Now when you put wheels and springs into place on various machines and you figure in length of bristle then it changes everything. All of these machines are so controlled that weight doesn't do much anymore. If the height setting is wrong or machine is just poorly designed then the head acually doesn't hug the carpet too well. As example you had thought about Sebo. Many of those machines use a computer chip to electronically adjust the height of the machine. Many of us have found this feature to be flawed as we feel it never adjusts properly and does not go down low enough. The Hoover Decade line uprights from years ago were great on a variety of carpets. But if you had a very low profile indoor/outdoor rug some of those didn't get low enough to seal well with the carpet and do a good job. Now on a canister vacuum many of those power heads do not have a manual height adjustment and they are positioned that when on the rug, they automatically adjust. The vacuum suctions is further able to pull the lighterweight cleaning head further into the carpet pile and really give a deep clean. Some examples of nozzles that do a great job at this would be the Eureka Express, Hoover Windtunnel and Electrolux heads. CenTec is a manufacturer that designs canister vacuum power nozzles for many different central and canister vacuums on the market to include all current Panasonic and Kenmores. While good cleaners and powerful they are not perfect. If you took one of these power heads and put it on flat table, you would see that the height adjuster systems actually has the unit skewed. It does not sit level and is higher on one side than the other. The brushes on these are also short cut, Bissell agtitators tend to also be short cut. So again these actually clean good, but for those of us that want a deeper clean, like myself I would not be using one of these machines for the thorough deep down vacuuming of my rugs!! Hence I have NOT recommended any Panasonics or Kenmores to you!! Now if you do the above test with a Hoover Windtunnel head, it actually looks like there is a slight gap in the front which allows for airflow to get in and airflow is what moves the dirt into the suction stream towards the bag. The nozzle is completely level with the surface of the table and units agitator brushes are bent down into the surface of the table. Most Hoover agitators have slightly longer bristles helping the cleaner really dig deep down into the pile. Hoover cleaners are still some of the best on the marker for deep cleaning due to their design. Hoover's problem is that they have skimped on some quality aspects lately and shifting most production to China. I do recommend Hoover to you for their cleaning but since your budget is unlimited we've posted higher end vacs with greater durability while still cleaning well. One reason that canisters do so well is because of their central mounted air duct. Most vacuums on the market today are called "Clean Air Design" This means that the dirt goes to the bag before going through fan. The task is accomplished by dirt being sucked out of housing by a separate hose that attaches to ONE SIDE of the nozzle. This is the problem. Upright vacuums are plagued by this factor of the airway only set to one side, so cleaning effectiveness is not even across the base, and the far end doesn't get cleaned well. In a canister the air path is in the center so the suction is even across the entire agtitator cavity base. Many canister vacuum suction motors are larger than on an upright so they're capable of more CFM's and overall power, thereby despite the suction motor being further from away, the higher power compromises and allows them to perform extremely well in deep cleaning carpet. This same principle is why a household central vacuum system that uses an electric power nozzle is one of the absolute best ways to thoroughly deep clean a carpet!! Again I'll say that I'd put some power head canisters up against the best uprights. It doesn't matter which vacuum you use in a test, the vacuum cleaner that use last after a series of other vacs will still find some dirt, assuming it is good a unit. Now since you have been hesitant towards a terrific canister option I have heavily recommended the Riccar/ Simplicity Tandem Air uprights for you as well in posts, and here is a youtube video of why!!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK | ||
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Post# 212192 , Reply# 92 1/2/2013 at 10:53 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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CTSooner, I'd be ok with it. | ||
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Post# 212195 , Reply# 94 1/2/2013 at 11:02 (4,132 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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I think now we're being silly!!
I've never tripped over a canister vac in my life. I've been using them for over 18 years. I always reverse my way out of a room with them, so I'm leaving foot prints on freshly vacuumed rug. I have more trouble, manuevering an upright around something, having it get stuck from its bulkiness and tripping cause of it.
A power nozzle on a canister is such a joy to use. It's low profile design gets under beds, coffee tables and is so easy manuever. They will make cleaning every Square inch of your home easy and most importantly doable, along with thorough. If you had steps you'd appreciate them even more!!! The long, non stretch hoses make attachment use a breeze. Stretch hoses on an upright can be nightmare as when the vacuum is turned on, the machine sucks the hose in, so end up with very little cleaning range or the bulky upright unit falling on you or delicate furniture in your apartment and breaking something. Canister hose handles are more comfortable and will make thorough bare floor cleaning easier and more thorough. There's just so many options along with TERRIFIC cleaning performance on a canister vac, I can't see how it would be bad. For greater maneuverability get a Miele model their swivel wheels allow the unit to maneuver much better than the Riccar suction units. But I like the Riccars cleaning performance better. Or there's the Royal 
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Post# 212198 , Reply# 96 1/2/2013 at 11:37 (4,131 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Video of Royal Lexon SR30020
Here's a nice video of the Royal Lexon SR30020 canister vacuum that I like. It shows great performance pit up of screws, pet hair, sand and rice.
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Post# 212208 , Reply# 97 1/2/2013 at 13:00 (4,131 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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I’m sorry but I disagree with what you said about Kirby not being able to groom carpets well. This past weekend I used my G5 to vacuum before I shampooed my aunt’s Frieze carpeting. The G5 worked wonders. Bill Ivins sent it to me and he installed the newer style agitator which has stiffer bristles than the previous design. I do agree with you on using canister vacuums for general cleaning. The low profile design makes it easy to clean under furniture and the attachments are easily accessible to the user. We all have our own preferences and learning from others is what makes our club great! I've learned so much over the past three years. NYC Writer - Hope we made it easier for you and didn't confuse you. 
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| Post# 212214 , Reply# 98 1/2/2013 at 14:19 (4,131 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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kloveland ...
No you haven't confused me -- you've actually all made helpful contributions. I really really love the Kirby (I used a 1950's vintage one -- of course it wasn't exactly "vintage" at the time! -- when I was a child, helping my grandfather clean our church on Saturdays (he was the custodian) -- and my Grandma had her own new(ish) Kirby from the '70s). If it just weren't such a production to switch to the attachments. I'm very spoiled with my Fantom. This is how I sweep: push the upright around ... see a dust bunny under something ... hit the button, free the wand, suck that sucker up ... and continue sweeping without missing a beat. I use the wand as I go along; 15 years of working in television has given me far too much of an attention deficit to *remember* to go back with the attachments later. However, you've made me serously reconsider a canister. I'd never considered how wonderful it would be to get a power nozzle under virtually every piece of furniture without having to move it all out of place. What I really need is a townhouse. *sigh* | ||
| Post# 212219 , Reply# 99 1/2/2013 at 15:07 (4,131 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
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Post# 212222 , Reply# 100 1/2/2013 at 15:45 (4,131 days old) by kloveland (Tulsa) |
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It would be confusing to me if I were new to the forum. Everyone seems to have their own opinion which is a good thing. If it were me I would read consumer reports, and stay away from Rainbow( I apologize to those who love their Rainbows). Kenmore still makes a good canister although they won’t last as long as they used to. A refurbished Tristar would also be nice. Eurekaprince had the best suggestion. An upright for carpets and a small straight suction canister for bare floors. Consumer reports recommended both an upright and a canister in past issues.
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| Post# 212223 , Reply# 101 1/2/2013 at 15:53 (4,131 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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I really appreaciate the science behind the Rainbow. But from a practical standpoint, you're making a huge sacrifice fussing with the water ... rinsing and drying the pan (REALLY drying, otherwise it attracts roaches -- a particular problem in NYC), every time you want to vacuum. Sometimes it's nice to just pull the sweeper out for a quickie 2-minute cleanup. That's impossible with a Rainbow. And again, I don't have the closet space for multiple sweepers (even ones that hang on hooks).
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| Post# 212255 , Reply# 104 1/2/2013 at 19:29 (4,131 days old) by Anhedonius () | ||
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If you can afford a townhouse, NYCWriter, you shouldn't be doing your own vacuuming. | ||
| Post# 212265 , Reply# 106 1/2/2013 at 20:30 (4,131 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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I just saw the Sebo for 499 is their demo of the K3. Should this one be in the mix? It seems to have controls on the handles and I do like the power head and how the roller comes out to clean. thoughts? | ||
| Post# 212270 , Reply# 108 1/2/2013 at 20:43 (4,131 days old) by Vacuumfreeeke () | ||
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Here's a video I made of my Sebo upright so you can see just how easy it is to use the hose on.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO Vacuumfreeeke's LINK | ||
| Post# 212278 , Reply# 109 1/2/2013 at 22:10 (4,131 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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Which is a better vac, the Royal 30020 or the Moxie 2? Both are close in price from the looks of it. Seems like the Moxie may be the better machine. | ||
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Post# 212284 , Reply# 110 1/2/2013 at 22:35 (4,131 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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ctsooner Honestly, I would buy a TOL Riccar/Simplicity bagged PN canister. The extra money is well worth it. | ||
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Post# 212286 , Reply# 111 1/2/2013 at 22:39 (4,131 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter Honestly, I would buy a TOL Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air bagged upright. The extra money is well woth it. By the way, The Riccar/Simplicity Tandem Air uprights combine the best of two worlds. Excellent deep carpet cleaning performance and Excellent above floor attachment cleaning performance. | ||
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Post# 212288 , Reply# 112 1/2/2013 at 22:50 (4,131 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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CTSooner
I think the Simplicity Moxie is your best bet. Better quality of Royal SR30020. SIGNIFICANTLY BETTER CLEANING POWER over the Sebo. The Sebo you looked at for $899 was probably a D4 with ET-1 power nozzle. I love canister vacuums and I clean houses for a living. One of my clients just got this Sebo vacuum for $899-- I ABSOLUTELY HATE the machine. It is extremely non user friendly, annoying to use, hard to maneuver and a terrible cleaner, and I'm an energetic, in-shape 30 year old male. The Simplicity Moxie or Simplicity Verve will run circles around that machine along with a Miele. The Verve on eBay is still a good deal for you at $475, a slightly shorter suction unit over Moxie which will be a little lighter weight.
I don't know anything about the Miele Silvermoon so I'll let others opionate on that. I can tell you that the SEB236 power nozzle that he'd give you with it does swivel and its a good power head with chevron brush and headlight. I don't like the first store that you went to. I don't like how he recommended Sebo for canister or central vac. I don't like his price for the Panasonic. The teal blue colored Panasonic MCCG973 canister which is the model you posted that the guy is selling for $342, has been discontinued by Panaonic for about 18 months!! This machine is a leftover of his. As a leftover I could it see it being priced at about $220 since it's probably a display model with no box. It was $220 we would discuss it, at $342 it's a definite pass. The link below is spec sheet and webpage for the Simplicity Moxie is their second from Top of the Line unit. It has everything at your finger tips on hose handle to include: On/off entire machine, on/off power nozzle, variable speed suction control, bag check indicator, filter check indicator. Toe operated handle release pedal, toe operated 6 position height adjustment. These machines are very quiet, with lots of power, power nozzles are virtually maintenance free, other than removing hair from brush roll which this machine does a good job of sending hair to the bag and not collecting on brush roll. The brush roll on the Simplicity is steel. The brush roll on the Sebo is plastic. Be sure to test this in store, the Moxie is a great machine but due to its high performance it is a heavy canister for carrying and wheeling around on carpet!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK | ||
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Post# 212317 , Reply# 114 1/3/2013 at 00:12 (4,131 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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The Moxie is a good buy at $599. MSRP new according to their website is $1300!!! It's really a work horse of a vac!!!
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| Post# 212331 , Reply# 115 1/3/2013 at 08:56 (4,131 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Anhedonius ...
I can certainly afford my own domestic help. Unfortunately, as the old saying goes, good help truly is very hard to find. In my 17 years in New York City I have yet to find a housekeeper who can measure up to my standards (and unsettlingly enough, I don't think my standards are all that high). Alas -- even Joan Crawford had to do her own vacuuming. | ||
| Post# 212332 , Reply# 116 1/3/2013 at 09:02 (4,131 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey guys....lots of people are recommending Simplicity and Riccar canisters. Though I love the idea of buying American-made products, aren't the power nozzles on Tacony's canisters really noisy? I read on Vacuumland somewhere that the Miele pn canisters are much quieter than the Taconys. Does anyone own both?
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Post# 212366 , Reply# 119 1/3/2013 at 14:31 (4,130 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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The Simplicity power head is powerful!!
Tacony power nozzles on the Riccar/ Simplicity do produce more noise than the Miele SEB228 nozzle and maybe the SEB236. However, that still doesn't make them loud!! It's a much quieter nozzle compared to the CenTec CT14DX that everyone loves on their 1990's Kenmore Whispertone canisters. It's also quieter than many Hoover power nozzles and that's hARD for me to say too as I love the noise of Hoover Power Nozzles so much!!
The Riccar/ Simplicity nozzle has a metal base plate, and metal brush roll. It has 6 heights, it's a wide width, nice headlight and very sturdy. It runs on a virtually maintenance free serpentine belt, and has rubber wheels in front and back on metal axles. The height adjuster actually does a great job. It gets super low to carpet on the XLow setting, much beter than the CenTec heads and Sebo. On X High it also does well. It's significantly more powerful and aggressive than the Sebo ET-1 which in my opinion acts more like an air turbine nozzle. The Tacony head is also more powerful than many Aerus heads. I like the metal base plate and the few metal base plate guards make it easier to use on area rugs compared to the completely open agitator cavitys on Wessel Werk EBK340 and EBK360 which is what Sebo SEB236 and 228 are made by. Pictured below is agitator view of Wessel Werk EBK360. This is the same head as found on Miele SEB228 and same agitator set up as Miele SEB236, it's all very similar design to Wessel Werk EBK340. These power nozzle are powerful, clean well and have chevron brush rolls. However, the complete lack of agitator cavity support bars means this power nozzle will constantly get stuck on corners and edges of throw and area rugs. Just something to keep in mind for what you're vacuuming. | ||
| Post# 212406 , Reply# 123 1/3/2013 at 19:11 (4,130 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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CTSooner... I have a Miele S2 Delphi, my mother has MS and the only canister she has ever been able to easily use without tripping over due to her balance problems is the Miele. Best part is she hates and I mean HATES canisters, yet she fell in love with the Miele. | ||
| Post# 212410 , Reply# 126 1/3/2013 at 19:25 (4,130 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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Oh I missed by two hours getting the Titan with a barely used 236 head. He would have given it all to me for the 599. I would have brought out my card for that on the spot I think, lol. | ||
| Post# 212411 , Reply# 127 1/3/2013 at 19:31 (4,130 days old) by director12 () | ||
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What about the Hoover Elites and Bissell Powerglides Zach? Those are a great choice for vacuum buyers, even for you. | ||
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Post# 212417 , Reply# 129 1/3/2013 at 20:17 (4,130 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter and CTSooner, Here is the Miele S8990 bagged canister with the SEB236 PN: CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
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Post# 212418 , Reply# 130 1/3/2013 at 20:22 (4,130 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter and CTSooner, Here is the Miele S7580 bagged upright vacuum: CLICK HERE TO GO TO KirbyUltimateG's LINK | ||
| Post# 212419 , Reply# 131 1/3/2013 at 20:24 (4,130 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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As a former owner
of a Vacuum Shop Miele USED to be a good Vacuum Silver/Blue Moon`s , Aluminium ect. were the best machines they ever made PERIOD IMO .
I gave my Sister a Capricorn and I owned one also both machines had numerous problems electronic, motors,replaced hoses broke . We both used them gently and myself being a collector owning over 400 Vacuums used mine with the utmost care and it failed . I will never own another Miele until they go back to the Quality they were known for . Simplicity/Riccar a Tacony company which I sold Simplicity and was a dealer for them .I never had any returned for repair other than a belt or a Fan on the Freedom series. They are very reliable and out feature any Miele with things such as longer hoses larger normal sized attachments all which are VERY important . Aerus is another Quality brand my family has owned for generations .I have 40 years experience and own mostly all TOL vacuums produced . Aerus, Simplicity/Riccar , Rainbow , Filter Queen , Kirby ,Royal, Vortech Force ,TriStar ,Patriot, Hyla and Oreck would be the ONLY brands I would recommend . This post was last edited 01/03/2013 at 20:39 | ||
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Post# 212425 , Reply# 132 1/3/2013 at 20:44 (4,130 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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I don't know what to recommend anymore. I recommended everything under the sun in this thread. I am at a loss of what to recommend. | ||
| Post# 212449 , Reply# 135 1/3/2013 at 23:32 (4,130 days old) by hype822 () | ||
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riccar and simplicity vacuums are made in the same factory as eachother. they are mechanically the same, and use the same bags, belts, filters, etc. of eachother. the only differences are colors of the vacuums, and headlight design. | ||
| Post# 212504 , Reply# 141 1/4/2013 at 11:05 (4,130 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey friends - let's get back to helping out Matt in Manhattan....not that all the other posts have not been interesting! :-D
Matt - one of your last posts seems to indicate the kind of vacuumer you are: you want to be able to wheel out an upright, plug it in and go clean, shut it off and put it in the closet. You don't want to have to assemble, disassemble, open and empty and re-assemble. You don't want to make the process a "Broadway Production"! I think your very first instinct is going to suit you fine: a shiny new Miele upright. With a 39 foot cord, you probably won't even have to change electrical outlets once you start cleaning. And the on-board tools are good enough for all extra cleaning needs like furniture and nooks and crannies. You can probably even buy one of those nifty parquet Twister floor brushes that will attach to the upright hose and wand to clean floors under sofas and stuff. Therefore....after over 100 posts (nice thread here guys!), my final recommendation is the Miele Cat and Dog S7 White Upright. Don't bother with the fancier more expensive versions of the S7 - the less electronic circuitry you have on your vac, the less chance for problems and repairs later. The white S7260 just has a rotary suction control - very simple and uncomplicated. For what it's worth - and I know many Vacuumlanders do not trust Consumer Reports test results - when tested in controlled testing situations along with more than 30 other uprights on the market, this Miele "Cat and Dog" White Upright did very well in all categories: either "excellent" or "very good" in carpet cleaning, bare floor cleaning, cleaning with the hose, emissions and noise control, and handling. So, there is a high likelihood that it is a worthwhile investment. This Miele S7 Upright will be a major step-up for you from your Fantom wondervac! Here is a nice videoclip which shows how easy it is to use - CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
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Post# 212507 , Reply# 142 1/4/2013 at 11:44 (4,129 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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NYCWriter, how we doing?
