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A major difference between US Mod 63 and the UK 638...
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Post# 90944   2/7/2010 at 13:48 (3,662 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        

Hey Guys

I was wondering if someone with a 63 could take and post a few pics of the height adjuster mechanism- the 638 only has a latch that you slide under the sprung rear wheels to get the "high" setting- see the pic of the base of mine below- its next to the switch mechanism ....


Post# 91019 , Reply# 1   2/8/2010 at 11:58 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
More than you wanted to know!

Here's my 63. Models 29, 62, 63, 64 and 634 are mechanically virtually identical. They have through-the-casting, toe-adjusted height range selectors. On the "Normal" setting the nozzle height is allowed to float through its entire range from lowest to highest. In the "High" setting, it is limited to a medium-to-high range.

Post# 91020 , Reply# 2   2/8/2010 at 12:00 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
More Pics

Close up of toe control

Post# 91021 , Reply# 3   2/8/2010 at 12:01 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

Workings of toe control

Post# 91022 , Reply# 4   2/8/2010 at 12:02 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        


Post# 91023 , Reply# 5   2/8/2010 at 12:04 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

Fan cover removed. I like the UK fan cover much more than the US version. The front section on the US version is riveted on except for those two visible screws . . WHY????!

Post# 91024 , Reply# 6   2/8/2010 at 12:06 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

Showing off! Visible from the top down:

305, 26, 27, 29, 60, 61, 62, 63

Post# 91025 , Reply# 7   2/8/2010 at 12:07 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
61 Details

Note handle release pedal.

Post# 91026 , Reply# 8   2/8/2010 at 12:08 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
61 Details

Note height range lever. It is like the UK 63.

Post# 91027 , Reply# 9   2/8/2010 at 12:09 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
60 Details

Note Absence of foot-controlled handle release.

Post# 91028 , Reply# 10   2/8/2010 at 12:10 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
60 Details

Handle release on handle! The one and only model with this feature.

Post# 91029 , Reply# 11   2/8/2010 at 12:13 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
60 Details

Note absence of height range selector. Like the model 27, the 60 was promoted as having fully automatic height adjustment. Obviously they found that it wasn't quite automatic enough without the range selectors installed on the 28 and the 61 and up.

Post# 91030 , Reply# 12   2/8/2010 at 12:27 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
I'm a crazy person!

Just about finished restoring a passle of 63s I've collected over the years. The only task remaining is a few hours in front of the television darning holes in the bags. The machine in the first few pics is my baby - the finishes are all original. The other three are refinished and color-matched. I don't quite know what I'll do with them yet!

I think I saw a thread about restoring hoods the other day. I've found that the ONLY way to remove deep gouges or even moderate scratches is to sand them away with an oscillating sander (like a Black and Decker Mouse). Start with fine grit and proceed to very fine grit. Then follow up with high speed buffing. This can be very tricky. Too much pressure or too firm a wheel or too coarse a compound and you will melt a hole in the hood. Too little and nothing will come of your efforts.

Another option is to sand as smooth as possible and then top coat with a clear coat enamel.

Lettering can be refreshed with a fine point brush and enamel paint.

Before you dive into this project, remember that it can take hours of tedious, dusty and dirty work and tragic mistakes can happen. But, this photo is proof that a good outcome is possible. Some of these hoods had very deep gouges. Sorry, no before pics.

Post# 91033 , Reply# 13   2/8/2010 at 13:34 (3,661 days old) by arh1953 ( River Park, in Port St. Lucie, Florida)        

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I like your 63s! I think that was was Elliot Gould was vacuuming with on "Law And Order".

