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Thread Number: 8919
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| Post# 98708 5/20/2010 at 19:46 (5,081 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
I was just reading your history of Electrolux and Kirby. Both are excellent. I was so pleased that you took the basic info I wrote back in 1981 and reworked it. You added facts I never knew and really punched it up. Great job buddy! As for the history of Kirby. You have the first two machines made by James B. Kirby as 'unnamed' here I can help. The first was indeed 1906, and called 'the Domestic Cyclone'. This machine used a pan of water instead of conventional dust bag to "trap the dust" a slogan that would be used in the 1930's by Rexair. In 1907 Jim Kirby decided to 'improve' this vacuum cleaner. He added an electric motor, and as he knew water and electricty don't mix, he went with the cloth bag instead of a water pan. This became the 'new and improved electric Domestic Cyclone'. As I go through all my paperwork I will gladly share with you all the things I have on Kirby. When it comes to vacuum cleaner history you have taken the things I gave you, and researched it with very carefully going into extreme detail. Thanks for all you did over the past years to get this club going. With deep respect, Alex Taber | ||
| Post# 98723 , Reply# 2 5/20/2010 at 22:06 (5,081 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Electrolux History
My dear Charles Richard: If you read the article I wrote in the Electrolux issue we did together (I believe Winter 94/95), a great deal of the basic information is my research and writing. If you also recall, I gave you full permission to use and rework this material. However, my research of the history of Electrolux was taken from my patent books and the publication "Electrolux the first 50 years" If you also recall, I loaned those to you along with my patent books on Kirby and Hoover when you first began as editor for the Vacuum Cleaner Collector's club when we met in Naperville. So please do not think that I'm asking for a byline here, what I offer is praise. You took a few pages of basic facts and added to them and have turned out a remarkable account of Electrolux history, You have said it far better than I ever could. Again I say, great job my friend. Alex | ||
| Post# 98729 , Reply# 4 5/20/2010 at 23:40 (5,081 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Easy there Charles Richard!
The last thing I want here is to do battle. When I read the article you wrote in the History of Electrolux I smiled, got all warm and fuzzy thinking of how hard we worked to do the Winter 94/95 newsletter. I recalled my original writing back in September of 81, long before there ever was a Vacuum Cleaner Collector's Club. when I wrote about Wenner-Gren on vacation in Vienna, I thought to myself that my beloved Maria Von Trapp would have been there at the same time. Since then I've done extensive research of Electrolux and had written at least two newsletters on the subject, including one around 89 on Electrolux canister machines. Likewise I wrote several articles on the history of Kirby, which I worked for at the time. Somehow we are getting or sending mixed signals. What was intended as praise and deep gratitude is being taken as a cry for recognition which I neither seek nor desire. I know that every writer takes source material from wherever he can. When it comes to vacuum cleaner research I'm constantly gathering facts. I never said or implied that you lifted anything. My historical information is there for anybody to use. I was merely telling you that you reworded several paragraphs and improved them. As for my writing, it's all published in our newsletters. The basic fact is that the introduction of Axel L. Wenner-Gren and how he founded his vacuum cleaner company was published in the Elextrolux issue that we did back in 94, which came from the afore mentioned material I wrote in 81. So please take this as it was intended, to praise and compliment you on a job well done. As always, your friend, Alex Taber | ||
| Post# 98755 , Reply# 6 5/21/2010 at 13:13 (5,080 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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Lets Agree to disagree!
I know what I wrote, I have it in various newsletters and there ARE entire blocks of dialogue that are mine! Again as I gave this to you I gave up all rights, but if you want to make a federal case out of this, I can share the document I wrote in the late 80's. Somehow a compliment has turned into a hissy fit, not my intention. All you had to say when I first sent this was Thank You. | ||
| Post# 98783 , Reply# 10 5/21/2010 at 19:08 (5,080 days old) by sireluxomatic () | ||
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Charles Richard: If it makes any difference whatsoever, I like having you around here and reading your posts and stories. I don't see anything you wrote in this thread that was inflammatory or offensive. Bob | ||
| Post# 98789 , Reply# 11 5/21/2010 at 19:57 (5,080 days old) by portable (Corvallis, OR) | ||
I fail to see a hissy-fit -
- you made it sound, Alex, like Charles used some of your stuff to craft his own histories. I happen to know that he spent YEARS researching the various Model XXX variations that were made. So...just my opinion - I think you may have misinterpreted what Charles said. You both are valuable historians of Kirby and Electrolux, and over the years, have each contributed unique and wonderful things to the vacuum collectors and enthusiasts of the world. JAL
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| Post# 98801 , Reply# 13 5/21/2010 at 23:12 (5,080 days old) by caligula (Wallingford, Connecticut) | ||
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All I wanted to do was praise a friend.