You started this thread. Haven't heard from you in a bit, so I imagine you're long work week is ending and you'll do more research over the weekend. CTSooner has it down to a few machines. I think a feud between Tacony's Riccar and Simplicity vs. Miele is common. Both are terrific machines and I think it comes down to user comfort, options and price. Miele are said to be better built but they're quality has dropped and they get their fair share of repairs. Riccar/ Simplicity units are excellent, strong builds that will last many many years. They had a hose problem on some canisters but have changed materials and that seems to be a non-issue at this point. They recently brought manufacturing back to the U.S. and quality of finished product is better. I like the newer style telescoping wands compared to older version!! Buying brand new especially with either of this works out well because you get manufacturer warranty which on a new Moxie canister would be 5 yr. all inclusive.
What are your thoughts on something Matt? Are you liking the sound of Simplicity Synergy upright or Riccar Radiance, or Riccar Brilliance, all of which have their Tandem Air System? What the Tandem Air System does is eliminate the battle between uprights of whether a direct air system, (Also known as Dirty Air or Fan First), or Clean Air System ( Also known as Bypass) system is better because these machines use both. The Tandem air system uses 2 suction motors. This is why the vacuum can be demonstrated with the bag door removed because the machine has suction motor pushing dirt to the bag. If you put the bag door on, then you also gain the power of a motor pulling air to the bag. It's an upright so you would just have to switch hose to attachment use. The Miele S7 uprights are a similar technology to this but I believe the Tacony system is better. On a canister you can have on/off power nozzle control at your fingertips, release suction hose from power head and grab whatever dirt in cracks and crevices that you want. I also use bare floor brush or electric power nozzle from canister to clean sofa cushions and stairs while I'm doing the main room. Can't really do that with a bulky upright. Let us know where you're at. Remember everyone that this is a vacuum cleaner. It's an appliance just like refrigerator for cold beer and oven for baking brownies. A machine to help us with allergy removal etc. None of the machines listed above are junk and all will do a terrific job cleaning just about any environment. We on this forum know what junk is and we won't post those for recommendation!!! I've done a fair share of vacuum refurbishing and resale, I only resell machines that clean decent and avoid a few brands otherwise, which I will not state here in-order to maintain the status quo. Wishing everyone a wonderful weekend. Those with snow and cold temperatures like me-- be careful and bundle up!! To everyone stay well and wash hands, this is cold and flu season!! It's a good time to boost Vitamin C and take some Echinacea. | ||
| Post# 212509 , Reply# 143 1/4/2013 at 12:19 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Well thank you all very much! I have to admit, I thought I was pretty "up" on the latest vacuums (have always had a fascination with them anyway), but there are quite a few brands I've never heard of.
What I really WANT is an all-metal Royal Everlast; raw power, no frills. Basically a motor on wheels with a bag. Unfortunately, it's not what I NEED; it's as loud as a jet engine and about as complicated as you can get for using attachments. After an honest appraisal of my home (size, furnishings, % of carpet vs hardwood -- which is about 50-50 ), I think I may have had a Come to Jesus moment regarding canister vacs. This is very difficult for me since I'm a third-generation upright guy. My mom has had nothing but uprights (and let's face it, MOM is always right); both grandmothers only used uprights. In fact, the only person in my entire family who had a canister was one of my aunts, but she was always "different", so no one said anything about her choice in vacuum. This weekend I'm going to test out a Royal Lexon S20, as well as the Miele S8990 UniQ . While I'm at it, I'll also try the Miele upright, but truth to tell, now that I've at least brought canisters into the conversation, I've been fantasizing about having a vac that would allow me to NEVER AGAIN have to move my heavy-as-a-piano solid oak Stickley dressers ever again! Getting a power nozzle on the carpeting under those dressers, the bed, and the sofa has been such an unreachable dream that, like x-ray vision, I've always kept tucked firmly into the realm of fantasy. Any thoughts on the Royal S20 vs the Miele UniQ? I know the Royal is half the price (practically) than this model of Miele, but I'm wondering if there's really that much of a difference in performance, or is it just the bells and whistles? | ||
| Post# 212510 , Reply# 144 1/4/2013 at 12:22 (4,129 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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Miele Capricorn new should be about $800-850 upon negotiating or for floor model. Callisto should be about $700 which would come with the smaller electro power nozzle A Simpl Moxie Id guess would be about $650 | ||
| Post# 212514 , Reply# 145 1/4/2013 at 12:49 (4,129 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Best thing about the Miele UniQ: you get a funky flashlight right on the hose handle! Which means you will always have a way of seeing what's lurking behind the sofa, under the bed and up on the tops of your framed artwork!
The new S8 series has not been laboratory tested anywhere in North America, so it's hard to say. But here is a neat little video by the British version of Consumer Reports - Which? Magazine.... CLICK HERE TO GO TO eurekaprince's LINK | ||
| Post# 212517 , Reply# 146 1/4/2013 at 12:56 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212518 , Reply# 147 1/4/2013 at 13:03 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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INTERESTING price comparison ...
Just saw a vintage Hoover ad for a Convertible. The ad was from 1968 (the same year my parents were married and received a wedding gift of -- a brand-new Hoover Convertible -- milk chocolate brown with yellow hood). $79.99 with accessories.
Now, I think we can all agree that the Hoover Convertible in the '60s and '70s was pretty much the Everywoman's sweeper -- not a cheapie, but not top of the line, either. It was the Chevrolet of its day; a solid workhorse, but not quite a Buick, Lincoln, or even a Cadillac. I crunched the numbers and adjusted for inflation, today that vacuum would cost $568. That's what EVERYBODY paid, back then (in today's dollars) for a solid middle-of-the-road vacuum, without even thinking about it. And yet today, people have become so spoiled with cheap imports that they balk at anything over $200. Interesting. | ||
| Post# 212519 , Reply# 148 1/4/2013 at 13:18 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212524 , Reply# 149 1/4/2013 at 14:27 (4,129 days old) by sanitaire (anchorage, alaska) | ||
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go too a local janitor supply store and check out there vacs. I have one vac made by advance in my collection and it's very quiet...all your hear is the air sucking...then shop online and you will get a commerical duty vac for cheap. you can get bags and belts in bulk. | ||
| Post# 212533 , Reply# 151 1/4/2013 at 15:54 (4,129 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey Matt! :-)
If one of your criteria is a power nozzle that can clean carpet underneath beds and other furniture, you should test to see that the canister vac's wand can be put flat to the floor without causing the front of the nozzle to lift up and lose contact with the carpet. This, and the ability to rotate the handle sideways ninety degrees will determine how far the canister vac's nozzle can get under a bed. Some set-ups don't allow you to go very far before the front end tilts up. It's also important to remember that carpets hiding under furniture do not get stepped on, and therefore most dirt in these places is not ground into the fibres - it's sitting on the surface. This kind of dirt and dust does not really require a power nozzle and you can easily remove it with an attachment on the end of a Miele upright's hose. Even a basic suction only carpet nozzle that can lie flat on the carpet will do. The head of many uprights is "thin" enough to get about 10 inches under a piece of furniture which is enough to reach any ground-in dirt. Just something to think about... :-) | ||
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Post# 212540 , Reply# 152 1/4/2013 at 16:52 (4,129 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter and CTSooner, If you really want a Royal All Metal upright, Look for one with the 6-7 amp motor and 9 blade fan and 4 row brushroll with stiffeners. If you really want a Royal PN canister, Look for one that is all metal. Preferably the daschund dog shaped model. I hope this helps. | ||
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Post# 212541 , Reply# 153 1/4/2013 at 16:55 (4,129 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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I am sorry if I came across the wrong way in this thread and in other threads. I am truly sorry. | ||
| Post# 212626 , Reply# 155 1/4/2013 at 23:41 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 212659 , Reply# 156 1/5/2013 at 06:34 (4,129 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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CTSooner, The seller lists himself as a vacuum shop owner. It's a floor demo, I would email and ask eBay seller about it coming with warranty and what all attachments he is throwing in. At minimum it should have a warranty through his store, but don't mention that. Inquire of manufacturer warranty since the machine is essentially brand new!!
NYCWriter Matt, Riccar and Simplicity are the same thing, different hood styles, different color. Any Simplicity dealers in your area? The Royal canister is a great unit with lots of power. You'll probably appreciate the stronger build of a Riccar/ Simplicity though, is my opinion. But definitely give it a try, you'll like it!! Matt, I would also highly recommend for you the TOL model of Riccar or Simplicity canisters. This would be Riccar 1800, Riccar Immaculate or Simplicity S38, Simplicity Gusto. These 3 models have a three row, auger style agitator, it will out clean the 2 brush agitator of the other Simplicity and Riccar canisters!!! It will outclean most other if not all vacs on market. I just thought of this now. Should've posted this sooner. Just because a power nozzle hood cover looks the same, doesn't mean the guts are the same, and in this case the agitator wins!!! CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK 
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| Post# 212672 , Reply# 158 1/5/2013 at 09:22 (4,129 days old) by IL-Kirby-Fan () | ||
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Hmmm Sounds like you need a Kirby demo. | ||
| Post# 212674 , Reply# 159 1/5/2013 at 09:36 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212676 , Reply# 161 1/5/2013 at 09:56 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212677 , Reply# 162 1/5/2013 at 10:08 (4,129 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hi Peter! Welcome to Vacuumland!
The only reason I would buy the Riccar Immaculate/Simplicity Gusto over a Miele Callisto is because the money would be supporting an American company. This is not an insignificant reason in our economy these days. But, in truth, the Miele Callisto is a better vacuum cleaner. It's 228 power nozzle cleans carpets better and is quieter than those on the Taconys. The airflow through the hose for above the floor cleaning is better on the Miele. These factors are really central to the overall performance of a vacuum. As far as cost of bags, for the money you will save on buying the less costly Callisto, you can buy several years' worth of Miele bags. Unfortunately, in the category of uprights, Riccar and Simplicity have one of the worst Frequency of Repair reputations. Not sure about the canisters. I have the funny feeling you are not getting a more dependable canister by choosing a Simplicity/Riccar over a Miele. That being said, the Immaculate/Gusto have some features that help make them a little easier to use than the Miele Callisto: longer cord, bigger dusting brush, on-board bare floor brush, upholstery nozzle with adjustable wings. So if you don't mind the poorer cleaning performance and noisier power nozzle of the Taconys, and want to help an American company, then the Immaculate/Gusto is the one to bring home. :-) | ||
| Post# 212678 , Reply# 163 1/5/2013 at 10:24 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 212679 , Reply# 164 1/5/2013 at 10:28 (4,129 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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FYI, a word on "repair" track records ...
I own one of the most repair-prone vacuums (Fantom Thunder) and after 16 years of regular use, it's needed repairing only ONCE.
I've had talks with vacuum repair guys and they tell me that MOST vacuums on the market today in the $300+ range are "realiable". It's the USERS who aren't. Treat your vacuum with care, and it will treat YOU well. | ||
| Post# 212700 , Reply# 166 1/5/2013 at 11:45 (4,128 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
Let the Sebo bashing continue
Mm not quite.
Windsor is still churning out the old SEBO X1 Automatic models and there's nothing wrong with them since they don't use the the power nozzle head that is also equipped with their canisters. Simply put the 5.5/6 litre dust bags on the Sebo X series are pretty big on the basis that they can take upto 3 to 5 months to fill with each one. Of course, this is from my experience of cleaning up a large 5 bedroomed house and around 1 long haired cat, a short hair dog and a couple of budgies. The Felix bag is a lot smaller (at 3.5 litres) but it swivels just like the Miele S7 and has a brush roll on/off function. The dust bags of the Miele S7 are bigger than the ones in all of Miele's different model canisters - and I've never come across anyone who requires to empty or change a Miele S7 bag ONCE A MONTH. With either larger upright, you have the bigger dust capacities, but due to the age, the SEBO X series does not have a brush roll stop function or variable suction. I have been cleaning marble floors with my X series for more than 15 years now. Not one tile has been damaged, cut, broken off or anything with the brush roll on the SEBO. Miele's S7 is a lot more modern though but not as well built AND unless you really want the headlight/LED function, best stick with lower models that use the same suction motor and replace touch controls with a suction dial. With both products from these German companies, you either sacrifice having a far flusher design with swivel neck and headlight with variable suction on Miele's S7 uprights or the older SEBO or even Windsor Sensor uprights that do without. In the SEBO's defence, they are a lot easier to use than the S7 and easier to maintain/fix. I had an S7 but I didn't like the swivel function very much and found the S7 to be far heavier to use as well as pushing compared to my old Windsor/Sebo X1 and current X uprights. The Felix is a smaller vacuum and isnt' designed for a large home determinded by its smaller bag capacity. | ||
| Post# 212716 , Reply# 167 1/5/2013 at 12:15 (4,128 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 212723 , Reply# 168 1/5/2013 at 12:37 (4,128 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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You guys want strong: My Riccar 1700 canister could pull dry paint off a wall!! The suction on this unit is phenomenal. Generally I run it at half power, it's really rare to need the full blast of suction power that this machine produces. Even with power nozzle, many times I run it half or the next level up but rarely on full power. I've had some vacuums in the past where the suction is so strong it slows down agitation, you don't want that. Agitator needs to runs full throttle, so you need a comfortable suction level that allows power nozzle to do its job, while still making a good seal with carpet.
I have many friends in the vacuum repair business. They like Miele but they all swear by the Tacony Riccar and Simplicity lines as well. Regardless what vacuum you get, replace your bags at about 3/4 full, keep filters clean, wipe out bag housing every few bag changes and if you're using HEPA bags, the housing stays clean. Don't slam them down, Don't crash them into furniture or other stupid things and they should be fine. Many people with expensive vacuums also have housekeepers that don't care about the vacs and never change bags. Mieles are more expensive for parts, belts, bags and overall machine. The Tacony's also use universal fit hose handles to fit attachments from Kirby, Kenmore, Panasonic, most Hoover uprights and many other lines. I don't know about the Miele hose. Here's a thing on reliability of what many predict in giving sales speech compared to actuality. My family has owned several Hoover PowerMax/ Windtunnel canisters. Most were about $200 brand new, one may have been about $300. Online reviews from some vac experts and customers has said that bag doors crack around the hose, plastic is very cheap, fair suction, and overall machine would last 5-10 years closer to the 7 year mark. Well from personal experience all of these reviews are FULL OF GARBAGE. Here's why and all of our machines have been used and abused by several house keepers that clean for my parents every week in addition to using the units ourselves. My family keeps a record of everything all appliances and other important purchases they buy in a spreadsheet, so I know purchase dates. The first one I remember very well because it was the day before my 15th birthday. Unplanned that way for the timing of a vacuum purchase as our previous vacuum died but it happened. Hoover PowerMax S3603-040 purch. Sept. 1997- now 15 years old still runs flawlessly. Have replaced cord due to house keepers running it over. Replaced hose--(original material was not good, Hoover upgraded around 1999 to better material.) Replaced rear power nozzle wheels. Cleaning lady dropped this machine down the steps and broke handle and rear wheel, so we replaced the base. Rest of machine is original. Motors are originally. I love this machine, my sister has it though. Hoover TurboPower 5000 S3577 purch. May 1998-- this one was a lesser model and not as powerful. Cord reel broke around 2004 and we put this unit in attic as a back up. It has since been parted out to fix other machines. Both motors run excellent!! Power nozzle is completely intact. Hoover PowerMax Runabout S3614 purch. December 2001-- replaced cord reel. All else is original. Machine works fine. Hoover PowerMax Deluxe S3607 purch. Feb. 2003. as factor refurb. This machine was used semi-commercially cleaning about 3 houses a week for a few years in addition to my own home. Headlight socket replaced was replaced. Sister's XFiance killed this machine cleaning under a dishwasher that had been leaking, prior to arrival of new dishwasher. I guess you can't fix stupid, I think he's lucky to be alive. I found lots of evidence of water pickup. One of the commutator contacts on motor broke off. We took the motor from the Turbo Power above and put into this unit. Power nozzle still runs excellent and I own it. Hoover PowerMax Deluxe S3608 Purch. May 2004. My parents now most used machine. Replaced motor carbon brushes November 2012. I did the repair myself it cost about $12. Rest of machine is original and works phenomenal. Hoover Windtunnel Plus S3639 purch. August 2008. This machine was in their vacation house where I lived full time for 3 years. Up until recently when this vacation house was emptied and its now with my parents as they moved and condensed 3 houses together. So my point of this is that listening to stores you hear one thing, owning is another. Of these 6 "questionable quality" machines from repair shops the oldest is over 15 years old and newest is almost 5. One was killed by a drunk thinking it was a wet/dry vacuum. All of the others have original motors that have never needed service. I'd be willing to bet you get 20 years from a Tacony vacuum!! If anyone has any questions, please let me know! | ||
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Post# 212728 , Reply# 169 1/5/2013 at 12:55 (4,128 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter and CTSooner, Contact Kirby and Rainbow and Filter Queen for in home demonstrations of the current models. They are about $2000 a piece. They are able to be financed for three years with small monthly payments. | ||
| Post# 212750 , Reply# 170 1/5/2013 at 14:19 (4,128 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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KirbyUltimateG ...