Post# 91050 , Reply# 14   2/8/2010 at 15:33 (3,661 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
What a WONDERFUL selection

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I am amazed at the pictures you have shown here, I am quite jealous! And I thought Seamus' 638 was good. It appears that the arrangement on the US 61 height control was rather like our 638 - I am going to have to dig mine out and have a closer look.
Can you please explain how the handle release on the 60 worked? Jack Copp has always waxed lyrical (justifably) about the technical innovations of the earlier Hoovers, although I suspect that this perhaps might have been a step too far as it did not apparently last too long.
Another question if I may please. Can you tell us more about the machine denoted in your text as the 305 as I understood that to have a single pivot rather than fork handles - its the one which looks like a 150.
Finally any chane of some more pictures of the 26 please - we had them in abundance here as the 262, but I cannot recall seeing a picture of the 26 before
Many thanks

Post# 91051 , Reply# 15   2/8/2010 at 15:59 (3,661 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        

Hey Marty :)

Thanks SO much for doing that- it shows another couple of ways UK machines were the same in some respects but also very different in others from their US relatives.

I really cant figure out the US baseplate setup- it seems really odd and must make changing the belt more difficult than it needs to be.

On the subject of belts what do you use on yours?. You can still get the correct ones over here, indeed up until a year or so ago Hoover still produced them as genuine(HOOVER stamped in the belt etc). Although they still list "Genuine" ones the last couple of packs ive brought have been pattern/bojack ones in a Hoover pack :(. I know according to Hoover you can fit a Convertible belt to these(and the 91 type machines)but I would think that would be FAR to tight and possibly cause bearing failure- maybe a Sanitaire/Eureka belt would be a good subsitute?.

Anyhow im going on now- thanks again :)


Post# 91053 , Reply# 16   2/8/2010 at 16:15 (3,661 days old) by seamusuk (Dover Kent UK)        
Forgot to say....

Id agree with Al- your all original example appears to be MINT!- its original owner obviously took VERY good care of it(as you do to obviously lol).

The thread with the hood pics on is mine- I do actually own a Mouse but will have to think before taking the plunge lol- mind you what ive done so far has helped considerably tho :).

Cheers again :)

Post# 91055 , Reply# 17   2/8/2010 at 16:34 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

I'll show more pics of the 305, 26 et al as soon as I have a chance.

Yes, for now at least we can still get 044783AG Hoover belts for pre-convertibles and 91 series machines. They are available from supply houses like AVAC.

As an alternative I would think a slightly used and stretched Convertible 049258 belt would be an OK substitution.

I've tried Eureka round belts and find them to be waay to loose and begin to slip almost immediately.


Post# 91067 , Reply# 18   2/8/2010 at 19:36 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Hoover 60 Handle Release

Here's the schematic drawing from the 1958 Hoover service manual of the handle assembly for the Hoover 60. The handle mounted handle release and the rectangular profile handle were unique to the 60. The handle release lever works perfectly well. It consists of a small lever by the switch that actuates a simply designed metal bar or rod that disengages the release latch at the base of the handle socket. When disengaged the end of the bar is flush with the face of the electrical socket at the base of the handle. When actuated, it extends approximately 1/4" beyond the socket.

Post# 91078 , Reply# 19   2/8/2010 at 22:24 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Model 305

Shares the same basic design with the 27 and 28 except that the 305 does not have adjustible height and tool conversion requires removal of the bottom plate as with earlier models. It does have handsome style with red graphics on a black and gray bag and a black Bakelite hood with H O O V E R embossed along the top.

Post# 91080 , Reply# 20   2/8/2010 at 22:26 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

305 Undercarriage

Post# 91081 , Reply# 21   2/8/2010 at 22:28 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Hoover 150

Note the forked handle bale as opposed to the rear handle socket on the UK 160.

Post# 91082 , Reply# 22   2/8/2010 at 22:31 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
150 Undercarriage

Fabulously complex - Note independent chassis assembly and positive action automatic height adjustment.

Post# 91084 , Reply# 23   2/8/2010 at 22:36 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Hoover 25

Paint color and finish are not quite right. One of these days I'll get around to redoing it. This is the last model to use the forked, center-mount bale. The height adjuster assembly is a well designed and effective hybrid of screw-type adjuster and spring loaded floating "automatic." It is unique to this model.