Charles was our first outside editor. I appointed him to do the newsletter because of his skill. I need to stress that he is one of the dearest people in my life. All I wanted to do was praise him for his wonderful history of Electrolux. What I was talking about was an article I wrote back in 89. I shared that with Charles, gave him full permission to use it, and he did. He turned a few notes into a work of art. There is no anger here, I was merely praising him on a job well done. Charles and I have far too strong a friendship for me to get upset. Alex Taber | ||
Post# 98819 , Reply# 15 5/22/2010 at 05:03 (5,080 days old) by arh1953  ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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I wish I had paid closer attention to that profile, he had a name, I have a feeling it was somebody who re registered, I remember a 1943 birth year, and a February 2010 date he joined, so this individual was age 67, from Shelby, Ohio, like the last remnant of hooveurroy's profile says. "Many detractors". That's their problem. I'm coming up on three years of continuous membership, I still give Charles~Richard credit for my having found this club, his site was the first one I came across. I hope I survive long enough to see more activity, preferrably positive, and less infighting. By the way, I don't think Alex and Charles are at each others throats, I didn't see any hissy fits either. 
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| Post# 98824 , Reply# 16 5/22/2010 at 07:53 (5,079 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
Blow up that Advertisement page, please!
"Lift No More, My Lady!" Oh! That's a Roll-Easy advert I've not seen before, Alan! It shows the third version with the concave barrel body, plain aluminum anodized wands and the new Double Action hard floor/carpet nozzle. The living room furniture & wallpaper decoration has changed from late 50's modern to a quasi-Colonial Americana coziness. Where did you find it - do you have the actual page or is it a web pic? Any chance there is a copyright or magazine publishing date on that? And most important, if you reduced the picture to post it could you re-post it at full size, or at least double, for printing and framing purposes? or email to me the full size scan? :-) And, in keeping with this thread, there is no better 'one-stop' research source equaled than Charles Richard's section on the Roll-Easys, or for that matter, the broad selection of vacuums he has chosen to feature. I have learned a great deal from these comprehensive overviews and it is from websites like his - and others' oral recollections - that interested folks are spurred to discover and add even more trivia tidbits to the general knowledge base. Alex too, has a bottomless wealth of information to share now that he has retrieved his Archives and I look forward to his sharing of it in the months and years ahead. Thank you both for your generosity and humour. And everyone else here who almost daily casually drops a pearly nugget that perks up my twingle. Such as the 1960s Roll-Easy ad that Alan has posted... Dave This is the front cover of the late and final iteration of the R-1. 
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Post# 98825 , Reply# 17 5/22/2010 at 08:07 (5,079 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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Dear Dave, | ||
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Post# 98826 , Reply# 18 5/22/2010 at 08:08 (5,079 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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HERE'S the link dammit! | ||
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Post# 98845 , Reply# 20 5/22/2010 at 13:51 (5,079 days old) by compactelectra (Palm Springs) |
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Love Those Red Glasses | ||
| Post# 98846 , Reply# 21 5/22/2010 at 14:11 (5,079 days old) by electrolux~137 () | ||
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Fred, you want this image for the POD? I saved the original 300dpi scan. I can email it to you. | ||
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Post# 98850 , Reply# 22 5/22/2010 at 14:36 (5,079 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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Thanks Charles~Richard | ||
| Post# 98866 , Reply# 23 5/22/2010 at 18:43 (5,079 days old) by aeoliandave (Stratford Ontario Canada) | ||
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The Forum at its best! What a thrill to come home from work to this. Thank you, Charles, and Alan for the link. I couldn't get to the printer fast enough. :-) But I did and printed both ads on 8.5 x 11 matte photo paper to frame and mount as side wings to my Roll-Easy Triplets and clover planter shelf display. The flicker page title for this ad says "The Saturday Evening Post" May 18, 1957. Does that seem correct for this 3rd version Roll-Easy? You say the Roll-Easy was produced into the mid-1960s, so I am curious if maybe it is not an early 1960s ad... I mean, this ad page I have - and have scanned - is 1955, also The Saturday Evening Post. Oh look, essentially the same Colonial furniture in a knotty pine setting. LOL Ok guys, get out there and rescue old Saturday Evening Posts... I'd really like the early Roll-easy ads in the modern furniture settings...as shown in Charles' Roll-Easy pages. I do not know that Roll-Easys were made and sold in Canada - I have yet to see or find one up here... Dave 
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Post# 98867 , Reply# 24 5/22/2010 at 19:13 (5,079 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida) |
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This is the third time I've tried to answer this | ||
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