Not to shoot down your suggestions (and correct me if I'm wrong), but: -- Kirby's set-up requires just short of a Broadway production to use attachments; -- Rainbow's painstakingly high-maintenance 12-step process with the water turns a 5-minute quick sweep into an afternoon project; -- Filter Queen's bagless system is extremely messy to empty. | ||
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Post# 212757 , Reply# 171 1/5/2013 at 14:35 (4,128 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Hahaha
NYCWriter. I couldn't agree more!! Not to mention all 3 of those would take up lots of storage space which in a Manhattan apartment wouldn't do well. The Kirby's are big, bulky and heavy. The attachments and hose all store separate from the unit and could fill an entire closet. Definitely not the machine for a user like you that wants to stop and switch to attachments in a split second. Not to mention I tried to use my Kirby with attachments on bare floor. I didn't think Kirby had a good bare floor tool so I borrowed another vacs. Well Kirby hose broke due to wand angle so you have to have a separate adapter on there to angle the hose for wands. Just too many steps to make it worth while and its obnoxiously loud with attachments. Reminded me of using a Dirt Devil upright.
The Filter Queens are very messy to empty. Depending on how OCD one gets, you may feel the urge to check and empty the unit after each cleaning like a bagless vacuum. The cones clog with dust and lose suction fast. Power nozzles are under powered and the 2 units I've tried weren't the most powerful suction either. My Hoover PowerMax outcleaned this unit at a cost that was probably 1/6 the price. The Rainbow will need water changed and then all parts rinsed and dried so you don't get mildew growing. It's a heavy bulky system. Cleans well but again lots of attachments and very bulky. Would definitely eat up your closet space. Although one thing about a Rainbow you can have it plugged in round the clock and used as an air cleaner on low speed. It runs quiet and they have scents to put in the water to make the area smell good. But again in an apartment do you want that plugged in all of the time??? Thoughtful suggestion but units aren't practical. Get a Simplicity/ Riccar the power nozzle stores on the unit on a resting post with suction unit standing on its end. You'll love the suction. On medium power you get tons of suction and it's SOOOO QUIETTT!!! | ||
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Post# 212763 , Reply# 173 1/5/2013 at 15:18 (4,128 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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By the way, You are able to shampoo carpets/rugs/stairways/furniture/car interiors with the Kirby and the Rainbow. Once you have a Kirby/Rainbow/Filter Queen, You will never go back to other brands. | ||
| Post# 212768 , Reply# 174 1/5/2013 at 15:34 (4,128 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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KirbyUltimateG ...
I give you major snaps for your persistence. I assure you -- I happen to love Kirbys. And maybe one day when I actually have a home with stairways ... and perhaps even a car with an interior to clean -- I will revisit the notion of getting one. But until then ... in my comparatively small-ish Manhattan apartment ... none of those three are practical. | ||
| Post# 212770 , Reply# 175 1/5/2013 at 15:56 (4,128 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
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One brand I haven't seen suggested here is Lindhaus. While I don't have one, I've heard great things about them. They can quickly convert to a bare floor vacuum, have great filtration, and can be used for deep cleaning.
CLICK HERE TO GO TO mieles7's LINK | ||
| Post# 212771 , Reply# 176 1/5/2013 at 16:00 (4,128 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 212775 , Reply# 177 1/5/2013 at 16:21 (4,128 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Kirbyloverdan ...
I never said my apartment was "tiny". Compared to other homes across the United States, however, it's certainly not a 4,000 square foot McMansion; five decent-sized rooms, two hallways and an entry foyer. Probably around 1000 square feet. A beefed-up electric broom is really not enough. | ||
| Post# 212776 , Reply# 178 1/5/2013 at 16:25 (4,128 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
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| Post# 212777 , Reply# 179 1/5/2013 at 16:35 (4,128 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Matt
you keep saying you have no room 1000 sqaure feet is really large for NY . Simplicity and Riccars out clean a Kirby so much for a beefed up Broom . Maybe you better learn more about vacuums before you claim to know something you dont know anything about . I am done with nasty people good luck in your never ending quest.I find it hard to belive what little most supposed collectors know about vacuums . I never needed to ask anyone how to fix something or what to buy . I guess if you really are into something like I am you just learn by trial and error .
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Post# 212783 , Reply# 180 1/5/2013 at 17:03 (4,128 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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My house is a Levittown style Cape Cod style house built in 1953. It has 3 bedrooms/1 bathroom with full basement and 2 car detached garage. The garage was built in 1960. The 1st floor is 876 sq ft. The 2nd floor is 396 sq ft. The basement is 792 sq ft. My house is a total of 2064 sq ft. | ||
| Post# 212794 , Reply# 182 1/5/2013 at 18:17 (4,128 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Kirbyloverdan: "you keep saying you have no room 1000 sqaure feet is really large for NY . Simplicity and Riccars out clean a Kirby so much for a beefed up Broom . Maybe you better learn more about vacuums before you claim to know something you dont know anything about . I am done with nasty people good luck in your never ending quest.I find it hard to belive what little most supposed collectors know about vacuums . I never needed to ask anyone how to fix something or what to buy . I guess if you really are into something like I am you just learn by trial and error ."
WOW. I've been on many controversial discussion forums, but I never expected the claws to come out on a freaking VACUUM website. I never claimed to be an expert, which is why I reached out on this forum. And reviewing my comments, I don't recall being nasty. If I came across that way, that was not my intention and I apologize. I'm glad you never needed to ask someone how to fix anything. More power to you. Some of us don't have the room for workshops, or frankly the time to delve into such projects. Type "A" professional New Yorkers like myself find it much more practical to just pick up the phone, call a repairman, and write a check. | ||
| Post# 212795 , Reply# 183 1/5/2013 at 18:22 (4,128 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Hey there Troy Rob!
The lightweight vacs you mention are all very good, but if you read this full thread, Matt prefers to store only one vacuum, not a pair of units. Let's wait to see what he says after trying out some of the vacs he is interested in in his local vac stores. It looks like he has already narrowed down the choice to a few vacs: the Miele uprights and power nozzle canisters, and the Tacony and Royal power nozzle canisters. :-) | ||
| Post# 212822 , Reply# 185 1/5/2013 at 22:29 (4,128 days old) by kirbylux77 (London, Ontario, Canada) | ||
Panasonic Performance Plus Platinum upright
NYCWriter, that would be my first suggestion to you for an upright. These vacuums are VERY light to push, have stretch hose & onboard tools, & a barefloor shifter to shut brushroll off & clean barefloor. Cloth HEPA bags can be purchased in bulk online for inexpensive prices, so there would hardly be any dust emissions. And it's also nice that they have a metal bottom plate & brushroll for durability. And Panasonic is known for reliability...it's very common to see a Panasonic upright come in for repair from the early 1990's where I live. However, having said those things....DO NOT buy a retail-grade Panasonic!! They are NOT built as well as the Performance Plus Platinum line found at dealers, & you will find many complaints about retail models on sites like Amazon. I would also suggest you steer far away from the Panasonic copycats, like the Riccar Vibrance & Fuller Brush uprights. My dealer, when he was still in business, got the Carpet Pro, Fuller Brush & Riccar Vibrance uprights to sell (as they are all made by Tacony) & had motor problems with all 3 lines! In particular, he had I think 3 or 4 of the Riccar Vibrance models come in needing new motors at 2 years old....unimpressive considering they came with a 4 year motor warranty. Panasonic's Performance Plus Platinum line truly is the best over all the "wannabe's" on the market, & best of all, they cost the same too!
The Oreck, Simplicity, Riccar & Hoover lightweight uprights....I would IMMEDIATELY rule them out. I have an Oreck XL2000RHB Commercial, same as the household Oreck XL's without the headlight, & hate it. Cleaning power is pathetic....hardly any airflow....and brushroll bristles are way too soft! And I have tried the others, too, with similar opinions of them too. Bottom line- they are what a lot of people call them, oversized broom vac's. Considering they want $300 & $400 for these uprights, why spend that kind of money when other full-size uprights clean better for far less money?! Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition & Royal Lexon S20 canisters.....Again, rule them right out! The Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Edition has a BIG PROBLEM with the circuit board failing prematurely & requiring replacement under warranty. The 2 wires that are permanently connected to the board that supply power to the PN receptacle on the canister fail prematurely, & since those wires can't be removed & replaced, that requires replacement of the entire board. Some people claim TTI/Hoover has resolved the issue, but I don't buy it for a minute! Royal Lexon S20 canisters are the same canister with different cosmetics, different hose/wand/PN, so I would also rule it out too since it would use the same faulty circuit board. Kenmore & Panasonic canisters....Rule them out! First off, the older models, including present-model Panasonic canisters, have problems with the PN receptacle in the hose handle, wand PN receptacle, & quick-release PN plug, burning out over time. Those can be replaced easily at home, & can also be avoided with careful usage. However, the major problem with these vacuums of recent has been their motors! Panasonic switched I believe around 2005 to a new motor design that has been VERY unreliable....it's very common to see a Panasonic or Kenmore canister come into the repair shop between 4-6 years old with a burnt-up motor, requiring a replacement, & a $200 repair bill later. Also, for the allergy sufferer....yes it's nice you can use Cloth HEPA bags, but the HEPA filter is an unsealed system, & LOTS of air escapes around the filter unfiltered, defeating it's purpose to begin with. And not impressive considering to get a entry-level Kenmore with decent features, you're gonna spend $300; about $300-$400 for the Panasonic MCG 902 with equivalent features as the Kenmore. Why spend that when for $100-$200 more, you can buy a S2 Miele with their legendary filtration?! Riccar/Simplicity canisters....Here's my take on them. Yes, they are a good product. BUT when you start comparing them to Miele & Sebo, they don't look so good. Why? Well, they sell in the same price range, have comparable features, Cloth HEPA bags, Sealed HEPA filtration, etc....BUT what they will not be so quick to tell you is only the Riccar Impeccable, Riccar Immaculate, Simplicity Gusto & Simplicity Moxie are the ONLY MODELS that are actually made in America. And even then, ONLY THE BODY IS MADE IN AMERICA & IT'S MOLDED & THE VACUUM IS ASSEMBLED THERE! The fact is, ALL THEIR COMPONENTS are outsourced to Kingclean in China....suction motor, circuit boards, ALL OF IT are sourced from China. And the rest of their canisters, such as the Riccar Pristine & Simplicity Verve, are made by Kingclean in China. The ONLY component that is NOT Chinese-made is the electric hoses....those are outsourced to Hanmi in South Korea. My local dealer, before he went out of business, carried the Riccar Pristine & 1500P for his customers, & he had HUGE problems with the Pristine! He was literally getting brand new vacuums, & took them out & turned them on...fine. 2nd time he goes to turn it on in front of a customer....failed circuit boards!! Needless to say, he was NOT impressed...and this happened with I think 5 or 6 vacuums he received, that he had to ship back to them & have new canisters sent to replace them. Considering they are asking the same as Miele wants for their products, & prices for bags & filters are comparable to Miele bags & filters, I don't know where your loyalties lie, but I would personally choose German engineering & components over American engineering & Chinese components. Miele....Yes, they are a good product, & arguably one of the best choices you could buy right now in a canister. BUT they are VERY overpriced for what you get. And the cost of their bags & filters is absolutely ridiculous. $20 for one 4 pack of bags?!?! $50-$60 for a HEPA filter?!?! Madness! Way too expensive to use & maintain on a regular basis, at least for my liking. I actually have 2 Miele's that hardly see any use for that very reason, & have considered many times selling them. Also, about the Miele S8 uprights...sure they are nice, but again the high cost of the bags would deter me. Especially when the Panasonic Performance Plus Platinum uprights use Cloth HEPA bags, they clean just as well, & the Optiflow models do have a HEPA filter before the motor now, making them sealed. And generic Cloth HEPA bags can be found for the Panasonic for 1/2 the cost of Miele bags, that would work just as well at containing the dust. Sebo....I would completely disagree with Rob Shore's comments above! I personally own a Sebo Airbelt C3.1 canister with the ET-C computerized powerhead, & I love it!! And I will one day justify upgrading to the D4 Airbelt model, probably when in 10 or 15 years from now my C3.1 motor finally dies. I personally like the hose on my Sebo better than my 2 Miele's....I find it more flexible, longer, & not as rigid. Plus it's also nice that the speed control is right at my fingertips. You can use the speed control to shut down the entire vacuum from the hose. Only disadvantage with Sebo is unless you have the ET-1 powerhead, there is no way to shut off the brushroll, as there is no on/off switch on the hose for the powerhead. Rob Shore has mentioned in the past he felt that Sebo's suction & airflow wasn't as strong as Miele....I haven't found that to be the case. The bags are bigger on Sebo D4 than Miele's G/N bags that the S8 Series uses, & Sebo's bag & filters are more reasonably priced, too. I will agree with Rob that the ET-1 powerhead isn't as good as the Miele SEB228 or SEB236, the brushes are softer on Sebo ET-1 & doesn't groom as aggressively. However, the Sebo ET-C L shaped computerized powerhead is still available, so you could always specify your new D4 come with the ET-C instead of the ET-1. If that isn't possible, then you could buy an ET-C powerhead separately & sell the ET-1 on Ebay. Tools are just as nice on the D4 as the Miele models too. And I personally feel that the Sebo canisters are better made & better quality than Miele. Due to this, & the bag & filter costs, I would choose Sebo over Miele. Here are my reccomendations to you for a canister, NYCWriter. Sebo if you want a German-made canister with high-end filtration & features. I would also suggest you look at a REFURBISHED older-model Aerus Electrolux canister on Ebay. One really good way to go would be to buy one from American Vacuum Supply on Ebay. They have the plastic-bodied Electrolux canisters, usually under $250, refurbished with brand new Electrolux motor installed. Then I would walk into your Aerus dealer, & buy a brand new hose, wand, & powerhead with the new-style brushroll, & new tools to complete it. This way, you are essentially getting a brand-new Electrolux BUT with the better-quality double stage motor Electrolux was known for, not their crappy single-stage Johnson Electric motors they use now. And you can also use the Perfect Cloth HEPA bags in them, which are very inexpensive, & the afterfilters, & get very good filtration....comparable to a Miele with the Super Air Clean filter installed & using the Cloth HEPA bags. Yes, they may not have fancy features such as speed control, but if you want reliability & a cleaner that cleans circles around the others, you can't beat a well-maintained Electrolux canister. I would imagine you could put everything together for a total cost of around $800-$1000. If you don't mind buying a Chinese-made product: I would also suggest looking at the Perfect C101 metal canister, that is a copy of the Electrolux Diamond Jubilee but without the Automatic Control feature for bag changes. It has SUPERIOR suction to ANYTHING suggested above, or in any of the other member's posts....125" waterlift! That's 25% more than Miele, Riccar/Simplicity or Sebo even have!! Plus, they have a on/off switch on the hose handle for the powerhead, & they have perfected the L-shaped Electrolux powerhead & made it an excellent groomer & deep-cleaner with the new chevron brushroll. Tools are exactly the same as you would see on an Electrolux, except they offer a hand turbobrush instead of a Sidekick. But you could always buy a Sidekick for it at an Aerus dealer or on Ebay if you have to have one. You can use Electrolux 4-ply bags for economy, or for great filtration you can use the Perfect Cloth HEPA bags. A refurbished TriStar CXL or DXL on Ebay would also be another great choice. Metal body, great suction, simple classic design that there's hardly anything to break down. Motor can always be replaced or have carbons changed when it's time. And the powerhead is OK, but if you desire something more powerful, a Sweep & Groom powerhead & new wands can always be purchased & used with the TriStar. As for filtration, you can purchase the Medik-Aire HEPA filter offered with the Patriot & Air-Storm TriStar copycat vacuums, & use that with your TriStar. Pricey at $200 a filter, BUT you should be able to get 5 years usage out of one too. If I was in your shoes, I would be looking hard at the Perfect & a refurbished Electrolux myself. Perhaps the Panasonic uprights, but then again I am more a canister guy myself. Best of luck to you, & hopefully I have been of some help....Rob | ||
| Post# 212829 , Reply# 186 1/5/2013 at 23:23 (4,128 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
NYCwriter, if you are set on an upright that is convenient to use but are willing to compromise as far as on board tools are concerned, the latest Aerus Guardian Upright maybe a good choice. The latest model is much more powerful then any previous Electrolux upright, and its a tried and true design that's been around for more then 20+ years. The commercial version, the ProLux, has been used by many large retail chains like CVS and RadioShak for year and both commercial and domestic units can stand up to years of hard use. The domestic model also comes with a 10 warranty.