Post# 91085 , Reply# 24   2/8/2010 at 22:37 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
25 Undercarriage

25 Undercarriage

Post# 91086 , Reply# 25   2/8/2010 at 22:39 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
25 Undercarriage

Rear details

Post# 91088 , Reply# 26   2/8/2010 at 22:41 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Hoover 26

Original finish on this one! The bag is a prototype handisac assembly NEW from the famous North Canton "vault."

Post# 91089 , Reply# 27   2/8/2010 at 22:42 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

26 Undercarriage

Post# 91090 , Reply# 28   2/8/2010 at 22:45 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

26 rear detail - Pretty much the same as the 25 without the screw-down height adjuster. Nicer wheels, though.

Post# 91091 , Reply# 29   2/8/2010 at 22:46 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

26 front detail

Post# 91092 , Reply# 30   2/8/2010 at 22:47 (3,661 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        

305 - 150 - 25 - 26

Post# 91101 , Reply# 31   2/9/2010 at 03:18 (3,661 days old) by vacbear58 (Sutton In Ashfield & London)        
"All I can say is WOW!"

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Thank you for taking the time to prepare and load the photos - your cleaners are in such WONDERFUL condition, you must have spent alot of time restoring them. And thank you also for the schematic of the 60 handle - there was a lot going on in there! Given that it was dropped I can only assume that it was to costly to build or that customer response was not positive enough to warrant its continuation.

More questions though. Was the 25 a successor to the 150, or a reduced cost version to run along side it. As you have stated we had the 160 with the 26 starting soon after, although there did not seem to be that much difference between them. We had both models up to 1949 when our 612 was introduced. Interesting that after the 150, the range seems to have gone along a rather simpler technoligical route with the 25 as the basis of the TOL versions rather than the 150

I do not have a 262 but it appears to me that the 26 has a much more pronounced ridge going along the hood......

Thanks again for making this such a rich thread, and thanks too to Seamus whose sharp eyes kicked teh whole thing off

Post# 91109 , Reply# 32   2/9/2010 at 08:57 (3,660 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
Glad you like!

Arguably more attractive, the 305 was the lowest priced machine in the late 1930s. The 25 was the mid-range model and the 150 the very tip-top of the line. Then the 26 replaced the 25 and the 60 replaced the 150.

After the war the 305 was dropped, the 26 was replaced with the 27 and the 61 replaced the 60. The 27 and virtually identical 28 combined the motor and styling of the 305 with the suspension and side-mount tool conversion of the other machines.

Post# 91112 , Reply# 33   2/9/2010 at 10:26 (3,660 days old) by ohio_tuec ()        

I love all of your machines Marty. You are a wizard at making them look showroom new! I love that prototype Handisac assembly on your 26. It's kind of odd that the 305 was the model in the low-price field. By 1939 the forked handle bale already gave the machine a kind of dated look IMHO. I was wondering if anyone knows where I can locate a rear wheel for a 305? I bought one off eBay not too long ago in pretty good condition (even the celluloid lens is intact - which I have NEVER seen on a 305!) but when the box arrived, the UPS driver must have slammed it down. It's probably the same wheel used on a 28, but I hate like hell to cannibalize another machine.

Post# 91113 , Reply# 34   2/9/2010 at 10:36 (3,660 days old) by marukap (Saint Louis, MO)        
305 Parts

Karl: I think I can help you. I'll send you a direct email.

Post# 91152 , Reply# 35   2/9/2010 at 23:42 (3,660 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        

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Just look at the way they were made.Simple to see how they would last forever! You have a true talent for restoration. If TTI could see and LEARN. Not to worry: "Boss" MUST be most pleased with YOU.

Post# 91190 , Reply# 36   2/10/2010 at 13:13 (3,659 days old) by gottahaveahoove (Pittston, Pennsylvania, 18640)        
Look at the "evolution"

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of them.From simple to complex. Amazing how some things remained. That's a lot of metal!!

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