The machine is a pretty straight forward design that's very easy to use, and it has two motors which allows the brush roll to be shut off when cleaning bare floors. As for the attachments, they are not stored on-board but they are all stored in a nice sturdy caddy which doesn't take up much room. It could even by hung from a large hook mounted inside a closet so it doesn't take up any floor space. The attachments that come with the upright are nearly the same as those that have been offered with Electrolux canisters for decades. The hose that comes with the machine is also electrified and a small electric power head is included as well, which is great for cleaning upholstery and bedding. I don't know of any other upright on the market that has an electric hose, only straight suction with air powered tools. The hose insert directly into the top of the machine, no bending or fussing is necessary and it really couldn't be any easier to set up. While some find the lack of on-board attachments to be a bother, I happen to prefer not having them on the machine. It usually makes the machine lighter and easier to maneuver around furniture since they aren't as bulky. I also like how all the attachments are neatly stored in their own caddy. If you use a vacuum to dust or do above the floor cleaning then the Lux is an excellent choice because of the hose length and where it is positioned on the machine. The Lux is in the same price range and the TOL Miele S7 machines but they are user friendly and will last a very long time. The bags aren't huge but they are very inexpensive compared to some high filtration bags and the machine also has a standard HEPA filter. Check out the Aerus if you can, I think you will like it. I'm in north shore Long Island and we still have several dealers that aren't that far away, so I'm sure you will be able to find a few dealers in the city. Best of luck! ~Steven | ||
| Post# 212857 , Reply# 189 1/6/2013 at 08:03 (4,128 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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GM1982
I'm surprised to hear about air leaking from around the HEPA filter. I know air escapes from the handle area of my 6500 but I don't believe Electrolux had ever claimed it was a totally sealed system and as I'm sure you know the current model still doesn't have a HEPA filter.
As for using the tools with the Lux upright, I guess that really comes down to a personal preference. I have had the Discovery II, Epic 3500, and Aerus Lux 3000 in the past, probably for a total of more then 10 years and I didn't find it a problem to use the tools, but that is all dependent on the user, and of course it certainly wasn't my sole vacuum. The Miele S7 sounds like a fabulous machine. I haven't used one yet but I've had 3 Miele canisters in the past and they were terrific machines. All were quiet, very powerful, and well made. I really liked my Blue Moon and its large bag as well as the power nozzle that had the metal bottom (224?) which cleaned my wool area rug better then the 236 pn. The 236 however was amazing on every other type of carpeting that I have and worked well for quick bare floor cleaning. It was quite heavy which I think helps it really dig into the carpet. I've heard some complaints about the handle being heavy and there was a thread on this forum a few years ago where 2 members had a problem with the S7 hose. I have yet to use a Sebo Felix. The Felix looks like a nice machine and since it came out many forum members have given it a favorable review. I just can't imagine using it for extensive above the floor cleaning since it seems bulky and the standard hose is short. However the option to remove to power nozzle and use the parquet tool is very appealing. | ||
| Post# 212883 , Reply# 191 1/6/2013 at 12:48 (4,127 days old) by lunchboxsean () | ||
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Simple You want to reduce noise and dust but want a high end cleaner. Simple solution. Miele 7580. Superior hepa filtration, quiet, great carpet grooming, fantastic build quality. Should run you 700-800 bucks. Some of the best money you'll ever spend. | ||
| Post# 212890 , Reply# 192 1/6/2013 at 13:42 (4,127 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Thank you lunchbox ...
And the irony here ... nearly 200 replies later ... is that I'll likely end up right where I was when I first posted ... with the Miele upright.
After, of course, I do a few other test drives. Unfortunately -- who are we kidding -- it's highly unlikely I'm going to go to the Bronx or Long Island to buy a vacuum (or even test one). If it's not sold in Manhattan, it'll probably be a "no". | ||
| Post# 212917 , Reply# 195 1/6/2013 at 15:52 (4,127 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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GM1982' My lux dealer is selling the platinum to anyone off the steet for 1299. Got mine 2 months ago for less than that. I agree with you 100 % on aerus marketing I don't know how they compete with the average consumer | ||
| Post# 212927 , Reply# 197 1/6/2013 at 17:34 (4,127 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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"Aerus ... they need to get out of the draconian direct sales mantra and market themselves better, or else they will not be able to compete with the rest of the Top Brands."
Indeed. The world has changed since 1963. A very big reason why Miele is outselling brands like Electrolux and Kirby is that it's just so damn hard to even FIND those brands anywhere. | ||
| Post# 212939 , Reply# 202 1/6/2013 at 19:26 (4,127 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Headlights - a pro or a con?
Personally I feel no need for headlights on an upright. Oh I know that the U.S and Canada love them - that's why mostly all uprights have them as standard. In most of Europe and the UK there is no call for headlights -its another thing to replace when they go. I like the LEDs that Miele fit on their S7 but its not standard across the range with the addition solely exclusive on the two top of the line models that Miele in the UK sell.
Clearly then that paints the story - if they were that important you'd have thought Miele would have fitted them right across the S7 upright range. | ||
| Post# 212944 , Reply# 203 1/6/2013 at 20:50 (4,127 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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ctsooner and sebo fan:
I'll definitely try out a Sebo before making my decision.
And as far as headlights -- I don't see why anyone would prefer to *not* have them. And for units over $300, not including them is just plain cheap. Sort of like the Hoover Convertible uprights from the '60s and '70s that provided a nearly 360 degree rubber bumper surround only on their "deluxe" models, and for the lesser models installed rubber bumpers that reached around only the front and halfway back along the sides. Really?? Rubber was SO expensive Hoover couldn't afford to spring for those remaining 8 inches or so on the cheaper units?? | ||
| Post# 212949 , Reply# 204 1/6/2013 at 21:25 (4,127 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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I find headlights really useful - it helps to warn you before you run the vac over something in the dark under an office desk, or in a dark corner or under the edge of a bed or behind the Lazyboy lounger in the den. It also helps to see if you missed something - even in the wide open turf of carpet in the middle of a room. Sometimes, the headlight sheds light on the dirt or a pen that is hiding between your night-table and your bed ("Oh that's where THAT went...."). And certainly, for those uprights that can be used to clean bare floors, it helps a lot to avoid vacuuming up a liquid spill in the bathroom or running into plastic bags on the floor in the kitchen or socks on the floor under a bed - when sucked up these can clog your airpath and force you to stop what your doing to fix the clog.
Headlights also give some "life" to the vac when you turn it on! It's like it's got its eyes open in the search for dirt! I must say, I love the little "flashlight" Miele has integrated into the hose handle on the S8 canisters! What a simple yet really useful idea - can you imagine how this will help cleaning a car in a dark garage? I've often had to bring a flashlight down to the garage to see what is lurking under the car seats! And headlights are really simple electrical devices to add to a vacuum's power head - two wires and a teeny lightbulb on the old Eurekas gave us some brilliant illumination on the Rugulator uprights. LEDs look really cool now - not sure how much more complicated the wiring needs to be for them. It just goes to show you how the market really works in synergy with the marketers to define what is a valuable feature. We in North America rarely get a "radiator" brush as an attachment with our canisters now - these seem to be standard in a vac package in Europe. Europe has this great idea which has yet to ever catch on in North America: floor polishers that vacuum up the dust as you buff! (The Sebo Felix sold here allows you to buy the attachment that does this here now) :-) Matt - I sure hope you know how to upload videos to YouTube! :-) We cleanerphiles are going to want to see the new toy you bring home once you decide which one to buy! | ||
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Post# 212958 , Reply# 205 1/6/2013 at 23:38 (4,127 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Try before you buy
CTSooner, I would not rebid that demo Simplicity Moxie. I would definitely get warranty. Any manufacturer can have a lemon.
Rob Walton- KirbyLux77, I don't believe I ever stated that Mieles had bad suction. I tried Vaccrazy's Meile Blue Moon and thought it was a great machine with terrific suction. The SEB236 did seem to steer where it wanted and 100% where I wanted but otherwise it was a nice machine. Unfortunately that's the only Miele I have EVER had the opportunity to try. A really nice feature of many Mieles is you can park the wands in the back of the canister and it will turn off the machine while you readjust furniture etc. Then machine turns on again upon taking wands out of storage. NYCWriter- I don't think you've been nasty at all. I have no problems with any of your posts. Just wanted to put that out, I'm not sure what set off Kirbyloverdan on that. Just out of curiosity what is the dislike towards Long Island. I've heard Bronx is not the nicest area but never heard anything bad about Long Island. It's my belief both are about 10 minutes away in a taxi. Please enlighten and/ or criticize me if any of that is inaccurate!! For CTSooner, NYCWriter and anyone else seeking a vacuuming I am sticking by my Sebo feelings 110% of completely avoiding them!!! One thing you need to realize if you already haven't is that private dealer vacuum stores do not have the generous return policies like Big Box stores Lowe's, Home Depot or others. Once you purchase and leave that store with a vacuum, YOU BETTER LIKE IT!!! Try, try, try, test, use all accessories, move it around, try different carpet types, bring in a small carpet sample of your own from home or a throw rug from your home and see how you like on all these surfaces. See if the store will let you take a unit home and test it at your home for a day. What I like on the Sebo D4: long 40' cord, very fast cord retractor, sealed system, very quiet, nice upholstery nozzle, metal bottom extension on telescoping wand, variable speed at fingertips, easy to service brush roll, durable, solid construction and reliability. What to be cautious of with them: -- Sebo's only power nozzle that you can turn agitator off for bare floors or otherwise is the ET-1 power nozzle. On that one, it is a very tiny button on the power head that is operable but yet very difficult to turn off with your feet, or maybe my size 10 shoes are just too big for it!! Inexcusable for price paid!! -- No headlight on any Sebo. On a canister power nozzle where you can go under beds and other furniture, I find this inexcusable especially when paying $800 or so!!! -- Poor carpet grooming, poor carpet cleaning. On a low profile commercial grade carpet it will zap up rice and other dirt. On a thicker rug, the power head seems to lack the power to properly groom and clean the rug. On a looser weave rug or area rug, the power nozzle turns itself off and is completely incapable of cleaning these rugs at all!!! -- No edge cleaning on one side, the other side edge cleaning is still terrible. -- Electric hose wiring connector constantly disconnects itself and flaps around in the air at hose handle. I've never seen a canister vacuum with this awkward loose wire that connects wiring in hose to handle. All of this should be internal, sloppily done in my mind!! --Inside of suction unit handle has very sharp seam. On occasion I do quick cleanings and vacuum in a hurry. I carry the suction unit in one hand and maneuver power nozzle with other. It's too hard and uncomfortable to do that with the Sebo. Terrible handle design. --Suction is good, but the Tacony and even another customers Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary canister is stronger. I always run the Sebo on full blast to get the unit to clean right and am still not happy with carpet results. At my other clients on her Berbers I drop the the Hoover Anniversary down to 60% power. My workshop at relatives house where we have Riccar 1700 I run it primarily at 60% power regardless of surface being cleaned and results for both are FANTASTIC!! Yet the Sebo is the newest of all those units. -- Dusting brush is a joke. Very teeny, tiny and yet bulky plastic on it, makes it difficult to reach many others that you'd want a dusting brush for. --Unit itself is quite bulky and crashes into everything and awkward to carry. -- No connection on power nozzle wands to attach power head to suction base for one handed carrying around premises. This is a feature that is nearly standard on several other brands of canister vacuums such as Hoover, Royal, Panasonic, Kenmore, Riccar, Simplicity, Miele and others. -- Only hose handle functions for user is variable speed. -- Bend down turn dial for height adjuster. Most canisters are foot pedal -- Hose handle is uncomfortable after several minutes use-- I have new blisters on my hands from the Sebo. --Non universal hand grip WILL NOT FIT other manufacturers attachments!! To each user a new experience. We all have likes, dislikes. In my opinion the dislikes outweigh the pros for the D4 and I strongly recommend against it!! I've been a canister vacuum lover since around 9 years old. I am now 30, and I can't think of a canister vac that I have a harder time with than the D4. I don't like the power nozzle set up on the Kenmore Intuition canisters but at least on that unit it has convenient finger tip controls, powerful suction and better cleaning power over the Sebo. The Kenmore has standard size hose and will fit other manufacturer attachments along with many other Kenmore/ Panasonic power heads. I have also spoken with Tom Gasko who is on the inside at Tacony and they have made lots of changes to their products and don't have those problems anymore. I know many repair shops that have terrific success with Riccar/ Simplicity and Miele!! The Perfect C101 is a nice machine, I recommend looking at that. Mieles are decent, Riccar, Simplicity, Lindhaus Aria is one to look at. Just my 2 cents again!! Want to make sure you REALLY KNOW WHAT YOU'RE BUYING!! | ||
| Post# 212968 , Reply# 206 1/7/2013 at 06:15 (4,127 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Where all things considered NYC, you have to consider what you need rather than desire. It may be the case that money is no object but Id definitely consider any machine with a longer hose or a long power cord which will be easier to use in a large flat.
Sadly SEBO U.S has not yet bought in the suction only D series canister vacs. Im completely happy with my D2 as it lacks the power nozzle function and I can vacuum whatever I want as my D2 Total comes with interchangeable floor heads. It is strange that even now after a year's release, SEBO U.S have not yet brought the lower line models in. If you are that interested in Sebo's larger canister contact Sebo U.S and ask them if they can bring in a suction only D2. It won't hurt if you ask! But then when all things considered, I'm not a fan of heavy vacuums; the D2 is probably the heaviest canister vac I own. I don't believe that in all my years of experience, a heavier vacuum cleaner is easier to use or sustains constant or closer physical presence to a carpet, hard floor or rug. I've read other reports of other brand power nozzles snagging on rugs including Miele's different types. For years we were led to believe that uprights gave better performance on carpets just because we had power nozzles and beater bars. NO wonder its confusing in the U.S as the UK don't have many canisters with power nozzles in the fear that it will kill upright sales and also for the fact that whenever they have appeared, Power nozzle fitted canisters can end up being far heavier than a conventional, older upright vacuum that the owner once had. By design canisters should be smaller, lighter to lift and with comparative parts that are just as light and easy to use. In recent years, the push to equip canisters with power nozzles somewhat drowns out the old equation that a canister is automatically lighter and easier to control than a bulkier upright. Rugs are also all very well to have in a home but unless they are nailed to a floor, they can be difficult to clean, regardless of whether you use a suction only floor head or a power nozzle. I generally find suction only floor heads can get rid of dust but at all times you have to stand on the rug to clean it, to avoid it being scooped up by the floor head. If it is of small size, I shake them outside my front door! Also I dont believe that by buying a top of the line Miele will get the best results. Here in the UK you can custom build to your needs - so a a base line model that is about to retire, or a model that has limited life left in the range such as Miele's S5000 range (replaced by the new S8) could be an excellent cheaper to buy vacuum cleaner dependent on your needs. It depends on what you are offered at the time of purchase in terms of different floor heads for example - the base machines have great power (and I'm sorry Durango but Sebo's upholstery brush on the D is exactly the same as Miele's round brush, both made by Wessel Werks) and have the ability of storing all of its three smaller cleaning tools inside a flap within the body of the vacuum - the newer S2 and S6 models lack this facility, with the S6 having a much smaller dust capacity bag compared to the bigger GN dust bag fitted in the budget line S2, S5 and S8. Statistically, the Thunder has a 3 litre dust bin capacity - Miele's GN bags are 4.5 litres to 5 litres capacity DEPENDENT ON the design of the internal dust bin. Having just had a look at the U.S site, Miele's retired S728 canister uses the smaller FJM bag but in that design it allows 4 litres of dust maximum compared to the 0.5 litre lost in the more modern S6 and S4 retired line. I know I had all three vacuums - and I find that the much smaller, more modern lighter Miele canisters have smaller internal dust bins compared to the older, heavier S500 and S700 range (not to be confused with the "thousand" model differentiated numbers with the current vacs.) Thus for all your floor needs and cleaning desires, I would go for Miele or any canister vac that can get around your property, evidently requiring a long travel or long cord for convenience but I wouldn't go necessarily with a power nozzle alone, thus the convenience of a canister means you can swap about floor tools. I see Miele US have a Miele S5981 Capricorn that comes with a power nozzle as standard. That's a good all rounder, even if ALL Miele canisters have short power cord lengths. That's a compromise you need to live with unless you go for the SEBO D4 and require a dust bag twice the capacity than your old Thunder and twice the amount of cord length. You can also buy a suction only floor head that could give you a much lighter and faster cleaning experience - all of Miele's suction only floor tools with pedals to change down to carpets are well made - and in my experience a great deal easier to use than coping with a heavy power nozzle. Or if you can't be bothered to change floorheads,try the Miele S7 upright baseline like the S7210 Twist. I may be a SEBO FAN but the SEBO Felix is a great COMPACT upright with a smaller dust bag (3.5 litre but you'll get twice as many bags than Miele's standard 4 in a box) and though it can cope in a large home due to its long power cord, it isn't as easy or fast to use than my X uprights due to the wand release and top hoister design. The Miele S7 has a bigger dust bag than the Felix with a much easier to use wand release and only remains to be less agile due to its physical size. If you must live with LED lights, then go for the Cat and Dog S7260. Anything else by Miele in the U.S above these models seems to be over priced and confusing... Example - the top of the line S7580 has the same spec as the whole range of S7 uprights but comes with extra small cleaning tools. Miele have added the words "electrobrush" as a feature - but they all have that feature!! | ||
| Post# 212976 , Reply# 207 1/7/2013 at 09:20 (4,127 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Durango ...
Size 10, huh? ;) I'm still going to give the Sebo a test drive ... couldn't hurt. But I have to admit that lack of a headlight on the power nozzle is a near-deal killer. Quite often I sweep in less-than-ideal lighting (inside closets, down dim hallways, and with a canister, hopefully, under furniture). I know that the better-built units can suck up nuts and bolts and ball bearings and 50-calibre bullets and just about anything else safely, but just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD. It still stresses the system, and if the headlight catches a foreign object before the sweeper does, all the better to pick it up yourself rather than risk it causing a problem inside the sweeper. I suppose this kind of care is why my Fantom is still almost new after 16 years. We're not talking about an esoteric technology that requires research, patents, and a complete system redesign. It's just a freaking LIGHT. Put one on. Done. I was initially excited about the Riccar being made in the USA -- until I did closer research and learned it's essentially only ASSEMBLED in the USA out of Chinese parts. Boo. So it looks like I'll be test-driving a Royal canister ... Sebo canister ... and both the Miele UniQ and upright. | ||
| Post# 212978 , Reply# 209 1/7/2013 at 09:42 (4,127 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Also Durango ...
I assure you Long Island is nowhere near "10 minutes" from Manhattan. Maybe if you're Samantha Stevens and you can just wiggle your nose and zap yourself there. It takes 10 minutes to wait for the nearest subway train to arrive. Going out to Long Island -- if you don't have a car -- is at least a half-day endeavor (literally) that involves getting yourself to Penn Station (which, depending on where you are in Manhattan can take up to 30 minutes). 10 minutes to walk through the maze and chaos of Penn Station to the even more chaoitic LIRR (Long Island Rail Road) area. 10 minutes to look at the map just to figure out which of the eight or so lines you're taking. Another 10 minutes to buy a ticket. Upwards of 30 minutes to wait for the next departing train. It's now been an hour and a half and your train hasn't even left Penn Station yet! And Long Island really is that ... LONG. Depending on where you're going, it can take as little as 15 minutes on the LIRR (and that's not really to "Long Island" ... that's still Queens!), or, if you're going out to the Hamptons -- 110 miles from Midtown -- it can take 2 hours. Splitting the difference and going to a nearby town like Rockville Center or Hicksville, its about 35 minutes.
Now it gets really interesting. Your train arrives, say, at Hicksville (half hour to Penn, 40 minutes buying ticket and waiting for train, and 35 minutes to Hicksvile -- total time to make the trip out there is 1 hour, 45 minutes). It's a station in a suburban setting (they all pretty much are). Unless you're a commuter FROM Long Island (which I'm not -- I'm a Manhattanite VISITING Long Island), you now have two options to get to your final destination: jitney cab, or walk. Your round-trip LIRR ticket just cost you at least $22. The jitney will cost you at least another $20 round-trip. Bottom line, as you can see, going to a store in Long Island, for a Manhattanite, is about as convenient as going to a store in Pittsburgh. Actually, Pittsburgh is at least theoretically quicker; hop a cab to LaGuardia (30 minutes or so), 45-minute flight to Pittsburgh, 15 minute cab to downtown. And we don't do Bronx. We just don't. | ||
| Post# 212993 , Reply# 211 1/7/2013 at 12:22 (4,126 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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Get an Aerus Lux or Miele and call it a day... all of you! lol :) | ||
| Post# 212994 , Reply# 212 1/7/2013 at 12:25 (4,126 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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GM 1982 ...
That store on 23rd Street is strange. Not a real showroom -- they have like three vacuums in the window, and that's it ... and the one time I went in the staff did everything they can to get me the hell out of there as fast as they could.
I just assumed it was one of those many, many New York City store "fronts" for money laundering. Am I incorrect in that assumption? | ||
| Post# 213000 , Reply# 213 1/7/2013 at 12:51 (4,126 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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I may end up with a Miele in the end. Price has to be right though. I guess I can try and buy it on the net as the service can be local. I'd rather get it locally, but the two close dealers won't move to where I want them to I don't think. | ||
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Post# 213010 , Reply# 216 1/7/2013 at 13:40 (4,126 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Most canisters from front of power nozzle to rear of suction unit measures about 11'. Most Riccar/ Simplicity's have 28' cord, Perfect C101 doesn't state cord length on site. Most Mieles on their website claim 33' cleaning radius. Sebo D4 is 40' cord, Royal Lexon SR20 is 40' cord.
CTSooner. Vacuum manufacturers don't change vacuums each year the way automotive manufacturers do. It would be neat if they did!! Kirby won't release anything until 2014 most likely which will be their 100th Anniversary. Rainbow just came out with E2 model, so I wouldn't expect anything from them until about 2015. Miele just released the S8 canister series not sure if they have something else under their belt. Hoover is said to come out with a few things in spring, not sure what though. Royal may come out with something else at that time as well. Simplicity's Moxie and Gusto have not been out long, they replaced the S38 and S36 canisters. They are debuting something else but not sure what. Try a bunch and get what you like. Aerus, Riccar, Simplicity, Miele, Lindhaus, Perfect, Royal or remanufactured from local vacuum shop are my suggestions. Don't overlook Riccar and Simplicity because maybe only assembly is in U.S. Is that better than Sebo and Miele which are strictly Germany? Does it matter more where the machine is made or the features, cleaning power, durability, ease of use? It's your vacuum cleaner!! Kind of makes me wonder if all of this research, trial and criticism goes into a vacuum cleaner. What guidelines are we using for selecting washing machine, refrigerator, lawn mower, car, pair of khakis, pizza, etc. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK | ||
| Post# 213035 , Reply# 219 1/7/2013 at 15:06 (4,126 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 213102 , Reply# 221 1/8/2013 at 09:14 (4,126 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Macys would have very low level. It sort of like checking out Toro at The Home Depot. They have their BOL models there with 2 year warranty. But if you want real quality Toro then you go to a dealer and see the 5 year warranty lines with much smoother transmissions on self propelled mowers along with other quality fixes.
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| Post# 213131 , Reply# 224 1/8/2013 at 11:16 (4,126 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Post# 213135 , Reply# 225 1/8/2013 at 11:43 (4,125 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640) |
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| Post# 213138 , Reply# 226 1/8/2013 at 12:19 (4,125 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Hey Gottahaveahoove ...
That Convertible in your shot is nearly identical to what my mom had when I was growing up ... except the hood, instead of aqua, was that same shade of yellow as that other Convertible in the background.
Quite amazing, really, that Hoover put out so many versions of essentially the same model vacuum during those years. These days, everything is the same. | ||
| Post# 213142 , Reply# 227 1/8/2013 at 12:51 (4,125 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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NYCWriter... If I'm not mistaken on my models and John will be able to correct me if I'm wrong, your mothers Convertible would have been model 1060. | ||
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| Post# 213146 , Reply# 229 1/8/2013 at 13:34 (4,125 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213147 , Reply# 230 1/8/2013 at 13:39 (4,125 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Durango ... | ||
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Post# 213179 , Reply# 231 1/8/2013 at 18:23 (4,125 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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| Post# 213184 , Reply# 232 1/8/2013 at 18:52 (4,125 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213197 , Reply# 233 1/8/2013 at 20:31 (4,125 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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NYCwriter Either one are very good... if you want lighter go with Uniq. S7 will be heavier, but not anything too unbearable, unless your housekeeper is a 90lb lady. | ||
| Post# 213200 , Reply# 234 1/8/2013 at 20:56 (4,125 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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NYCWriter... I'm not exactly sure where I saw this information, but what I saw was that there were two different outer bags just as you describe. One apparently was apart of an earlier run of machines. | ||
| Post# 213217 , Reply# 235 1/8/2013 at 23:44 (4,125 days old) by bimmer740 (Long Island, New York) | ||
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NYCwriter,
I know I mentioned in my earlier post that I'm a Long Island native but I do go into the city quite often and my dad worked just off of Park Ave for nearly 25 years. I don't know how this slipped my mind in my earlier post, but my favorite department store in the world, Bloomingdale’s, now sells Miele vacuums. The one location that is 5 minutes away from me located in Huntington has the Miele Callisto as well as two other canisters and an upright. When I was in the Roosevelt Field location about two weeks ago they seemed to have about 5 different models on display. I'm sure that the flagship store at 59th & Lexington will have a nice selection too. I've only been to the Bloomingdale's in SoHo a handful of times and if I remember correctly they don't really have much of a house wares section. Not sure where you are in the city but the Lexington Ave location is certainly much more accessible then schlepping out to Long Island or Brooklyn. I know that Bloomingdale's isn't exactly the most ideal place to try out a vacuum but I've always found the staff in their house wares department to be much more knowledgeable then any others in the store and if you open a Bloomingdale's credit card (living in NYC though, you may already have one) you usually get 15% off your purchase. ~Steven | ||
| Post# 213242 , Reply# 236 1/9/2013 at 04:20 (4,125 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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S8 Uniq Versus S7 upright
Well, again the old adage - if you need more cable and dust capacity verses compactability and lighter weight, then the S7 should be considered. The S7 is quite a bulky machine but if your flat is large enough with open spaces, large floor space the S7 will be enough for you - however on the mention previously of awkward areas, the S8 would probably be a better bet. Any upright with a large floor head these days can't hope to compensate with the much more nimbler canister floor heads and the thin suction tubes - dont just consider the floor but also the work tops and wall cupboards - they need cleaning too and a canister vac is just so much easier IMHO for getting to those areas.
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| Post# 213270 , Reply# 240 1/9/2013 at 13:44 (4,124 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 213282 , Reply# 241 1/9/2013 at 14:25 (4,124 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Well this board has convinced me ...
CANISTER.
Definitely. I've seen the Mieles, but I won't make a decision until I've also tried the Royal S20 (trip into Brooklyn), Electrolux (venture back into that creepy store on 23rd Street), and the Sebo (another trip into Brooklyn). The Sebo would have to really blow me away, however, to compensate for its lack of a headlight. Yes, I'm one of those Americans who can't imagine vacuuming without a headlight. It's a tiny thing for a manufacturer to install, but an absolutely enormous thing for the user who vacuums in less-than-idea light (dim hallways, under furniture, into closets). I'm amazed that Sebo can take the energy and expense to engineer spinning LED lights to indicate motor speed (something I've managed to live without for 43 years), but can't be bothered with putting a single stationary light on the front of its power nozzle (something I've never been without for 43 years). | ||
| Post# 213289 , Reply# 242 1/9/2013 at 14:39 (4,124 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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I... Don't know if this had been brought up before, but the S20 is based on the Hoover WindTunnel anniversary edition canister. Which has been plagued by electrical problems. | ||
| Post# 213312 , Reply# 243 1/9/2013 at 16:11 (4,124 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Meh. | ||
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TTI bought Hoover and Royal in 2006. TTI owns Hoover and Royal. | ||
| Post# 213343 , Reply# 246 1/9/2013 at 17:25 (4,124 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213359 , Reply# 249 1/9/2013 at 18:41 (4,124 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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NYCWriter "Based On" meaning the same machine with a different colored plastic and different PN. Stories and reports of circuit board failure are everywhere. Go to reply 185 by KirbyLux77 for more info. They may look like a Miele but they'll never come close. | ||
| Post# 213361 , Reply# 250 1/9/2013 at 18:46 (4,124 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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NY, go check out Govac.com video on youtube of D4. I'ts his fav by far. iphone of vacuums. | ||
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Post# 213419 , Reply# 251 1/9/2013 at 23:00 (4,124 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Fantom lightning. I'll say it again!! HOOVER HAS FIXED THE CIRCUIT BOARD PROBLEM!! The circuit board problem affected earlier units of the Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary Bagged canister model S3670. The electrical board controlled the hose switch for the agitator on/off. The board has been remedied so it will not affect power to power nozzle!! You can talk with Guardsman69 on here and he can tell you more. He is longest operated Hoover Warranty dealer.
TTI Floorcare has owned Royal and Dirt Devil for many years. In 2006 after Maytag was acquired by Whirlpool, Hoover was sold. Maytag ran the Hoover company down the drain during the years they owned them. Upon the sale in 2006 Hoover sold for several million dollars less than they were years ago because Maytag ran them down the drain. Royal and Hoover are now owned by TTI. The two machines Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary S3670 and Royal Lexon SR30020 have very similar designed suction units but the Royal has better internal parts. Outside of the suction units these machines are 100% different. Hoover Windtunnel canister:] old style Windtunnel nozzle. A powerful cleaner with powerful motor but: cheap plastic, terrible front and rear wheels, automatic height adjuster, stretch belt, terrible hose. One of the worst hoses on a canister vacuum next to the Sebo D4, which I have blisters from the hose grip handle!! Thanks Sebo... Wand release will go bad after a few years, telescoping wand is cheap Royal Lexon SR30020 canister: New style dual suction chamber power nozzle. 4 carpet manual height adjustment pedal, wand release pedal. Rubber coated front and rear wheels with metal axles, durable, strong built plastic base. Completely sealed system. Serpentine belt, belt protection system. Low profile power nozzle with headlight on lower wand. Better quality telescoping wand over Hoover model. EXTREMELY comfortable, easy to use hose with amazing hand grip. Sealed suction unit. I have internet searched and have not read of any electrical issues with this unit. I have buddies in vacuum business that like this vac and have had great success selling it in their store. Is it the Cadillac of vacuums and built like a Kirby. NO! However this is one very powerful, very easy to use canister vacuum cleaner at a decent price. I would love to own one!! I have recommended looking at the Lindhaus canister vacuums as CTSooner mentioned, no one else has mentioned it. The power nozzle on that is one of if not the best in the industry!! Same power nozzle as the MD central vac Stealth model. Brands I recommend: Royal, Miele, Simplicity, Riccar, Lindhaus, Aerus, Perfect, older Hoover, older TriStar. Miracle Mate is one that looks quite unique and interesting but I've never seen one outside of the internet so I can't recommend without using in person. Anyone with feedback for a Miracle Mate chime in!! With my experience of a few models from the company and over 20 years passion of canister vacuums, and 18 years professionally cleaning houses. I can of no means what so ever recommend a Sebo for what you receive paying that high a price. At $350 its fine. I can 100% honestly say that my Riccar 1700 canister OUTCLEANS the Sebo D4 on several rug pile heights and textures and bare floors!!! The Sebo feels equal to my Riccar at 60% power. With Riccar running at 100% suction power the Sebo is annihilated!!! I would love to take my clients Sebo out and use for target practice or experiment with some C4!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CTSooner I wish you 10,000X, TEN THOUSAND TIMES better luck than I have had with it. CLICK HERE TO GO TO Durango159's LINK | ||
| Post# 213455 , Reply# 253 1/10/2013 at 10:22 (4,124 days old) by hype822 () | ||
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Durango159, we all get how much you hate sebo, you need not bash them over and over again. there are brands that i do not like, but i am not going to keep bashing the brand(s) over and over again. give it a break. | ||
| Post# 213476 , Reply# 255 1/10/2013 at 15:08 (4,123 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213503 , Reply# 257 1/10/2013 at 16:49 (4,123 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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As I pointed out earlier ... | ||
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Post# 213509 , Reply# 258 1/10/2013 at 17:14 (4,123 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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For comparison, How much would these 1968 vacuums cost in today's dollars? Eureka F&G upright/Kirby Dual Sanitronic 80/Rainbow/Filter Queen/Royal. Thank you. | ||
| Post# 213511 , Reply# 259 1/10/2013 at 17:18 (4,123 days old) by mieles7 (TX) | ||
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Here is an inflation calculator you could use to find out how much the vacuums cost.
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| Post# 213515 , Reply# 260 1/10/2013 at 17:25 (4,123 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Longer n lighter
A good point . One aspect i like about my sebo d is that the hose is slightly longer than others AND the all metal tubes are also lighter. Thus in use thered very little need to pulling or lifting the vacuum around.
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Post# 213570 , Reply# 262 1/10/2013 at 22:32 (4,123 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Fantom Lightning
$200-$300 on a Sears Kenmore puts a buyer in their low to mid range. The Orange model at original retail of $229 or the White at original retail of $300.
Orange model in a way is the better of the two because it has a reliable hose that Panasonic/ Kenmore canisters have been using for many years. This hose is a universal fit to fit attachment from many other vacs on market. Quick disconnect wands but these wands are prone to burning wires at power nozzle connection after a few years. Air turbine powered hand tool. The problems with the Orange machine are extremely flimsy plastic for attachment door and main suction unit. Bag compartment is small and bag needs to be folded in half to fit. A new bag style was not produced to fit this machine, instead you still use Kenmore C 50557 bags but fold in half. Kenmore HEPA Q could be used but you'd really be scrunging to get to fit inside. White model is plagued by the Kenmore series new hose style. The handle is very comfortable. However this hose, also found on Blueberry and Red Progressives are not a universal fit and only fit the attachments which come standard with original purchase. The hose handle although comfortable for user is very bulky. Dusting brush and upholstery nozzle are the shape of the suction opening. They are oblong shaped and don't fit in areas well. The upholstery nozzle is a series of fins that looks like Miniblinds. Crevice tool attaches to hose handle and is difficult to remove and reattach. The Kenmore TOL series would be the blue Intuition canister. It's very quiet, has dirt sensor, variable speed control, on/off for entire machine and power nozzle on hose handle. In general the suction unit is very nice with large bag capacity. This vacuums problem is the power nozzle. It's a hybrid head with removable bare floor brush that completes the power nozzles. This makes for a bulkier, harder to maneuver power head that in my experience is much more cumbersome to maneuver than a normal canister power head. Due to its bulky connection to power head, once wand lowers to about 9" off the floor, the front of the power nozzle starts lifting off the rug. For a canister power nozzle this is bad as it really defeats purpose of a canister vacuum. The bare floor brush is very skimpy on bristles and connection to power nozzle is very delicate and numerous consumers including my client who has purchased 3 of these units for her 11,000 sq. foot home and separate meeting space over the years has had 2 units break and power head will not reattach to wands. New parts to fix connection cost about $100 through Sears. Kirbylux77 can tell you more about this than I can, but in recent years, sadly Panasonic has been continuously switching motors in their units and using very cheap ones. Panasonic makes all of the Kenmore canisters so both companies products have suction units that are experiencing motor death at about 4- 6 years old. It is my opinion that the Royal is a much better quality machine and will clean better than these Kenmores. The power nozzle on the Hoover has longer bristles over the CenTec CT20DXQD series heads found on the Kenmores and grooms carpets better while grabbing pet hair and other dirt faster. The Royal power nozzle also utilizes Hoovers patented Windtunnel design. The hose handle on the Royal is extremely comfortable with long very flexible, durable material and power nozzle is very powerful. For those have not yet taken a closer look at this in a vacuum shop, I would advise doing so. First look at a Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary, then look at this. I think you'll find its not nearly as bad as you think. Is it perfect--- NO!! Is it anywhere near the quality of the previous Royal Power Tank that we all miss--- NO! But it's a closer image to that of Miele, Sebo, Riccar, Lindhaus, Kenmore and all of those other machines that are also nearly all PLASTIC!! The suction unit on the Royal has a solid construction feel. If you look at a Hoover Windtunnel bagged canister from around 2007 like the S3639 and those PowerMax series ones, you would be more impressed with the newer body style. It is a sealed system with HEPA filtration which its predecessor was nowhere near sealed and filtration was terrible!! As much as I love its predecessor the filtration was terrible and body construction was flimsy. Not so with the new series!! 
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| Post# 213584 , Reply# 264 1/10/2013 at 23:21 (4,123 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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CTSooner
I am very happy that you found a vacuum that suits your needs and is doing a decent job you. I think ease of use, good filtration and powerful were your primary requirements due to your condition.
I appreciate the sealed system with excellent filtration, I appreciate the quiet motor with variable speed at finger tips, I like the telescopic wand as it seems sturdy, I have read about their tapered diameter hose for increased airflow. The crevice tool is decent length, the upholstery nozzle is a good width with strong bristles which work well on pet hair. The 40' cord is awesome. I also appreciate the large bag and suction coming from top which sustains strong suction as bag fills. I do not own a Sebo D4, my experience with it comes from my newest house cleaning client which is a house with spare rooms for Bed & Breakfast set up. The black Sebo Airbelt D4 was purchased in the beginning of November. The home owner has told me that the house is 11,000 Sq. Ft. I clean at her property about 3 days a week anywhere from 3-8 hours depending on events, my schedule,dirt level, and arranging for different sections to be done. Client is very particular about cleanliness and dust elimination while having lots of foot traffic coming in and out along with pets. The house is primarily ceramic tile with some hard wood flooring, an 18 step, double wide staircase, and several area rugs of varying sizes. Rugs vary of everything from rubber bottomed low pile indoor/outdoor rugs to approx. 20' x 15' low density weave 2.5" long yarn style rug. I've tried a combination of all height adjustments, varying suction for all rugs. I can not get D4 to clean any of the carpets to my satisfaction. Any of the rugs exceeding 1" in pile height to the 20'x 15' long weave yarn rug, the vacuum can't handle at all. The belt protection board shuts off the power nozzle on all of them. I completely understand that for the long weave rug but the regular length dense rugs even my old school upright Hoover Decade 80 can handle fine!! The lower pile rug and regular cut style rugs, the power head just not clean well. I have to push it at an absolute snails pace trying to get it to suck up pet hair, lint and other, visible dirt. The agitator is clean. I've taken it off a few times and cleaned it blue bristles. There's never anything on it, but I take it off anyway just to make sure. I also open up the orange clog release door on bottom of PN and ensure that is clear. I hold back the resistance of the powerheads "self propel" feel so that it can take its time to clean the rug but it doesn't seem to work. Eventually after several slow passes the low pile carpets look clean. Sometimes I still touch up rugs with Powermate Jr. attachment on customers Kenmore Intuition canister. Main power nozzle is broken for the Kenmore canister so I can't use it. I've taken my Hoover PowerMax canister, Hoover Decade 80 upright-- in picture below, Riccar 1700 canister and Kenmore Lime Green canister vac to this clients house. The Riccar, Kenmore and clients Dyson upright are the only vacuums that can clean the extremely long threaded yarn style rug with approx. 2.5" long threads. However all 4 of my vacs can clean all of the other rugs in the house and do so with ease. The Riccar does much better with tile floors and all carpets in comparison with Sebo. The Sebo has terrific suction but not like the Riccar. There is a tremendous difference. I'm not a typical "Once over Lightly" styled house cleaner. I'm in the business to clean houses thoroughly and efficiently. I vacuum every area of carpet several strokes. I allow time for chemicals to remove stubborn stains and disinfect on all all bathroom fixtures and tile flooring before final wipe down. The products I use have to clean well and I'm very fussy about cleaning chemicals, mops and vacuums. I am ecstatic that the machine is working well for you where it didn't for me. I only hope that the trend continues and you're not disappointed in a few months!! 
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| Post# 213608 , Reply# 267 1/11/2013 at 09:11 (4,123 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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CTSooner ...
"I'm very excited without any buyers remorse. I didn't have the extra 300 to buy up to a Miele, but to me that wasn't really buying up anyways."
I agree. I have the extra $300, but I'm considering all the vacs on a level playing field. I'll check out the Royal ... the Sebo (I'll have to just tape a damn flashlight to the power nozzle -- ugh) ... and maybe even the Lindhaus. I'm sure they all *suck* the dirt pretty much equally. What will win out for me, as in many things, is fit and feel ... accessories (I MUST have a mini-power head to clean the cat hair off my upholstery -- suction alone doesn't cut it) ... noise level ... and ease of use. | ||
| Post# 213609 , Reply# 268 1/11/2013 at 09:12 (4,123 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213619 , Reply# 269 1/11/2013 at 10:03 (4,123 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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NYC I didn't find many that have the smaller power nozzle, just the turbo ones. Maybe Miele does offer that. That's a good question, which ones offer that? I never even gave that a second thought. See different choices for all. I love it. | ||
| Post# 213629 , Reply# 271 1/11/2013 at 11:44 (4,122 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213631 , Reply# 273 1/11/2013 at 11:51 (4,122 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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NYC writer, Yes, they offer a mini AIR driven turbo nozzle, but not powered... show me where then? | ||
| Post# 213637 , Reply# 274 1/11/2013 at 13:05 (4,122 days old) by FantomLightning (Ohio) | ||
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KirbyLoverDan... Yes, Miele has made machines in China. They however don't anymore, and haven't for years. Even the S2 series that is cheaper than the S20 is made in Germany. | ||
| Post# 213639 , Reply# 275 1/11/2013 at 13:26 (4,122 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 213645 , Reply# 277 1/11/2013 at 14:26 (4,122 days old) by dysondestijl (east midlands, UK) | ||
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So- have you decided what vacuum to get yet? Also what you gonna do with the fantom? | ||
| Post# 213652 , Reply# 278 1/11/2013 at 15:43 (4,122 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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Durango I truly hope that you take my post the proper way. It doesn't read in the manor that I meant it to. Thanks. | ||
| Post# 213654 , Reply# 279 1/11/2013 at 15:54 (4,122 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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Once again the lux platinum is no where near the 2000 dollar price point | ||
| Post# 213657 , Reply# 281 1/11/2013 at 16:33 (4,122 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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| Post# 213676 , Reply# 282 1/11/2013 at 18:58 (4,122 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Post# 213695 , Reply# 283 1/12/2013 at 00:10 (4,122 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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CTSooner. I have a tendency of putting into writing or wordage exactly what's going through my mind. I like being to the point and not bullshitting. My last line stating that was ecstatic that you are happy and pleased with your expensive purchase and not regretting it months down the road were sincere and honest!! My satisfaction comes from knowing that you are the consumer. You sought out to research and find a vacuum that you feel is the best value for the price range that you can afford.
Viewing all of the motors, testing machines with full bags is something I never would have thought about for a vacuum purchase. My experience of buying a new vacuum is going to a Sears or vacuum dealer with large selection trying the machine briefly on their rugs and getting an idea from there whether or not it suits my needs. You went above and beyond and really did a lot of work. I admire that willpower to to research, learn, try and abuse before purchasing and wish more consumers did the same. If they did we'd see a lot more vacuums on the market that were still 7 Amps instead the belief that because a vacuum doesn't have a 12Amp motor it won't clean well. I'm also glad you don't have the 2.5" long yarn carpets like my client has. Although its comfortable to walk on, it is absolutely brutal to clean. I don't personally feel that the rug can ever be called really clean either. The threading on that rug is just too long and dirt just hides in it. Definitely an unusual experience for me the first time I ever vacuumed that carpet. The agitator is full of threads too by the time I finish doing it. I personally despise Swiss Cheese. People think I'm nuts, and don't understand it. But the symptoms that I get from even a good smell of it drives me nuts. I tend to tell restaurant servers that I'm allergic to it if I'm substituting out the swiss for a different cheese on a dish. This way I inform them that if a cook accidentally melts swiss on entree, they have to start over and make a complete new dish again rather than just scrape off the swiss cheese and put on the one I requested. Because I will be able to sense the swiss still. I have worked in restaurants for over 10 years, I have a Bachelors in Hotel, Restaurant Management and consider myself a foodie. I am always advising friends, family and employees to "Avoid Swiss Cheese like the Plague and that its awful and will ruin their day." My point to the little anecdote above is that in the end the definition of a market remains the same. Buyers and sellers will come together for the purchase of acquiring goods based on demand. The buyer is the one making the purchase with their hard earned money. The majority of the population has a passion for swiss cheese and loves it and if that makes them happy then that is all that matters. You need to buy the product that fits your wants, desires and needs. Once you've made that purchase for yourself it is my hope as a business manager that you are pleased with your purchase and it accomplishes everything that you wanted it to! As my grandmom would put it: "That's why there's Vanilla, Chocolate, and Strawberry Ice Cream." NYCWriter, currently I reside in central Pennsylvania just outside of State College area. Although I am most likely moving within the next year to land myself a better job, I doubt it will be Manhattan. I've been to New York City a few times in my life. The Subway has rats, the streets are swarmed with cars. I could never imagine driving those streets. I'm not a big city person. I'm not a rural person, as I love being just minutes away from pizza, Home Depot, Best Buy, food store and other resources but I also like peaceful, nature and I love mowing lawn. I don't know what I would do if I lived in an apartment again and couldn't didn't get to use all of my landscaping equipment. Thank you for the offer, I'm sure you'll find a reasonable person somewhere. New York is full of celebrities along with other wealthy people that I'm sure have a reliable person to care for their home. Ask for referrals at work, from friends and look into Craigslist ads. Best of luck and keep us posted. Also when you go to a vacuum dealer to look at Riccar, Sebo, Miele and Royal, inquire to the dealer about machines that can fit another manufacturers electric driven mini power head. Models to consider could be Aerus Sidekick, Panasonic/ Kenmore PowerMate Jr., Wessel Werk MEB160 and others. You may be able to work out a package deal with them to get a canister vac along with separate mini electric power head and possibly an adapter and/or mini pigtail cord to to make unit work with your canister. See what they recommend. If not, it's my experience that not all mini air turbine hand tools are created equally. The Eureka PowerPaw, Dirt Devil and Bissell air turbine tools don't work well for me. The Wessel Werk PT160 works well and is very powerful but the the opening set deep in from the front so cleaning steps you really need to run the unit parallel to the riser rather than up and back to the riser. The Hoover Windtunnel designed air turbine tool is a very good one and I've had great luck with that one. | ||
| Post# 213724 , Reply# 286 1/12/2013 at 08:25 (4,122 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Well ...
I tried out an Electrolux. The brand-new model they just got in literally three days ago -- apparently it's a "Guardian" metal body.
OMG. I think I may be sold. The hose ALONE could sell me -- I didn't realize they even made such high-quality hoses anymore. Oh yes, and it has a HEADLIGHT. ;) I walked down to 14th Street, but the store that sells the Royal was closed. Don't worry, I'll still give the Royal and the Sebo a fair shake. But I think I've found a winner here. And as far as my Fantom -- well I want it to go to a good home. Where better than here to ask if anyone's interested? | ||
| Post# 213725 , Reply# 287 1/12/2013 at 08:56 (4,122 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 213741 , Reply# 288 1/12/2013 at 10:48 (4,122 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Matt - with this new Aerus Guardian Platinum, you should be wary of the following potential problems:
You said you don't have a lot of storage space. Check to see how much space this takes up in the closet. I don't know if the power nozzle can hang from the main canister nose down, and so it might have to sit flat on the floor. Also, the wands aren't telescopic, so you will have this bulky handle with the on board dusty attachments stored high up jabbing into your hanging coats and jackets. Also, it seems that attaching the dusting brush is a two step process - you have to attach an adapter first, then put on the brush. Not sure where the adapter stores. The hose handle seems rather cumbersome for dusting bookshelves and getting into tight spaces, compared to the simple hose handle on a Miele upright. Vacuumlanders know that I am one of those that appreciates Consumer Reports test results. They usually have a full updated set of ratings in the spring in time for spring cleaning. Therefore, you might want to wait a few weeks to see the results of tests on some of these new vacs (Miele S8 canisters, Aerus Guardian, the Moxie, etc). I am a little suspicious of the performance of that Aerus power nozzle on carpets: it's never excelled at carpet cleaning like some of the competing Miele and Panasonic/Kenmore nozzles. Just some things to think about.... :-) | ||
| Post# 213743 , Reply# 289 1/12/2013 at 11:02 (4,122 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Consumer Reports is not
the Bible to Vacuum testing .
They do it in controlled enviroments using talcum powder and sand and many vacuum manufactures and Vacuum shops do not agree with their findings . Many vacuum collectors do not agree with them either . They need to go into homes and test real world dirt . It`s a refrence but not to be taken seriously as they dont test in real world situations . It all comes down to personal preference I own this machine and love it . All it took was one demo and I was sold. This is unlike any Aerus ever produced . Plus my over 40 years experience and owning over 400 vacuums I think I know a tad more about vacuums than Consumer Reports . The Aerus Guardian Platinum is a much more powerful vacuum than pervious Aerus Vacuums . | ||
| Post# 213745 , Reply# 290 1/12/2013 at 11:27 (4,122 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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NYCwriter ...see I told you to check out the Platinum, its a nice machine and has all the options your looking for. (Headlight) | ||
| Post# 213747 , Reply# 291 1/12/2013 at 11:47 (4,121 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Dan,
I trust Consumer Reports because as a scientist, I like to see the results of scientific tests done in controlled environments. I have been interested in vacuum cleaners for over 40 years, and in most of my encounters with the owners of specialty vac stores and their salesmen, I have been given a lot of misinformation in order for them to make a good sale. Consumer Reports has saved me lots of time and money over the years by giving me comparitive facts about observable and measurable characteristics of a product. When used intelligently, these test results are a big help in choosing a product. They are on the consumers' side when it comes to making a purchase. If in two identical tests the power nozzle of one vac removes vastly more test material than a second vac, I trust that scientific data more than the sales shpeel of a vac salesman. And it's not as if I blindly follow what is on the top of the ratings list. The CR website allows you to filter the ratings to match the data that is more important to you. For instance, if I already have an upright for carpet cleaning, and am only interested in a canister for cleaning everything else, I can create a ranking of vacs on the market that have strong airflow thru the hose for tool use, and ignore how they fared in the carpet cleaning category. Then I can even sort the results by price to see how low a price I can get for a vac that does those things well. To me this information is much more reliable than the information given to me by a vac salesman who is not honest - and I have experienced far too much of that in many vac shops. Because of the valuable work of Consumer Reports, I am now the proud owner of a Hoover Tempo Upright and an Electrolux UltraSilencer Green. This two vacs are the easiest vacs I have ever used, and they are excellent dirt removers. The combined cost to me was 500 Canadian dollars, which helped save me lots of money. I also saved hours running around to different vac stores in order to listen to sales people who were more concerned about their profit margins than selling a vac that is good value for the money. Don't get me wrong: I know that there are many honest hardworking people out there in the vacuum stores, and it seems many of the nicest ones are to be found right here at Vacuumland. It's just that I have encountered too many sales people who have treated me condescendingly as if I know nothing about vacs. How would you like to be charged for a belt replacement on an upright when you had just put in a fresh belt before handing the vac over for some other repair? This happened to me when we dropped off our Hoover SP WT upright when Hoover recalled them for a free switch replacement.... I accept the fact that many dealers dislike Consumer Reports, but as a vacuum fanatic, I am allowed to like the organization and the tests they do. Just like we should avoid brand-bashing on this website, we should also avoid CR bashing, in my opinion. | ||
| Post# 213749 , Reply# 292 1/12/2013 at 11:53 (4,121 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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No bashing
here you love them I dont that my right as here in the US we have freedom of speech .
I own over 400 vacuums and owned a store and managed another one. 40 + years experience and repaired , owned and researched thousands of vacuums in those years . Compared to a collection of two vacuums ? I guess a scientist with a copy of consumer reports trumps that though ? This post was last edited 01/12/2013 at 13:51 | ||
| Post# 213785 , Reply# 294 1/12/2013 at 15:09 (4,121 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Thank you Brian
is the Green brush roll available for purchase ? If so where can I get one from all of my sources just stock the regular brush roll ?
You are correct ASTM is the ONLY true test for vacuum cleaners . Plus our knowledge and many years experience tops it all off . If you are truely passionate about a product you will learn and know more than any magazine could ever teach you . | ||
| Post# 213789 , Reply# 296 1/12/2013 at 15:38 (4,121 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Another plus going for the Electrolux ...
... the store manager told me that for the *life* of my sweeper, for any and all repairs and service, they do free pick-up and delivery. That may not sound like a big deal out in the rest of America where people have cars, but here in New York City, that's worth its weight in gold (practically); if your sweeper breaks, you usually have to pay a hefty fee for pick-up and delivery ... try to drag the darn thing on the subway (of course making a special trip, because it's not something you want to drag with you to work in the morning) ... or pay for a cab.
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| Post# 213799 , Reply# 298 1/12/2013 at 18:13 (4,121 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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The Miele hoses ... | ||
| Post# 213804 , Reply# 300 1/12/2013 at 19:49 (4,121 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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I should have said above any other company besides aerus Electrolux who picks up and delivers | ||
| Post# 213877 , Reply# 301 1/13/2013 at 10:51 (4,121 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Aerus has a | ||
| Post# 213884 , Reply# 302 1/13/2013 at 11:55 (4,120 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Re: Mielel hoses
My longest standing Miele cylinder (S571) lasted about 8 years. The hose had been trampled on many times as well as general abuse. But true to the quality, it never broke once. Infact it lasted longer than the machine itself. I have never heard of a Miele hose drying out, let alone any other plastic hose on a canister or upright vac.
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| Post# 213888 , Reply# 303 1/13/2013 at 12:10 (4,120 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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It seems that
many Miele vacuums last about 10 years or less when I owned my store customers would bring in dead less than 10 yo Mieles to trade for new vacuums .
Compared to Aerus formerly Electrolux I still have and use my Aunt B`s 1947 model XXX I dont hear too many stories of that old Mieles still being used. Don`t get me wrong I like Miele I love German products I drive German cars . You rarely if ever see vintage Mieles for sale say on eBay but you`ll fing many vintage Electrolux vacuums there . Besides Kirby , Filterqueen and Ranibow these DTD brands seem to hold up better than any TOL vacuum out there . | ||
| Post# 213895 , Reply# 305 1/13/2013 at 12:32 (4,120 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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How old are you ? | ||
| Post# 213896 , Reply# 306 1/13/2013 at 12:43 (4,120 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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30 years old... maybe people still have them, or traded it in for a new model...I don't know, guessing.... I do see many more old Electrolux on ebay if you do a search. But then again, I do not see older model Riccar or Simplicity either.... | ||
| Post# 213905 , Reply# 307 1/13/2013 at 13:44 (4,120 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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I still have my 1976 Electrolux super j works perfectly. I also have me grandmothers xxx which still works from 1937. | ||
| Post# 213928 , Reply# 308 1/13/2013 at 16:53 (4,120 days old) by pr-21 (Middletown, OH) | ||
Lux Platinum Canister would be my vote......
My first imput on this thread, but Kirbyloverdan has a thread going about the above cleaner. You can actually watch the video. I kind of collect like Dan does. I have Mieles, Electrolux, Aerus, New Black Rainbow, Kirby's including the Sentria II. In your first post, you said money was no object, but were concerned about storing a canister. I don't have this vacuum, but it will be the next one I get. I did have the Aerus TOL Canister before this one and was disappointed and wrote Aerus about my concerns. My biggest problem with it was the loudness and too much suction. It would stall out the mini power nozzle even using the suction control on the handle. This new one has at least 8 suction levels and an auto control, which some Mieles have. It will have a rather small foot print when stored upright and the easiest bag change ever invented. Can't put the bag in wrong....It also has two hepa filters. One that will need replaced and a long life one.
I am so excited about this vacuum. I am glad Aerus is bringing back the quality we all expect from an Aerus/Electrolux vacuum. If you can't get to them, I am sure they would come to you. Sincerely, Bud Mattingly PR-21 | ||
| Post# 214012 , Reply# 310 1/14/2013 at 09:30 (4,120 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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On vacuum popularity ...
I think perhaps one main reason Miele is so popular among the top-tier vacuums is simply because they're sold EVERYWHERE (like Hoovers), as opposed to the direct sales or exclusive distributorships for Kirby, Electrolux, etc., which forces potential customers to go out of their way to buy them.
Can anyone explain why, out of all the household appliances, VACUUMS have historically had such a convoluted sales route from manufacturer to consumer? | ||
| Post# 214031 , Reply# 312 1/14/2013 at 10:26 (4,120 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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| Post# 214034 , Reply# 314 1/14/2013 at 10:36 (4,120 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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direct sales vacuum companys are still in business and are doing very well so im guessing they must be doing something right ?
Lets see if Miele and Sebo are still around as long as they have been especially when many mom and pop vacuum shops are trying to stay afloat and keep their doors open . The sales tactics in many vacuums shops can be pretty nasty also . I have many friends who own stores and they say they are NOT in business to repair your vacuum but rather when a customer comes in with a repair you MUST sell them a new vacuum PERIOD . So I guess its everywhere not just the D2D people . | ||
| Post# 214035 , Reply# 315 1/14/2013 at 10:38 (4,120 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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NYC writer, I had to haggle to get my Aerus at a price I was willing to pay. They started at $1,300, I walked away with Upright & Tools for $700 with a trade. Good machine, very durable, however, the sales experience was undesirable. | ||
| Post# 214036 , Reply# 316 1/14/2013 at 10:38 (4,120 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 214069 , Reply# 318 1/14/2013 at 12:24 (4,119 days old) by gm1982 () | ||
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Unfortunately that's what gives Aerus a crappy image, the arrogant store owners who want top dollar for a basic machine. | ||
| Post# 214070 , Reply# 319 1/14/2013 at 12:32 (4,119 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Every
company store has someone who is nasty . All the Aerus stores I have visited have been very pleasant .
Many times going into a vacuum store sales people / owners can be mean also . No matter what kind of business you have good and bad people it`s just the way humans are . Aerus has one of the best customer service compared to many D2D companies for selling top quality lifetime lasting vacuums. | ||
| Post# 214071 , Reply# 320 1/14/2013 at 12:54 (4,119 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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Oh, as I said there are other Aerus stores. I was just put off, plus i realized I didn't need to spend over 1k and decided not to go that route. I would have bought from an Aerus dealer on this board or through Brian if I went that route most probably. | ||
| Post# 214075 , Reply# 322 1/14/2013 at 13:03 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Actually, CTSooner, that's a good question ... | ||
| Post# 214094 , Reply# 323 1/14/2013 at 15:07 (4,119 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Matt
as long as they register the warranty in your name it doesnt matter where you get it from . If you want I can call my guy and see what price he can sell you the Aerus Platinum for and he could ship it to you . He is a very nice guy I guess the NY stores have not too nice people . I have encountered that while shopping in NY for various items the store clerks just don`t seem to happy I felt like I was bothering them most times .
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| Post# 214109 , Reply# 325 1/14/2013 at 16:58 (4,119 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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I may be curious too on that Lux I'm sure I could easily sell mine for the 699 I got it for as I haven't even done the warranty card yet. You guys got me hooked. Thanks a lot. Brian, this is on you, lmao. | ||
| Post# 214127 , Reply# 326 1/14/2013 at 19:59 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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OK ...
... tried out the Royal S20 Canister, as well as the Sebo D4. Not impressed with either, after trying out the Electrolux.
The Sebo in particular was disappointing. Is there ANYTHING on that machine that's not plastic? Call me old-fashioned, but for a unit approaching $1K, I want some METAL on the damn thing. I want it to feel SOLID. It just doesn't *feel* like an expensive piece of machinery ... not even as solid as my mom's old Hoover Convertible 1060. Frankly it feels like a toy. And the hoses on both are an absolute joke compared to the Lux. It's like they went out of their way to find the cheapest hoses possible. And no, they don't hold up; I noticed some cracking and splitting on the floor models -- and how old could they possibly be? Speaking of metal, though, I tried out one of the Royal Everlasts. My my my!!! Damn I wish I was walking out of the store with one of those. Surprisingly light, but *solid*. Unfortunately I just don't have the expanses of carpeting to justify such a "raw" machine. Maybe in a house like Downton Abbey ... | ||
| Post# 214131 , Reply# 328 1/14/2013 at 20:19 (4,119 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Matt
you are so right . I am so glad Aerus brought back a METAL machine .
I love all vacuums and Sebo has never impressed me . That canister is really huge I am not sure why they made it that LARGE ? I just can`t find anything I like about that brand of vacuum IMO . Aerus has it going on with the new Guardian Platinum it is surely going to be a home run . I never checked out the Royal but I own its Brother the Hoover windtunnel and that machine is just OK . I used it once and it now sits in the back of my closet . | ||
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Kirby, Rainbow, Filter Queen, Aerus Electrolux, Tristar, Thermax are the very best IMHO! :) | ||
| Post# 214179 , Reply# 333 1/15/2013 at 08:05 (4,119 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I have read this thread
and can`t find anyone saying they hate or are bashing Sebo ?
Just because someone says they do not like a certain vacuum it is not bashing or hating . Seems like some people just like to try and start trouble on this site and it`s rater childish . If someone says they don`t like a certain brand of vacuum thats their right as an American we do have freedom of speech in this country and as long as nothing nasty is said why are you trying to put words into other peoples mouths ? | ||
| Post# 214183 , Reply# 335 1/15/2013 at 08:18 (4,119 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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And FYI
thats his personal opinion .
Secondly Electrolux did have problems with the swivel neck in the begining it has been worked out . The new Platinum has been in production and sold throughout Europe for a few years now all the bugs have been worked out .Plus the 15 year warranty which is more than most brands out there should be enough . I was a Miele dealer and had many Miele`s come back for repair so I guess it just depends on what someone wants to tell you . Unless of course that vacuum shop owner is say the God of vacuum cleaners ? | ||
| Post# 214186 , Reply# 336 1/15/2013 at 08:53 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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About sales figures ...
"Miele and Sebo sell extremely well out there, almost five times as many Miele's are sold to Aerus, I am guessing."
As I pointed out above, you're comparing apples to oranges. If Aerus was on an equal sales ground with Miele and Sebo, who knows how their sales figures would stack up. Unfortunately, because for many people it's relatively difficult to even FIND an Aerus, how many of those people simply took the easy route and bought the best vacuum they could find *at their local retailer*? I was almost one of them. | ||
| Post# 214187 , Reply# 337 1/15/2013 at 09:05 (4,119 days old) by hype822 () | ||
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i presume that some people are referring to me about what i said. i apologized for it, and am over it. if my apology is not enough, than what is good enough? shall i have my previous statement(s) removed? | ||
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Post# 214189 , Reply# 338 1/15/2013 at 09:13 (4,119 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Numerous Repairs!!
I'm one of those consumers that in many cases prior to buying I search for consumer reviews. Some sites that I visit are Amazon, Epinions, Sears, Target, Wal-Mart and manufacturer. Some of the reviews sound completely legitimate and others are so baffling it's disgusting. The customers claim a unit is shutting off every room and not sure why. Well it's shutting off because the Thermal Protection device is working properly because you're vacuum has overheated from an actual clog obstruction in hose, clogged filter or both. But no the people just empty the dirt cup and can't understand the problem!!! Read the manual.
My neighbor is an awesome family. Such very nice people, chatty, hospitable, we talk all the time, and we've had made numerous dinner exchanges, I could or they cook and we all get together, etc. Well I shampooed their family room carpet one time and used their Simplicity Symmetry upright. Suction was great when I turned it on and it picked well but I sensed it wasn't up to the par it should be and my vacuum curiosity so I checked machine over a little. The bag was completely over stuffed and just about into the fill tube. I even tried reinstalling the bag door with it still on their and couldn't do it all with numerous tries. The bag was QUITE HEAVY too. They were not home at the time, but I'm reasonably familiar with their house and they have absolute trust, I didn't see any replacement bags anywhere. I drove to the local vacuum store and picked up new bags for them. Cleaned the filter and got my job done. I informed them of the full bag and they were astonished, had no clue, hadn't thought about it at all. I guess my point is that there are varied levels of knowledged and yet also "lackadaisically challenged" consumers on the market. Some buy the most expensive lawn mower and can't understand why it won't work the next season. Well they didn't winterize it properly and the Ethanol ruined system, or they didn't change oil. It's the same of vacuums some unknowledged consumers are actually purchasing more expensive products but abusing them the same way they would a $60 Wolly World Eureka. I saw a very young lackadaisical almost careless to the world couple come into local vacuum dealer while I was in there buying some parts. They had a Kirby Sentria with them!! Not sure how they acquired it, perhaps bought on their own, a Craigslist find, whatever but they had a Kirby Sentria. I was stunned. It needed a belt change because of they sucked up things they shouldn't have. My point is that with hundreds of millions of homes, and businesses having at least one if not more on premises, then more vacuums sold means more to break down. I always notice people on this forum saying that Hoovers are always in the repair shop. Well what if the most popular vacuum manufacturer in an area and for generations was Hoover, eventually those Hoovers would need something. Some people bring in repair machines for belt changes and clogs. Perhaps I'm over evaluating but I don't believe its a bad thing to see a certain company coming in for repair. Who knows how many of a certain one are in a certain area. I think it comes down to what repair is needed such as the circuit board for a Hoover Windtunnel Anniversary canister or melted electrical on Kenmore/ Panasonic hose and wands. This is just my opinion and another a different direction of looking at repairs. | ||
| Post# 214190 , Reply# 339 1/15/2013 at 09:23 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Very astute, Durango ...
I think many people also try to make the point that since there are SO many old Hoovers and Kirbys on eBay, they must not be good machines because so many people are getting rid of them.
On the contrary. What's the percentage of, say, pre-1983 vacuums on the second-hand market, versus POST-1983? I'd say it's significantly higher, because most of the post-1983 stuff is plastic crap that people THREW AWAY years ago. I think the very fact that machines from the '70s, '60s, '50s, and even dating back to the '20s are even still around are testimony to their superiority. Most of the time, these old machines are for sale on eBay because they're part of an estate that's being liquidated -- not necessarily because they're being replaced. | ||
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Post# 214197 , Reply# 340 1/15/2013 at 09:52 (4,119 days old) by Durango159 (State College, PA) |
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Another way of evaluating products is by how long a consumer holds onto something. A $60 Eureka may be quite disposable to someone they wouldn't care about replacing it with an upgrade in a few years.
On the contrary if you purchased a Miele White Pearl from around 1996, you bought a quality vacuum with lots of features and good performance. What would you upgrade to-- something newer that's not as durable?? OR Are you going to run that Miele White Pearl until the day it dies, whether that's 10 or 25 years. Another way of looking at why Mieles aren't as much on the resale market. A Hoover Convertible upright or Electrolux Jubilee on the other hand might be machines to trade after some years to get something more user friendly. By trading your Hoover Convertible you can find a machine with better filtration, easier attachment use, better suction for attachments, etc. By trading Hoover Elite you can upgrade to better filtration, clean air design that can handle abuse of a penny being sucked in, agitator on/off control, better attachment suction and quieter. By trading in Lux J you may get better filtration, better sealed hose, a Sidekick powered hand tool, longer hose, headlight equipped power head, agitator on/off switch and other features. I've heard several local vacuum shops tell me in my search for refurbed canister vacuums that consumers have a higher tendency to hold onto canister vacuums until they die. They're not traded as much. Even if a canister owner decides to buy an upright they still hold onto the canister as a great back up vacuum and love them for versatility of easy stairwell cleaning, car interior cleaning, vacuuming under furniture, etc. | ||
| Post# 214201 , Reply# 341 1/15/2013 at 10:24 (4,119 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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cooler head prevail, lol I do love the Sebo as it's the best I've ever owned. I always get some buyers remorse and then reading some of the things over here it makes you question things. Yes the Sebo has a full metal wand. | ||
| Post# 214203 , Reply# 342 1/15/2013 at 10:33 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Buyer's remorse ...
Don't give in to it!
Look, all of these "upper tier" vacuums are *very* good at their primary function: removing dirt. Some are better than others ... and on the high end, you're really splitting hairs, with the main differences being fit, finish, and features. Enjoy your vacuum. Love it. Treat it well and it will treat YOU well. | ||
| Post# 214206 , Reply# 343 1/15/2013 at 10:46 (4,119 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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My house cleaner is back After 2,5 years we can now afford to have the housecleaner back. She's awesome. From Brazil. Not sure what she uses, but she just checked out the Sebo and it using it today. I'll let you all know what she thinks. | ||
| Post# 214209 , Reply# 344 1/15/2013 at 11:12 (4,119 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Bully for you guys ...
... who have housekeepers.
I tried and it's just not a good fit for me. My standards are just way too high, and I found that working my schedule around hers was more of a pain in the butt than just doing it myself. Truth to tell, I've found that when you work a mentally taxing and stressful job, housecleaning can be wonderfully therapeutic. And humbling. The world would be a much better place if people in positions of power, 15 minutes a week, got down on their hands and knees and scrubbed their own toilets, tubs, and bathroom floors. | ||
| Post# 214225 , Reply# 346 1/15/2013 at 12:46 (4,118 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
Zen & the art of vacuum acquistion...
A circumstance of choices & trade offs that leads to, 'pick your poison' senarios...
Perfectionists with carpeting or rugs, beware, here lie dragons... Big box plasti-vac buyers have the best machine...for them. Cheap, & or flashy, & rated in a consumer magzine for easy & comfortable decision making. When the jigs up just pony up another c note (give or take). The failure rate is like hard drives, a certain percent are duds & the negative review gets posted double time. Far more do all the customer wanted in the first place & everbody is happy until planned obselences will have them buying again just about the time they see another that catches their eye & on sale too...just the part & parcel trade off in this path of least resistance choice. At the other end of the senario spectrum has been playing out in this thread. A Robert Persig* like search for quality & 'Quality'. Some find it in 'the best, TOL money can buy'. Again the right choice, for them...Trade offs here include time spent, money spent, dependence on shop for repairs (plati-vacs can be trashed & replaced for less than many high end vac repairs) etc... All this is par for the course when one considers the engineers who designed the vacuum in the first place were also caught up in a labyrinth of trade offs in their design choices, so too were the directors of the companies that employ(ed) them, but their concerns were instead business related. (sigh) Maybe why we all caught this bug, it's a beckoning puzzle waiting to be solved, again & again, and so on... I own an armada of metal & or vintage machines waiting to be repaired & put to work or already in operation. But i just bought a nearly new, TOL Kenmore upright, in a Beautiful blue green hue, with a svelt aluminum wand that i love. Full circle from the Comercial Royal that was my first vac buy after i caught the bug. But the Kenmore machine is hard to push across the carpet (like many reviewers mentioned). I took a flier on it as an Ebay demo unit, a trade off in buying without trying, but for only $86 delivered. I also just spent about that amount in a box full of consumables for my fleet of trash picks & Craigslist finds...but using those resurrected vacs is most satisfying. Not as fun for me as the hunt to acquire them, but the most fun i'm going to have running a vacuum. * Author, Zen & the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance, see link. CLICK HERE TO GO TO stricklybojack's LINK 
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Post# 214254 , Reply# 347 1/15/2013 at 14:30 (4,118 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Kirby, Rainbow, Thermax machines are better values because they convert into carpet/rug shampooers. | ||
| Post# 214272 , Reply# 348 1/15/2013 at 16:38 (4,118 days old) by stricklybojack (Southern California) | ||
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well U G...
You know what you like. I have a old Filter queen with a power head that seems worhless for the rugs i have. So i'm interest in Rainbow but i have the same issue with the older models that fit my price range...shite power team. For me i don't shampoo the rug so the ability to do so is not a selling point. Like kirby & that whole mess of attachments i never want to use...once it clicked in my bain i didn't have to i warmed up to the brand & now own 3. The brands you mentioned generally don't work in a situation that calls for a light weight machine...not your concern i guess.
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| Post# 214373 , Reply# 350 1/16/2013 at 08:19 (4,118 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Thanks xraytech ... | ||
| Post# 214397 , Reply# 351 1/16/2013 at 11:32 (4,117 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Thank you strictlybojack ...
"The brands you mentioned generally don't work in a situation that calls for a light weight machine...not your concern i guess."
KirbyUltimateG really loves his Kirbys (and Rainbows, for that matter). So do I. But I don't have *acres* of wide-open carpeted areas like in Downton Abbey. Fully half of my flooring is hardwood, and much of the carpeting is under furniture and in tight alcoves that are difficult to maneuver a beastly Kirby into. Kirby = HOUSE. x = APARTMENT. Find x. The answer I've found, after much searching, is that "x" for me is a no-fuss canister (all due respect to the Rainbow). | ||
| Post# 214399 , Reply# 352 1/16/2013 at 12:41 (4,117 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Ive said it before and ill say it again
The reason the D series is HUGE is because it has a HUGE amount of cable that SEBO fitted to it (12M) and compared to the C series canister which is a lot smaller. The dust bag is also pretty big. No other reason - which is probably why Miele would find it difficult to contain twice as much cable in such a compact body as their latest S8 - if they actually installed their canister vacuums with the same amount of cord length.
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| Post# 214414 , Reply# 354 1/16/2013 at 13:47 (4,117 days old) by GM1982 () | ||
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CTsooner well said.....Nothing is perfect and no vacuum is the best. Something that is sealed and does not leak air, filters well, has useful features, is quiet and durable will come close to perfect, and your Sebo is an example. | ||
| Post# 214502 , Reply# 357 1/17/2013 at 07:39 (4,117 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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So what vacuum? NYC, where are you in your search? Will it be the Lux? | ||
| Post# 214505 , Reply# 358 1/17/2013 at 08:49 (4,117 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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ctsooner ... | ||
| Post# 214545 , Reply# 359 1/17/2013 at 18:25 (4,116 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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great choice make sure you give Brian a call. How many Lux dealers do we have here. I bet you can get it for between 1000 and 1200. If I could have gotten it for 1000k I probably would have gone for that. It seems like a great machine. | ||
| Post# 214548 , Reply# 360 1/17/2013 at 18:58 (4,116 days old) by geoffrack8 (Connecticut) | ||
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How funny Matt.... I was reading a few things on Miele and found this. It made me think of you and this thread. I have not had a recomendation because I believe "to each his own" but when I read this it made me laugh. Geoff CLICK HERE TO GO TO geoffrack8's LINK | ||
| Post# 214609 , Reply# 361 1/18/2013 at 07:38 (4,116 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Geoff ... | ||
| Post# 214661 , Reply# 362 1/18/2013 at 17:01 (4,115 days old) by ctsooner () | ||
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So did you get the Lux Platinum? After such a long thread, inquiring minds, lol. | ||
| Post# 214677 , Reply# 363 1/18/2013 at 19:28 (4,115 days old) by fooseofhoove (Minnesota) | ||
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| Post# 214766 , Reply# 364 1/19/2013 at 08:54 (4,115 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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ctsooner ... | ||
| Post# 214768 , Reply# 365 1/19/2013 at 09:17 (4,115 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Matt | ||
| Post# 214809 , Reply# 366 1/19/2013 at 13:29 (4,114 days old) by Smith (North Carolina) | ||
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NYCWriter I am an Aerus dealer as well. If there is anything I can help you with feel free to shoot me an email. aerusws@windstream.net Good choice, going with the Platinum. It really is an AWESOME machine! | ||
| Post# 214883 , Reply# 367 1/19/2013 at 22:20 (4,114 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Never mind a good price....just go with a Miele S8 canister with the flashlight on the handle! The telescopic tube takes up less room in the closet than the Aerus Platinum's two-part tubes.....and the attachments store under the cover of the canister. You can always attach an extension cord to the vac to make up for the shorter operating radius. And you'll get a much quieter power nozzle that deep cleans carpets better!
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| Post# 215079 , Reply# 368 1/21/2013 at 11:36 (4,112 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Sorry, Eurekaprince ... | ||
| Post# 215085 , Reply# 369 1/21/2013 at 11:43 (4,112 days old) by eurekaprince (Montreal, Canada) | ||
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Yay! You've finally decided! I'm actually excited for you Matt....
Just curious - is it completely made in the USA? If yes, that's a big plus going for it....giving much needed work to your citizens..... We want pics and YouTube clips! :-) We want pics and YouTube clips! :-) We want pics and YouTube clips! :-) We want pics and YouTube clips! :-) :-D EP Brian | ||
| Post# 215138 , Reply# 371 1/21/2013 at 15:25 (4,112 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Yes, eurekaprince ...
... I'm just now looking for the best price. Some new friends on this board have reached out to me, so I'm considering offers.
I've never posted a YouTube video. Don't really know how to do that. Here's the irony: I WORK IN TELEVISION. I've produced network broadcasts (not produced *for* network broadcasts, but actually produced them as an EP), but I honestly am so inside the industry that I can't fathom "producing" any video product without the help of an ENG crew including a shooter, audio tech, and videotape editor (not to mention the "dot-com" techie to actually upload it to YouTube). | ||
| Post# 215193 , Reply# 373 1/21/2013 at 19:43 (4,112 days old) by luxman107 (USA ) | ||
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7 P style bags come with the platinum. Even having a German shepherd that is enough to last me almost 6 months and I vacuum almost daily including all the furniture baseboards and everything else in the house. I don't believe in dust rags or swifters, so I vac everything | ||
| Post# 215317 , Reply# 376 1/22/2013 at 13:32 (4,111 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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ctsooner ... | ||
| Post# 215622 , Reply# 377 1/24/2013 at 13:24 (4,109 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. ) | ||
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@NYCWriter, have you got your Lux yet? Curious to see you take after using it in your own home and not in the showroom. | ||
| Post# 215693 , Reply# 378 1/24/2013 at 19:55 (4,109 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Haven't ... | ||
| Post# 215767 , Reply# 380 1/25/2013 at 09:42 (4,109 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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ctsooner ... | ||
| Post# 215968 , Reply# 385 1/26/2013 at 09:44 (4,108 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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Dan | ||
| Post# 216107 , Reply# 386 1/27/2013 at 04:02 (4,107 days old) by thermokid (Casper, Wyoming) | ||
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I ordered mine today. I can't hardly wait to get it. I told the other vacs, ok guys move over there is another vacuum coming to live with us... LOL Dan | ||
| Post# 216175 , Reply# 387 1/27/2013 at 12:50 (4,106 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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| Post# 216334 , Reply# 389 1/27/2013 at 20:32 (4,106 days old) by cue003 (S. FL, USA. ) | ||
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@ctsooner, was there a reason for bag replacement since you were only about half full? How long have you had your sebo? Seems like that bag filled up rather quickly. | ||
| Post# 217956 , Reply# 392 2/7/2013 at 01:05 (4,096 days old) by floor-a-matic (somewhere) | ||
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MiniStar model M101 mini PN for TriStar A101, EXL, MG1, MG2, MG3 & CS Series canister vacuums. Great for vacing dirt & pet hair from upholstery, stairs & automobile interiors. More effective than a turbo (air powered) brush. 
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| Post# 217993 , Reply# 394 2/7/2013 at 10:08 (4,096 days old) by kirbyloverdan (Egg Harbor Twp . NJ aka HOOVERLOVERDAN ❤️) | ||
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I own a Tri Star | ||
| Post# 218308 , Reply# 399 2/9/2013 at 10:58 (4,094 days old) by sebo_fan (Scotland, UK, member AKA ukvacfan, & Nar2) | ||
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Sorry but a long cord extension just isn't practical. Ive tried it. Not in a home with pets or children, or you could just tag the cord up along skirting boards for any vacuum cleaner in the future with a short cord to feed of, of. But I've never seen a home do that or let alone know of anyone who does it. Not only is it dangerous to leave cords lying around, unless you're in a home of your own and you're on your OWN to take advantage of a longer extension cord, I'd find the whole idea untidy. Better to have a machine which has a lot of cord if the product itself has one.
Miele know what they are doing - much to my annoyance. Their smallest cylinder S2 has a 5.5 metre length cord, the S6 features 6 metres and the S8 probably has 6 to 7 metres if you're lucky. They kept the long cord on the Quickstep/Alternative stick vac and their S7 uprights for owners needing more length. But then the UK don't have the Quickstep stick vac anymore so as a Miele buyer if you require a vacuum with a long cord, it has to be the S7 uprights. That's why I bought the SEBO D2 cylinder. I like the lighter weight of a hose, tubes and floor head to get around my large home; not constantly unplugging and plugging when cleaning other parts of the house. The 12 metre cable, large dust bag and longer hose ticks all the boxes. There is a Bosch cylinder vac (the BSGL5000) which has 10 metres of cable on offer but I had that machine before the SEBO and it was poorly made. Before I bought the Bosch, I bought Miele's extension hose attachment. It kind of works but then doesn't when it keeps wanting to retract back into its holder. It does extend reach but not by very much and it means more weight added to the hose and the back of the handle in normal use. I don't know about the U.S but in the U.K, when the first S2000 series cylinder/canisters appeared, the extension attachment was a standard accessory that came with it. Miele have now stopped this and released the usual base level S2's without telescopic height adjustable tubes and made to put up with the very short cord on offer. | ||
| Post# 218375 , Reply# 400 2/9/2013 at 19:05 (4,093 days old) by NYCWriter (New York City) | ||
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Honestly ... | ||
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Post# 218382 , Reply# 401 2/9/2013 at 20:54 (4,093 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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Whichever vacuum cleaner you choose, I recommend at least a 20-35 foot power cord. | ||
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Post# 220991 , Reply# 402 2/27/2013 at 12:39 (4,075 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter, Did you get your Aerus Electrolux vacuum yet? How is your Fantom Thunder holding up? My late grandparents had a Electrolux Model G in the 1960s. They passed it on to my parents in the 1970s. It died in the 1980s. | ||
| Post# 221019 , Reply# 403 2/27/2013 at 15:00 (4,075 days old) by cc (louisiana) | ||
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Aerus platinum my friend, the best of the best. | ||
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Post# 221021 , Reply# 404 2/27/2013 at 15:41 (4,075 days old) by KirbyUltimateG (Troy Ohio 45373 USA) |
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NYCWriter, Whichever Aerus Electrolux vacuum you buy, Make sure to buy the optional brushroll with green brushes and buy Perfect HEPA disposable bags. | ||
| Post# 258935 , Reply# 405 12/8/2013 at 12:28 (3,791 days old) by director12 () | ||
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NYCWriter, your best bet for a new vacuum is to get vacs made in America, Korea, or Japan. | ||
| Post# 258982 , Reply# 406 12/8/2013 at 16:22 (3,791 days old) by hooverkid (PA,USA) | ||
Simplicity/Riccar | ||
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